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Schiavonia & Tadjikistan's World Cup 28 Hosting Bid

Schiavonia
22-03-2006, 19:48
Schiavonia & Tadjikistan
bid to host
WORLD CUP 28

Now, if some of this opening seems similar to some of you, that would be because it is exactly the same as the opening to the Schiavonia & Milchama bid to host Cup of Harmony 18`.

NUMBERS/FORMAT
Our bid does not include a specific number of participants, because the scorinator can easily be altered to amend for numbers. As long as it's reasonably simple to work with. Else we'll just hold up until another couple join in. Which doesn't usually take long.

One important this to note will be that while the qualifying draw will, as ever, be seeded, teams will be put into the groups in different, randomised orders. So that when 1v2 takes place, it could be between any of the teams in the group, and thus not all the games involving the top teams will take place on the same day.

SCORINATION
Our scorinator will be the Schiavone International Scorinator 2.1, a MS Excel spreadsheet which I have actually put some effort into this time*. It's dead simple to use*!

What makes the scorinator special is the formula used. It uses a more ratio-based formula, so that, for example a team with 20 KPB ranking points are twice as good as team with 10, and they, in turn, are twice as good as a team with 5.

Which is slightly different for the team with the higher rank than it is the lower rank...

A goal is scored if...

lower KPB total + 0.01
R > 0.9 +/- ( 0.08 - ( _______________________ ) * 0.08 )

higher KPB total + 0.01

where R = Random number, 0 < R < 1
+ is used for the team with less ranking points, - is used for more.

Basically, the formula takes how good teams are proportionally to each other, so that teams with 30 and 60 ranking points have roughly the same chances of beating each other as teams with 3 and 6 ranking points. However, it isn't exactly like this, as teams with no ranking points at all wouldn't fit into the equation, so everybody's rank increases by 0.01 points.

To account for any home advantages that may occur, the number produced from the formula that R must be greater than is reduced by a third of 1 - this number. So, say that a team scores if R > 0.88, but the team are at home. This then becomes R > 0.84, as a third of 1 - 0.88 = 0.04, and 0.88 - 0.04 = 0.84

Each team has 12 attacks (chances to score a goal using the formula).


RP BONUS
Our RP bonus will be a quantity bonus. But it won't be a plain quantity bonus. It will have limits (we're not telling you what they are), which you will basically reach the maximum for if you RP regularly, or even have to miss a couple of days and make up later. The only quality limit will be that no bonus will be given for anything that shows a complete lack of imagination, such as just writing out the table situation into sentences. We know the tables already, for chrissakes!

The bonus will be given in rankings points, with up to three to be gained. This means that those who need the boost more (those with less rankings points) get more, while those who don't need it as much still feel the effects, just not as much.


STYLE MODIFIERS
The SIS does allow for style modifiers if you so desire, from +2 to -2. They way they work is that they increase/decrease the probability of both teams scoring by the total of the two teams modifiers times ten percent. So say two teams of equal rank play each other, and both are ultra defensive -2, the sum of the modifiers would be -4, so for each team to score, instead of R having to be greater than 0.9 (as it would be with two teams of equal ranks put into the formula normaly), it would have to be more than 0.94.


Information about locations in Schiavonia and Tadjikistan to be used will be featured later. If anybody has any questions about the bid, please feel free to ask.^

` - which I think we ended up doing reasonably competently, barring the odd slight delay due to the awkward timing of when it happened for Mil.
* - compared with the Druidan scorinators of World Cups 20 and 24.
^ - scorinator specific questions should be directed Schiavonia's way. And before anyone asks, yes, we have tested it!
Lisburn Mateys
23-03-2006, 19:22
sounds quite good
Schiavonia
24-03-2006, 02:05
King Francesco Stadium, Kingsbury
Capacity - 63,000
http://www.tdv.at/photos/prater_sta/astadion2k.jpg

The King Francesco Stadium is the centre of the Schiavone sports scene. What with it being the national stadium and what have you. The KFS will host the Opening Ceremony, but not the final, as this will be held in Dushanbe, Tadjikistan. Still, it will be a proud moment if the orange and scarlet army get to start the World Cup party!
Would host: Opening ceremony, three group games, second round, semi-final, 3rd/4th place game.


The Throne, Kingsbury
Capacity - 58,000
http://www.soccerstadiums.homestead.com/files/portugual___porto_2.jpg

The Throne is the home of Kingsbury's top club side, Kingsbury Monarchs. It is also the biggest club stadium in Schiavonia. A stadium fit for a king. That is, if he didn't already have a better and bigger one...
Would host: Three group games, quarter-final.


