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Ok. This is the OOC thread for the Coronation of High King Owain, the wedding of High King Owain and Lady Marissa (Gehenna Tartarus), the wedding of Grand Duchess Gwendolyn and Prince Peter (Excalbia), and the wedding of Prince Brendan and Princess Theodora (Pantocratoria). It'll be invite only but with pretty liberal invitations. If you're not on the list and either feel you should be or want to be, just post in this thread and I'll add you unless there's a reason not to.

Invited: Gehenna Tartarus, Excalbia, Pantocratoria, Lavenrunz, Dread Lady Nathicana, Scolopendra, Treznor, Cetaganda, Etaros, Hack, GMC, Menelmacar, Tarasovka, the C'tan, Knootoss, Iuthia, Weyr, Taurenor, Aelosia, Syskeyia, Ainulindalion, Sakkra, Holy Vatican See

At the very least I'll be sending a delegate to attend an official function for an ally. The fact that we'll be able to foster sadly neglected relations with TRD will make it doubly important.

1. This is a basically peaceful thread. If you want to kill/kidnap/otherwise harm a character, you need to tg both me and the player of that character to clear it first.
2. If a player you ignore is playing in the thread, don't respond at all to them nor they to you. Don't make an IC issue of it. They don't exist to you at all.
3. Keep all OOC posts in this thread, not the IC one
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1. Celebration in the streets going on throughout
2. Coronation. Foreign representation to the ceremony itself consisting only of regular ambassadors in Tarana
3. Arrival of foreign dignitaries
4. Reception of foreign dignitaries by His High Majesty
5. Night
6. Wedding of Prince Brendan and Princess Theodora
7. Wedding of Grand Duchess Gwendolyn and Prince Peter
8. Wedding of High King Owain and Lady Marissa
9. Night
10. Opening session of Parliament, friendly foreign leaders invited to speak

OOC: *sniff* I wanna gooooo! Can I come? Pleeeeeease?

:D

Probably a good one to work together, Trez? I know I'm horribly behind in keeping up with things, and RD is one that's gone too long neglected.

Bene grazie for the invite.

Probably a good one to work together, Trez? I know I'm horribly behind in keeping up with things, and RD is one that's gone too long neglected.

Bene grazie for the invite.

It's fine. You've been busy. And you're welcome. I could hardly not invite you after I basically got my rping start at your coronation thread all those months ago, no? *Grins* Anyway, posting the actual thread soon.

OOC: *sniff* I wanna gooooo! Can I come? Pleeeeeease?

:D

You were already on the invite list, silly Elf.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9401584#post9401584

Wala!

Are you sure you want an evil Republican like me coming?

I'm also wondering about characters.... I can send nice people (well, relatively nice) or absolute assholes. Any personal preferences here?

I suppose my foreign minister and my new Prime Minister will attend. Any other people I could tag along? Maybe Hans van Mierlo as somone who should be *relatively* friendly with these people. He'd be retired by the time starts, of course, but would be minister of state.

I'll try to behave, too. :fluffle:

Yeah, definitely. You're still allies, even if you have a different form of government. It is true that your Prime Minister will probably wind up speaking more with Prime Minister Karamanlis than with the High King though, partially because we know you guys would prefer it that way.

Send people somewhere in the middle. And your ambassador will be needed in the beginning. Since the actual Coronation ceremony just has all the foreign countries represented by their ambassadors in Tarana.

Behaving is good...but don't behave too much. If EVERYTHING goes just right, it's boring.

Yeah, definitely. You're still allies, even if you have a different form of government. It is true that your Prime Minister will probably wind up speaking more with Prime Minister Karamanlis than with the High King though, partially because we know you guys would prefer it that way.
He would. Daatman is new, also, and also had "internal" Knootian jobs. Education, mayor of Amsterdam etc. He is "not a foreign policy kinda guy", despite trying. (See: Excalbia thing.)

Send people somewhere in the middle. And your ambassador will be needed in the beginning. Since the actual Coronation ceremony just has all the foreign countries represented by their ambassadors in Tarana.

Aye. I'll need to appoint a new one though, I guess, after the... unpleasantness... with the last ambassador. :p

Behaving is good...but don't behave too much. If EVERYTHING goes just right, it's boring.

Come on, how long have you known me. :)

Well, I hope you won't mind me hi-jacking your thread for a little political plotline involving the Grand Duke and the Grand Duchess by Right that still haven't yet figured out who's the ruler :rolleyes:

Well, they'll figure it out during the event then, I guess.

