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OOC: I'm feeling very nostalgic, and decided to visit the forums of the long dead WMNK Coalition. Most of you were not around back in the day, and hence know nothing of WMNK, what it stood for, or what it did.

Back in the days before NationStates had moderators, there was the WMNK Coalition. Thought up by myself after the first Perrier war, the WMNK stood for: War Mongering N00b Killers. And we did just that, we killed war mongering noobs. BUT, we helped the newbies who were eager to learn the game and play it right.

WMNK was officially formed in early April (possibly very late March, although I doubt it) of 2003, and saw it's first few members very quickly, including Steel Butterfly and The SLAGLands. WMNK was the player's answer to RP moderators. If a n00b came into the game and started declaring war on the world, we would post the following warning:

ATTN: Nation Operating Ostentatiously in its Beginning (a.k.a. N.0.0.B.):
Your current actions are placing your nation in danger of self-destruction and total annihilation. The nations of the world are not going to take this threat lightly; in fact, you are leaving yourself open for invasion and destruction. You cannot win this war.

Please refer to the document entitled "New to NationStates? View these great threads!" in the NationStates forum. It contains helpful hints for beginning nations about how best to roleplay. Also, for future reference, please refer to the document entitled "FYI: What God-moding Is."

I suggest you take a moment to reconsider your priorities. A better pursuit for a new nation might be a diplomatic campaign, a focus on the sciences, a culture festival, or even the beginning of a space program. There are better things to do, after all, than spread death and destruction throughout the world.

*THIS ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE WMNK COALITION *



WMNK's roster boomed in the early days, and besides the GDODAD (at the time NS's largest alliance, with over 100 members....although most were not that active at all) it was one of the largest alliances around. Here is the old roster as of 5/27/03, you may notice some names on here that look familiar, particularly those on the current day moderation staff:

Praetor
Mallberta
Skager
Kitsylvania
Enodia
Kaenei
Alderania
Somtaaw
Wretchengard
Nargothrand
Parratoga
Tradewinds
Luporum
Sniper Country
Omnimperia
Celack
Fooplatington
Guandanno
Sephirus
Steel Butterfly
The SLAGLands
Reploid Productions
The Damned People
Sneaky Bastards
Maryu
James Adams
Aequatio
Mega Tau
Automagfreek
Mankind United
The Eastern Bloc
Arina
Jonscountry
Old Frankland
Saprazzan
Austar
The Eastern Hemisphere
B4kst4br
Haraki
Midnight Fenrir
Key of the Twilight
The Gung-Ho Guns
The Clans of Rage
Alhana Catherine
Seahawk
Sagesquagmire
Bastostan
Chair
Latin Confederation
Pax Polonia
SNATCHNIA
Laffin the Great
The Lowland Clans
Nikea
Ur an ass
Saam Gok
Neo-Wu

57 active members. And they were all active on the NS forums.

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Some of these nations are still around, but most aren't. Many NS legends made their way through this alliance, including:


Reploid Productions: Promoted to Game Administrator
The SLAGLands: Promoted to Game Moderator
Enodia: Promoted to Game Moderator
Praetor: The largest nation in NationStates
Kitsylvania: Originally one of the first people to sign up on NationStates
Parratoga: 'Goddess' of the General forum until her deletion
Sniper Country: RP legend
Steel Butterfly: RP legend
Automagfreek: RP legend

Some of those in the WMNK still RP to this day, although a lot have gone inactive or passed their nations on to other players.

Back in the day the WMNK was nothing to mess with. It was the only alliance to stand up to the GDODAD, who terrorized the boards for months with their unending campaigns of destruction. World War 4 and World War 5 saw an unofficial war between WMNK and GDODAD (official war wasn't declared, although a ton of members from both sides fought each other).

When [violet] selected moderators for NationStates, the players no longer saw a need for the WMNK. Several reforms were tried, but all failed a few weeks after their conception. Ask any existing WMNK member if they remember the time they spent in the alliance, and they will tell you yes. I've had ex members tell me that the WMNK was what peaked their interest in NS to begin with, and some of them have gone on to make names for themselves.....some have since died out from the game.

