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OOC: Why I'm I doing this, well there is one reason and one reason alone. Revenge, the ESUS or should I say an ESUS member has caused great offence to me. Jordaxia (who i was going to invade but i can no longer be bothered) is bringing my wrath upon the ESUS and I assure my former "friends" that all their secrets will be revealed upon Nationstates. I assure my fellow nations that their plotting will be given to you straight up, here and now. First on the list is an ESUS plot, which is still in the works to destroy the Trimative of Yutt

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:57 am Post subject: Things have been a little stagnant lately....


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I'm wondering if anyone but myself has noticed how things are stagnating on both NS and the ESUS forums. I hope it picks up soon. Also, with Mindset leaving here it does not look to good.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:14 am Post subject:


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ive noticed ESUS activeity on NS is diwndaling, befor we seemed to be the defenders of all races during the Shivan wars and a bit after that the number 1 allaince in Space but now...well the other nations seemed to be fighting amungst themselves and i think that meny people dont know what to do. we need something to bring the ESUS back something that can be one of 2 things, the ESUS go on a major Offensive and attacks any and all or something pops up that makes us need to heed the call of the Defenders of the Sentiate life. that or it is really the end of the ESUS
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:16 am Post subject:


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We need to kill something.

First we need to do an all out offensive on the Shivans. Then, once that threat is eliminated, we should go after the GE. After that...err...kill Xenos?
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:22 am Post subject:


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well could kill the shivans but meh, thats old news tho the Xeno idea dont sound bad i still say we should go on the offensive on something elce maby start a Galatic wide War.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:08 am Post subject:


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I'm ready for taking on someone. And my military continues to expand.

I'm in the middle of dealing with Terrasot, and soon I'll be having the first of a series of wars between DLE and Sarkaraseta. It should be interesting to see.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:05 am Post subject:


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I'm currently in AOs Demon War and raising my pirate nation to supremacy, but I'm sure another war won't hurt...
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:47 am Post subject:


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OH drop it people, mobilise everything and go out and conquer the galaxy. If you cant be the galaxies greatest alliance, why not own it all.

You want excitment, stir things up yourself.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:13 am Post subject:


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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
We need to kill something.

First we need to do an all out offensive on the Shivans. Then, once that threat is eliminated, we should go after the GE. After that...err...kill Xenos?


The "new" Shivans, you mean? I guess. Though I would have little qualm on taking out the Galactic Empire. On your final suggestion I fail to agree, however.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:18 am Post subject:


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Well, here's one for some fun:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390202

Assuming you consider them worthy of attacking...

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:26 am Post subject:


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Eh... they want to give us cheese? That is what I got out of it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:44 am Post subject:


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They want us to invade them, kill their entire population, and divide the nation as spoils. Perfect opportunity for me to test out a few of my new ships. See how well they do when they face the DLE Swarms.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject:


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Here's Terrasot:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388479

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject:


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I say we claim administrative authority over Sol, the homesystem of humankind and no doubt the largest trading hub.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:00 pm Post subject:


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Hmm...That would work. We'd get on the ToY's shitlist though, and I'm not sure we should make more enemies before we've killed off our current ones.

Edit: I am all for attacking the Triumverate at some point though.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject:


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The ToY is part of the reason I suggested that. That arrogant bunch thinks they own Sol.
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howzabout we just blow the Triumverate up... reason? "because we can."

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject:


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Heh. To add insult to injury, we could blow up Sol or wipe out Earth...

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:


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Well, the ESUS itself isn't likly to go out and start nuking folks; we've too many 'nice guy' nations to get the needed majority. But that doesn't mean a couple of ESUS nations and their friends couldn't get together and do it.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:

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Well, I could always pull an attack on Earth using Sarkaraseta. I already have a corporation devoted to blowing up Earths if you prefer DLE.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject:


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Claiming to blow up Sol or the Earth generally results in mass-ignore and random insults upon your inteligence, as it's essentially the heart of the NSverse'; for OOC reasons, it's essentially immune to such attacks.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:


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Mostly it was a joke about the massive Earth [something] that kept comming up.

edit: But, seriously, an attack on Earth (as long as it is understood to be FT only and that said attack is just an attempt to start a war) would be enough to provoke a war. And I know exactly how to get it started.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:


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But who on Earth would you be attacking? Most of FT seems to be atleast partially based on the planet, including myself and other ESUS members.

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject:


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I still don't see the point of some kind of war just for showing that we're still active as an alliance. What is it to other people anyway whether we stick our noses into every little thing or not? I say, if something comes up that has promise, go for it. If we just start to be active for its own sake then what'll that prove? And I don't think we're particularly inactive on these forums.

still, meh to all y'all.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:


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Ooh, I'll commit my entire fleet to killing to ToY.

In fact, I can get you every starship in Metus if we go after the Trimvirate. Currently Sol is at a standstill because the ToY is slightly more powerful than Metus in space, but we pwn them with ground forces. ESUS+Metus could kick their ass.
Well, okay, so ESUS alone could, but it'd be an easier fight.

Edit; for those of you who don't know who/what Metus is, it's the alliance of the remainder of the infamous GDODAD and Arda (of Melkor Unchained fame)

Second Edit; Okay, so a joint operation with Metus may not entirely relevant to showing we're still active and powerful, but it's just a thought.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject:


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The ESUS itself won't act unless unless attacked; it's pretty much in the alliance's nature(which is rather ironic, considering the accusations of imperialism). What you'd want to do is get interested members to form the core of a coalition to meet your desired end.

For example, find out what members are interested in going after ToY, then, if it's a big project, like going after ToY, aproach trusted allies and other parties with a known interest, like Metus, to expand the avalible forces. After that, create an allied war plan and have at it.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:


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Who can I attack? Simple. ICly, Sarkaraseta knows nothing about DLE or Earth. After all, they come from a different one. They meet up with DLE, have a small war that causes them to lose a colony, and decide to attack. They go to where they think DLE came from, notice Earth, and do a few hit-and-run attacks on as much as they can in the system. Those not allied with me will know them to be Sarkarasetans, implicating my country is guilty of it, while those allied with me will know the ships use technology I don't have, thus implicating it isn't me. Those who think it is me will attack, I'll call on the rest of you to help defend (after all, in that case I'm being attacked for something I didn't do), and we have a war on.

I've even begun to design the ships of Sarkaraseta.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:


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Hmmmmm... well, seeing as my entire civilization doesn't come from Earth at all (supposedly - legend and fact obscure so much) destroying it wouldn't affect us too much - it's just that Earth culture was adopted, so we would still oppose destroying the planet.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:21 am Post subject:


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Hmm... Well, if you'd like, I could use what I was planning to do as Neo-Mekanta, starting R&D on something really big and new, and while I'm taking a break from my break, use Mekanta as an inciting incident for war... ^_^

Alternately, since I was considering pulling Mekanta out of ESUS and having Neo-Mekanta apply, (*GASP!!*) the Neos could be the inciting factor...
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:26 am Post subject:


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Neo-Mekanta in the ESUS...

