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Straightforward....mind giving me a hypothetical scenario of a bill becoming a law?

New Aushan lawmaking:

(First off, a bill can come from a widely supporting group of New Aushan citizens, but must be passed into parliment through the BAC (Bill Acceptance Comitee, however, if the provincial governor supports the bill, the BAC is overidden. Or it can come from the governor himself, or the Peoples Parliment, or the Chancellor and Prime Minister, keep in mind, these are proposals for laws.)

103,000 New Aushan citizens have petitoned a bill for anti smoking laws in New Ausha. BAC is notified, and with the required unanimous agreement, the bill is accepted into the Peoples Parliment.

Here, 50% of the vote of the 495 delegates (15 from each province, 33 provinces) The bill passes with much support (66% Aye, 34% Nay) Passes into the State Parliment.

Here the 132 senators debate this bill. (4 from each province, appointed by governing party.) Bill passes. 70% support required, passes with 72%. Now onto the corresponding Ministry.

This, (in this instance) would be the Ministry of Health. If denied, the Minister can send this back. In that situation, the State Parliment and Peoples Parliment would from into the national assembly, and the bill would need 65% general support. This happens, and the bill passes. However, if the Prime Minister is overturned with 85% national assembly support, he can turn it over to the CCA (Conservative-Chrisitan Alliance) the governing party of state. If unanimously agreed, the bill is sent back to the national Assembly, and must now pass with 95%. All in all, the national assembly holds the states power.

Now the bill has passed. The Prime Minister/CCA may decide whether the new law is provincial (Only affects provinces that accept) or mandatory (immedietly forced into action, into all provinces.) Lets say the bill was declared "provincial". 30 provincial governors accepted and 3 declined. The 3 that declined now have thier PRC (Provincial Review Comitee) Examine the law, and overide the governor (With at least 6/12 comitee member support) or fail to overturn. If overturned, the Governor is overidden.

The last step is the governors appeal power. The governor may appeal to the CCA to overide the PRC. The CCA has final word in the matter.

And that's how a bill becomes a law in New Ausha. Questions? Comments? Fell free to post your own system.



The Ministry of health is under the jurisdiction of the Interior ministry. it can be accepted or denied, in which the national assembly needs to pass with 75% support. BIll passes, onto corresponding head of state.

Chancellor is foreign affairs and millitary while prime minister is internal. Prime Minister reviews this. If he veto's the national assembly must pass again with 85% support.

Any law begins as a petition from either a citizen of the HRMS, from a Senator of one of the 53 Shires that comprise the Repulic's Senate, or finally by onw of the Ministers of the Holy Cabinet. There is no required number of signatures for the petition but then umber of signatures on the petition ups in placement for debate in the Senate.

The Senate elects an Orderer each session who detemrines in what order the Senate will debate a petition. If a petition does not reach the Senate for debate within a month's time it is scrapped. If it does reach the Senate then it is debated untill all members are satisified that everything has been covered or made any amendments to the petition.

A simple majority is required to send the ratified petition to the High Potetentate for his review and signature. The High Potentate then consults the Holy Squerrels and meditates on thier advice. He then adds his signature making the Petition a law if he favors it and the Squerrels have not given thier disapproval. If the High Potentate disaproves of the petition but the Squerrals either aprove or are neutral on the subject then he may vetoe it. This may be overriden by a 2/3 vote in the Senate. If the Squerrels give thier disapproval then the High Potentate vetoes the measure and adds the seal of the Mechanized Squerrels in which case the veto may not be overriden.

That is how laws are achieved in HRMS

Laws in Sarzonia begin in either House of Parliament with a Delegate or Senator proposing a bill that must have a co-sponsor. Once it has a co-sponsor, it generally must receive a favourable report from the appropriate committee (such as the House Foreign Affairs Committee for any alliances) before advancing to the floor.

A bill can be forced onto the floor in spite of an unfavourable report if a majority of members present signs a petition to force the bill onto the floor. Once a bill is on the floor, either the House Speaker or the Senate President Pro Tempore can do one of any number of things: If the Speaker or President Pro Tem disapprove of the bill, they can table it either temporarily (in the event there's a provision they don't like) or permanently (if the bill is fundamentally against what they want), but a two-thirds vote to compel debate or a four-fifths vote to force a vote on legislation can override the Speaker/President Pro Tem.