Sedgefield Park, Sedgefield
Capacity - 56,990
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/SedgefieldPark.jpg

Sedgefield Park is the biggest stadium in Schiavonia's second city, Sedgefield, and is also the biggest outside Kingsbury. Hard to believe, but this place sterted off as a tiny little field amongst a bunch of houses. But the locals love the game and their team so much that they gave up their homes in return for appartments overlooking the pitch at the northern end of the ground.
Would host: Three group games, quarter-final.


Shamrock Park, Threlo
Capacity - 47,565
http://www.geocities.com/kilruanemacdonaghs/CROKEPARK_MODEL.jpg

Threlo is the centre of Schiavonia's not-that-big celtic community. Thus Shamrock Park is the centre of their community, what it being big enough to seat a vast proportion of them. But hey always come for the sport, and this is one of the best loved stadia in teh Forty-Six Islands.
Would host: Three group games, second round.


The Headland, Kingsbury Rock, Kingsbury
Capacity - 42,000
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cypris/images/Balades_photos/monaco/Monaco_4.jpg

While it is only Kingsbury's third biggest stadium, and that Kingsbury Rocks who play there play in the shadows of their local rivals, The Headland is one of the most spectacular locations for a stadium in the world. Kingsbury in one direction, Kingsbury Bay another, the blue oceans of FIFA in another, and finally the beautiful rolling countryside of Schiavonia the other. A beautiful location for a beautiful ground.
Would host: Three group games, second round.


Il Parabol, Unimo
Capacity - 41,322
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/IlParabol.jpg

The stadium is thus named because it originally only consisted of one of the curved end sections. However, this left players exposed to the wind, so they put a matching parabol at the other end. Only once they figured that stands down the sides, to make a complete ring, would completely keep the wind out, did this stadium finally become complete.
Would host: Two group games, second round.


Stonyshore, Welkay
Capacity - 37,780
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/DruidanStadia/SorrellimeFountain.jpg

Stonyshore is built upon the banks of the lake to the south of the town of Welkay. If it wasn't for the Headland, this would be the best-located stadium in the country. Still, the nearby hills would make a beautiful backdrop for any international sporting event.
Would host: Three group games.


Alfons Park, Heartellpool
Capacity - 32,331
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/Alfons.jpg

For some bizzare reason, this stadium is named after the King of Spruitland. Why the natives of Heartellpool gave their stadium this name, we don't quite know. They must just be really odd.
Would host: Two group games.


Herculean Stadium, Cartfield
Capacity - 29,500
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/DruidanStadia/ayresome.png

In all honesty, nobody in their right mind would call this place Herculean. But then, you have to scare the visitors somehow. If the name doesn't get you (and let's be honest, it probably wouldn't), the toilets will. Or maybe the quality gourmet menu of sludge and cardboard. The perfect pre-match meal!
Would host: Two group games
The Kazoo Peoples
24-03-2006, 05:07
The SIS does allow for style modifiers if you so desire, from +2 to -2. They way they work is that they increase/decrease the probability of both teams scoring by the total of the two teams modifiers times ten percent. So say two teams of equal rank play each other, and both are ultra defensive -2, the sum of the modifiers would be -4, so for each team to score, instead of R having to be greater than 0.9 (as it would be with two teams of equal ranks put into the formula normaly), it would have to be more than 0.94.

(Emphasis added)

Do you mean that it is one percent and not ten percent? Because, according to the example given, it appears that you've added one percent, not ten. Am I halleucinating? Thank you very much for your response.

Another thing:


The bonus will be given in full rankings points, with up to three to be gained.

A bunch of questions:
1. Is the RP Bonus cumulative, such as the one from WC27?
2. Is the ranking point bonus added directly to teams KPB Rankings?
2.a. Is this per RP? Is this to say that in two RPs, I can earn 3 points a piece, for a total of 6 points to add onto my third game?
2.b And by "full rankings points," I take it that RPs can earn 1, 2, or 3 points depending on your criteria?

Another thing: May I have a copy of the formula so I can run some numbers, and see the interface? If not, that's cool too, and my vote won't be affected by it.

Last thing, I promise:

What is your position on the size of groups? Are you leaning to groups of 6 or 7? Or more towards 8 or 9? While I understand that groups depend on the amount of entrants, which way whilst you be leaning? And of those groups, how many do you suspect to qualify? The top one of each group with two and three into playoffs? Top two? Top three?

Thank you for reading, and putting up with my mindless comments. Your reply is greatly appreciated.
Tadjikistan
24-03-2006, 16:45
Tadjik Stadia

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/maracana.jpg
Isserson Stadium(Dushanbe): Named after the famous Karim Isserson, first coach of the Tadjik national team. It is the biggest stadium in Tadjikistan with its 180,000 seats, if Tadjikistan hosts the World Cup, this is where the final would take place. SKA Pamir Dushanbe plays its home matches here.

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/monumentalbc1.jpg
Coldorra memorial stadium(Qorgontheppa):Built near the Vaksh river in Qorgontheppa, it has a capacity of 88,300 seats. Also home to Vaksh Qorgonthappa.