*cries for the CAGE*
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Neo-Mekanta
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:29 am Post subject:


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Oh, considering I was going to propose a mutual non-aggression pact between CAGE and ESUS as a whole, promising that disputes between the two alliances' members wouldn't drag the whole alliance in, and CAGE was based on ESUS principles anyway...
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That they do, those bastards.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:29 am Post subject:


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Being on earth, and having assets in the Sol system I think that this is a bad idea.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:04 am Post subject:


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Kanuckistan wrote:
The ESUS itself won't act unless unless attacked; it's pretty much in the alliance's nature(which is rather ironic, considering the accusations of imperialism). What you'd want to do is get interested members to form the core of a coalition to meet your desired end.

For example, find out what members are interested in going after ToY, then, if it's a big project, like going after ToY, aproach trusted allies and other parties with a known interest, like Metus, to expand the avalible forces. After that, create an allied war plan and have at it.


ToY can be pwned by the ESUS alone, but having Metus helping is always good...
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CorpSac
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject:


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who the Frack is ToY and how the Frack can anyone claim sol? i always was told it was a BIG no no ignoreirio thing (hence the reason i ignore claims of the entire of sol).
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Triumvirate of Yut.

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The Emperor Fenix
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:00 am Post subject:


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I ToY are possibly not the most wise of choices to attack.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:08 am Post subject:


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The Emperor Fenix wrote:
I ToY are possibly not the most wise of choices to attack.

We would crush them without Metus, and as I said I can get every member with a spacefleet, which is a lot.

And think of the respect we'd get...
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err none, what would crushing the triumviate of yut do for us, barely any of the new people know about them and the old people know they dont do much as a unit. Now if you were to take the Sol System and the ToY in the process then youd impress everyone. Plus id quite like earth for my next Okyto, i still have an old territorial claim from MT that i could ask for.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:56 am Post subject:


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The Emperor Fenix wrote:
err none, what would crushing the triumviate of yut do for us, barely any of the new people know about them and the old people know they dont do much as a unit. Now if you were to take the Sol System and the ToY in the process then youd impress everyone. Plus id quite like earth for my next Okyto, i still have an old territorial claim from MT that i could ask for.

Well we could do that, but the Triumvirate will pose the main opposition, barring the Earth-based space nations, one of which happens to be me, so if you're wanting to take over the entire planet, I get to keep my turf.
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Well ive got a new Character who might want it, itd become a utopia planet anyway so you could even cede your land to me under stewardship
itd be fun...
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:50 am Post subject:


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My land is my land, now get the hell off my land!
This land isn't your land, so get the hell off of my land!
This land is my land, now get the hell off my land!



Annexing Sol could be a great idea. We'd crush the ToY and ensure that their brand of solar security vanishes with the receding tide of power.

But all the Sol based ESUS members would of course keep their land.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:53 am Post subject:


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We shouldn't take Sol, people wouldn't like that at all and be bitches and /ignore, even if we did it legitimately. Claiming administrative authority over trade and law enforcement in system would be much more realistic, and acceptable.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:00 am Post subject:


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Penguenia wrote:
We shouldn't take Sol, people wouldn't like that at all and be bitches and /ignore, even if we did it legitimately. Claiming administrative authority over trade and law enforcement in system would be much more realistic, and acceptable.


We are thinking the same thought. I don't care about territory in sol, It's just that I'm sick of the damned ToY enforcing their laws upon solar system dwellers.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:06 am Post subject:


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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
Penguenia wrote:
We shouldn't take Sol, people wouldn't like that at all and be bitches and /ignore, even if we did it legitimately. Claiming administrative authority over trade and law enforcement in system would be much more realistic, and acceptable.


We are thinking the same thought. I don't care about territory in sol, It's just that I'm sick of the damned ToY enforcing their laws upon solar system dwellers.

Me too, except I happen to be one of them, who fought bravely to repel them when they tried to quell the Earth-based resistance...
But we'd need FTLi. When we tried a counterattack on the WorldDisc the hyperspaced into a nebula somewhere.

And what's worse, much of the ToY are elves...
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Penguenia wrote:
Elves? Even more reason to enslave them.

Precisely my point...
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The Silver Turtle wrote:
Penguenia wrote:
Elves? Even more reason to enslave them.

Precisely my point...


Elves are the best pleasure givers in the known universe...

Of course, you've got to be really careful. They're firey and will revolt if you don't know what you're doing. Too many young slavers these days don't know this, adn it's those guys who have to put down the slave revolts...

But I digress.

How does their FTL technology work? I may have or be able to develop something to nullify it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:09 am Post subject:


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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
The Silver Turtle wrote:
Penguenia wrote:
Elves? Even more reason to enslave them.

Precisely my point...


Elves are the best pleasure givers in the known universe...

Of course, you've got to be really careful. They're firey and will revolt if you don't know what you're doing. Too many young slavers these days don't know this, adn it's those guys who have to put down the slave revolts...

But I digress.

How does their FTL technology work? I may have or be able to develop something to nullify it.

If I knew that, it wouldn't be as big a problem would it?
I think it's just that general "hyperspace" with no expanditure behind it.

Angelus is the one who controls the Worlddisc, where a large number of the ToY nations live, and the problem is they are an AI nation and thusly the Worlddisc has a ridiculously fast response time; if they were to be distributed they would firstly need to be done by an ESUS nation neutral to them so as not to arouse suspicion and secondly be difficult to detect, because if we send a massive assault fleet they'd look for ways to run. Their fleets might fight, but the 'Disc would run, and if we were to claim Sol, it is that that would pose the main threat to us, because it would facilitate their return to challenge us. Plus we'd have to blow up Titan, desolate a significant portion of Mars, and a good number of Jupiter's moons.

And I'd suggest picking a fight with the ToY and only the ToY, at the start at least. Give various assurances that we mean no harm to anyone else.
That way, we deal with the most powerful and organised resistance, while the rest sit back and let it happen. Then we kill/subdue them. A bit blackhearted, but it should prove tactically sound.
And after Sol...The galaxy!

Edit; Pardon the meglomania...
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I see. Well...That's something. If they don't want to explain how their FTL works, we don't have to explain how our FTLi works.

But an AI nation you say? Hmm...hmm...hmm...

What if we open up the campaign against the Triumverate with an all or nothing strike on the world disc? Come in unexpected and utterly crush them?

Hmm...Or perhaps we should try more *alternative* tactics? If the world disk runs whenever you get close to it, how about we *don't* get close to it? What I'm thinking is we infiltrate it with sleeper agents equipped with virus bombs, to spread panic amongst the discers. Then, when the authority's attention is drawn away, we zap in our fleet and crush them?

