NationStates Jolt Archive

Since the first edition has went on rather swimingly, lets do another one!

Sign ups for now won't have a set finish date, since we're only at the semis in the First edition. Sign up if you wish to send a womens team (even if you have women playing on your official side, send the U21s or up and commers or what have you). Also, if you are interested in hosting, feel free to bid on it. Chicanada will submit a bid to host, but would only host again this soon if no one else is interested in the opportunity.

Sign-Ups (39/??)
Chicanada
Hakari
Harlesburg
Milchama
Yafor 2
Fmjphoenix
Starblaydia
Sarzonia
Swilatia
Qazox
Jeruselem
The Lowland Clans
The Islands of Qutar
Apologetic Kittens
Virginia Nova
Spaam
Wentland
Aridda
Andossa Se Mitrin Vega
Dorian and Sonya
Athamasha
Kirstiriera
Iksonic (and I think I mispelt it, so I should check on this)
Rorysville
Algal States
New Montreal States
Anastasiania
Khenas
McPsychoville
Rordia
Sinnovialala land
Tecpatl
Kelse
Gwazzaria (?)
Llama Verde
New-Lexington
Mahaliastan
Sliponia
Sativaville

Hosting Bids (3)
Chicanada (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10919225&posted=1#post10919225)
Sarzonia
Swilatia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10832687&postcount=27)

Teams Protesting Cuz The Next Thing You Know, Women Will Want To Vote Or Not Have Babies (said in total jest ;))
Eonopolis

Proposed Ranking System (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10916961&postcount=77)

A women's team from Haraki will be in attendance once again this year. Despite limited media coverage for the first cup, the Haraki News Network hopes to gain contracts to broadcast all Harakian games at home for the viewing public.

Interest here.
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wow, that was fast, buy yeh Milchama will sign up again and promises to RP also

I am interested, and hope to RP this cup.

Eonopolis boycotts the games seeing as this will only promote and encourage the female gender.

Sincerely,
The Dear and Eternal Leader General Dante Spano

Maybe this time the Lady Vikings will actually be able to be RPed about (as in maybe i will e home more)

Count the Cherries in again.

Sarzonia wishes to send its team again, and also wishes to submit a hosting bid.

Swilatia enters and also starts a hosting bid. More info on the hosting bid will be posted later.

Qazox would love to send the Lady OXen once again to get beat by the hosts in the round of 16...lol

The Angels will be back ... hopefully with the new uniforms this time.

Signing up

Qutar's Women will try to at least get a point this time

Another team of Kittens will go. Well....Largely the same team most likely.

The Lady Eagles are in

Sign me up.

The Swiftettes are back.

All right, I'm definitely in this time. I may have a little bit more free time now, which means I may even be able to RP a little. ;)

Chicanada could you please update the signups regularily, not simply every week.

ASMV now has free time (the DI is over) and would like to send the Nyriads to play in the Women's WC II. Thanks.

As my Unicorns roster is already all female, I will admit that I found this to be a bit pointless at first. But after watching the fun and not being a part of it, I now know that I was wrong.

So now D&S would love to send the Faeries to WWCII. See all of you there.

Signing up for this.

The Lady Angels of Kirstiriera are entiring the Ladies World cup for the very first time...yet they are ready and able to shock a lot of people...

It has been decided the Harlesburg Womens Team shall forever be known as the 'Hells Angels'.Cherries was taken

Updated to Kirstiriera. And it's not like I'm updating weekly, I waited two whole days before the first update and less than one for this ^_^ cuz it looks weird to me to update with like 4 other states :-p

So normally I'll update the totals daily until it looks like its done. Those bidding should have them ready soon so that the nations competing can vote for the hosts ^_^

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8697/nswomens9jy.gif

Scorination:
will be done with NSfootysim (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/NSFootySim). Styles from -5.0 to +5.0 will be allowed. For the first time in NS sports history We will not require your teams style modifier to be an interger. however, there will be only one decimal place allowed, and the only exceptions to that will will be s.25 or s.75.
We will use This system (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10916961&postcount=77) for ranks, but we will only give LE 50 points to make it a little more even.

RP Bonus: The RP bonus will try to balance quality and quantity of RPs as evenly as possible. We will keep the mechanics secret, so that nobody devolps an exploit of it.

For example if someone posts a lot of RPs, but they are n00bish one with 3 or less lines, and a smiley, such as "My team won to the other team 3-1 we are now in the 3rd place yay!! :sniper: " its not going to look to good for them.

There will be no penalties for poor grammar, for a variety of reasons.

Qualification Stage: 50 nations allowed to sign up, excluding the hosts. the qualifications will be with five groups of 10, top 5 qualify. Host nation automatically qualifies.

Group Stage:
There will be 4 groups of 5 (top 3 proceed to knockout stage), and one group of 6 (top 4 proceed)

Knockout Stage:
After the group stage the will be a knockout stage set up like this:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8262/untitled28jx.gif

Stadiums: qualification and group stages will have home/away matches in the competing nations, however at the elimination rounds, swilatian stadiums will be used.

List of Swilatian stadia:
- Union Centre Stadium, Vilvek: used for round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals, and finals

-Swilatian Islands Coliseum, Serelian: used for round of 16, quarter - final, semi-finals, and third place match

-SwilaCom Centre, Nitsolna: used for round of 16, and quarter-finals

-Khights' Dome, Atlius: used for round of 16, and quarter-finals

- SBC Centre, Barsenulia: user for round of 16

- Erilias Stadium, Erilias: used for round of 16

- New Warsaw Warriors Stadium, New Warsaw: used for round of 16

-Korswane city football dome, Korswane: used for round of 16

I'll bump this.

