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This is to solve those issues and questions that may arise in the thread Coup d'État in Karmanyaka [Semi-open, Klatchian] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434414)

Please be good chaps and behave now! :)

Offical Recommendation. Mildonian forces decided that rather than Face attainment that they left the Federation...

Best way to salvage the thread in my estimation. :rolleyes:

well shucks, my military is all dressed up and has no place to go

I even had a plan. Oh well.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm STILL invading..............no reason to stop my annexat...........er liberation of Karmanyaka :)

OOC: The poll in the internal affairs has been reopened. As well, I don't understand the BS between Ilek-Vaad and Midlonia. What is the general consensus here? Is the Midlonian part vanishing into a puff of smoke or what? I'm not posting until this is figured out.

It would appear that Mildonia and Vaad have 'issues' with each other OOC which came to a head in this thread.

*shrugs* I've made my suggestion. And the thread was only closed because I thought all of the 'active' members had voted by my count. However it appears one of the silent members voted so my count was off.

I pm'ed you guys about what I know about the situation. Odd, Midlonia told me all of you guys knew what he was on about?

OK, what a mess... well it seems that since Midlonia left we have to rearrange things a bit.

I suggest something along Alcona's lines here: Someone in Midlonia woke up and saw what was happening and realized that they couldn't beat the whole FKC and Ilek-Vaad so they cancelled the invasion, pulled back their forces, and left the FKC (at a violent speed!). That way days of posting won't get wasted and it all seems to make a bit of sence. We can fast-forward to that point and that way we'd have around Karmanyaka:

Map of Karmanyaka and deployments:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/karmanyaka/karmamap3.jpg

- on the southern coast
an almost entirely destroyed Free Karmanyakan fleet, [Black]
a dito JDF naval taskforce, [Purple]
a New Shiron naval taskforce, [Red]
a Vaadian naval group unloading marines in Fort Fyalar[Green]

- on the western coast
an Alconian naval taskforce, [Blue]
a group of Vrakian subs inbound, [Brown]

- on land
Vaadian forces moving in over the north-eastern border [Green]
Vaadian marines in Fort Fyalar [Green]
Alconian marines under the command of Dame Winton [Blue] in Syndia Valley

Plus of course lots of Karmanyakan 'Grune troops' and various 'Free troops' scattered across the land.

The numbers on the map are:
1 Katla - Capital city
2 Fort Fyalar - Foreign Guard Base
3 Astridburg - Second largest city
4 Muerte - Fishing village and target bridge head of Midlonian invasion
5 Steamfiord - Largest Karmanyakan naval base

Did I forget something? Something unclear? Anyone not happy with this?

Er, I thought there was a large estuary between Ilek-Vaad and Karmanyanka, or was in the last map we agreed on. Something about Vaadian ports being left open.

Yes, the Sea of Lacon, you have the right map (last I heard) The port city of South Haven, is just south of the Green Land deployment star, on the Vaadian side.

Although I was under the impression that Fort Fyalar was closer to the Vaadian border and bordered the Sea of Lacon? I may be wrong though.

Below is the current path of Vaadian deployment:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/jaguar1024/karmamdep3.jpg

A is North Battlegroup
B is Central Battlegroup
C is South Battlegroup

the red 'arrows' indicate planned route and not current penetration, which of course depends entirely upon resistance. I left Naval Assets and Fort Fyalar off, until it's clear where it is, at least to me.

I don't see any reason that the RP can't continue along the lines Alconia suggests.

I misread the map...my bad...

Well, if Midlonia is no longer around, wouldn't the JDF and Karma fleet be magically back up to full strength? I was under the impression that it was Midlonia that obliterated them. Or would they even be there?

I think that we take it from where it ended, that is with the Midlonian attack just happened and the smoking remnants of the JDF and Karmanyakan fleets floating around. We just assume that the Midlonian invasion fleet fled the scene for some blurred reason... So with the Midlonian ships steaming away (towing away the entire land mass that constitutes the Greater Kingdom of Midlonia, or something...) we resume the game, ok?

The NS world suffers from 'sudden plate techtonics'

Yeah...I agree...the loss of the JDF taskforce will go down in history as one of the great moments of that Navy.

OK then!

But we still have Vaadians 'intruding' on Klatchian territory until the voting is
resolved.

'Intruding' is such a harsh term, how about we say 'visiting' ?

Empty rhetorics. ;)

Visiting, with extreme prejudice!

Well, I expected to be fighting Midlonia, but Vrak? It was that buck-toothed seal comment, wasn't it? ;)

LNS News Story on the Invasion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9469201&postcount=30)

Visiting, with extreme prejudice!

Well, I expected to be fighting Midlonia, but Vrak? It was that buck-toothed seal comment, wasn't it? ;)

Well, you should have expected this kind of response from me. You aren't a full Klatchian state and you are meddling. :)

As well, did your ground troops actually cross into Karmanyaka?

Yes sir they have. Liberated a city or two as well and met all sort of friendly Karmanyakans, and some not so friendly ones, but they were no problem after being shot..........repeatedly.

I must say that I invaded after I thought the Parliamentary vote was closed and Karmanyaka had won..........but no matter, this could be fun too!