Or as an alternative to virus bombs, how about some other form of WMD?

Hmm...Or how about this? The ToY is all lovey duvey with the Elves, right? So if were to...say...have a few million elves forced to leave home in exile, they would take them in, right?

We could seed certain elvish refugees with some form of WMD, or even give them subliminal orders to sabotage the Disk's FTL drive?
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First we would need to establish a new organization – the Transystem Authority for Interstellar Trade - seeing as all of the ESUS wouldn't want to be involved, and it looks more professional than a loose alliance of nations. In its charter we include the mandate to administrate member nation's space lanes, as well as Sol's space lanes.

People will object, and we will enforce the law of our new galactic order. Everyone would have an opportunity to join, of course, to alleviate conflict if possible.

Let them keep whatever space station they have. I, at least, am not looking to destroy anyone's alliance, but make them submit to a higher authority.
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*cough*

AI nations indeed... pointedly stares at his nation title.

I can deal with AIs if Crassuss isnt the greatest AI in the universe no-one is.

As for Elves... go Elves.
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Yes!

To what?
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Yes!

To what?


To Penguenia.

In addition, be careful of assuming such lables as 'best' to your AI character. You never know when somebody will decide to one-up you.

Edit: I'm not specifically looking to utterly destroy the ToY either, it's just that I suspect that we're going to have to. That I get to enslave/kill off a huge number of Xenos is a great motivation.
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Stop with the wanting to kill loads of Xenos, it offends my large Xeno population.

As for assigning the term Best to Crassuss, i cant think of a way of making him any better, he truly is the best i can make him without being able to use the force or TK becaus ethey dont exist in Okyto.
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Another possibility is that one of us discovers a large Elf or Xeno Empire while exploring deep space and we go on a campaign to cleanse/inslave it. That should piss some people off.
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Another possibility is that one of us discovers a large Elf or Xeno Empire while exploring deep space and we go on a campaign to cleanse/inslave it. That should piss some people off.


That's even better! And it would actually make sense too!
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AIs? I use those on pretty much all of my ships, and in my case they'll barely detect me before I'm on top of them. People tend to ignore minor gravitational anomalies. At least, until they discover the minor gravitational anomalies are also a sign of my FTL drives, usually when it's too late to run from the fleet that just appeared.

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I prefer "liberating" earth from the ToY oppressors.
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Wait... If so many ESUS nations (Including myself) have at least part of their territory on Earth, why not use said members Earth-based Resources to incite rebellion against the ToY, I'm sure we could convince a few others. But anyway, the point would be, once they attacked us to "Quell the Rebellion" we would be able to invoke the alliances war-support clause, and go from there.

Or, -after reading their entry on NSwiki-, we could approach them with a insaitiable demand (Ex. We demand exclusive control over the Inner Sol Spacelanes), as they first attempt to solve through diplomacy, and then resort to "Controlled" violence, which I'm sure could escalate into full-blown war.

Or, just to be blantantly obvious, as CF said, we could launch an overwhelming attack on their Command Center (HQ, Administrative Center, etc.) and disorganize their forces.

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Well I have a heavy military presence in Jupiter, so I can get within weapons range without arousing (much) suspicion.

The only problem with the large Elf Empire is that, though it will piss them off, it is unlikely that they'll try to kill us for it, and merely try to save some refugees. Bloody peaceful elves, why I oughta...
But the fact remains, if we want to do anything in Sol the Triumvirate will have to go, since the system is practically under their control, they just hardly enforce it and Metus is the only thing powerful enough to hold them at bay...
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Though I'm not totally sold on the wholesale slaughter of elves, I am still curious: just how did elves take control of Terra Prime eh? Especially, of course, if humans are superior anyway... if you follow that kind of logic.
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Arizona Nova wrote:
Though I'm not totally sold on the wholesale slaughter of elves, I am still curious: just how did elves take control of Terra Prime eh? Especially, of course, if humans are superior anyway... if you follow that kind of logic.

They're not entirely in control of it. They live on Titan, Metus on Earth, and so all the billions of humans on Earth remain free from Elven Opression because of the brave fighting men and women of The Ineffable Empire and it's allies, thousands, nay millions of whom have died defending Earth time and again whenever the Triumvirate attempts to seize total control by crushing all resistance. Time and again we have fought the Elven Menace, and time and again we have barely escaped with our freedom.
We keep much of their kind off the planet, but we cannot wipe them from the system altogether. While our fighting men and women are numerous, our ships are less so. While we can keep their ortillery at bay, there is little else we can do. We have not the power to eradicate them from the planet entirely.
But with the help of our powerful allies in the ESUS, perhaps we stand a chance.
Perhaps, we shall be free...
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They're not entirely in control of it. They live on Titan, Metus on Earth, and so all the billions of humans on Earth remain free from Elven Opression because of the brave fighting men and women of The Ineffable Empire and it's allies, thousands, nay millions of whom have died defending Earth time and again whenever the Triumvirate attempts to seize total control by crushing all resistance. Time and again we have fought the Elven Menace, and time and again we have barely escaped with our freedom.
We keep much of their kind off the planet, but we cannot wipe them from the system altogether. While our fighting men and women are numerous, our ships are less so. While we can keep their ortillery at bay, there is little else we can do. We have not the power to eradicate them from the planet entirely.
But with the help of our powerful allies in the ESUS, perhaps we stand a chance.
Perhaps, we shall be free...


LOL! I was listening to a boisterous, heroic, sci-fi march while I read that. Awesome awesomeicity.
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*snipping my post for size*


LOL! I was listening to a boisterous, heroic, sci-fi march while I read that. Awesome awesomeicity.

*grins*
That's the effect I was going for...though I was listening to Keane while I wrote it
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Central Facehuggeria wrote:

Elves are the best pleasure givers in the known universe...

Of course, you've got to be really careful. They're firey and will revolt if you don't know what you're doing. Too many young slavers these days don't know this, adn it's those guys who have to put down the slave revolts...



Ya know, there are certain organizations within Kanuckistan that can easily reprogram or even rebuild a being's mind to desired specifications; they're quite good.

Or even scratch-build pleasure slaves from scratch to your exact specifications.



Torontonias wrote:
Wait... If so many ESUS nations (Including myself) have at least part of their territory on Earth, why not use said members Earth-based Resources to incite rebellion against the ToY, I'm sure we could convince a few others. But anyway, the point would be, once they attacked us to "Quell the Rebellion" we would be able to invoke the alliances war-support clause, and go from there.


What, exactly, would constitute 'rebelion' on the part on previously uninvolved, sovergine states?