Rorysville's Womens Squad will definitly partcipate in this

Working on a ranking strategy currently, hopefully will have a proposal ready by Friday.

other nations wishing to submit a host bid should post their host bid soon.

Algal States will sign up again.

other nations wishing to submit a host bid should post their host bid soon.

The Nation of Rorysville is Interseted in Hosting A Group for the Tournament what all do you need I can proivde Multiple Stadiums If need be

We'll sign up as well.

The Nation of Rorysville is Interseted in Hosting A Group for the Tournament what all do you need I can proivde Multiple Stadiums If need be
Not good enough. Also, you cannot bid because you have not bin in the last NSWWC.

Then maybe when asking for Host Team post some requirements cause I had no clue the rules as to that and not good enough excuse me on that but Rorysville happens to have a very large and proud sporting scene including Multiple Stadiums of Capacities of 100,000+. So as to not good enough I'm sorry if my intial bid wasn't but I didn't know what all you required Rorysville WIll be pulling it's womens squad out of this Tournament

Then maybe when asking for Host Team post some requirements cause I had no clue the rules as to that and not good enough excuse me on that but Rorysville happens to have a very large and proud sporting scene including Multiple Stadiums of Capacities of 100,000+. So as to not good enough I'm sorry if my intial bid wasn't but I didn't know what all you required Rorysville WIll be pulling it's womens squad out of this Tournament
you can still be in the cup. I was only talking about hosting.

Since chicanada never posted specific cup rules, I just assumed they are the same as in the world cup.

you can still be in the cup. I was only talking about hosting.

Since chicanada never posted specific cup rules, I just assumed they are the same as in the world cup.

Open mouth, remove foot (or should that be open ass, remove head?)

Rorysville: Hosting a Cup requires one to create groups, matchday schedules and generate and post scores regularly. Stadium information is useful for RPing, but there's behind-the-scenes work that makes hosting a challenge. For something as small as a Women's World Cup, hosting an individual group would be relatively pointless. Hope that helps, and stick your team back in :)

Not good enough. Also, you cannot bid because you have not bin in the last NSWWC.

Hmmm.....I hope that Rorysville will reconsider returning their squad to the WWC. I would hate to see them pull out due to one person's Ill-thought out opinion. Someone needs tact lessons. And is there anything official that states a new nation can't bid to host? I thought anyone could bid, the chances of winning with that bid would just be really low.

Hmmm.....I hope that Rorysville will reconsider returning their squad to the WWC. I would hate to see them pull out due to one person's Ill-thought out opinion. Someone needs tact lessons. And is there anything official that states a new nation can't bid to host? I thought anyone could bid, the chances of winning with that bid would just be really low.

I wish to completely concur with the nations of Starblaydia and ASMV on this matter. At no point would a bid from a new member nation to host not be considered, for bids should come from nations interested in hosting. Even if it is their first cup. Obviously, the womens cup follows the mens cup in basic rules and one would need a scorinator and create a draw that other nations will always (ok, so not always in some cases *eyes Swilita*) be able to help.

And I do hope that Rorysville does reconsider and send their womens team to compete in the tournament. And I know I would be willing to help get you ready to bid on this cup or the next.

Updated competing nations list to NMS and I really see no need to press nations interested in hosting the cup to have a formal bid ready until we have at least 30 teams signed up. So until then, those interested can still get ready. Rorysville, if you are interested still in hosting, please feel free to TG me on the main NS site and I'll gladly help.

I wish to completely concur with the nations of Starblaydia and ASMV on this matter. At no point would a bid from a new member nation to host not be considered, for bids should come from nations interested in hosting. Even if it is their first cup. Obviously, the womens cup follows the mens cup in basic rules and one would need a scorinator and create a draw that other nations will always (ok, so not always in some cases *eyes Swilita*) be able to help.

And I do hope that Rorysville does reconsider and send their womens team to compete in the tournament. And I know I would be willing to help get you ready to bid on this cup or the next.

Updated competing nations list to NMS and I really see no need to press nations interested in hosting the cup to have a formal bid ready until we have at least 30 teams signed up. So until then, those interested can still get ready. Rorysville, if you are interested still in hosting, please feel free to TG me on the main NS site and I'll gladly help.

Chicanada: This is not the first cup. we should not allow newcomers to host.

Chicanada: This is not the first cup. we should not allow newcomers to host.
Swilatia: Pull your head in. If they have been in the World Cup, then I cannot see why they can't be given a chance. They certainly have as much chance as you.

EDIT: In fact, Rorysville, if you are willing, I'd be honoured to put forward a combined bid with you.

We don't need to discourage Rorysville. Keen newcomers who want to do things is good! They also happen to be in my World Cup 28 group.

Well as to the Combined Hosting Bid I will bite the bullet on this issue I will gracefully bow out of Hosting one as to the fact I have no knowledge with Scorinators(I have one and it confuses the hell out of me) so on that note I think my main reason for Protest was to draw the Rules out for Noobs like me who Are enthusiastic about this Place and Tournaments like this. Now I may not be a Full noob as I have Competed in WC27 and now am in WC28 also in a Friendly Cup but still noobish when it comes to Scorination.