The WMNK forums still exist, and I am considering opening them up as 'read only', so those that have heard of this legendary alliance can see what went on behind the scenes. Although the board has it's share of bugs that I should fix before I do anything. Oh, the WMNK was the second alliance to ever use Invision Forums for an off-site place to organize, the GDODAD being the first.

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Now, down to business. There has been talk between Celack and myself, two of the very few remaining WMNK originals who still RP, about restarting WMNK. We have decided that we will change the 'N' from 'Noob' to 'Nation', therefore making it 'The War Mongering Nation Killer Coalition'. This would be most likely an anti-imperialist alliance, but we can try our hardest to make this is not the same run of the mill defensive alliance.

There are two years of history behind this alliance, and roughly two years after it's founding, I will again try to breathe life into WMNK. So what do you all say?

And to those who say this will be another 'AMF boot licking alliance', I say to you: you're wrong.

Yeah about the licking of AMf boots alliance. That's wrong! You'll be licking MY boots.


um..i'm not helping am I?


Anyways, we still will be helping n00bs with their rp's.

OCC:Well from what you've posted I'd say right around now it would be nice to help newer nations out and not just roll my eyes and hit back on my web browser. Besides getting to work beside some of the demi-gods of NS would be a enjoyable perk. So count me in.

Very interesting. I hope you have the best of luck re-establishing the WMNK. Although I came along after it ended, I still remember references to it in some older RPs.

Wait, I'm a demi-god of rping now?

Sweet!

I'llgrow up now.

AMF check your TGs, although it has little to do with this.

OOC: As a fellow RPer, while this concept does seem interesting, I still favor a change of the name from scratch. Even with a name such as "War Mongering Nation Killer Coalition", quite frankly, it still sounds OOCish and not like how the governments of different nations would ICly call themselves (either as a nation or alliance), and neither is there a clear definition of warmongering. As well, having experienced such myself, I'm less than optimistic about the prospect of this alliance being an "anti-imperalist" alliance, as the number of actions/wars that can be classified as "imperalist" in NS, is larger than the number of wars ever happened on Planet Earth IRL.

OOC: As a fellow RPer, while this concept does seem interesting, I still favor a change of the name from scratch. Even with a name such as "War Mongering Nation Killer Coalition", quite frankly, it still sounds OOCish and not like how the governments of different nations would ICly call themselves (either as a nation or alliance), and neither is there a clear definition of warmongering. As well, having experienced such myself, I'm less than optimistic about the prospect of this alliance being an "anti-imperalist" alliance, as the number of actions/wars that can be classified as "imperalist" in NS, is larger than the number of wars ever happened on Planet Earth IRL.


Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea. There are plenty of things in NationStates that real life governments would never do or think of doing, so that reason doesn't hold a lot of water.

This alliance will have both IC and OOC agendas: to act as a mutual defense alliance (plus more, this is just the foundation), and to coach newbies who want to learn the ropes.

OOC: I'm not outrightingly dismissing the idea, but rather I have some questions regarding this. To be honest though, since no one is actually stuck to the name for their duration in NS, it is still a wiser idea to perhaps tinker around with the name to make it sound a bit more "aesthetically" pleasing. Perhaps something that goes along the lines of "War" (perhaps "conflict", "warfare" or "imperalism" would be more sound). and "coalition" (maybe "N" could also mean "New" or something).

OOC: I'm not outrightingly dismissing the idea, but rather I have some questions regarding this. To be honest though, since no one is actually stuck to the name for their duration in NS, it is still a wiser idea to perhaps tinker around with the name to make it sound a bit more "aesthetically" pleasing.


Eh, I'm done with aesthetics, it's so cliche nowadays that I just want something totally different, and sticking to the historic name will give me that. I know it doesn't sound pretty, but with it's history and brand recognition among the older players, the old name (I think) would be much better.