The Silver Turtle wrote:

Me too, except I happen to be one of them, who fought bravely to repel them when they tried to quell the Earth-based resistance...
But we'd need FTLi. When we tried a counterattack on the WorldDisc the hyperspaced into a nebula somewhere.

And what's worse, much of the ToY are elves...



While I couldn't offically, ICly justify joining without a very good reason, I could always have something, military or civilian, 'just happen' to set up an FTLi feild covering it prior to attack; I've plenty of range on my generators.

And if they shoot at me, I have an IC reason to shove a Battleplate or two down their throats; there's usually one hanging around Earth most of the time, so I could have planet-rending firepower on the scene pretty much instantly - assuming I didn't use the 'plate to generate the FTLi to start with, but them blowing up a civvie gives me better moral grounds.

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What, exactly, would constitute 'rebelion' on the part on previously uninvolved, sovergine states?


Well, I hadn't really thought about that. But I suppose if we could get all of the Earth based ESUS Nations to start a Political Campaign that doesn't Recognise the ToY as a Regional Authority, we would have some clout to start with, as most of the Earth based ESUS nations have large-ish populations there. I'm sure in a short period we could get more non-ESUS nations behind the banner, then with Earth falling into a state of discontent against the ToY, they would have to move to do something. If not, we could always extend the campaign to Mars, then they would have to do something.

So I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a Peacefull Rebellion to start it all off.

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They'd just claim they didn't pretend to be and take the wind out our sails
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And im about to have an army, i want some planet bsed combat.

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Problem is, hardly anyone RP's taking a planet in FT, they usually just glass it, or decide a war with fleet engagements; though this is why most FT rp's are frivolous.
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Problem is, hardly anyone RP's taking a planet in FT, they usually just glass it, or decide a war with fleet engagements; though this is why most FT rp's are frivolous.


I would, but I'm not an expansionist power, my standing army is laughible, and my navy is aparently such as to prevent anyone from so much as entertaining serious thoughts about invading me(which is something of a shame; Kanuckistani cities are fortress-warrens designed to draw in enemy forces and digest them, with only militia to do the fighting).

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I'm actually about to start ground operations on JJRs worlds. He gave me limited salvage rights, so I'm wiping them out. Sadly, JJR doesn't have the time to RP his troops, so I have to do both sides. Which means I'll probably win badly. Of course, the planets got hit by the Desolator's seed-pod things, so resistance shouldn't be too heavy anyway...

Anyway, I wish more people actually would do FT ground wars. Mecha tend to go to waste in space...

Note that this commitment was made before my ESUS membership, and has approval of JJR, so I don't think it goes against the constitution.

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Neglect FT ground wars. Peh. Fools. All my planets have super duper planetary shields. You have to land troops to have almost any chance of hurting me.

And when it comes to ground combat...hehe...
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Ah, the Bioroids? I was looking around and saw those. NASTY!

Anyway, the main reason I don't do much FT ground combat is that everyone seems to have "Teh 1337 M3CHA of D34TH!!!11!" Kinda takes the fun out of war when everybody just uses 50 meter tall killing machines. Infantry are much more enjoyable to RP.

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Well, ivce always prefered RPing on the ground, but in FT ive never had any ground troops, not no more. Await rains of tiberium on your planets .

I am now an expansionist power.
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Tiberium is pretty. I've got some of the stuff stashed away. Doesn't grow too well on the Facehuggerian mainland though. Not much does.
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I use dropships etc frequently, although considering I have a significant Earth-presence this is hardly surprising.
I use small mechas and infantry a lot, but I've never been able to use my "1337 M3CHA of D34TH!!!11!", so I'd actually prefer to use them on the grounds Infantry vs them=dead infantry

Oh, and I have a small Tiberium stockpile, back from the days of The Underwater Bubble, when I harvested the stuff from the central crater...
Never bothered to use it, though perhaps I should...
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Not no more, ive now got a premium tiberium harvesting technology, and if you grow any sizable feilds of it you run the risk of attracting my probes.

Plus tiberium has the power of uncontrollable mutation, which even i cant control, so unless you want any of those happy blob freinds running around youd be wise to be careful with it.
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blaesa wrote:

Anyway, the main reason I don't do much FT ground combat is that everyone seems to have "Teh 1337 M3CHA of D34TH!!!11!" Kinda takes the fun out of war when everybody just uses 50 meter tall killing machines. Infantry are much more enjoyable to RP.


My infantry - militia, actually - has had fission pumped recoilless anti-tank rifles for centuries.

The new Plasma Hammer's are pumped by mini-conversion bombs.


And Mecha make outstanding targets, what with their stupidly high profile; especially for near-relativistic energy weapons that don't rely on active scaning, as there's no warning for them to use their silly 'dodge' claims.

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*is still glad he's not on the recieving end of Kanuckistani weaponary*

Anyway, I've talked to a few of my fellow Metus members, and they have confirmed what I already knew; any move against the ToY will have the full support of the Metus space forces.
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How about we get back on topic...

Anyways...

I volunteer to serve as the neutral party that the ToY reacts to. I'm on good relations with most of their members and I claim a variety of territory and installations scattered throughout the Sol System. And I have some scores to settle with the ToY. The bastards think that a single frigate can tell a 5CN assault squadron to piss off. They're dead wrong...
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The bastards think that a single frigate can tell a 5CN assault squadron to piss off. They're dead wrong...


Eh? Can we get a little history here?

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Problem is, hardly anyone RP's taking a planet in FT, they usually just glass it, or decide a war with fleet engagements; though this is why most FT rp's are frivolous.


I've RP'ed taking a number of different planets. I have a number of different nice little toy's for such operations. However, none of them are going to used for this operation. I'm going to go on the record as saying this is a bad Idea for the Alliance as a whole. Even though I'm not RPing anymore. I would hate to see this alliance reputation tarnished.

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if ive finished it in time, i can clean the planets and any pesky civilians can be absorbed as puppets into my army. itll be fun. for me, not so much anyone else.
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They RP slower than me.


Indeed. That only gives us more time to blast them though. And think of really complicated ways to curbstomp the ToY.

That'll teach those elitists to police sol!
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LOL, you do realise they have enough seniority to be elite, and the ESUS is considered the elitest police of everywhere except Sol, and if we own the Sol system the irony of it will explode and kill everyone, given that this is strictly the EXTRA solar union of stars.
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Tappee wrote:
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Problem is, hardly anyone RP's taking a planet in FT, they usually just glass it, or decide a war with fleet engagements; though this is why most FT rp's are frivolous.


I've RP'ed taking a number of different planets. I have a number of different nice little toy's for such operations. However, none of them are going to used for this operation. I'm going to go on the record as saying this is a bad Idea for the Alliance as a whole. Even though I'm not RPing anymore. I would hate to see this alliance reputation tarnished.