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/hrazdan1.jpg
Qayroqqum(Khujand): The only stadium that is not built in the middle of a city, Qayroqqum can accomodate 76,000 visitors, usually fans of FK Khujand

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/carlostartiere2.jpg
Aluminium Park(Tursunzade): efficiency and simplicity go hand in hand in this stadium. It is built in a city of industrials, where every cent is turned around twice before it is spent. Also the second biggest stadium in Tadjikistan with 122,000 seats.

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/shizuoka2.jpg
The Factory(Gissar): received this name because it was built in an industrial zone surrounded by factories. It is a modern stadium, recently built to replace the old one, 80,000 seats.

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/aquile2.jpg
Kolchak Park(Penjikent): proud as he is, President Kolchak aided his hometown into building this ultramodern stadium for its club, Penjikent. Should be finished at the beginning of the World Cup and ready to accomodate 76,000 visitors.

http://users.pandora.be/bdc/Tadj/paoathens3.jpg
The Fortress(Dushanbe): will be the home of two of Dushanbe's clubs and chosen to host games of World Cup 28. planned capacity; 65,000.
Nouvelle Angleterre
24-03-2006, 19:13
***FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE***

FANA is pleased to announce that, for the time being at least, it is firmly behind the Schiavonia and Tadjikistans bid for the host nations of World Cup 28. The bid is very detailed and well presnted. We believe that a World Cup hosted by Schiavonia and Tadjikistan would be the sporting spectacle that the competition deserves.

Yours In Peace

CARPE DIEM
Schiavonia
25-03-2006, 15:42
Do you mean that it is one percent and not ten percent? Because, according to the example given, it appears that you've added one percent, not ten. Am I halleucinating? Thank you very much for your response.

I can see what you mean from the example I have given. Probably wasn't the best figure I could have used.

What I mean is that the section the random number has to fall into for a goal to be scored changes by 10%. The example shown has the probability of scoring as 10% before the modifiers are added. For every +1/-1, this probability grows/shrinks by 10%. Thus, in the example I used in the opening post, it is 1% in total.

If I used another example, where the random number has to be greater than 0.8 before the modifer. The modifer would then add or subtract 0.02 (10% of the probability of a goal, which is 20%) to this for every plus or minus one involved.

A bunch of questions:
1. Is the RP Bonus cumulative, such as the one from WC27?
2. Is the ranking point bonus added directly to teams KPB Rankings?
2.a. Is this per RP? Is this to say that in two RPs, I can earn 3 points a piece, for a total of 6 points to add onto my third game?
2.b And by "full rankings points," I take it that RPs can earn 1, 2, or 3 points depending on your criteria?

The RP bonus is cumulative, but not in the same sense as the WC27 bonus. Basically, for every matchday, the number of characters used is entered into the scorinator. If this ends up being above a certain amount, then either one, two or three points are given for that day. At the same time, though, just in case someone can't make it online, RPs from the previous two matchdays will also count, but at a lesser rate.

The total of these ones, twos and threes are then added together and divided by the number of matchdays played so far. So if you start of RPing a lot, you will feel the effects of the bonus pretty much straight away, but if you don't carry on, it will fade away slowly.

Also worth noting is that there is a small bonus for rosters, too. I don't think I mentioned that earlier, but there is one. Nothing too big, though.

Another thing: May I have a copy of the formula so I can run some numbers, and see the interface? If not, that's cool too, and my vote won't be affected by it.

No problem. Just TG me your email, and I'll send you a copy*. (Specify if you'd prefer it as an OpenOffice document. Or else you'll get the Excel version.)

Same goes for anyone else who'd leke to see how it works.


Last thing, I promise:

What is your position on the size of groups? Are you leaning to groups of 6 or 7? Or more towards 8 or 9? While I understand that groups depend on the amount of entrants, which way whilst you be leaning? And of those groups, how many do you suspect to qualify? The top one of each group with two and three into playoffs? Top two? Top three?

Thank you for reading, and putting up with my mindless comments. Your reply is greatly appreciated.

Our prefered group size would be 8, as it gives the best balance between the probability of shock results and the effect that they have on the table.

I did write a bit in the discussion thread about this. Which you will find here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10623738&postcount=4679).

I hope this has not confused anyone even more (I think it would confuse me more). If not, please feel free to ask.

* - note that the RP bonus on the copy is slightly different to the one specified here, but will be modified in plenty of time for if this bid is successful. Probably this Monday. Any requests for the scorinator will be sent after this modification has taken place.
The Kazoo Peoples
25-03-2006, 18:36
Thank you very much for your responses, which were more than adequate. Upon futher reflection, I don't really need the scorinator, as you have provided the formula and the ways you will complile it.

Thanks anyways!