The Eastern Bloc
Arina
Jonscountry
Old Frankland
Saprazzan
Austar
The Eastern Hemisphere
B4kst4br
Haraki
Midnight Fenrir
Key of the Twilight
The Gung-Ho Guns

Horrah! Fear Me!

Yes, 'the Republic of Austar', was the former version of the now known, 'Absolutionist State of Austar Union'. :)

Horrah! Fear Me!

Yes, 'the Republic of Austar', was the former version of the now known, 'Absolutionist State of Austar Union'. :)


Yup, there's still a few of us left. :)

Bump

Is it possible for anyone to join, or just the hardcore old guard?

Is it possible for anyone to join, or just the hardcore old guard?

OoC: I'd like to second that - and w00t! Ankhmet quoted me!

We hardly terrorised the place, more...
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Okay, maybe we did. But many WMNK members were also GDODAD members at one point or another.

Anyway, if you do restart this, I may be interested.

Ahh, The good ol' days, a return would be pretty kick-ass. If it's happening, then count me in.

I don't think it's necessary anymore. I think the stickies, the number of helpful RPers (including many former WMNK folks) and the general advancement of the times means that the classical n00b is a rare beast; hardly worth a whole alliance. Similarly, I think the time when ICly kicking nations asses for being OOCly noobish has also passed along with forum based nation-selling. IC and OOC should be separate.

Is it possible for anyone to join, or just the hardcore old guard?

You took the words right out of my mouth. I'd be interested in this resurgent alliance.

WMNK was officially formed in early April (possibly very late March, although I doubt it) of 2003, and saw it's first few members very quickly, including Steel Butterfly and The SLAGLands.

Steel Butterfly: RP legend

Oh, the WMNK was the second alliance to ever use Invision Forums for an offisite place to organize, the GDODAD being the first.

I quoted what was important. ;)

You also forgot to give me credit for the last thing. I created the first Invisionfree Forum on NationStates, http://invisionfree.com/forums/GDODAD/ :)

As for the re-awakening...well...due to my active involvement in GDODAD (I was its figurehead at one point) WMNK-SB relations weren't exactly peachy towards the end. Also, the fact that I'm an Empire of planets kinda excludes me from an anti-imperialist alliances.

I don't think it's necessary anymore. I think the stickies, the number of helpful RPers (including many former WMNK folks) and the general advancement of the times means that the classical n00b is a rare beast; hardly worth a whole alliance.

I can tell you don't frequent I.I. ;)


Similarly, I think the time when ICly kicking nations asses for being OOCly noobish has also passed along with forum based nation-selling. IC and OOC should be separate.


No no, we wouldn't invade for OOC reasons, the alliance would simply fucntion on both levels (IC and OOC), independent from each other. And it wouldn't be n00bs, it would be 'nations' instead. Say another Decisive Action or Kahta comes around (they made a ton of enemies ICly for what they did), alliances such as what the new IC WMNK will be will take care of that.

[OOC: I might be interested in this... but it depends on these things:

1) I dont really want it to turn into a n00b-bashing alliance - despite what I am sure will be good and genuine intentions of the leadership and many of the nations, I think this could happen and it will really just end up scaring off n00bs / make them not want to RP on NS if they do a fairly good aggressive RP (I know they're few and far between, but they do happen... search for posts by "Imperial Ionia" for example. I never found out what happened to him... anyway).

2) It might be used to crack down on veteran nations which commit aggressive acts. Of course, Im not in favour of random wars and attacks, but if there is a blanket supression of war imposed by a large alliance that wil inevitably cause resentment and further wars (ie NATO - despite the best intentions of all the members and the leadership, that turned into the centerpiece for what nearly became a world war, and NATO was mainly a mutual defence alliance - not an overtly offencive one).

3) IC and OOC could get muddled. Trying to help n00bs is all well and good, but attacking them for their random warmongering should be done in a different breath. Offering an official government statement telling them to read the stickies seems a little silly.