Spaam- Thank you for the offer but as I stated I would like to sit back and watch this If you want to Use my Stadiums and Do the Scorinantion I'm more than happy to allow them to be used.

Swilatia-Well What's the harm with a bid You can always take the bid and vote on it a Bid is just that a bid not an actuall acceptance of Host In fact I had expected te bid to be reviewed and Told after Consideration Rorysville's bid was voted down. all I was looking for was to Get my foot in the door for future NSWWC tournaments.I kinda took it as a:upyours: with the answer that was given.

Rorysville has lifted the Protest an is allowing it's Women to play in the NSWWC


(boy I sound like the Russians and USA in 1980)

IF no one else minds... Could i be the Offical WWC NSWiki person? Take a look at the Wikipage here--->http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Women%27s_World_Cup
If you want me to add any thing let me know ok? tnx.

(p.s. i noticed that only I have any mention of the WWC under my sports...hmmmm)

IF no one else minds... Could i be the Offical WWC NSWiki person? Take a look at the Wikipage here--->http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Women%27s_World_Cup
If you want me to add any thing let me know ok? tnx.

(p.s. i noticed that only I have any mention of the WWC under my sports...hmmmm)
There is no such thing as an official wiki person for anything. the wiki is meant tio be something that ANYONE CAN EDIT.

Anastasiania, fourth-place finishers at the last Cup, will be delighted to join in again. If it's not too late, that is.

There is no such thing as an official wiki person for anything. the wiki is meant tio be something that ANYONE CAN EDIT.

Will you please stop doing that?


If Qazox wants to take it upon himself to take the lead in writing up the WWC articles then, by all means, go for it. I took it upon myself to mercilessly edit the style and formating of his knockout stages section, which is what the wiki is for.

Anastasiania, fourth-place finishers at the last Cup, will be delighted to join in again. If it's not too late, that is.
its not, my hosting bid allows up to 50 nations, excluding me to join.

we will sign up.

There is no such thing as an official wiki person for anything. the wiki is meant tio be something that ANYONE CAN EDIT.

Geez. Anybody got a muzzle?

Will you please stop doing that?


If Qazox wants to take it upon himself to take the lead in writing up the WWC articles then, by all means, go for it. I took it upon myself to mercilessly edit the style and formating of his knockout stages section, which is what the wiki is for.
I am simply pointing out that it does not give im any special position on the wiki. are you just trying to attack every one of my posts??

We may not have done as well as we'd have liked in the last tournament, but we're perfectly willing to say 'Bring it back on'. The equally-psychotic fairer sex will be taking part.

Okay, we have 30 nations now, chicanada.

I am simply pointing out that it does not give im any special position on the wiki. are you just trying to attack every one of my posts??
We're attacking every post where you attack someone else. Stop it, now.

Jeeez If its that big of a deal then Swilatia you do it then. If you dont wanna then kindly STFU!!!

(sorry if this offends anyone but I don't need someone chewing me out for doing something like working on the NSWiki. Personally I dont care if any one changes what i wrote in there and what Star did was better that what i originally put in.)

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List updated to McP's. Sarzonia and I should have bids up (as well as anyone else) by Thursday at the latest.

And Swilita, calm the hell down. Qazox can run the wiki for us if they prefer and if Rorysville wants to bid even as a rookie nation they can. Oi.

And no, I don't have ranking yet, for I seriously have no idea how we should run them. Any suggestions?

We'll throw the hat in the ring again, and hopefully will be able to get RPs in before scores this time. :p

Green Wombat would like to join as well if it is not too late

Great the freaking Wombats are back.... Please dont put me with them... lol

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List updated to McP's. Sarzonia and I should have bids up (as well as anyone else) by Thursday at the latest.

And Swilatia, calm the hell down. Qazox can run the wiki for us if they prefer and if Rorysville wants to bid even as a rookie nation they can. Oi.

And no, I don't have ranking yet, for I seriously have no idea how we should run them. Any suggestions?
Theres no need for something as intricate as a KPB system right now. after all, we had no qualification stage in the previous cup, no cup of harmony or BOF equivalent.

Rordia's Rordettes are signing up for their first Womens World Cup.

:cool: Greetings and Salutations

As a newly developing Queendom, I wish to offer my beautiful lush landscape for your event. Please know that my people will gladly open their homes to visiting counsel members and athletes. We welcome you always and our offer to host the event is sincere. HOWEVER there are rules to abide by in the Queendom:

1. We have no drug laws - come as you are - do as you will, but be very aware that we do not tolerate crime - of any type. The Queendom is strictly monitored and any infraction of Sinnovialala land rules will be dealt with severely and could be punishable by death. There will be no jury of your peers and Sinnovialala land outlawed attorneys back in '01.

2. There is no wagering of any type. That means sports too, although, heh heh, perhaps a gaming enviornment could be arranged if that would suit the masses. Temporarily of course, and of course, profits, I mean, taxes would be incurred at our normal rate of 42%.

We welcome you and ask that you consider our offer - however, if not, we will gladly send a team of women athletes to join your games. Do you test for steroids???

By the presence of her majesty and the strength of our nation
Commissionor and Public Relations Supervisor of the Queendom

Sir Almango Algnonganon[/FONT]

If allowed, Tecpatl would like to join. Though we are relatively new, please don't be surprised for any confusion from us. We're not the most intelligent of nations!