All good. All good. Go ahead and start posting the arrival of your ambassadors at the coronation in the thread itself.

Y'know, I think I'll post after all... :)

Y'know, I think I'll post after all... :)

Yay!

Weyr: Where is Kira where she's seeing all these people? Foreign monarchs are NOT invited to the coronation ceremony itself, just ambassadors. World leaders are arriving after the ceremony for the stuff the next day. Right now is the time for people to be posting the arrival of the ambassadors they already have in Tarana at the ceremony, not their leaders.

*Nudges everyone else to go on and post*

Sorry. *edits*

Sorry I was a little late in spotting this. I've established my ambassador at the coronation, but I assume my Imperial family will be arriving later for the weddings. Hope that is OK. How closely spaced do you plan the weddings to be?

An hour apart each for cool down time with a joint reception.

Added Ainu to invite list as per request. Also added HVS and Sakkra.

I don't think I have any ambassador's in your holdings, but I will send an officer of the DiploCorps first in any event. One of the Royal Line will come the day after. Thank you for the invite.

I don't think I have any ambassador's in your holdings, but I will send an officer of the DiploCorps first in any event. One of the Royal Line will come the day after. Thank you for the invite.

*Nods* We probably should exchange embassies at some point too, since we are both in VERITAS together.

So how we working this? Late arrival? Was there for the whole shebang?

Up to you. I have no problem with you having been there for the whole thing. I don't think anything happened that would have been fundamentally rped differently cause of your guy.

Will do. Probably have something up in a bit, if not tomorrow. See ya there!

For the record, only the ceremony is in Welsh. Most day to day communication in the Resurgent Dream is done in English, which is the federal national language. Each Danaanstate also has a language which is generally also spoken by most of the people and is spoken as the day to day language and at the Princely Court of that state. The language of the High Court on the most formal occasions is Welsh.

In short, assume my people are speaking English except where specifically noted otherwise, like in the ceremony itself.

A page approached Speaker-Rrit and bowed deeply. "Excuse me, sir..." he said, having been instructed that that term was considered more respectful by Scolpendrans than the honorifics Danaan aristocrats preferred. "The High Queen wishes to receive you as soon as he is done speaking with the Erumna of Etaros."

King! That should be High King! Silly habits formed from having a female leader for so long.

Oh. For a moment there we all thought Owain had a secret nightlife you weren't telling us or Marissa about.

Oh. For a moment there we all thought Owain had a secret nightlife you weren't telling us or Marissa about.

You did not think that and you know it. ;)

Excalbia: Remember that your ambassador is still having that conversation with the PM as well.

*Nudges Scolo to check the post right over his last one*

o_O

Well, I feel the git... I never even noticed the invite. I'll... um... review the IC thread and see if I can work myself in. I was... er... attacked by these rabid flesh-eating weevils, you see... >_>

o_O

Well, I feel the git... I never even noticed the invite. I'll... um... review the IC thread and see if I can work myself in. I was... er... attacked by these rabid flesh-eating weevils, you see... >_>

No you weren't! Those were vegetarian weevils! >.<

Oh, and TRD, I might take some time with replying, so don't be angry after Vethveth if she arrives late whilst being in Tarana on time ;)

Fixed.

Hack: It's ok, hun.

Vethara: Also fine.

Is it too late for me to have Sukothai to arrive? :)

I might also try and establish diplomatic relations with TRD as well. :D

Nah, not too late

Ah. Yes. Posting. Uhm. Yeah.

*Knoot sinks back into the shadows*

You spend too much time on Particracy, Knooty!

I guess. I just need to reply to the booooooooooooring letter by a certain person before I can install my new PM and in turn post here and I dont have the energy for it. -_-. I will though, soon.

The Resurgent Dream: Despite not having any relations with each other, I think this would be an interesting way to perhaps open some sort of contact. Would I be able to send my leader (Lady Destra) to this event?

Euroslavia: Sure thing. Her Destraness is most welcome.

Excalbia: I think you might have missed my last post.

By the way a random note: Syskeyia may be fast-forwarding now for the purpose of this meeting, but I am not allowing him to fast-forward for the Excalbian crisis too. Thank you.

:)

Syskeyia: Keep OOC posts to the OOC thread, please.

Excalbia: I think Marie and Adish are already outside.

By the way a random note: Syskeyia may be fast-forwarding now for the purpose of this meeting, but I am not allowing him to fast-forward for the Excalbian crisis too. Thank you.

:)

That's OK by me.