Anyway, it's rather late in Britain, so I'm going to stop typing and I apologise for any spelling or grammar mistakes.

I died, but I got better. ^_^

I think I was in one of the recreations of the WMNK. I would like a chance to be in it again.

April 2003 was the best. The UAAOT, GDODAD, WMNK...it was so much fun...

(damn, I'm really wanting to restart my anti-terrorism alliance, the UAAOT)

AMF I dont know much about you, or your ways, but just reading you posts have been a thrill in its self. so even though i am not one of the old members and am not a well known R.Per. I would like to be in this.

even though I was not in the WMNK or really active at that point I do remember the WMNK, and it is times like this that I remember how long even I have been around.

Well, while im still somewhat of a noob myself, (although Im not one to warmonger as I dont like to rp war) I would be thrilled if I were to be included in this, even if it is just for the ooc part.

On another note, AMF, not to try and piss you off, but there will always be those people/nations that see your name in an alliance and want to be in it, its part of being a "superstar" on these forums.

even though I was not in the WMNK or really active at that point I do remember the WMNK, and it is times like this that I remember how long even I have been around.

I feel you...lol

On another note, AMF, not to try and piss you off, but there will always be those people/nations that see your name in an alliance and want to be in it, its part of being a "superstar" on these forums.

He's right about that, and every time I've come back, it's gotten worse. AMF, choose carefully.

yes please choose carfully.

I'm glad to see that some of the older players would like to see this happen. And yes, I will choose carefully. I've created countless alliances, and I think I'm pretty much at the state now where I know what will work and what will not work.

I remember back then. If I remember right, the WMNK didn't do their jobs with me, and it was Arda and ToY that took me down. You guys slacked :)

I remember back then. If I remember right, the WMNK didn't do their jobs with me, and it was Arda and ToY that took me down. You guys slacked :)


But Operation: Righteous Smackdown did the trick. ;)

Might i be able to join this alliance?

Tag: My identity will become relevant later

Hmmm... Seems my name slipped through the cracks on that list, even though I participated in the destruction of two n00bs with other WMNK members and decimated another on my own, then left the nation to be occupied by two other n00bs. hehe

Probably wasn't included as I wasn't a member of teh off-site forum, I guess. But hey, I was on WebTV. *shudders* That's right... I was not only suffering through the old derver, I was suffering through the old server on WebTV, a modem hooked to a TV that can only show one window. That is how much I love this place.

Anyway... sorry this post is late, but I was digging deep into the deepy deep depths of II and stumbled on it. If the WMNK gets going again, count me in. I'd love to give the smackdown to those deserving again. The fact that the GDODAD is back(though dissappointingly dormant) is great, but the WMNK reforming as well? Someone please stop me from doing a jig.

Hey whats up? Most of you probibly dont remember me, but I started my RP career with the WMNK.
After that, I pretty much left the forums and went on to be in regional orgs such as ACC, TNM, ADN, ect. the list gos on.
But if the WMNK is coming back, sign me up. My RP skills are still as good as they used to be, and I enjoy doing it.

Tag: My identity will become relevant later
That was me, I had an e-mail problem with neo-wu, and i felt like being mystical (cloud of smoke)

anyhow, if your reforming, im interested so count me in, and if your not, that sucks

peace

OOC: Am interested, but would like more information.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

This is cool. Good luck with this.

EDIT: Never mind.

Hey whats up? Most of you probibly dont remember me, but I started my RP career with the WMNK.
After that, I pretty much left the forums and went on to be in regional orgs such as ACC, TNM, ADN, ect. the list gos on.
But if the WMNK is coming back, sign me up. My RP skills are still as good as they used to be, and I enjoy doing it.
How can we forget the name B4kst4br? I thought you were DEET months ago...

Nope, Iv just been hiding, thats all. you have to when your doin regional work, or at leaste the work I do.
Any way... how you doin crimmond? I havent seen you for a while.