If allowed, Tecpatl would like to join. Though we are relatively new, please don't be surprised for any confusion from us. We're not the most intelligent of nations!
of course your allowed.

(ooc: Just wondering when the 2nd WWC is gonna start?? and who is eligible to vote for hosts?)
(ic:) The Strange Hamlet of Qazox would like to suggest that for Rankings, the following might be used:

Champion recieve 35 points
runner-up 25 points
third place 20 points
4th place 15 points
Quarterfinalists 9-12 points each based on their overall record
Round of 16 teams from 1-8 points each based on their overall record
If you don't qualify for the round of 16 you get no points.
Points are added up for the last 4 cups (i.e. the 1st 4 cups a team Wins, makes quarters with 4th best record, DNQ and DNQ will have a total of 44 points)

The Lady Mariners of Kelse will like to participate for their 2nd WC. Hopefully, this time I can RP some...

Gwazzaria's new and premier women's rugby team, the Aumpqua Riveters, will be signing up.

Gwazzaria's new and premier women's rugby team, the Aumpqua Riveters, will be signing up.

Association Football players would help, though.

Association Football players would help, though.

(Oh, damn, did I really just misinterpret this entire thread as rugby? My, this is awkward.)

Would make for some interesting RPing though :D

The Sublime Nightshades of Llama Verde, having been incorporated only today, shall now fight for their positions amongst NS' most elite womens' soccer teams. Our captain, Marcella Hatswallow, has put together a team from the best of the Llama Verde Women's Soccer Regiments... to go forth and fight for our tiny nation's national pride! "No estamos aqui"!

**Bump**

Updated through Llama Verde

And Chicanada is pulling it's bid to host the Second Championships, rathering to back Sarzonia's bid. The Lady Kodiaks, however, are tempted to pull out should Swilita win hosting rights.

And i like Qazox's suggested points spread for the ranks. I think that's how we should do them. Suggestions>?

Maybe the point gap between the champions and, say, the quarter-final teams are too big. I say reduce the gap to something like this:

Champion recieve 35 points
runner-up 25 points
third place 20 points
4th place 15 points
Quarterfinalists 9-12 points each based on their overall record
Round of 16 teams from 1-8 points each based on their overall record
If you don't qualify for the round of 16 you get no points.
Points are added up for the last 4 cups (i.e. the 1st 4 cups a team Wins, makes quarters with 4th best record, DNQ and DNQ will have a total of 44 points)

MY IDEA:

Champion: 40 points.
Runner-up: 35 points.
Thrid Place: 30 Points.
4th Place: 28 points.
Quarterfinalists: 15-25 points based on overall record.
Round of 16 teams: 8-14 points based on overall record.
No points if no qualification and the rest is the same.

Something like that, anyway.

And what happens when we have to go to a qualifications system like the World Cup's?

Maybe the point gap between the champions and, say, the quarter-final teams are too big. I say reduce the gap to something like this:



MY IDEA:

Champion: 40 points.
Runner-up: 35 points.
Thrid Place: 30 Points.
4th Place: 28 points.
Quarterfinalists: 15-25 points based on overall record.
Round of 16 teams: 8-14 points based on overall record.
No points if no qualification and the rest is the same.

Something like that, anyway.

And what happens when we have to go to a qualifications system like the World Cup's?

THen you just adjust the points awards so that teams that qualify for the cup proper get points.

REVISED WWC POINTS SYSTEM
(based on Actual WWC 1's standings and thus is UNOFFICAL RANKINGS)
Liverpool England-60 points (champ)
Sarzonia- 45 points (2nd Place)
Chicanada- 40 points (3rd Place)
Anastasiania-35 points (4th Place)
Jeruselem- 30 points
Apologetic Kittens- 27 points
Yafor 2- 24 points
Swilatia- 21 points
Becquerelia- 18 points
New Montreal States- 16 points
Starblaydia- 14 points
Qazox- 12 points
Algal States- 10 points
Haraki- 8 points
McPsychoville- 6 points
Spruitland- 4 points
All WWC Qualifiers- 2 points each
All non-qualifiers- no points, (1 point is awarded if a team loses in a playoff)

So when is this one gonna start??? I needs my Women's team to get good before the olympics begin so i can win gold

So when is this one gonna start??? I needs my Women's team to get good before the olympics begin so i can win gold

Technically, it shouldn't be the same team playing, unless your World Cup women's squad is entirely made up of non-professionals. The Olympics (people often seem to forget) are for "amateurs" (non-professionals). Not that that prevented some from fielding professionals in the Ylompics...

Technically, it shouldn't be the same team playing, unless your World Cup women's squad is entirely made up of non-professionals. The Olympics (people often seem to forget) are for "amateurs" (non-professionals). Not that that prevented some from fielding professionals in the Ylompics...

Many, many things wrong with that statement.

The RL Olypmics - for the men, at least - obviously allow professionals in, but only 3 players can be over the age of 23, iirc. The Ylompics are also in no way connected to the Olympics save a vaguely-similar name, in fact Cas even said that he wasn't ICly enforcing any amateur/pro/overage type rules for the Ylompic football.

The RL Olypmics - for the men, at least - obviously allow professionals in


Hmmm... I've checked, and you're right (http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/index_uk.asp?SportCode=FB). Strange. I thought baseball was the only sport where professionals were allowed.

Still, Ariddia will probably continue to field only amateurs.