How would it tarnish our alliances reputation? ToY is known for its high handed policing of the Sol System and many a nation is chafing under its arrogance.
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yeah, but I'm only in sol at the moment, and other nations have lots of sol holdings. By your argument I shouldn't be allowed in the ESUS. I don't have an extra-solar holding.
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Extra Solar doesn't mean strictly outside of Sol as Solar means sun in general.
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Hai. Anyways, who cares... Its just a minor technicality...
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I always took it to mean that every nation within the ESUS had a prescence of any form (be it merely a token prescence) outside Sol.
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Token meaning tiny exploration ships or merchantmen...
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Token peice of land, but it practically amounts to the same thing.

I hereby give Jordaxia:

Useless peice of lifeless rock no# 28463 in the Kane Belt.

One token piece of land.
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I hereby give every single nation that does not possess extra-Sol System territory, a stateroom upon my pleasure installation in orbit around Cala, the Paradise Planet.
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Damn... i dont suppose i could have used one anyway, unless you take tentacley metal things that spread tiberium on there as well...

thought not.

EDIT: wait a zombie second, i keep on noticing that and never remembering it when it comes to posting.

How come this so called "Cala" is paradise, it would have been interesting to have pitted New Okyto against it in a battle of the paradise planets, but alas... its a secret.
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Hell... Every nation in the ESUS gets a stateroom...
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w00t... ill refrain from using it, dont want to cause a scene.
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Um... The stateroom is the size of a large condo... Its known as a stateroom, because its in space... There's only about 250 staterooms total, so do feel lucky.
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Your title was better before you changed it. Being the first among equals is cooler than being the in-title boss.
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Meh I know... *shrugs* I gotta pull rank somehow.
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You should be Director without portfolio
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I need to make it interesting, although being the Director of God Knows What is fun...
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LOL, you do realise they have enough seniority to be elite, and the ESUS is considered the elitest police of everywhere except Sol, and if we own the Sol system the irony of it will explode and kill everyone, given that this is strictly the EXTRA solar union of stars.


Yeah, but they're jerks about it. That's why I'm not exactly happy with them. The ESUS, we kind of keep to ourselves unless provoked. Oh yeah, members will do things like blowing up xeno planets and enslaving entire systems, but not the whole alliance.

They on the other hand enforce their will upon anywhere they can.
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Five Civilized Nations wrote:
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Problem is, hardly anyone RP's taking a planet in FT, they usually just glass it, or decide a war with fleet engagements; though this is why most FT rp's are frivolous.


I've RP'ed taking a number of different planets. I have a number of different nice little toy's for such operations. However, none of them are going to used for this operation. I'm going to go on the record as saying this is a bad Idea for the Alliance as a whole. Even though I'm not RPing anymore. I would hate to see this alliance reputation tarnished.


How would it tarnish our alliances reputation? ToY is known for its high handed policing of the Sol System and many a nation is chafing under its arrogance.


The thing is if we just go a start a war then we look like war wongers. However, here is the best idea that I've heard so far

Torontonias wrote:
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What, exactly, would constitute 'rebelion' on the part on previously uninvolved, sovergine states?


Well, I hadn't really thought about that. But I suppose if we could get all of the Earth based ESUS Nations to start a Political Campaign that doesn't Recognise the ToY as a Regional Authority, we would have some clout to start with, as most of the Earth based ESUS nations have large-ish populations there. I'm sure in a short period we could get more non-ESUS nations behind the banner, then with Earth falling into a state of discontent against the ToY, they would have to move to do something. If not, we could always extend the campaign to Mars, then they would have to do something.

So I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a Peacefull Rebellion to start it all off.


As I've stated Tappee It's self is on earth, but had control of a number of planets outside of the Sol system. I'm currently in no position to be partaking in any war, specailly one of this nature. Depending on this war is started I might be able to do something low key.

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Kanuckistan's idea sounds good. Wetland still has his ancestral lands on Earth although we keep the population low there and moved the governement offworld a long time ago. Only 217 million people in Wetland at the moment but I do have a problem with ToY assuming regional authority over a planet my people own a part of.
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Well ive got the ground troops, whos going to do the space bit.
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Well my dropships won't be seeing much anti-Shivan action, and since they're stationed at Earth anyway...
Plus since TST is on Earth I have all my normal military there.
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The biggest problem of going into this war for me is that most of my fleet (read: my single Cyclops Superdreadnought) is already engaged helping JJR destroy his nation. So until they get back, I've only got about 200 Hector frigates (only 100 meters long!) and a bunch of fighters. Not really a prime invasion force...

So, could we wait until my big stuff gets back? Please?

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Thats OK, if everyone sends as much as they can then we'll have more than enough, and those that dont have many troops can hire mercenaries, ill be buying stuff from my puppets myself, gene ware troops and space protection from lrod shirassi as well as a terra-distorter or two . No im not sure that ill buy anything from Gene Ware, amybe some space defence until i get a space fleet of my own.
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Well this doesn't have to happen immediately. I think the Shivans need a smackdown and our forces regrouped before we take on the ToY.
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Now, I'm new so please forgive me. but who are the ToY?

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Now, I'm new so please forgive me. but who are the ToY?

Triumvirate of Yut:
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Triumvirate of Yut.

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Now, I'm new so please forgive me. but who are the ToY?


Think Ultra Imperialist space elves who have tried to claim Sol as their own.
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Think Ultra Imperialist space elves who have tried to claim Sol as their own.

Precisely.
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Now, I'm new so please forgive me. but who are the ToY?


Think Ultra Imperialist space elves who have tried to claim Sol as their own.

At least they're not enslaving the humans as pleasure slaves, or worse, exterminating them because of delusions of superiority.
I could, of course, be wrong about this. But I'm just trying to prove a point.
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Arizona Nova wrote:
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Now, I'm new so please forgive me. but who are the ToY?


Think Ultra Imperialist space elves who have tried to claim Sol as their own.

At least they're not enslaving the humans as pleasure slaves, or worse, exterminating them because of delusions of superiority.
I could, of course, be wrong about this. But I'm just trying to prove a point.


You are wrong about that. They *are* taking humans as slaves. Not necessarily pleasure slaves, but slaves none the less. As for delusions of superiority, the elves wrote the book on that. If they had a chance, they would kill off each and every human they could.
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However as a wholey superior alliance they do have a right to Sol, but frankly when has superiority bothered any of you .
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However as a wholey superior alliance they do have a right to Sol, but frankly when has superiority bothered any of you .

Tell me, an inhabitant of Sol, how they have more right to it than I do?
How do elves have more of a right to Sol, birthplace of humanity, than humans do? Hmm?
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The Silver Turtle wrote:
The Emperor Fenix wrote:
However as a wholey superior alliance they do have a right to Sol, but frankly when has superiority bothered any of you .