Outside of wondering if the WMNK is coming back... just trying to get back the fun I used to have RPing in the old days. With so many old faces, it's easier.

The reformation of the WMNK? Count me in, if you want.

The reformation of the WMNK? Count me in, if you want.

I'd not mind joining, AMF, I was around near the end of it but never joined.

Automagfreek: RP legend

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Lol, modist isn't he.

Lol, modist isn't he.


When most of the community says it.....

I don't like the look of this alliance. I think it's the kind of thing that would invade me just for making nuclear weapons. Well, I'm glad I have a lot of powerful nations behind me anyway.

PS Who is Automagfreek and why is he an RP legend?

I don't like the look of this alliance. I think it's the kind of thing that would invade me just for making nuclear weapons. Well, I'm glad I have a lot of powerful nations behind me anyway.

PS Who is Automagfreek and why is he an RP legend?


Im pretty sure you couldn't have enough nations to take down the WMNK

PS here is what you do, search thread author and search Automagfreek, and then read some of his posts, and then you'll know why. If you have to ask who AMF is, you are defenitly a n00b

Since, from what I read, the alliance does not exist anymore, I don't think I'd need any nations at all to "take it down". And I really can't be bothered to read loads of posts... you could just tell me, or TG me or something. It would be apreciated.

Don't forget to say 90% (wild guess) of the WMNK is dead or inactive. And yes, killing all new players who step out the line is setting a great example for new players. Most of the old veteran players are considered the rolemodels of II or NS. Back then, before moderation existed, it was a good tool to blast nations off NS who caused trouble. Now it doesn't work anymore.

If you have to ask who AMF is, you are defenitly a n00bSays the player who calls propaganda godmodding.

Don't forget to say 90% (wild guess) of the WMNK is dead or inactive. And yes, killing all new players who step out the line is setting a great example for new players. Most of the old veteran players are considered the rolemodels of II or NS. Back then, before moderation existed, it was a good tool to blast nations off NS who caused trouble. Now it doesn't work anymore.

Says the player who calls propaganda godmodding.

Considering the fact that it wasn't stated OOCly that it was propaganda what did you expect me to say

And no the WMNK is not an alliance, I was refering to the fact if it were reformed. I wouldn't say 90% maybe closer to 75, but i don't know

Don't forget to say 90% (wild guess) of the WMNK is dead or inactive. And yes, killing all new players who step out the line is setting a great example for new players. Most of the old veteran players are considered the rolemodels of II or NS. Back then, before moderation existed, it was a good tool to blast nations off NS who caused trouble. Now it doesn't work anymore.



I can already tell you haven't read the thread.

The purpose for the WMNK was to help and coach the new players that were willing to learn the ropes and become better RPers. This was first and foremost, and it was our #1 objective.

The second objective was to handle the 'other' nations in and IC manner that would benefit the IC world. Nations like Hataria would probably fall under th WMNK's crosshairs nowadays, for rampant warmongering and so on. The WMNK would handle such problem nations so that the rest of the IC world would be at ease.

OOCly, we would attempt to help said n00b, but if it was hopeless a hard ignore would be placed on them. I see all these threads floating around about how II roleplay sucks and is filled with n00bs, and I say to you all that WMNK was the answer back in the day, and it can be the answer now.

There are plenty of good new RPers out there who deserve a chance, and WMNK is what gave A LOT of new RPers their shot back in the day. I think it is an excellent idea and would benefit the community both ICly and OOCly.

I agree with Guffingford. Obliterating small nations with masses and masses of "good" RPers doesn't see like the best way of getting people into NS properly. If this thing attacked me I'd probably just ignore it.

(...)Ah I see. Well if it's a gathering of nations dedicated to help the new player in a friendly manner, go for it I say. But if nations godmod, doesn't mean they can't write. Although I'm not really in the know Allanea is a good writer but a godmodder. Now in his case I'd agree with the WMNK doing something about him, but a nation like Hataria - who really improved his writing and roleplays as a whole, deserve a second chance. If players persist in calling him a godmodder in spite of the obvious positive changes, then the WMNK should do something likewise to them.