The Ylompics are also in no way connected to the Olympics save a vaguely-similar name, in fact Cas even said that he wasn't ICly enforcing any amateur/pro/overage type rules for the Ylompic football.

Yup, I know. I wasn't criticising those who fielded professionals in the Ylompics, precisely for that reason. But since it seems the restriction doesn't apply to the Olympics either, the point is moot...

REVISED WWC POINTS SYSTEM
(based on Actual WWC 1's standings and thus is UNOFFICAL RANKINGS)
Liverpool England-60 points (champ)
Sarzonia- 45 points (2nd Place)
Chicanada- 40 points (3rd Place)
Anastasiania-35 points (4th Place)
Jeruselem- 30 points
Apologetic Kittens- 27 points
Yafor 2- 24 points
Swilatia- 21 points
Becquerelia- 18 points
New Montreal States- 16 points
Starblaydia- 14 points
Qazox- 12 points
Algal States- 10 points
Haraki- 8 points
McPsychoville- 6 points
Spruitland- 4 points
All WWC Qualifiers- 2 points each
All non-qualifiers- no points, (1 point is awarded if a team loses in a playoff)

Unless there are complaints, I'm ok with this.

I did notice Sarzonia does have some RL stuff going on so more than likely not being able to host. I have decided to go back into the bid process so we can vote and maybe start this before the end of May.

Chicanada's Brand New World Cup 2 Hosting Bid
*brought to you by Canal TV*

Qualifying
As we sit at 38 teams, Chicanada will automatically qualify as hosts to the Finals. The other 37 teams will be shuffled into four qualifying pools - 3 groups of 9, one group of 10. The top four of each group will advance (16) along with the three teams with the best remaining record. The plan is for qualifying to only have one side (no return matches) so we can fit it in 9 days.

Finals Group Session
Chicanada and the 19 qualifiers will compete in four sets of five. Four games, top two advance to the Knockout stage.

Knockout stage
This World Cup will start directly with the quaterfinals:

A1 v B2
B1 v C2
C1 v D2
D1 v A2

And progress from there

Hosting Sites
The Third Place/Grand Finals will be held at the lavish (and finally repaired) New Governess Palace in Kinsington.

Other host sites *all host group action except NGP*:

Tigers Stadia, Hull
Mogada Arena (home of a quaterfinal and semifinal)
Shooters Arena, Livingston (home of a quaterfinal and semifinal)
Victoria Park Stadia, Halifax
Kalimund Canton Stadium, New Glasgow
Lions of Acadia Stadium, Genoa (home of a quaterfinal)
The Wine Cellar, Saint Croix
Sabradome, Saint George (home of a quaterfinal)

Scorinator
Chicanada will once again use NSFooty with that damn +/- 5 everyone wanted. Ranks will be based on the Qazox model and used for all future events (with points from WWC1 halving after this cup and halving again after WWC3 and then gone after WWC4)

Questions/Comments/Concerns
Post'em in thread ;)

Qualifying
As we sit at 35 teams, Chicanada will automatically qualify as hosts to the Finals. The other 34 teams will be paired up randomly for home-and-home sessions. The winners will join the Kodiaks in Chicanda (18 teams). The losing 17 will then play in two brackets to decide the final two qualifiers in a knockout format held at the New Governess Palace in Kinsington.

Finals Group Session
Chicanada, the 17 direct qualifiers and the two knockout qualifiers will compete in four sets of five. Four games, top two advance to the Knockout stage.

Um...does that mean there's first two qualifying matches, then a week's break for the qualified teams as the 17 teams play their required five knock-outs, and then the real tournament starts? I think that could quickly become very boring for the teams who automatically qualify.

Why not have group stage qualifiers instead? Too like the NSWC?

Um...does that mean there's first two qualifying matches, then a week's break for the qualified teams as the 17 teams play their required five knock-outs, and then the real tournament starts? I think that could quickly become very boring for the teams who automatically qualify.

Why not have group stage qualifiers instead? Too like the NSWC?
If you prefer WC style qualifications, thats what my bid has.

I've gotta say, giving the champions sixty points for winning seems a bit extreme; if those are the points being entered into the scorinators a Liv Eng/Psychos match would effectively equal the Psychos being hung, drawn, quarters, drawn and lobbed into a bucket of acid into the bargain. Correct if I'm wrong, of course.

EDIT: Hmmm... I've checked, and you're right (http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/index_uk.asp?SportCode=FB). Strange. I thought baseball was the only sport where professionals were allowed.

Still, Ariddia will probably continue to field only amateurs.

Among the others that obviously exist, ice hockey allows professional to compete. True, this is probably down to the amateurs being either a) already taken by the teams or b) not of sufficient quality, but the point stands.

Um...does that mean there's first two qualifying matches, then a week's break for the qualified teams as the 17 teams play their required five knock-outs, and then the real tournament starts?

Well, I was planning on having the knockout quals in 3 days after the home-and-homes, but I guess I can go a week ;)

I think that could quickly become very boring for the teams who automatically qualify.

Probably, but plenty of time to RP ;)

Why not have group stage qualifiers instead? Too like the NSWC?

With 34 teams? If we somehow got to 40, I'd consider it but this is to me the best way to do it with the number of qualifiers (20) for the finals my bid has.

Um...does that mean there's first two qualifying matches, then a week's break for the qualified teams as the 17 teams play their required five knock-outs, and then the real tournament starts?

Well, I was planning on having the knockout quals in 3 days after the home-and-homes, but I guess I can go a week ;)

I think that could quickly become very boring for the teams who automatically qualify.