Once a bill clears both houses by majority vote of those present, it goes to the President for his signature. If the President vetoes the legislation, a two thirds majority in both houses is required to override the veto. Unlike the U.S.'s "pocket veto" system, Sarzonia's system of pocket vetoes includes bills that aren't signed within 10 days even if Parliament is in session. If the President doesn't sign it, it's considered vetoed.

Unlike the U.S., the President can propose legislation in Parliament. Also unlike the U.S., the President can veto a declaration of war by Parliament, though if the President asks for a declaration of war, this usually doesn't happen.

There is a proposed Article XXI to the Sarzonian constitution that is going through the states that, if ratified, would provide for a people's veto of legislation that passes Parliament in a particular legislative session. According to the proposed Article, if ten percent of the population signs the petition, an election takes place in October. If the people vote in favour of repeal, the legislation is repealed. Four states have ratified it thus far. If 15 more states ratify it, it's part of the Constitution.

Introduction by Democracy

Any citizen can propose a bill and have it publicly submitted for debate, whereupon it is accessible to all citizens. At this stage, of course, the advertisement of such a perspective law, a ‘blue paper’ as they’re called, rests on the individual or group responsible for it. The vast majority of such laws are of course, quickly forgotten. Those that gain sufficient credit may be rewritten and merged with other, similar proposals, in the form of ‘green papers,’ which are then generally examined by civil servants before being turned into professionally co-authored and line edited ‘white papers.’ These are voted on by referendum and then may become law after re-editing into an appropriate format. They are normally subject to scrutiny by a triad of senators, and some are quickly repealed by…

Introduction by Republic

The process by which the Senatorial Permanent Committee of Legislation and Management recommends laws for the larger senate to pass into the body of law. Lesser committees and even individual senators (Private Members Bills) are also capable of this, though this process is typically less prestigious and given less debate time.

Introduction by Diktat

Though this is an option that has been used only half a dozen times, it is possible for the Elenaran to unilaterally pass decree laws, bypassing slower methods of legislation entirely. It is possible for these to be repealed by either other form of legislation. Normally taking the recommendations of an existing white paper and turning them into law is the method used for this. Lesser rapid-legislative powers are possessed by the Senatorial Legislation and Management committee and its leaders, though these have never been used.

OOC: I like Sarzonia's method.

Petition/Bill/Etc... can be introduced by anyone, granted it has at least 10,000 reccommendation/signatures from each part of the country.

Then, a 2/3 majority majority parliament, ratified by a simple majority of the people via voting, and voila, bill is law.

Sounds cumbersome...it is. We don't want volumes and volumes on laws that don't matter. We let common sense govern most affairs.

There are generally three types of bill in the United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland: public bills (brought forward by government), private member bills (brought forward by individual parliamentarians), and referenda.

First, money bills, which are by nature public bills, may only be initiated in the Lower House. Otherwise, most bills may be initiated in either House. The Upper House may only reject a money bill, not amend it.

Public bills are drafted by the respective government agency (ministry, department, etc.) and are presented to the Council of State to determine its preliminary constitutionality, the clarity of its wording, and whether it conflicts with or duplicates existing statutes, in which case the measure may be retracted, redrafted, or amended to repeal the existing measures upon the introduction of the new measure. Following the bill's inspection by the Council of State, it is tabled before the government member's respective House, or the House of Assembly should the member not be a parliamentarian. Once before that House, the bill undergoes its first reading and is then passed on to the committee and report stage, overseen by the standing committee responsible for that particular policy scope, or a committee established for the sole purpose of examining that bill should the measure not fall within the purview of an existing committee.

If the measure has successfully exited the committee and report stage, the chair of the committee presents his report to the House and the bill is read once more by the Speaker. This time, debate on the articles of the bill, as well as the purpose of the bill, begins and amendments may be proposed.

Should the measure successfully pass this second reading, it proceeds to its third reading wherein final voting on each provision of the bill is voted upon by the House. If the measure passes in its entirety, it goes to the other House, whereby it follows the same procedure.

For most measures to pass through the Houses, a majority of the members, providing there is a quorum, is required.