I agree with Guffingford. Obliterating small nations with masses and masses of "good" RPers doesn't see like the best way of getting people into NS properly. If this thing attacked me I'd probably just ignore it.


:rolleyes:

Read the above post first.

I'm not interested in being taught how to RP by my "betters", I'm happy Rping my own nation - an overnationalistic pseudo-Socialist state trying to turn itself into an island fortress.

I'm not interested in being taught how to RP by my "betters", I'm happy Rping my own nation - an overnationalistic pseudo-Socialist state trying to turn itself into an island fortress.


Then I believe further posting by you in this thread is not necessary.

agreed

Having read the thread I will just state a few points I am concerned about:

1. The idea of attacking warmongering/imperialistic nations (which is most of NS/II), considering your potential membership (Old NATO members and people like Xeraph (meaning no offence) tend to start wars OOC or IC (or have done in the past). Also your own nations character AMF is quite warmongering (from what material i've read of yours). I would ask how an alliance for the purposes you've outlined can possibly do what you are talking about without it being very OOC reasoning wise rather than IC, since most of your members are warmongering imperialist nations IC

2. The 'reformed' WMNK could possibly just turn into another NATO style alliance but one which is far more miltant than the later igniting a load of recently buried differences. I can easily see this alliance causing a World War in II (hopefully a well organised one), and in probability I would be on the otherside (not that I mind, since I would RPing with some of your prospective member base) but being realistic it would just turn into an ignore fest (again).

3. What tech would this be? I assume a combo of FT/PMT/MT with only members from the opponents tech level being used on them?

4. I would suggust to you, AMF (and whoever is reforming this) that you accept on the basis of RP ability not on any OOC basis.

I would like to join the WMNK Coalition, hopefuly.

I would like to join the WMNK Coalition, hopefuly.

Why dont you read first Hataria:

The second objective was to handle the 'other' nations in and IC manner that would benefit the IC world. Nations like Hataria would probably fall under th WMNK's crosshairs nowadays, for rampant warmongering and so on. The WMNK would handle such problem nations so that the rest of the IC world would be at ease.

I hope that gives you an idea of how your application will be handled.

Also, have you started choosing who will be allowed into the alliance AMF? Because if you have, and I wasn't chosen then I will just quit reading into this post.

On second thought....I better not join.

Having read the thread I will just state a few points I am concerned about:

1. The idea of attacking warmongering/imperialistic nations (which is most of NS/II), considering your potential membership (Old NATO members and people like Xeraph (meaning no offence) tend to start wars OOC or IC (or have done in the past). Also your own nations character AMF is quite warmongering (from what material i've read of yours). I would ask how an alliance for the purposes you've outlined can possibly do what you are talking about without it being very OOC reasoning wise rather than IC, since most of your members are warmongering imperialist nations IC

OOC the reasoning is helping new players or bad RPers. If they refuse to learn, either ignore them or declare war(for IC reasons, mind you... there's allways some)

IC it would be another military alliance to crush nations.

2. The 'reformed' WMNK could possibly just turn into another NATO style alliance but one which is far more miltant than the later igniting a load of recently buried differences. I can easily see this alliance causing a World War in II (hopefully a well organised one), and in probability I would be on the otherside (not that I mind, since I would RPing with some of your prospective member base) but being realistic it would just turn into an ignore fest (again).

It could turn into another NATO. But it won't. A world war? Doubtfull... the last one ended too poorly for anyone to try that scale again. Been allmost a year now.

3. What tech would this be? I assume a combo of FT/PMT/MT with only members from the opponents tech level being used on them?

Most likely.

4. I would suggust to you, AMF (and whoever is reforming this) that you accept on the basis of RP ability not on any OOC basis.

I know AMF's way of forming alliances, more or less, being in three with him lately. He allways chooses on RP ability, mixed with a little 'when was the last time you pissed me off IC?'