Probably, but plenty of time to RP ;)

Why not have group stage qualifiers instead? Too like the NSWC?

With 34 teams? If we somehow got to 40, I'd consider it but this is to me the best way to do it with the number of qualifiers (20) for the finals my bid has.

It might be a little late but I'm going to voice my objections to the rankings system now.

It rewards teams to much for the performance in the first cup for example if LE's 60 points went against a new comer LE would almost be certain of victory. Actually against anybody LE would be certain of victory as he is at least 15 points clear from his nearest competitor. This means that it is very hard for the new guys to move up.

Another reason why it is hard is because they can only get points for qualifying for the actual cup. So if you don't qualify you're worth as much as the new guy who is coming in which means that it doesn't at least have slow progression like the KPBs have.

So then if this system is not good then what should the system be? The answer is that the ranks should be sequential for this cup. Go by the points rankings to get the actual sequential ranking that should be used until we can find a system that works like the KPBs. This way there is not that much disparity but the defending champ LE is not guaranteed another victory.

It might be a little late but I'm going to voice my objections to the rankings system now.

It rewards teams to much for the performance in the first cup for example if LE's 60 points went against a new comer LE would almost be certain of victory. Actually against anybody LE would be certain of victory as he is at least 15 points clear from his nearest competitor. This means that it is very hard for the new guys to move up.

Another reason why it is hard is because they can only get points for qualifying for the actual cup. So if you don't qualify you're worth as much as the new guy who is coming in which means that it doesn't at least have slow progression like the KPBs have.

So then if this system is not good then what should the system be? The answer is that the ranks should be sequential for this cup. Go by the points rankings to get the actual sequential ranking that should be used until we can find a system that works like the KPBs. This way there is not that much disparity but the defending champ LE is not guaranteed another victory.
I will lower his score to 50 for my bid. Since I have my own bid I can't do anything to get chacanada to change her bid.

Heck our mens soccer sucks so why not try womens?
We're in.

I will lower his score to 50 for my bid. Since I have my own bid I can't do anything to get chacanada to change her bid.

*checks anatomy* Still a guy ;)

And I do sorta agree with Milchama, but I also think the points should do what the KBP does and lessen over cups in order to make the recent results more relevant to the current cup cycle.

*Adds New-Lexington to list...preps to have to have qualifying proper*

It might be a little late but I'm going to voice my objections to the rankings system now.

It rewards teams to much for the performance in the first cup for example if LE's 60 points went against a new comer LE would almost be certain of victory. Actually against anybody LE would be certain of victory as he is at least 15 points clear from his nearest competitor. This means that it is very hard for the new guys to move up.

Another reason why it is hard is because they can only get points for qualifying for the actual cup. So if you don't qualify you're worth as much as the new guy who is coming in which means that it doesn't at least have slow progression like the KPBs have.

So then if this system is not good then what should the system be? The answer is that the ranks should be sequential for this cup. Go by the points rankings to get the actual sequential ranking that should be used until we can find a system that works like the KPBs. This way there is not that much disparity but the defending champ LE is not guaranteed another victory.

I kinda sorta cribbed somewhat from how FIFA originally did the Women's rankings If either potential host wants to change how the ranks are or what the points are they may. I did say they were UNOFFICAL. The NSWWCC (NationStates Women's World Cup Committee) if there is one (and I waould like to nominate myself as a member) should decide just how to rank them.

Here's an another possible ranking system on a scale form of 2.75 to 5.00 (would this be easier to input into scorinators???)

NEW UNOFFICAL RANKINGS
Liverpool England-5.00
Sarzonia- 4.75
Chicanada- 4.50
Anastasiania-4.25
Jeruselem- 4.10
Apologetic Kittens- 3.95
Yafor 2- 3.80
Swilatia- 3.65
Becquerelia- 3.50
New Montreal States- 3.45
Starblaydia- 3.40
Qazox- 3.35
Algal States- 3.30
Haraki- 3.25
McPsychoville- 3.20
Spruitland- 3.15
All WWC Qualifiers- 3 points each
All new teams/ non-qualifers- 2.75 points each
The semi-finalists are separated by .25 points each, the quarterfinals are separated by .15 points each, the teams in the Round of 16 are sapareated by .05 points each, the other teams who participated in the 1st cup all are .15 points behind those who advanced to the knockout stage. and all new teams are only .25 behind those who did qualify.
In each successive cup, the points you get are cut in half and only the last 3 Cups count towards your Rank. Therefore the Highest number of points any team can have is 8.75 points and the worst anyone can have is 4.8125 a difference of 3.9375 points. Therefore almost any team can qualify for the Cup one year, and have a decent shot at winning it.

In my complete and honest opinion, this is an ideal ranking system just proposed that I can actually stand behind and support. The other seemed too rigid allowing top teams to always finish nearly the same way.

I do hope that the people in charge give this latest ranking idea serious consideration. It is the best idea I have seen thus far.

And my wife agrees as well (D&S) lol

That's a thought, how comes I ended up lower than the other eliminations in the Round of 16. If I remember right, two games went to penalties (I think the other one involved Jerusalem), and so we should probably be ranked higher than those who lost in regulation time.

But I'm just nitpicking. The new system is far better than the original one, and I place my support firmly behind Qazox. For that matter, I propose we form the NSWWCC now, sooner rather than later.

