NationStates Jolt Archive

Hey, you tired of not getting your say in the World, perhaps you we're once a member of the United Nations but didn't like it's "no soveirgnty policey" perhaps you have been shunned. Perhaps you want to write what you think is important for a certain issue. Well whether or not, I have a proposition for all. Our very own League of Nations (some will know it's the U.N. Prodacesecor) And you can join. NO regional moves are needed, as we are not a region, and you'll have your say. No 200 approvals to get a proposal approved, no overly stingey rules (threre will be rules, but not like the NSUN)
Free and open quorm, for all nations. PLEASE READ THE CHARTER, and ratify it to join. If you so desire, tell of any modifications you think should be in there. (I don't have any webpage yet, but maybe if you want to make one, just talk to me first)

The League of Nations

Charter

(I mixed in the Orginal League Charter with the U.N. Charter)

Preamble: The League shall promote international co-operation to achieve international peace and security. The obligations to not resort to war, by an open, just and honorable relations between nations,
By the firm establishment of the understandings of international law as the actual rule of conduct among Governments, and the maintenance of justice and respect for all treaty obligations in the dealings with international politics.

ARTICLE I: The Goals and the Principals of this League:
a. save succeeding generations from scourges of war
b. uphold and reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights
c. establish respect for international law
d. practice good neighborliness, and tolerance, based on equal rights and self-determination of peoples.
e. avoid the use of armed force, except in common interest
f. serve as a center for harmonizing the actions of nations
g. achieve international cooperation in solving economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian problems, while encouraging respect for human rights and freedoms.

ARTICLE II: The League shall recognize a nations sovereignty, and shall not interfere unless international security, human rights, or anything else of distress is aroused to a sever point. (ex. Genocide)

ARTICLE III: The League shall be open to any and all nations.

ARTICLE IV: The League shall have a minor collaboration with the United Nations, but shall remain an independent body, not dominated by third parties.

ARTICLE V: All nations will have an equal say in the League, regardless of population size, Government Status, economy, religion or any other beliefs that are within the boundaries of law and order, civil and poltical freedoms.

ARTICLE VI: Resolutions are allowed by any nation, and will be voted on. Simple majority will be required proceeding a discussion panel by any and all nations. Resolutions may be over turned by a 2/3 agreement, followed by a majority vote.

ARTICLE VII: Regions shall also be allowed to have a delegate in the League

ARTICLE VIII: Nations that disregard the Covenant on all basis, will result in expulsion from the League, military action, or to brought before a tribunal.

Any intrests?

"The Commonality of Everlasting Light has been pushing for a partially League-based alliance of nations for some time; however, there appears to be little interest in an organisation dedicated to the common good rather than the goal of multilateral conquest."

~ High Lord Ambassador Dejure

Maybe so, might as well try.

The Empire of Krioval is always interested in expanding its international scope beyond current interactions. We will follow developments in this matter very closely in the coming days. Please feel free to address any further information to my office, if that is to be desired.

高原由
クリオヴァル

Yoshi Takahara
Krioval

I don't wish to be a naysayer but a complete open forum without approvals or some sort of governance, where each person has a voice, seems like a prospect bound to be ineffectual since varying social, ethical, religious, and philosophical backgrounds are liable to discussion into dead ends. Pursuit of the common good, much like the details contained within article I of the proposed league, is not adequately explicated.

What sorts of conflicts are classified as wars; are the scourges of war particular activities that take place within war or does it refer to war itself?

What will the league consider to be the fundemental human rights, or will this definition be aligned with the one which already exists?

When international law is established, who will enforce it and how will it be enforced? If respect is to be gained for this international body of law, how will it be equally representative in order to maintain the highest possible objectivity?

What sorts of behaviours and activities ought not be tolerated (namely, should the league tolerate intolerance?), and if an autonomous people are willingly governed by a non-democratic body politic will the league still consider them to be self-determining?

In what ways will the league work to better define common interest, since social context varies so widely that a single solution may not adequately address the same problem when that problem affects two very different peoples.

Is it the league's goal to harmonize all of a nation's actions, or just those which may be defined as 'pursuing the good'? Clearly, this could potentially compromise the principle of self-determination and autonomy if the league over-steps it's authority.

Should cooperation be encouraged, if the common good of a majority party leads to the detriment of a minority party?


I suggest that the proposal, which is essentially to appeal to the good and thereby govern the ethics of any nation, is an extremely fragile endeavour, and the greatest care ought to be taken in order to ensure that Goodness does not merely become synonymous with the Will of the larger, more powerful nations. Attempting this undertaking without a more detailed framework could prove disasterous.

The Praetora is not only religiously opposed to the agenda of the League, but finds the inhibitions resultant in membership similiarly offensive. We request affirmation that the agenda of the league will not be imperialised by the membership against unwilling nations.

Patriarch Joseph of the Praetora

It's okay to be a naysayere so I can work out the bugs.

What sorts of conflicts are classified as wars; are the scourges of war particular activities that take place within war or does it refer to war itself?