Having read the thread I will just state a few points I am concerned about:

1. The idea of attacking warmongering/imperialistic nations (which is most of NS/II), considering your potential membership (Old NATO members and people like Xeraph (meaning no offence) tend to start wars OOC or IC (or have done in the past). Also your own nations character AMF is quite warmongering (from what material i've read of yours). I would ask how an alliance for the purposes you've outlined can possibly do what you are talking about without it being very OOC reasoning wise rather than IC, since most of your members are warmongering imperialist nations IC

1. Most of what you say is classic misinformation. For over 2 years now the IC nation of Automagfreek has had a 'don't fuck with us, we won't fuck with you' policy. I know the older nations know this for fact (Euroslavia has refered back to this policy of mine many a time), but I'm afraid the thread in which it was stated in hasn't seen the first page of II in months. Other than defending an ally or an alliance I'm in, when has been the last time you've seen me make a first strike?

2. The 'reformed' WMNK could possibly just turn into another NATO style alliance but one which is far more miltant than the later igniting a load of recently buried differences. I can easily see this alliance causing a World War in II (hopefully a well organised one), and in probability I would be on the otherside (not that I mind, since I would RPing with some of your prospective member base) but being realistic it would just turn into an ignore fest (again).

2. Another misconception. What do you mean by a 'NATO style alliance'? NATO is a set up to be a democratic style alliance that looks out for the best interests of its members. Excluding what happened between NATO and Decisive Action and the long standing feud between the RWC, when was the last time you saw NATO make a first strike?

I agree with Crimmond, a World War will probably never happen again (although WW4 and WW5 were a friggin' BLAST to take part in). I can easily forsee a vast amount of II Rpers in the reformed WMNK if all goes as I have planned out in my head.

3. What tech would this be? I assume a combo of FT/PMT/MT with only members from the opponents tech level being used on them?

3. All techs will be welcome, but due to this site being Free Form RP, anyone is welcome to ignore any tech level as they see fit. If a MT nation only wants to do diplomatic or character RP with a FT nation and not war, that's up to them. Anyone will be welcome.

4. I would suggust to you, AMF (and whoever is reforming this) that you accept on the basis of RP ability not on any OOC basis.

4. People will be let in on both an RP and OOC basis. If someone is honestly trying their best OOCly and may be lacking a bit ICly, we will take them under our wing provided they are willing to learn. I know a large number of those on the original WMNK roster developed their RP skills thanks to being in the alliance. A lot of guys (and girls) got their start because of WMNK, and that's something I'm proud of and want to continue.

You know, there's one particular nation who declined membership to the original WMNK who would be great for the alliance now... *cough*

Back in the days before NationStates had moderators, there was the WMNK Coalition. Thought up by myself after the first Perrier Huh. I thought Slaggy was a co-founder.

<list>Wuf. I remember bunches of names there. Especially TDP. Man... whatever happened to Nik?

Reploid Productions: Promoted to Game AdministratorForum Admin, mate ;)

Parratoga: 'Goddess' of the General forum until her deletionNah, she quit when the forums dragged before the Jolt move.

The WMNK forums still exist, and I am considering opening them up as 'read only', so those that have heard of this legendary alliance can see what went on behind the scenes.Whoa, now that would be interesting.

I have desided to join The WMNK Coalition, oh and Nascent. never try to talk me out of it again.

I have desided to join The WMNK Coalition, oh and Nascent. never try to talk me out of it again.


Your really undecisive, I say you make up your own mind. And you have not "decided to join" you have decided to put in your application to join.

I have desided to join The WMNK Coalition, oh and Nascent. never try to talk me out of it again.
I thought it said good Rpers and non-Godmodders...

Nik? He just sorta faded away after the League of Extordinary Gentleman and Ladies threads.

I have desided to join The WMNK Coalition, oh and Nascent. never try to talk me out of it again.

OOC: Dont make me laugh.