How exactly does one form a WWC Committe? I assume that as founder of the first edition I'd be on it, but who else would be on it?

And yes, the smaller point value is super and workable.

For the World Cup Committee, I think it's anyone who participates in the latest World Cup (so 27, soon to be 28), and I imagine the same thing would be true here.

For the World Cup Committee, I think it's anyone who participates in the latest World Cup (so 27, soon to be 28), and I imagine the same thing would be true here.

To be on the World Cup Committee, of which I am President dontcha know, you need to have posted rosters in the last two World Cups. so if you want to be able to vote for WC29 hosts, you'll need rosters in WC27 and 28's threads.

As for this, whyyyy bother to create a parallel committee for a tournament not yet in its second iteration?

The Democratic Republic of Mahaliastan would love to send a women's team to compete in this event, which would be our first world event ever. For the first time in history, people from this dictatorship nation will be allowed to travel outside the country to compete in sporting events.

Sliponia, after taking a long hiatus from events outside of it's borders, would like to participate in 2nd WWC, if spots are still open.

That's a thought, how comes I ended up lower than the other eliminations in the Round of 16. If I remember right, two games went to penalties (I think the other one involved Jerusalem), and so we should probably be ranked higher than those who lost in regulation time.

But I'm just nitpicking. The new system is far better than the original one, and I place my support firmly behind Qazox. For that matter, I propose we form the NSWWCC now, sooner rather than later.

I just ranked teams by adding their Round of 16 loss to what their record was during group play. thats why it was a bit skewed towards teams in groups C-F and teams from A and B were lower. Hopefully, in the 2nd edition, there will be an equal number of teams in the groups so it will be easier to figure it out.

Updated to Sliponia

Chicanada's bid has been updated (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10919225#post10919225)

And so that we can FINALLY start this, I'd like to have voting started tommorow. I'd prefer if someone not myself, Sarzonia or Swilita collect the TGs for votes, so if anyone is interested please post. Voting would go through the weekend, with the last day being Monday morning. The cup would then hopefully start no later than next Friday.

I'll do it.

To be on the World Cup Committee, of which I am President dontcha know, you need to have posted rosters in the last two World Cups. so if you want to be able to vote for WC29 hosts, you'll need rosters in WC27 and 28's threads.

As for this, whyyyy bother to create a parallel committee for a tournament not yet in its second iteration?

Because it a Semi-Separate entity than the WCC. Just wondering how did the original WCC come about? Now if you'd like, as the World Cup president, to formally induct the Women's World Cup into the fold, then we'll do it your way. But until then, why not do it this way we've only got 30-35 teams to worry about not 200+. (I apologize in advance if this seems snarky or rude)

if it is not too late the nation of Sativaville would like to join the WWC2 if possible (NOTE this country is a puppet of Qazox and can be bumped so don't feel bad)

If no one objects, McPsychoville will be counting the votes of the three bids:

Chicanada
Sarzonia
Swilita

So please forward you vote for host to McP between now and Monday night at whatever time 8pm would be for them. They shall post the results later that evening.

Updated to Sativaville

And if the NSWCC would like to take over running the signups and hosting issues, I will more than gladly let Starblaydia take this over on WWC3.

If no one objects, McPsychoville will be counting the votes of the three bids:

Chicanada
Sarzonia
Swilita

So please forward you vote for host to McP between now and Monday night at whatever time 8pm would be for them. They shall post the results later that evening.

Updated to Sativaville

And if the NSWCC would like to take over running the signups and hosting issues, I will more than gladly let Starblaydia take this over on WWC3.
No, chiccanada. we should have an election to see who takes over. Also, I object to the entire concept of voting by TG.

Well, that's just stupid. How else would it be possible to have a fair vote?

No, chiccanada. we should have an election to see who takes over. Also, I object to the entire concept of voting by TG.

The only way to have a fair anynomous on NS is by TG. Or you could use mIRC but none of ya'll are on it so that doesn't matter.

Anyway we need a host vote and the votes will go to Mcpsychoville by TG and they will be done by Friday the 19th whether you like it or not.

Actually, the votes'll have to be in by either Thursday or Saturday, as my Sixth Form Ball (better known as Senior Prom to you Americans) is on the Friday.

Just for the Info. I added a link for the NSWWC ranks to the Cup page. I do have an explanation for it there. Just wondering if the "NEW and IMPROVED RANKINGS are better for the scorinators thatn my original idea?

Actually, the votes'll have to be in by either Thursday or Saturday, as my Sixth Form Ball (better known as Senior Prom to you Americans) is on the Friday.

Saturday (May 20) it is! By 4pm in McPsychovilleland, as to allow non-American states the ability to vote Iceland and Croatia as Eurovision winner (or Germany. or Romania. But not Belgium, Greece or Sweden, no matter how insane, yet awesome, yet fucking insane Carola really is).

AS FOR THE WCC ISSUE, technically in real world the FIFA General Council oversees the Womens Cup, so it would make sense for the NSWCC to do the same. Personally, since it's a hassle to probably run two and since TnUI ran the U21s all by their lonesome with no NSWCC interference I'd like a seperate council for the womens game.

AS FOR THE WCC ISSUE, technically in real world the FIFA General Council oversees the Womens Cup, so it would make sense for the NSWCC to do the same. Personally, since it's a hassle to probably run two and since TnUI ran the U21s all by their lonesome with no NSWCC interference I'd like a seperate council for the womens game.