*airdrops a ton of airborne divisions (which he wasn't planning on using the the Reich campaigns anyway) into Saxmere*

j/k

:)

Anyway, anything Sukothai and the TRD people can talk about?

You could talk about exchanging embassies, Ambara, the Reich and your recent war, common friendship with Pantocratorian, the status of the Catholic Church in TRD...

Or just make small talk.

Anyway, who hasn't met with Owain yet so I can make a little list to make sure I don't skip anybody? ICly, I have rather skilled people working on this and they'd never miss anyone.

*raises hand*

Btw, i'm not quite sure what the Ambassador would be doing right now. Let's assume he's just milling about doing ambassador-like stuff, yah?

Gehenna hasn't met with him yet. But they can always talk later if you don't want to do everyone with an official meeting etc.

Neither has Daatman, but I really do not think they have anything interesting to exchange beyond singing "I like you, you like me, lets all sit in the pleasant-tree!". So I suppose we can assume it happened or something.

When are you planning, OOC, to move to the next event?

I haven't yet, but then again, I just arrived. :p

Knoot: As soon as I finish rping all these meetings. Feel free to meander and seek out little sideplots while you wait though, with me or with the other players. You don't just have to wait until your meeting with the king to post.

TRD: Don't forget the "Trading Princesses..." thread...

Gah, sorry for the lack of arrival. I would like to offer some excuse as to why I've not posted, unfortunately it's kinda limited to "I got obcessed with playing City of Heroes and as such all my RPs suffered a drop in interest", otherwise it's just been down to a complete lack of imagination for a while as well...

It looks like everything else has gotten far enough ahead that there isn't really any hope of including the Iuthian delegation (which for the most part I would probably have just kept them being lovey dovey in a corner and keeping low profile) so I apologise for that.

Thanks for the opportunity in anycase.

Actually, any time until the start of the weddings would be an acceptable time to arrive.

Actually, any time until the start of the weddings would be an acceptable time to arrive.
I can just picture somebody's ambassador running in when the priest says "If anybody present knows any reason why these two should not be joined in holy matrimony", shouting and screaming :)

Can one just give any reason to object? Cuz I have a few objections. :p

Can one just give any reason to object? Cuz I have a few objections. :p
Yes, but they are not all regarded as actual reasons ;)

I was thinking along the lines of "this marriage makes the Pink Bunny [cola bunny] cry" and "the Groom hates Freedom, wherein Freedom refers to specific Knootian policies foreign and domestic." ;)

We already banned Pink Bunny Cola. And the groom does not hate freedom! The Irish invented freedom.

Doesn't Knootian foreign policy consist primarily of activities like whining at weddings of foreign dignitaries about how they don't like Knootian foreign policy anyway?

The bunny is clearly a symbol for Freedom. Freedom that is opressed. Why do you hate bunnies?

Bunnies are teh 3vil! Don't go to sleep near one with your bits hanging out. For some reason they think it looks like a carrot or something. Anyhoo.....

My Emperor is now in the ballroom. Let the socialization ..... COMMENCE!

I was thinking along the lines of "this marriage makes the Pink Bunny [cola bunny] cry"

Good! Maybe then she'll put on some clothes or something. :P

"the Groom hates Freedom, wherein Freedom refers to specific Knootian policies foreign and domestic."

HOORAY!!!

Anyway, now that Sukothai's meeting with Karmanalis (sp?) is done, does anybody want to talk with him? :)

I could throw empty cans of Pink Bunny Cola at Sukothai?

I could throw empty cans of Pink Bunny Cola at Sukothai?

Or you could post IC. ;)

Danaans people not talking to anyone can be mingling with:

Prime Minister Minerva Karamanlis
Grand Duchess Morgan
Grand Duchess Gwendolyn
Some others, but those three are the important ones

Sorry. Was making short OOC posts standing in crowded Uni rooms. Interweb has been restored at home but now these annoying RL people want me to attend classes and such! No fair!

Knoot, what's more important? Serious real life obligations or making fake politicians talk to a teenage girl on a webgame?

Well, I did sneak out of (boring, useless) class just now so I could post. Your teenage girl is just even lower on the agenda. :p

It seems that everyone is already engaged in discussion, but Lady Destra is sitting down in the room, awaiting anyone who would be interested in conversation.

Well, I did sneak out of (boring, useless) class just now so I could post. Your teenage girl is just even lower on the agenda. :p
Knoot, she's fourteen, she's going to be practically the same height as Irene Daatman, why is she bending over like a prat? :P

14 and the same height? Or is she some wanktastic scary race?