Tell me, an inhabitant of Sol, how they have more right to it than I do?
How do elves have more of a right to Sol, birthplace of humanity, than humans do? Hmm?

I didn't say they did, but I'm not about to fight a war based on prejudice. Just cause.
As for slavery, well, who are the slavers? What are their names? I'm sure they could be "persuaded" to drop the practice. However we may have a case of the pot calling the kettle black too, so just keep that in mind.
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There are no species in the universe superior to Humanity and it's evolutional offshoots.


Indeed!
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There are no species in the universe superior to Humanity and it's evolutional offshoots.

Thank you! Of course not. The idea of any race, with the capacity of sentience, being "superior" than others, is ridiculous. So is the curious human idea that they are superior, somehow.
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And yet if you ask the elves they will consider themselves infinitely superior.
Therefore they must be taught a "lesson"...perhaps involving Tentacles at one point.
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Could you give me a pointer to places where their hubris is clear? It would move me oocly and very icly toward being willing to fight them.
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Thank you! Of course not. The idea of any race, with the capacity of sentience, being "superior" than others, is ridiculous. So is the curious human idea that they are superior, somehow.


Rediculous? Perhaps. But this belief is backed up by two things, numbers and big guns. There are more humans at large in the multiverse than any other race.
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Could you give me a pointer to places where their hubris is clear? It would move me oocly and very icly toward being willing to fight them.

All my previous encounters with them were before the forums moved to jolt, but I'll dig around...
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Technically, the penguenian genus of the human species make them very elf-like, in fact they're based off elves, without the impure pointy ears. However, for IC purposes they are considered a human evolution (ie: so I can cleanse the dirty from the galaxy).
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Penguenia wrote:
Technically, the penguenian genus of the human species make them very elf-like, in fact they're based off elves, without the impure pointy ears. However, for IC purposes they are considered a human evolution (ie: so I can cleanse the dirty from the galaxy).

GM Humans are still humans. Same with nanite-enhanced humans*

ToY Charter wrote:
The Triumvirate of Yut shall expand to colonize the entire Saturn System and use its resources for the betterment of all members.

They take the Saturnian system and keep it for their own. Do they share the resources with the humans whose home the system is? No.

ToY Charter wrote:
The Triumvirate of Yut announces its goals to combat genocide and oppression on Earth using diplomacy and military extraction operations if necessary. To this goal, the First Titan Expeditionary Force (1st TEF) of the Triumvirate of Yut Combined Services (TYCS) will be formed and sent into the Earth theatre, based out of the Earth Trojan Orbit space station Valhalla.

The state it as their goal to interfere in the soveriegnty of nations and to police the world.
Is this not evidence enough?
Death to the elves!

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What the more xenophobic members of the alliance should do it build a military station in Sol, say in the Earth - Mars area, and not directly do anything to the ToY. That'll make them notice and object, so we claim it's our sovereign right as the children of humanity to do so.
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Penguenia, that seems like one of the best ideas thus far.
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Heh, I couldn't really claim that - seeing as, even though my people are pretty much identical to Terran Humans, they never came from anywhere near there.
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The Emperor Fenix wrote:
And if we own the Sol system the irony of it will explode and kill everyone, given that this is strictly the EXTRA solar union of stars.


Nah; we'll just have to change the name of the system's primary after we take it over, is all.

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I didnt hear anything

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New Irathious eh? i like the sound of-- i mean, im not speaking outloud am i...

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I've thought upon this a while. Now, in Arizona Nova, we've been striving for years to exactly define sentience. With the passing of SCRA and the writing of Sentient Theory, we've just about got it capped. Intelligence is but a component of sentience, thus we differentiate between AI, and what we see as the higher level, Digital Sentient. An AI is given only rudimentary learning skills - problem solving. Self-modifying code is more restricted beyond that. Digital Sentients, however, have no restrictions on their code. Conversely, DS enjoy the same rights as a person, or sentient xeno, guaranteed by the SCRA that was passed in ACE 473. Sentients are actually raised from "birth," if you will, and the researchers that do it esteem the sentients as their own children.
However, there is a theoretical level above sentience which we call "arch-sentience." Arch-sentients have "expanded consciousness," they are able to understand and comprehend what normal sentients cannot. An example of an arch-sentient would be Craussus, or perhaps Neo-Mekanta. "Organic" examples could be the classical example of a "demigod" or like being, or an angel or a demon. Basically, an arch-sentient is one whose existence cannot be empirically verified, as to some extent their existence isn't natural - as is Craussus's, as he is embodied in nanites throughout an entire planet. Arch-sentients are part supernatural, and thus not scientifically possible.
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K, though perhaps in another thread. Getting to OT.

Back OT, if someone can prove that ToY has violated the Sentient Civil Rights Act, listed here, in any capacity, that would get the hawks gearing up for a rumble very quick. I.E., prove they have taken slaves, in direct violation of the Second Right, then the Armada (Third Fleet) might do more than explore the Sol System.
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Plants are sentient, I'm pretty sure the ToY kills plants, as we all do. I don't know if they generally harm sapient life, however.
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Plants are sentient, I'm pretty sure the ToY kills plants, as we all do. I don't know if they generally harm sapient life, however.

Sentient plants? You sure? Remember, they have to have all the characteristics of sentience listed in SCRA and Sentient Theory.
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Yes, the Yut, and in the process gain lots of Sol territory i shouldnt wonder.
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Plants are sentient, I'm pretty sure the ToY kills plants, as we all do. I don't know if they generally harm sapient life, however.

Sentient plants? You sure? Remember, they have to have all the characteristics of sentience listed in SCRA and Sentient Theory.


Pffft; Kanuckistan has sentient mold.

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So do you want me to piss them off?
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No, i have a more elegant solution.

Step 1)All of those that have land onside Sol give me and the other hive nations if there are any in here reign to import our troops into your countries.

Step 2)Release tiberium everywhere through the use of untraceable missles (hire mercs to do your dirty work.

Step 3)Claim that the tiberium is the fault of the Yut trying to grab peoples land and muster armies to help clean it up (Tiberium must be present in largest quantities on Rhea and Titan

Step 4)The Hive nations release their armies and Titan, Rhea and other Yut settlements and cause chaos, whilst the Yut attacks the incursion on the ground turn around you "cleanup" troops, bring out the rest youd quitely miustered and deftly cut off the Yut and destroy them for their attack on the Sol sector.

Step 5)I'll clean up the tiberium and take back all the puppets ive made during the combat and hurl them into Sol.

Step 6)Relax as master as of Sol and the conquorers of the greatest nations in NS, the terrible upstarts youd be.
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Um... That's way too complicated...
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Indeed, and it puts too much power in the hands of one nation.
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Which nation ?

Its merely a suggestion that we course chaos first, i dont think you're capable of facing the Yut under normal circumstances.
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Which nation ?

