NationStates Jolt Archive

In my vision of a country, the populace is loyal, happy, and ready to work, however the peoplw can never be as willing as this. That is why it is easier to strip away freedoms of choice and only promote certain ideas that will cater to the will of the leader. On the other hand, this corrupt form of government has serious problems. The people are more times than not treated as slaves, and forced to work in horrid conditions, or they will be left starving and homeless as their leader promises a better tommorrow. An authoritarian government can be good, if it is run right, and handled in a delicate way as not to upset the populace, or neighboring countries to a great degree.

The opponent to this form of government is the democratic forms, which include democracies, republics, constitutional monarchies, and things of that nature that promote freedom of choice, and the ability to rise in the social ladder. In this form the people are kept at an degree of hapiness, as they can learn, aquire different professions, and have their own say in things. Freedom to all, for a certain price. Democracies are more likely to lean towards a capitalist society, with everyone indulging in their own wants and desires, and overconsuming resources. As more people rise, more people fall into the pits of society, and cannot climb back up. The democratical forms lose ferventness, as hey let people do more as they wish, not keeping them focused on the big picture. As the people have a right to speak they can inhibit the descisions and authority of the leader, which they themselves chose.

I am at al loss at which governing style best benefits the growth of a nation and its well being, or if the policies of both can be combined (which they can).

A healthy balance of Socialism, democracy, and moderated capitalism is good for a nation, to keep the people happy, and to help the economy. facism is just a dark path which should be avoided.

With Socialism you nationalize key industries so that the private sector does not become some huge giant and you create a social safety net (healthcare) and fair treatment to the citizenry. Moderated capitalism allows for a private sector, though not a grossly huge one to help stimiulate the economy further, with the nationalized industries. And democracy goes without saying, you get elected officals, etc.

The best government should be slightly facist (emphasis on military, patriotism, and law and order). That way, people stay out of trouble, and you're safe from foreign threats. Don't try to control your economy so closely, though, because that leads to unemployment, inflation, and all sorts of bad things. Here's an interesting thought: some people try to provide for their citizens by increasing social welfare. However, if you ease up on businesses (e.i. lower taxes, let them get away with more), then unemployment will go down and your citizens will provide for themselves.

Remember: slightly facist in political freedoms and military; laizze-faire in business.

There should be a checks and balance system for the private sector, so that it doesn't become overly powerful. To prevent corporations like Enron and Wal-Mart from abusing their power.

In a truely capitalist society, if someone like Enron or Wal-mart comes along, then people can vote with their money. If people don't like those companies, then they don't have to buy from them. The Feds only need to intervene if businesses start doing really illegal stuff.

The problems are trusts and monopolies. Wal-Mart is basically a behemoth wich can't be dismantled by the feds. Too little federal involvement allows companies and coroprations to become monopolies. And too much would be stamping out the private sector all together, which is bad.

Well, I must admit that there is a point wherre monopolies can be bad. For example, when large companies start raising prices more than they should or producing crap just because there's no competition.

Just remember: this is capitalism. If someone blows that too the public and then starts his own company, both companies will be forced (by competition) to treat customers better.

Now, something interesting: Karl Marx predicted that this would happen, and then that all companies would go bankrupt. In real life, though, they never lower prices quite that much.

Wal-Mart does have cheap-as-crap merchandise. And it's hard for any resepctable comapny (big or small) to compete with those profoundly low prices. I think your right, despite all the woes, I don't think that they'll go bankrupt (except for small businesses). As long as there's a hick who needs an economy size pack of skoal, there will always be a Wal-Mart.

Actually, I don't really care if they go bankrupt or not. If you think about it, it's probably better that Wal-Mart (and McDonalds, and any other cheap franchise) stays in business. That way, low income families can afford to buy stuff. Middle- and upper-income families will tend to go to more quality-oriented stores. Middle- and upper-income oriented stores won't be crshed by Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart doesn't compete in those markets.

I'd like to see Wal-Mart broken up. Wether if it did would be good for the economy or not, I don't know. It's just something I'd like to see happen.

I get the feeling that it would be bad for the economy.

Probably, oh well...I'll have to find another corporation to take down then.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how far-reaching some big companies can be. Did you know that McDonalds makes almost no money off of food, but that they own millions of acres of land and millions of $s in investments.

Then where do they get their money? The Black Market? The slave trade? Selling of secret documents?

Ahh...well, we might never know.;) Supposedly they've had it for years, back from when they had more quality and higher prices.

Dammit! Those secrets are more classified than the Kennedy Assasination.

Dammit! Those secrets are more classified than the Kennedy Assasination.

yeah, lol:D

I bet McDonalds had JFK killed.

Did you know...

Just prior to his assasination, JFK was going to introduce a bill that would break up the McDonalds monopoly. A conncection was never "offically" found.

wow, that's kinda freaky

There's tons of conspiracy theories out there, that being one of them. They just don't talk about that conspiracy very much. The governments cracking down...What the hell!?..No, you can't take me! You'll never hide the truth forever!...