14 and the same height? Or is she some wanktastic scary race?
I was taller than both my parents at 14, most 14 year olds are practically as tall as adults, she hardly needs to bend down. Just saying.

Knootians *are* rather tall though, generally. And I know in my family we were all still much smaller. And I was taller than those kids of somewhat-that-age I taught at school too.... oh well. Just bending over insofar as is neccecery then.

She's 5'4"

I'll have somebody talk to Lady Destra next post. Anyone else lonely?

Peter is looking for Gwendolyn, unless seeing her the night before would break some taboo...

Feel free to find her. I posted she was in the halls.

And for Panto: Joseph is waiting to see if Anna feels like joining the family for dinner with Marissa...

Excalbia: were you still planning for that meetup later on or has time caught up with it?

Ok. Who still needs to see the High King? I'm trying to get this thread moving along. I know people don't want to rp infinite amounts of small talk.

Destra: You know you're talking to three people, not just Marian, right?

Ok. Who still needs to see the High King? I'm trying to get this thread moving along. I know people don't want to rp infinite amounts of small talk.

Well, the GDT folks don't need to see him, but if they don't, he'll get no gift :p
But you go ahead and move that thread on already. I think I'll have the Taraskovyans retire for the night to have an excuse not to post small talk ;)

Excalbia: were you still planning for that meetup later on or has time caught up with it?

Knoot, for the sake of moving things along, why don't we have Daatman meet the Emperor "tomorrow," perhaps after the weddings?

Knoot, for the sake of moving things along, why don't we have Daatman meet the Emperor "tomorrow," perhaps after the weddings?

Agreed. *nod*

Nah. I want to meet the Taraskovyans. We're both on IRC so we can do it there and it'll be one post. I just want to clarify who I still need to see.

Mikhail
Destra
Daatman

Who am I forgetting? I think I'm almost done.

People who are open for conversation:

Abraham Goldfarb
Rhodri Llewelyn
Annette d'Anice
Henri d'Anice
Minerva Karamanlis
Petros Karamanlis
Kostas Karamanlis
Sir Alfred Dashwood
Lieutenant Kira Brame

Well, following in TRD's path, I can also say that the two speakers of the Taraskovyan Parliament (Duma + Senate), as well as the Colonel of the Leib-guards (who is actually a General-Lieutenant if you take the table of comparative ranks thing (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Alexander_Guard#Ranks)) are somewhere by the refreshments...

So if anyone wants to know more about the Taraskovyan autocratic monarchy with semi-direct democracy or its army or simply rant about the nation or the weather or whatnot, feel free. ;)

Euh, TRD, would you please get to me via IRC before starting acting my characters out? ;)

Acting your characters out?

Acting your characters out?

Yes, having them seated messes up how I imagined the start of the discussion, since I did not intend them to simply pluff into the chairs upon entry. So I'd ask you to have Owain simply invite them to get seated and edit the rest out.

Edited for Vethveth.

Edited for Vethveth.

Now get on IRC so we can play that stuff out :D

Why are none of the people whinging about dealing with "autocrats" making any effort to speak to the elected head of the country's government?

The elected head of government doesn't wear a pretty, revealing dress. ;)

She could.

Scolo, the use of the term Speaker as a title was based on my own OOC ignorance predicated by the fact that Nathicana used it as a form of address in front of my characters and by the fact that the term "Speaker" by itself is frequently employed as a title. ;)

I'll wait a bit longer for Destra. The thread really needs to move on though.

Scolo, the use of the term Speaker as a title was based on my own OOC ignorance predicated by the fact that Nathicana used it as a form of address in front of my characters and by the fact that the term "Speaker" by itself is frequently employed as a title. ;)
Not exactly my problem, now is it? You made your bed... ;)

Not exactly my problem, now is it? You made your bed... ;)

I fully intend to sleep in it, I was just letting you know.

Panto - she also went rather much out of her way to point out his -proper- titles when introducing him, of which there are, traditionally, many. *grins*

I know she did, but the form of address she used was "Speaker" thus I assumed it was the form of address for me to use as well. Really it is just a matter of my never having RPed with Scolo before and therefore being ignorant as to his forms of address.

Brief randomness on Weyrik names....

A full Weyrik name consists of a half-dozen components which are almost always ommitted, except on a few official records. It contains a professional name, a given/selected name, a 'patronym' and 'matronym', a family name, a clan name (if any), and an origin li-name, in that order. The matronym and patronym are never used without a last name in any spoken situation.