I agree and Nominate Chicanada as the 1st president with Qazox as Vice-President or Booze Hound which ever job pays more $$... lol :p :D

I wish to second the nimination of Chicanada as the 1st President of the WWCC. I'll also second the nomination of Qazox as Booze Hound. It pays crap, but if you are faithful in those duties you wont care a bit :p

*coughSENDMETHEFREAKINGVOTEScough*

Damn, that's a nasty cough. Anyone got any cough medicine?

*coughSENDMETHEFREAKINGVOTEScough*

Damn, that's a nasty cough. Anyone got any cough medicine?


Give us links to the bids so that it will be easier to find, so that we can compare, then the votes will come.

so, who can vote and who cannot.

also, Its Swilatia, not Swilita

I think everyone signed up for this cup can vote. And I don't have links to the bids myself, but I'll try to find them.

Give us links to the bids so that it will be easier to find, so that we can compare, then the votes will come.

Two of the links are in the first post of the thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10817102&postcount=1

To make something perfectly clear, the hosts of the bids cannot vote for their own bids. I am yet to see where I said this would be the case, but that's another matter altogether.

I wish to second the nimination of Chicanada as the 1st President of the WWCC. I'll also second the nomination of Qazox as Booze Hound. It pays crap, but if you are faithful in those duties you wont care a bit :p

YeeeeeHah. Booze will be flowing at the next WWC!!!! (sorry but video cameras will not be allowed as the sight of drunken half naked soccer girls may cause blindness and hairy palms in 99.9% of males between the ages of 12 and 19)

If necessary, I could count the votes for the NSWCC presidency, unless we're going to be absorbed by the World Cup Comittee?

To make something perfectly clear, the hosts of the bids cannot vote for their own bids. I am yet to see where I said this would be the case, but that's another matter altogether.

Well, I assumed it was a given, but no the bidders cannot vote on their own.

No comments from the WCC as of now, since my query about it got overrun by requests for ranks. Eh.

And if the NSWCC would like to take over running the signups and hosting issues, I will more than gladly let Starblaydia take this over on WWC3.

As there's no link between the Women's Cup and the regular World Cup, I don't see much point in the WCC having a say in it. Your point about TnUI and the U21s makes sense to me.

A WWCC (oh dear god that's an annoying acronym) could ICly be within the WCC umbrella, if you like, but just not controlled by it.

As there's no link between the Women's Cup and the regular World Cup, I don't see much point in the WCC having a say in it. Your point about TnUI and the U21s makes sense to me.

A WWCC (oh dear god that's an annoying acronym) could ICly be within the WCC umbrella, if you like, but just not controlled by it.

WWCC is a tad off, so we'd have to fix that. Otherwise, I have no problem letting the Womens Cup Organizing Committee (WCOC?) and other things (Womens Cup Presidency or whatever) be under the WCC but allowed to hold contol over issues of hosts, sign-ups and ranks.

Once McP's unveiled the host on Saturday, we can start work on both the Cup and the full organization of the Womens Cup Selection Committee (WCSC is also aggravating)

An Organising Committee, a Selection Committee and a presidency?

Jeeeeeee-sus, dude, all you need is some kind of WWC Federation/Association for nations to be memebrs of and then (if you must) have them pick a chairman of sorts.

An Organising Committee, a Selection Committee and a presidency?

Jeeeeeee-sus, dude, all you need is some kind of WWC Federation/Association for nations to be memebrs of and then (if you must) have them pick a chairman of sorts.

If ya notice, the things thrown around were name proposals ;)

Votes on Host for the Second Womens Cup due to McP by Saturday afternoon. All those still wishing to participate need to sign up by Saturday as well.

just wondering....so my ranks (the 2nd ones I posted) are going to be the "offical' rankings or no?
if so... may what ever you believe in have mercy on your soul.

We've heard all about the 'hot girl on girl action' in the 'women's world cup' and the Monastic Football Association hereby announces its intention to never participate in this sinful orgy of female footballing lust.

But you probably knew that already ;)

We've heard all about the 'hot girl on girl action' in the 'women's world cup' and the Monastic Football Association hereby announces its intention to never participate in this sinful orgy of female footballing lust.

But you probably knew that already ;)

Hopefully the MFA would allow is sister nation of Holy Nunnery (there's an idea waiting to happen) to join in eventually.

*bump for no reason that to bump it up again*

Hopefully the MFA would allow is sister nation of Holy Nunnery (there's an idea waiting to happen) to join in eventually.

Hehe... Would they have long grey beards too? :p

Now all the votes have been taken in, I am pleased to announce that the host of the second Women's World Cup will be founders Chicanada, with five of the eleven votes.

Congrats to Chicanada for winning the host bid and when will the 2nd WWC start?

Firstly, thank you to those who voted...all eleven of you! And much thanks to McPsychoville for running the vote for us!

As hosts, the qualifiers will start on Wednesday evening with the draw going up tommorow. I have tweaked them for the 19 open slots to join Chicanada in the Group Finals:

The remaining 38 teams are being split into 6 groups, 4 groups of 6 and two groups of 7. Top 3 plus best performing 4th place (record based on #1-#6) make it to the Finals in Chicanada.

Official thread goes up tommow.

Hehe... Would they have long grey beards too? :p

well they are Nuns after all, their beards would be under their arms of course!

I would like to sighn up.

we pull out.

Added Benlandngdo, subtracted Swilatia, everything in the official thread.