If the measure passes both Houses, the measure is delivered to the king (or queen) by the Clerk of Parliament who then may either refuse to enact the measure (veto), may refuse to accept certain provisions within the document (line item veto), or may accept the bill as is and grant royal assent by stating "The King (or Queen) wills it." The monarch may also present the bill to the Supreme Court to verify its constitutionality or even its legality. The monarch then countersigns the bill, which has previously been countersigned by the minister or ministers responsible for tabling the bill and the speakers of both Houses.

Private member bills follow much the same procedure but do not go before the Council of State first. Such measures must be seconded by at least two fellow House members before the bill receives its first reading.

There are time limitations for inspection of the bills by either House as well as by the monarch, dependent on whether Parliament is in session or the monarch and his/her Lords (or Ladies) Commissioners are indisposed.

The monarch may propose legislative measures to the Houses of Parliament in a Royal Audience, such as requesting Parliament to go to war, but such a request must undergo the same process as other bills.

Referenda also follow a similar process, although typically they must be requested by the monarch, but after the measure has been passed by both Houses, it goes before the Council of State to be worded in a precise and clear manner to be presented to the people. Should the majority of people agree with the proposal, it is passed to the monarch, who again may request the Supreme Court verify the measure's constitutionality or general legality. Should the measure pass scrutiny, the monarch will adopt it.

A law in Oliverry passes this way:

The government/Any party/any citizen can propose a bill. It can be proposed to the Assemblée Nationale(The lower house) or the Sénat(the higher house). Any law requires more yes than no's in that house. After, it goes to the other house for acceptation as well. Once it got accepted, there are 2 choices: The bill goes to the president if the latest house was the Sénat or it goes to the Sénat if it was at the Assemblée Nationale. This is done under the principle that only the Sénat is supposed to have contact with the President. So, if it was in the Assemblée Nationale, it goes to the Sénat where it gets voted again, but everyone votes yes as it already got accepted. So, after, it goes to the President who can accept the bill or veto it. If he vetoes, the Assemblée Nationale can oppose the veto by a vote where 2/3 of the voting people need to vote yes. If it got accepted, the president has to accept it or else he will get fired automatically because of his "non-democratic behaviour". The only exception is the money bills that, once they got voted by the Assemblée Nationale, they get official as, under the Westminster principles, only the lower house can vote money bills.

In Qazox, laws are proposed in 2 ways, 1st way the House of Commons, in which all 300 members are working class citizens (they cannot make more than 6,000 qaz a year [1 qaz= $5 US]), proposes a bill and they vote on it. it must pass 160-140 or greater. it then goes to the senate which is comprised of 51 people (so there can't be a tie). the senate is comprised of 17 clergy (nominated by the Holy Oxen our religous leader, the governors of the 17 regions, and 17 people directly voted on by the 17 regions. in the senate the bill must pass by a vote of 27-24 or greater. if a bill does pass both houses it then goes to the president who must sign it or veto it with in 10 days. if the president vetoes it it goes back to a joint sessoin of both houses and if it passes with a vote of 187-164 or greater then it will become law.

the second way a bill can become law is if at least 2,000 people in each region sign a petition. the petition will then be voted upon by the people in a national referandum to take place within 45 days of being confirmed. if the petition recieve a majority of votes it becomes law.

All laws can be made null and void by petition and a national vote.

Some of these seem strikingly familiar to the U.S's system of congressional vote...

Oh and guys, comment on eachother. The Naiman seems to have a sensible system, in my opinion.

Most bills are introduced by members of the Government, all of whom hold seats in the Imperial Senate. However, any of the one hundred Senators may introduce a bill. Bills may be moved to an immediate vote if the Senate agrees by unanimous consent to form a committee of the whole and report the bill to an immediate vote; otherwise, a bill is referred to an appropriate committee for consideration. Upon a favourable report of the committee, the bill is taken up by the Senate.

All bills passed by the Senate require the assent of the Emperor. If the Emperor grants his assent, the bill becomes law.

The Emperor, however, may withhold his assent and return it to the Senate. If passed again by a two-thirds majority the bill is sent a second time for the Imperial assent. The Emperor may withhold his assent a second time. However, if on the third vote the bill is passed by one vote over two-thirds, then the bill becomes law over the Emperor's objection.