The hypersonic bomber is an NS item. It can go Mach 10 and achieves this by skipping along the atmosphere. But I think a plausible weakness is that it would have to slow down in order to shoot any missiles and even more to drop bombs. After that critical period, they make tracks to get out of harms way. I would reckon that they aren’t all that stealthy as well. It also has roughly a 31.5 metric ton payload

The ground air attack group is armed with ten Kh-101 missiles (a ground stand off attack missile 2400kg weight) per plane with a range of 3000-5000 km. The navy air attack group will have 12 Kh-SD (ship attack; weight 1800 kg per missile) and its range is about 300-500 km. Both have a high explosive warhead of 1000 kg. Basically, I will draw them within about 500 km and release the missiles. Then, depending on the damage, the ground attack group will try to get in close to release their payload of 11 tons of aviation bombs. These will be the FAB-1500 (weight 1400 kg; warhead 667 kg HE) so I guess about 7 of those.

The ground air attack will target key buildings and fortifications while the navy air attack will go after the biggest looking ship (the Revenge battleships)

The subs will go after the picket ships with torps while the Yakhont anti- ship missiles will offer assistance and hopefully penetrate your picket screen and sink a bigger ship.

You dick!

South of Sleyfalls are 2 Naval Guard Tactical Groups, Sir Wiliam Issem and Tactical Group Ismaili Al Assad. Of course each Tactical Group contains:

Tactical Group:

2 Revenge Class Battleships

2 Tollan Class Carriers

22 Jaguar Class Arsenal Cruisers

12 Trident submarines

12 Wolf-Hound submarines


as per the Retaliatory Guard page:Retaliatory Guard (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347434&page=1)

Yes, that is quite a lot, but they were orginally deployed to attack the Midlonian landing force, which was sizeable. The Naval Guard Orion Fighters have been running sorties over Grune's troops and have suffered casualties and don't have the full four hundred right now. More like three hundred and seventy five, three hundred and fifty.

The Tactical Groups are still about a hundred miles off of Karmanyaka.

As stated in my post, they will not fire first, the Vrakians will have to intiate hostilities.

Further east are an additional 3 Tactical Groups that could provide support, especially air support in quick fashion. Once again they were deployed originally to fight the Midlonian Armada.

May the Force be With You.

Bear with me as I type this. Some of this is for me to keep track of things just as I hope it is informative.

54 subs in the water (HK#3-HK#10). Each group of six subs (hunter/killer type I) consist of 1 Typhoon sub (which carry nukes), one Oscar II (cruise missile sub), and four attack subs (2 Sierra class II and two Akula class II). As I type this, I realize I need to simplify my military.

Anyhow, some of the subs will carry super-cav torps and some will not. From what I can see, the BA-111 Shkval underwater rocket seems to be what the Russians use, although I think it’s still a prototype. The information I found is that it has a range of 7500 yards (spitting distance, eh?) but zooms along at about 200 knots. And it looks like it can be fired from 533 mm standard tubes, meaning that any of the sub types can fire them.

36 hypersonic bombers now split into two groups. Again, the air to land missiles seem to have a much greater range than the anti-ship missiles. I still don’t know why this is but perhaps it is due to treaty obligations rather than engineering constraints. Oh well.

Super cav info: http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1728&catid=267

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A quick rundown of my entire naval deployments. I have two sub fleets (I use the word fleet loosely here, perhaps I’ll rename it by “squadron”, “group”, etc…) in Neo Tyr (12 subs total), and seven projection fleets in Clairmont. The rest are at home either undergoing regular maintenance or training exercises, usually in the North Sea. Which means the bulk of my navy is in Vrak (along with the airforce, infantry, etc…). But this also means it would take them a helluva long time to get going – especially considering the route they would have to take (think Russo-Japanese war of 1905) and I think of the Klatch as pretty damn big size-wise. That is, I used long-range bombers sent to Karmanyaka since I don’t have such long ranged fighter jets.

The transports, if sent, should reach provided that a friendly airfield can be found.

As for super-cav torps, I think it would be quite reasonable for me to have them but I can adjust it. I really try to avoid springing up new things in a “war” rp just to get some kind of edge. If the hypersonic bombers sound like that, well, I can change that too. The thread that I bought them on (with later modifications) has long gone (got them from Santa Barbara who is a long-time ally) and well, despite our literacy rates, not all Vrakians are dumb.

And besides, you called me a dick! :)

Edit: Where is Sleyfalls?

Sleyfalls is on the Southwest coast.

Super cavitating torpedos are no problem, the Naval Guard 'Icarus' torpedo is super cavitating. So long as you don't have any super cavitating battleships, we should be be okay. ;)

Just to make it clear, Retaliatory Guard Command has ordered their men not to fire on any 'friendly' forces unless fired upon first. They are going to make Vrak or DB widen the conflict by initiating hostilities.

We also have to remember that the Vaadians have not been apprised by anyone of the vote in Parliament or the stance of any Federation states excepting Vrak, Alcona and Hubris and Karmanyaka.