The Weyrik li' prefix is similar to of in English. In a name, it is used to denote a person's place of origin. When used in a formal title without or instead of a last name, it means the person is either consciously omitting her parentage, or does not know it.

For a full royal title such as the one used by Speaker to introduce Kira, anyone with a basic knowledge of Weyrean culture can easily figure out that in this case they're talking to someone who can't claim a normal royal pedigree.

On another note, the NS Wiki entry for Weyr is hopelessly out of date for everything except the Ministries subsection.

I'll wait a bit longer for Destra. The thread really needs to move on though.

Sorry about that... I've had school, and I've had to work both of my jobs the last two days because someone quit in the Overnight job. I'll make a post right now.

I know she did, but the form of address she used was "Speaker" thus I assumed it was the form of address for me to use as well. Really it is just a matter of my never having RPed with Scolo before and therefore being ignorant as to his forms of address.
In context, though, it'd be like "Andreus! Old buddy old pal! How's it hanging?" But yeah. 78% of diplomacy is miscommunication, whether intentional or no.

Pantocratoria, Excalbia, Gehenna: I'm going to post the actuals weddings in the next couple of days. Do any of you mind if I assume your character' actions a little, as in assuming they're going through with the ceremony as expected?

I'll talk to you about the necessary arrangements on AIM for Theodora's wedding. You could go look up the English text of the Nuptial Mass for a start though.

Feel free to do with Peter what you wish for the duration of the ceremony; I think it'll be much easier for you to "control" him during the wedding itself, as well as any formal events immediately afterwards.

I'm happy for you to control Marissa through the ceremony.

I dug up Anna and Joseph's wedding thread in case it is at all useful (skip over the tedious Gilbert and Sullivan... pretending it isn't there would be even better): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=286551

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6130722&postcount=240 <- this is the first post of the actual wedding ceremony.

How exactly do I have to follow that? I'd really rather not tell Theodora she should fear her husband, for obvious reasons.

Changing the words of the Nuptial Mass is naughty, and the words of the Epistle of Paul in question is just as naughty. You could go with a more modern translation of both than the one I used though. I'd look it up independently and use the version you like best, I only linked you to the RP in case that might be helpful to get you in the right direction.

Here's the same passage from two of the more modern translations widely used in Excalbia :) (excuse the verse numbers and footnote marks, please)

21And further, you will submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22You wives will submit to your husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his body, the church; he gave his life to be her Savior. 24As the church submits to Christ, so you wives must submit to your husbands in everything.
25And you husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed the church. He gave up his life for her 26to make her holy and clean, washed by baptism and God's word.[a] 27He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault. 28In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife. 29No one hates his own body but lovingly cares for it, just as Christ cares for his body, which is the church. 30And we are his body.
31As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one."[b] 32This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one. 33So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

or

21Out of respect for Christ, be courteously reverent to one another.
22Wives, understand and support your husbands in ways that show your support for Christ. 23The husband provides leadership to his wife the way Christ does to his church, not by domineering but by cherishing. 24So just as the church submits to Christ as he exercises such leadership, wives should likewise submit to their husbands.
25Husbands, go all out in your love for your wives, exactly as Christ did for the church--a love marked by giving, not getting. 26Christ's love makes the church whole. His words evoke her beauty. Everything he does and says is designed to bring the best out of her, 27dressing her in dazzling white silk, radiant with holiness. 28And that is how husbands ought to love their wives. They're really doing themselves a favor--since they're already "one" in marriage.
29No one abuses his own body, does he? No, he feeds and pampers it. That's how Christ treats us, the church, 30since we are part of his body. 31And this is why a man leaves father and mother and cherishes his wife. No longer two, they become "one flesh." 32This is a huge mystery, and I don't pretend to understand it all. What is clearest to me is the way Christ treats the church. 33And this provides a good picture of how each husband is to treat his wife, loving himself in loving her, and how each wife is to honor her husband.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10005a.htm

"He is then told to warn them "with grave words to be faithful to one another". The rest of the advice suggested in the rubric of the Missal is now generally left out."

I win. Also, that site says some mean things about the Anna-Joseph wedding.

Thanks, Excalbia

*beats TRD for not letting anyone have a waking up post*

I'm going to wait here for a little bit to let everyone catch up before moving on to the reception. Since everything important is done, I'm thinking about playing the reception for a week and then finishing up. I feel silly going ahead with the opening of Parliament when so much time has passed while this thread was going on that I'm rping the next elections now.

Unless anyone has any strong objections, I'm going to go ahead and officially end the thread. I hope everyone enjoyed themselves.