When the Senate stands in recess, the Emperor may issue Edicts and Proclamations with the force of law.

...law? :confused:

OOC: !WARNING! the following text may contain a rant about a slightly off-topic subject

In the Dominion's current state there is no real need to create a new law, as every compound-worker is satisfied...or else...

Bus should a new law be required, all that is needed is the will of any or all of the offices of Emperor, Foreign Affairs Officer, or Mr. Grey, which is indeed a position rather than a name, although everyone in that position must take said name.

In the case of a Mr. Grey or Foreign Affairs Officer passing a law, it would also require a 75% majority support from the Peoples or High council, depending on whether or not the country was below a DEFCON of 2 at the time of vote. In reality, the People's and High Council are one and the same, although they are re-named in a high-stress international situation, and are given express powers to re-deploy and issue orders for combat troops, a power usualy held only by the Emperor.

The People's and High council is made us of 2,225 Senators if the Noble caste, with one coming from each Compound. Because this very high number of legistative officers in the Councils may sometimes slow things down, these 2,225 Senators are broken into 445 groups of 5 Senators to each group. These five men usualy select one man to represent all of them in the council meetings, to speed up the governing processes, although there are always 2,225 open seats in the Council Hall, should every man choose to attend a certian meeting.

The bill, after receiving the necessary support, is turned into a law, and transcripted into all the legal program of every Compound across the Dominion.

The Supreme Comrade Generalissmo (Currently Masakaze Sawatsky) writes up the Bill, the Emperor (Currently Emperor Masakaze Sawatsky) Approves the Bill, The Supreme Council Vote express their opinion on the Bill and Changes they recommend, of course it can all be ignored if the Supreme Comrade Generalissmo or the Emperor Wishes to. Once the Supreme Council is notified the Bill is passed, then it is broadcast on the New Nicksyllvanian National News Network the next Sunday Morning on TV, Newspapers, and on Public Loudspeakers.

The Parliament can recommend bills that should be passed, but have no other power other then writing an unfirendly letter to the Supreme Council.

Protesters are dealt with the by the Imperial Guard, the NNAF, and the NISPCOMM Special Police Force

A bill is introduced to Parliament. It gets basically amended until the three main factions in the Parliament (Catholics, Jews and Sunni Moslems) are happy with it. By Royal approval, any bill can be killed off at any stage.

The amended bill gets passed to the current ruler of Jeruselem, Queen Mariah I of Jeruselem at the moment. She can choose whether to rubber stamp or just ignore the bill. Bills which aren't approved by the Queen, are sent back to Parliament to be amended again.

Only government ministers, member of Parliament and the Queen herself can submit bills. Religious clergy cannot submit a bill themselves, but are permitted to use local their parliamentarians to this on their behalf.

The current ruler of Jeruselem never writes her own bills - that gets passed onto ministers by default. Most bills are written by parliamentarians.

Not all laws are produced from this system. The current ruler of Jeruselem can invole medieval feudal laws to create new laws without any involvement of the Parliament. Historically, Queen Mariah I of Jeruselem and her father King Cyrus I of Jeruselem haven't abused these privileges.

In the absense of the ruler of Jeruselem, the Grand Chancellor can approve bills to be passed into law if the ruler of Jeruselem has explicity allowed this.

Bills cannot
(1) Alter or modify the medieval or feudal privileges of the Royal family
(2) Override the the medieval or feudal privileges of the Royal family
(3) Affect the operation of the "Trinity" system which Catholics, Jews and Sunni Moslems use to control the state

In Pythogria, the Supreme General may pass laws, but is advised by a council, and CASI, a computer. In my other nation (Evilgis), the "governor" is controlled by The Shadow Governor. Codename: M4.

In Big Long Now, bills which are slated to become law must be ultimately approved by the President.

The structure is as follows:

Bill -> Representative Congress [45% approval to pass onto National Congress] -> National Congress [60% approval to pass onto Constitutional Congress] -> Constitutional Congress [6/10 judges must approve bill for constitutionality in order for the bill to be passed to the President; the bill can be sent back to the National Congress for revision] -> President [President can reject the bill, but the National Congress can vote for an override, which requires 80% approval]