IC Retaliatory Guard Command is operating under the assumption that the fax sent by Minister Pommer to the Karmanyakan keys resolved the issue of their actions in accordance with a fully legal and binding treaty. Attacking them will be seen as a purely malicious action in their eyes and they will play it as such in the court of public opinion.

Hmm, well this thread has been in hibernation, partly because RL became so hectic for all of us, well I should say Me in bold letters.

So, what to do...we can either restart this little thread again or just work out what the final end results were/are...

Personally I'm not sure...but it is sort of Karmanyanka's decision.

I don't see why we can't pick up where we left off? It shouldn't be that complicated, nothing has really changed since we left off.

I don't see why we can't pick up where we left off? It shouldn't be that complicated, nothing has really changed since we left off.

ooc
I can do either, although as the people of New Shiron are all leaving the planet, its a relatively minor issue for the New Shiron government. However, a large force still remains at Port Gordon, along with the entire Blue Water New Shiron Royal Navy (which is about to be offered as a gift to the Vrakians in gratitude for Vrak help during the New Cynthian invasion).

OOC: I'm okay either in continuing from where it is now or to fast forward it. Darn papers and stuff is holding me back. Up to Karma in the end I think.

Well, let's let Karmanyaka decide, it is his party.

I say the show must go on. But I wouldn't mind if we finished it rather quickly. Which seems far easier than done! ; )

So... where were we? Let's replace the pieces on the chessboard...
To sum it all up, I think this is where we left the RP back in august:

- We have a Var/Klatchian Marshal hanging around the Karmanyakan capital Katla, cleaning up after the fall of Grune and his Junta.

- The Lord Tengil Johan Kader has proclaimed himself in charge of things again.

- An Alconian baroness has been made Field Marshal of the Free Karmanyakan Army.

- Alconian marines have assembled in western Karmanyaka, together with the baroness and her forces.

- Karmanyakan Junta forces are retreating and breaking up all over the country, but still going strong in the city of Sleyfalls on the southern Karmanyakan coast...

- ... where they fight against Free Karmanyakan Forces, Vaadian Foreign Guard forces and soon Vaadian Retaliatory Guard Marines.

- Vrakian Bombers are on route to Karmanyaka.

- Vaadian Naval Guard is apparently keeping these bombers under close observation and also have a heavy presence around the otherwise largely undefended Karmanyakan coasts.

- Dyellians mobilize close to the north-western Karmanyakan borders, watched by more Vaadians.

- Shironian forces are mobilized and ready to intervene on FKC orders.

- Oh, and the Vrakians have shipped Karmanyakan minister Henry Pommer to Port Olympus to speak to the Parliament and for some yet unspoken reason, they thought it important to give him a quick, safe ride.

- And last but really not least, there was a vote in Parliament on the legality of the Vaadian intervention in Karmanyaka, the results of which were not entirely clear and uncontroversial. I believe, however, that some members thought the outcome of the vote meant that the FKC would act to oust the Retaliatory Guard and perhaps even the Foreign Guard from Karmanyakan (Klatchian) territory.

I probably forgot something, but this is the big picture.

I'll post a map soon so you all know where the places are.

Here are two maps to give a better picture of the scene of the crime, so to speak...

First, a map showing the cities and tracts of Karmanyaka. The country is divided into seven different "tracts", each with a main city. Other major cities are also shown on the map. Then we have the two enclaves Cherry Valley and Wild Rose Valley.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/karmanyaka/karmamap4.jpg

Second, a map showing the terrain of the country. Grey is mountainous terrain, green is forests and lightly populated areas, brown is farmland and more densely populated areas, blue, of course, is water and finally the dark blue-green is swamps and marshland.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/karmanyaka/karmamap4B.jpg

Now, I know the quality of these pictures is disastrous, and you probably can't read the names of cities, rivers and lakes, but they're just rough sketches, ok? : ]

Those maps look fine to me, so we just need to resolve, Sleyfalls, the formal transition of power back to the Lord Tengil and work out what finally does happen between the Free Republic and the FKC to really wrap things up the quickest?

- Vrakian bombers veered off.
- Vrakian subs shadowing Vaadian subs
- Massive (as in roughly half of the entire Vrakian navy - sorry no hard number but at least 250-300 ships not including transports) fleet heading to New Shiron but likely a "stabilizing force" sent to Karmanyaka, likely to augment JDF forces. All depends on parliament i suppose but given that IV landed forces in Karmanyaka, can't expect those tempermental walruses to be all that accomodating at the moment.
- IV, you will see some of this fleet with yours outside of DB waters.
- I suppose it's okay to say here that remnants of any Vrakian fleets, except for a small token presence in Neo Tyr, are making tracks back to New Shiron.
- Basically, New Shiron (haven't consulted New Shiron the player on this yet so this may change) is going to be housing a large presence of Vrakians.

- Vrakian bombers veered off.

- Basically, New Shiron (haven't consulted New Shiron the player on this yet so this may change) is going to be housing a large presence of Vrakians.

the Vrak will find it empty, as the last of the population has left....if asked, Lord Harrington in Port Olympus will inform the Vrakians that as far as New Shiron is concerned that its former national territory is open for settlement under whatever rules the FKC chooses to set down.