What I have to define the definition of WAR? Really it's a general statment to mean WAR and VIOLENCE, and it's actvities that results such as famine, anarchy, death, destruction, etc. Paticullaryly in war torn nations


What will the league consider to be the fundemental human rights, or will this definition be aligned with the one which already exists?

Inalienable rights (Rights on the basis of being human) such as religon, speech, peacefull assembley. Also a UDHR based on an existing NSUN Resoultion and U.N. Resoultution will be drafted before the first General Assembly, regarding Human Rights.


When international law is established, who will enforce it and how will it be enforced? If respect is to be gained for this international body of law, how will it be equally representative in order to maintain the highest possible objectivity?

Mostly up to the nation, and the neighboriing nations. The Leauge will have a Peace Keeping and Humanitarian Force, if needed a full military Force with the cooperation of other nations. Plus the establishement of the ICJ/ICC (International Court of Justice and Crimanal Court) To be represneted the many branches will have to be established. (ex Security Council, General Assembly, UNICEF)


What sorts of behaviours and activities ought not be tolerated (namely, should the league tolerate intolerance?), and if an autonomous people are willingly governed by a non-democratic body politic will the league still consider them to be self-determining?

Actvities such as forced famin to starve your enemy into submission, sezing food shipments, piracy, genocide, aiding/committing terrorism, Unlawful/Unjust attack of another nation. It really will require the influence of the International Community. If a resolution is ratifyed in a nation, the laws become binding, violation will result in trial. Supression that endangers the lives of people will not be tolerated.

In what ways will the league work to better define common interest, since social context varies so widely that a single solution may not adequately address the same problem when that problem affects two very different peoples.

For Peace, International Security, the sake of Hamanity. Adressed through the Resoultions brought on by many nations, and the international cooperation.

Is it the league's goal to harmonize all of a nation's actions, or just those which may be defined as 'pursuing the good'? Clearly, this could potentially compromise the principle of self-determination and autonomy if the league over-steps it's authority.

Only under extreem circumstances will the Leauge ever intefer with a nation Soverignty. Compromising will be a heavy thing.

Should cooperation be encouraged, if the common good of a majority party leads to the detriment of a minority party?

No. If it means oppressing all Muslims b/c it is steryotyped that all of them are Terrorists. Veto Power will be granted to certian nations, again if and when established each branch will have it's own say

I would be interested in this, subject to substantial renegotiation of the charter conditions.

"The Commonality notes - from a standpoint of neutrality, you understand - that the power of veto tends to stem from a decisive desire for power. The thirst for power leads to conflict and struggle, and is counterproductive in any environ intended to foster peace.

"At least... so our sociologists say."

~ 1st Ambassador Nejure

Sometimes Veto Power is needed espcially with poorly written resolutions. In the N.S.U.N. There are some heavily flawed resolutions, such as the elimination of ALL FOSSILE Fules within "X" time frame. For developing nations, that can be an absolute nightmare, to the economy. If a resolution like that is come acrossed, it can be vetoed. veto power is a tricky thing, but without it, things wouldn't be blanced. That is why the U.S. Legistative branch can veto a bill, but a the veto can also be turned over.

Two Nations have Now Signed on to the League: The Queendom of Aqua Anu, and the Principality of Kurona.

Other nation's member ship is still pending. You may sign unto the league here, or you may PM Kanami.


-Office of International Affaris

Steven Koolridge-Kanami Prime Minister

Sasha Momiya-Kanami Represenative, Former United Nations Delegate

Touya Mori-Kanami Represenative, Former United Nations Delegate

"The Commonality observes that there is no stipulation for veto powers in the Alliance of Stability and Harmony Treaty, and there has been no complaint nor discouragement regarding those sections of the Treaty where veto powers would apply, if stipulated.

"Therefore, we hold true to our previous point, and agree humbly to disagree with the representatives of Kanami."

~ 1st Ambassador Nejure

If you can't stand VETO than nither this or any alliance would be for you. You are pretty much on your own b/c it's unlikely to change, for the sake of balanced resolutions, and well written ones, obviously the VETO Power would have to reamain. A few parianoid Sociologists may think otherwise but the Queendom stands firm to the Leauge.

Hi it is moi aka the holy Empire of Alpha Centauri XVI and I support THE L.N. and WAY TO GO FOR UN PEOPLE or whatever you call 'em obviously I don't like the U.N.

Now Four Nations are Apart of the League

We would like to take the time to applaud the actions of Kanami in the ways of prommoting peace. It seems that they have learned a great lesson from prior conflicts.

The Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschycos, though a warrior nation, does not like to fight for bland reasons, and promotes peace for that matter. We do, however, follow paths of war when it is for the common good.

We have also begun to acquire a desire to expand diplomatic relations, which would promote peace and avoid war in the long run. Ergo, we hereby wish to join the League of Nations, with their understanding that none of the laws passed shall affect our internal policy in any way.

We hope that this league may help promote peace and good relations among the different sovreign states of the World.

May God bless you all and the League's mission,

Shogun Himura Kenshin
Shogun of the Imperial Shogunate
- relayed via ICS Kaze's Bridge-

Approved

Quoting something, "Okay let's ask the rabbi." "I say... I say... Let's all sit down." I also say "HUZZAH" to all in LN!!!!!!!