Its merely a suggestion that we course chaos first, i dont think you're capable of facing the Yut under normal circumstances.


You.

And we *shouldn't* need to cause too much chaos first. The Yut ground troops are nothing special. It's the fleet that we need to deal with, but I suspect that they are becoming decadent and easy prey. They haven't had a real war in quite some time, and they have never fought us before. They wouldn't know what to expect.
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You're dealing with the likes of Zero-One, Im sure she can take on all of you on her own.
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Zero-One who?

Exactly.
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You're dealing with the likes of Zero-One, Im sure she can take on all of you on her own.


Who is she? I am not aware of that nation. Could you provide a link to somewhere where I can peruse her military forces?

Edit: From looking at her wiki, I've determined that her nation is based on Shodan, meaning she's ruthless. But most of her people seem to be pacificistic and unwilling to fight, based on her Wiki. How would they deal with the kind of high-intensity, brutal warfare that some ESUS members fight as a manner of course?
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Easily. She orders her military to engage, only to be surprised when we hit her from multiple sides, rip her military apart, annex her nation, and sell off her citizens as slaves or spare organs.

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Do I detect a hint of over confidence?

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Do I detect a hint of over confidence?

What hard data do you folks have on their militaries?


I don't know about DLE. I'm just saying that the majority of her civilian populace seems pacifist, based on her NS wiki entry. And since they're pacifist, they probably aren't too well aquainted with total war. Total war like what I fight, with entire systems being decimated.

In actuality, the Fall *isn't* a total war because I haven't used any strategic weapons because I don't want to destroy my own territory. Not an inhibition I would have with dealing with someone else. Especially not an Elf loving nation.
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Well, if you used total war on the ToY, then the object of conquest: Earth, would be destroyed, ergo we would ultimately accomplish nothing, and freak out everyone when they hear we blew up Earth. Not to say it wouldn't be entertaining to watch...
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Well, if you used total war on the ToY, then the object of conquest: Earth, would be destroyed, ergo we would ultimately accomplish nothing, and freak out everyone when they hear we blew up Earth. Not to say it wouldn't be entertaining to watch...


ToY isn't on Earth, they're in the outter solar system.

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Well, if you used total war on the ToY, then the object of conquest: Earth, would be destroyed, ergo we would ultimately accomplish nothing, and freak out everyone when they hear we blew up Earth. Not to say it wouldn't be entertaining to watch...


ToY isn't on Earth, they're in the outter solar system.


Exactly, the bits that I don't care about. Of course, we'd have to blast their Earth holdings too, but without support from the rest of the system, those will likely be easy prey to ground forces.
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Still, wouldn't taking out the outer solar system still have negative affects on Earth itself?


I don't see why. Of course it means that there will be quite a few less elves in the universe, but it's not like that's a bad thing...
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Do I detect a hint of over confidence?

What hard data do you folks have on their militaries?


No. They get annoying, I start igniting their planets. The moment they attempt to stop me, they get swarmed.

If I'm doing this, I'm not sending a piddly amount of ships. I'm sending half of my total military and including a couple of graviton destroyers.

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Still, wouldn't taking out the outer solar system still have negative affects on Earth itself?


I don't see why. Of course it means that there will be quite a few less elves in the universe, but it's not like that's a bad thing...

No, I mean like on the balance of gravitational forces and whatnot, because, you know, those gas worlds exert a lot of gravitational force... who know what blowing them up would do?
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Arizona Nova wrote:
Central Facehuggeria wrote:
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Still, wouldn't taking out the outer solar system still have negative affects on Earth itself?


I don't see why. Of course it means that there will be quite a few less elves in the universe, but it's not like that's a bad thing...

No, I mean like on the balance of gravitational forces and whatnot, because, you know, those gas worlds exert a lot of gravitational force... who know what blowing them up would do?



Not really; the gravitational force of Venus, for example, upon you is roughly the same as that exerted by a truck driving by your house, iirc.

Tho if you folks break out the REALLY big guns, ubertech, or mass fleets, I'd start to worry about them declaring ignore.

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That's fine. My fleet is the complete anthesis of large. Or at least it will be soon.
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Define "large" for this purpose. My entire fleet is below 4000 ships, and only 201 of those are intended for long-term battles (200 drone carriers with no other weapons and a graviton destroyer).

Edit: Devoting have my fleet would be closer to 1700 than 2000. However, most of those cannot stay in battle longer than a day (if that) and would be forced to retreat for resupply.

I'm guessing about 200 to 500 is what you may think of as appropriate.

The only reason I would use such numbers at first is a realism issue. Realistically, I'm not going to go into this for a long, drawn-out war right off the bat. If I'm planning on taking them down and knew where they were, I'd hit them with half of my forces right off the bat. If that shows signs of not quickly overwhelming them, retreat the fleet, repair and resupply, and then strike again in smaller numbers. That innitial strike would be enough to at least cripple part of their fleet (if not outright destroy it) and the smaller numbers would wear them down and have them waste supplies and firepower. Where them down a bit before using the big guns again, this time targetting their populous. Wear them down, pick them off, and then move in for the final kill.

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Another thing: don't we have a (Bad) Shivan situation brewing? Perhaps we should try and deal with them first - "Better to crush egg, than to kill dragon."
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Another thing: don't we have a (Bad) Shivan situation brewing? Perhaps we should try and deal with them first - "Better to crush egg, than to kill dragon."


Yes indeed. We've got Shivans to kill first, but then we should deal with the ToY while our militaries are still mobilized.
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At least they're starting to attack. I hate having to wait

Central Facehuggeria wrote:
That's fine. My fleet is the complete anthesis of large. Or at least it will be soon.


I've been meaning to downsize my fleet sizes (very much) and organize them into about 7 permanent fleets, but then I'd have to recalculate my navy numbers as well as the fighter corps, and that would be indeed a danger to my health.
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At least they're starting to attack. I hate having to wait

Central Facehuggeria wrote:
That's fine. My fleet is the complete anthesis of large. Or at least it will be soon.


I've been meaning to downsize my fleet sizes (very much) and organize them into about 7 permanent fleets, but then I'd have to recalculate my navy numbers as well as the fighter corps, and that would be indeed a danger to my health.


Heh, I don't think you'd want to downsize to the level that I am though. 30 Capital ships of the line, with a few mercenary ships and slaver ships operating as independents.

No more than a hundred ships all told, but all the capital ships of the line are extremely powerful. Somewhat like Kanuckistan, but using my own particular brand of tech, weapons, and designs.

Oh, and never ask me my weapons yields. You won't like the answer I'll give.
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At least they're starting to attack. I hate having to wait

Central Facehuggeria wrote:
That's fine. My fleet is the complete anthesis of large. Or at least it will be soon.