*Disappears into black van*

Now that the Feds picked you up, why should I hang around?:D

"No officer, I didn't have anything to do with him!"

Well, I've got to go. You know, whole "life outside of NS" thing. I hope that (the the first page, at least) helped Rudcruz sort out his problems.

As the Cell Phone issue says: "L8r," with an "8."

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

"I'll get my revenge on the bastard! If it's the last thing I ever do. The whole world will hear of this conspiracy!"

"Lights out!"

Modern Democracies only exists to give the rich and prosperous more money or power, such as Kennedy himself (Others were assassinated too. He was just the first Catholic president. Big deal.).

If a society can exist where the larger, essential companies (autos, utilities) are controlled by the state, then the income created by those industries goes directly to the state. Taxes=lower.

True Democracies can never work, so use a republic like system to vote for nameless, faceless candidates. Different parties at this point are nonexistent, as it corrupts the populace. Democrats vote Democrat, Republicans vote Republican; it just doesn't make sense. The good of the party is below that of the nation.

Fascism gives the people no voice, and corrupts the officials in power. Once they can be booted from their pedestal, they become more aware of the public.

:eek: That got really off topic, really fast:headbang: . I did get some useful information out of this entire discussion, and some petty good laughs over the entire JFK McDonalds conspiracy :D . Thanks to those that actually contributed to the argument of fascist states vs. democratic states and helped to solve my dilemma.

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A healthy balance of Socialism, democracy, and moderated capitalism is good for a nation, to keep the people happy, and to help the economy. facism is just a dark path which should be avoided.


Here here. In Kanami we have exactly that. Kanami is very heavy with Direct Democracy, Socialism, and Moderated Capitalism. While technically we would be classfied as a Represenative Democracy, we still do both with great influence. Everyone usually get's their say in how the country is ran, politcal parties or no political parties.


(Now you guys are slipping off topic which should be for General. Regarding the McDonalds Conspiracy theories, that is as dumb as beliving the Zoolander explination that the textile plants of the world are behind every major asassination)

Modern Democracies only exists to give the rich and prosperous more money or power, such as Kennedy himself (Others were assassinated too. He was just the first Catholic president. Big deal.).

If a society can exist where the larger, essential companies (autos, utilities) are controlled by the state, then the income created by those industries goes directly to the state. Taxes=lower.

True Democracies can never work, so use a republic like system to vote for nameless, faceless candidates. Different parties at this point are nonexistent, as it corrupts the populace. Democrats vote Democrat, Republicans vote Republican; it just doesn't make sense. The good of the party is below that of the nation.

Fascism gives the people no voice, and corrupts the officials in power. Once they can be booted from their pedestal, they become more aware of the public.


Democracy, if practiced correctly, does nothing of what you say. Why do democracies not work? If done right, they do. And they do well.

And the rich comment... that's over-capitalism you're thinking about.

And the rich comment... that's over-capitalism you're thinking about.

There's no such thing as "over-capitalism." Sure, in Capitalism, the rich might have a little bit of a head start, but the poor can still become rich and the rich can still become poor.

Too much (any) subsidized industry limits people's chances to become rich. In many cases, subsidized industry is so inefficient that rather than lowering taxes, it raises them.

The best government should be slightly facist (emphasis on military, patriotism, and law and order). That way, people stay out of trouble, and you're safe from foreign threats. Don't try to control your economy so closely, though, because that leads to unemployment, inflation, and all sorts of bad things. Here's an interesting thought: some people try to provide for their citizens by increasing social welfare. However, if you ease up on businesses (e.i. lower taxes, let them get away with more), then unemployment will go down and your citizens will provide for themselves.

Remember: slightly facist in political freedoms and military; laizze-faire in business.

Agreed.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how far-reaching some big companies can be. Did you know that McDonalds makes almost no money off of food, but that they own millions of acres of land and millions of $s in investments.

No disrespect, but that is not entirely true....

McDonalds is a franchise based business model and collects franchise fees from each McDonalds that operates. In addition, they sell their food (ie - the Mc'all-beef' patties, the McFries, the McCloggedArteries, etc) to franchise holders. So, the corporation itself makes a very high margin off of its food sales and franchise fees are almost pure profit.

Check out some financial information here.....

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/statemnt.asp?Symbol=MCD

The franchise holders have fairly high costs and don't make a huge margin off of their food sales. They make any actual profit during their two rushes a day - lunch and supper. During these two rushes, economies of scale allow them to drop the labour cost per item sold to an acceptable level. The rest of the time, McDonalds is a very expensive hobby....

So why are people lining up to buy a McDonalds franchise? Simple - they are in it for the capital gains. McDonalds franchises tend to show a consistent, long term growth in value......

I'm partial to a "mandate of heaven" monarchy with a part of socialism and almost no capitalism.

Agreed.

Yes. :p

I'm partial to a "mandate of heaven" monarchy with a part of socialism and almost no capitalism.

Well, if you can convince everyone that you're a god, then you can pull anything off. :D