Anyway, you just completely ignore the post I quoted from AMF did you. Well, if you didnt understand what he was saying Ill give a little paraphrase.

AMF was stating that the alliance was to help those new players and the players that like to godmod and so forth (this is when he used the nation of Hataria as an example). And if those nations refused to learn, much like you have over the past year (although you have made minimal progress) then they would be wiped from the face of nationstates by the IC part of the alliance.

I hope that clears any misconceptions about what that quote was saying Hataria.

Huh. I thought Slaggy was a co-founder.

I came up with the original concept, Slag and Steel were the first two 'co-founders' who helped me get it off the ground.

Wuf. I remember bunches of names there. Especially TDP. Man... whatever happened to Nik?

Like Crimm said, Nik kinda faded away...quite sad actually, he was a great guy. :(

Forum Admin, mate ;)

My mistake.

Nah, she quit when the forums dragged before the Jolt move.

My mistake again. ;) Although I could have sworn she got banned at least once....

Whoa, now that would be interesting.

Already working on it! :)

The board is very buggy though, because it was made back when Invision was still small time. It has its share of problems that I'm trying to clean up before I disclose the link and open it up.

OOC: Dont make me laugh.

Anyway, you just completely ignore the post I quoted from AMF did you. Well, if you didnt understand what he was saying Ill give a little paraphrase.

AMF was stating that the alliance was to help those new players and the players that like to godmod and so forth (this is when he used the nation of Hataria as an example). And if those nations refused to learn, much like you have over the past year (although you have made minimal progress) then they would be wiped from the face of nationstates by the IC part of the alliance.

I hope that clears any misconceptions about what that quote was saying Hataria.

I will Join, and I am learning from Parthia and NTG.

1. Most of what you say is classic misinformation. For over 2 years now the IC nation of Automagfreek has had a 'don't fuck with us, we won't fuck with you' policy. I know the older nations know this for fact (Euroslavia has refered back to this policy of mine many a time), but I'm afraid the thread in which it was stated in hasn't seen the first page of II in months. Other than defending an ally or an alliance I'm in, when has been the last time you've seen me make a first strike?

Errr... the Dumpsterdam Emperor thing that died due to 'issues'... that was your call to be aggressive on (i.e. not giving back his Emperor).

I was merely pointing out the sort of nation you run would be really quite aggressive to a point, which was why I said as such (even if you don't do this for X or Y reason the point still stands).


2. Another misconception. What do you mean by a 'NATO style alliance'?


As in alliance which causes OOC and IC contention/problems between players (major ones usually). I am not denying the RWC isn't the same, just making a point :).


NATO is a set up to be a democratic style alliance that looks out for the best interests of its members.

The ex-members say differently (the opposite in fact), but we can let sleeping dogs lie about that one can't we.

Excluding what happened between NATO and Decisive Action and the long standing feud between the RWC, when was the last time you saw NATO make a first strike?

Don't remember you really fighting with anyone else as an alliance, but then again I am not all that great at remembering what happened months ago.

I can easily forsee a vast amount of II Rpers in the reformed WMNK if all goes as I have planned out in my head.

I would say that it would be better to make it good RPers alliance (or willing learners) or something rather than a standard NS alliance bloc, since that will only cause an antagonistic bloc to form (see NATO vs RWC). Unless the two blocs co-operate OOC then it will never resolve into any decent RPs (partly due to the usual massive egos on one or both sides IMO).

Here it is, the long lost WMNK forums.

A great deal of the forum is very buggy back when InvisionFree's servers got scrambled. There is a problem with the posts where everything before a certain date is stuck in alphabetical order by poster, and I have done everything possible to try and fix this.....but I can't.

So, here you have it. Feel free to browse, but I locked out all the forums except the 'Reformation' one.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/WMNK_Coalition

*This is not a bump*

go to the site mentioned in the previous post by AMF, I would prefer that if we were to reform, that we do it in a timely and efficient manner. Thank you.