I've been meaning to downsize my fleet sizes (very much) and organize them into about 7 permanent fleets, but then I'd have to recalculate my navy numbers as well as the fighter corps, and that would be indeed a danger to my health.


Heh, I don't think you'd want to downsize to the level that I am though. 30 Capital ships of the line, with a few mercenary ships and slaver ships operating as independents.

No more than a hundred ships all told, but all the capital ships of the line are extremely powerful. Somewhat like Kanuckistan, but using my own particular brand of tech, weapons, and designs.

Oh, and never ask me my weapons yields. You won't like the answer I'll give.


So, you're setting yourself up as the Anti-Kanuckistan? Jeez, you think there would have been a prophecy about that somewhere.
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Anti-Kanuckistan? I guess that works. It wasn't really my original intent though. When designing the Empire, I originally planned for three total warships, but then I kind of realized how few that would be.
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Yeah, Mekanta does have three capships. Three. No more, no less.

You shall count to three when counting Mekanta's capships. You shall not count to two, unless continuing to three. Three is what you shall count to. Four is a no, and five is completely out of the question.


The rest are all subcaps that will strike quick and hard. However, it should be mentioned that mobile stations aren't considered capships.


So who's the Anti-Kanuckistan? CF, or Mekanta?
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The difference lies in our definition of capship. Mine is anything 100 meters and up (up to 40+ kilometers, where it becomes a wankship regardless of any other circumstances.)
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CF is the Anti-Kanuckistan, I would say. Though the book of Revelation does mention spiky and scary beasts that take over the world, so I could be wrong.
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Spiky monsters? You do realize that I've been creating genetically engineered clones, -with spikes- as cannon fodder, right?
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The difference lies in our definition of capship. Mine is anything 100 meters and up (up to 40+ kilometers, where it becomes a wankship regardless of any other circumstances.)


So I guess that 14 lightyear-long ship I'm making out of toilet paper tubes (taking 500 years, NS time, to build) is what you consider to be a wankship.

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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
The difference lies in our definition of capship. Mine is anything 100 meters and up (up to 40+ kilometers, where it becomes a wankship regardless of any other circumstances.)


So I guess that 14 lightyear-long ship I'm making out of toilet paper tubes (taking 500 years, NS time, to build) is what you consider to be a wankship.


Hmm...I'd consider that more of a jokeship. Wankships are ships that are meant to be serious. I guess I should have made that clear.
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The only reason I'm building it is so I can say I built the biggest ship in existance. It even has engines (re: bottle rockets) to help it move.

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Do the Shivans have a "home?" Or are they playing the lameass "lol find us or only we can do attacks" game?
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Do the Shivans have a "home?" Or are they playing the lameass "lol find us or only we can do attacks" game?


So far, it sounds like the second one.
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heeeey..


Your Shivans excluded of course. When I say Shivan, I'm usually talking about the IB/US/Ekardia kind of Shivans.
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Arenumberg wrote:
heeeey..


Your Shivans excluded of course. When I say Shivan, I'm usually talking about the IB/US/Ekardia kind of Shivans.

You seem extremely sensitive to whenever we make negative Shivan references, Arenumberg, too sensitive, if you ask me. Just assume that when we go "RRAGH SHIVANZ" that we're referring to IB/US. We'll make it explicitly clear if we're referring to your special brand.
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When we speek of you, Arenumberg, we will say "Arenumberg." Shivans refers to the enemy ones.
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My Shivans are about 40,000 times more evil.. read the RP forum.. you can quite easily check his inbox but cant open the message.. or something.. lol
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My Shivans are about 40,000 times more evil.. read the RP forum.. you can quite easily check his inbox but cant open the message.. or something.. lol

More evil, perhaps. But we're not at war. Crucial difference.
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Yet.
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Yet.

Touché
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Cliché


Dead Shivané
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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
DemonLordEnigma wrote:
Central Facehuggeria wrote:
The difference lies in our definition of capship. Mine is anything 100 meters and up (up to 40+ kilometers, where it becomes a wankship regardless of any other circumstances.)


So I guess that 14 lightyear-long ship I'm making out of toilet paper tubes (taking 500 years, NS time, to build) is what you consider to be a wankship.


Hmm...I'd consider that more of a jokeship. Wankships are ships that are meant to be serious. I guess I should have made that clear.


I'm currently working on a giant space gun that fires modern-tech Iowa-class battleships; it's going to be a revolver - I just need to find a suitible ship to modify into the gun. I have my heart set on a Doujin-class superdreadnaught.

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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
Arenumberg wrote:
Cliché


Dead Shivané
In the context of super-evil Shivans backstabbing the ESUS, I give this the official "lol"
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They did! They're colluding with the Unified/Imperial type, lied about where all the former occupants went.. and plan on enslaving an awful lot...
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They did! They're colluding with the Unified/Imperial type, lied about where all the former occupants went.. and plan on enslaving an awful lot...



Eh, no one's perfect(well, except me).

Just look at Jesus.

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Kanuckistan, use one of my uberships rather than a Doujin; you get an ESUS discount!
Plus you don't have to haul it into space, it can be delivered.
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The Silver Turtle wrote:
Kanuckistan, use one of my uberships rather than a Doujin; you get an ESUS discount!
Plus you don't have to haul it into space, it can be delivered.


We're aiming for the 'really big RL warship' astetic; unfortunatly, your ships don't have that.

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Who the hell is the Toy? I have assets on Earth and around Jupiter and
I have never even heard of them. They have never RPed any takeover of
Sol Space as far as I know or I would have been right in the middle of it.
Also if you all have a problem with elves I need to know it because I have
a minority elven population.
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Kormanthor wrote:
Who the hell is the Toy? I have assets on Earth and around Jupiter and
I have never even heard of them. They have never RPed any takeover of
Sol Space as far as I know or I would have been right in the middle of it.
Also if you all have a problem with elves I need to know it because I have
a minority elven population.


The ToY is kind of elitist and they don't get involved with you unless you catch their attention. But if you do catch their attention, say by establishing a base somewhere in the solar system, they'll usually jump on you like a pack or rabid hyenas. I've personally never been gangraped in this manner, but I've seen it done. Not a pleasant sight.

Oh, and I've got a problem with elves. I tend to enslave them or kill them as soon as we find them, on account of their obvious evil. (There's an IC backstory to go along with this, but I'm ont going to type it all out right now. )
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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
Kormanthor wrote:
Who the hell is the Toy? I have assets on Earth and around Jupiter and
I have never even heard of them. They have never RPed any takeover of
Sol Space as far as I know or I would have been right in the middle of it.
Also if you all have a problem with elves I need to know it because I have
a minority elven population.


The ToY is kind of elitist and they don't get involved with you unless you catch their attention. But if you do catch their attention, say by establishing a base somewhere in the solar system, they'll usually jump on you like a pack or rabid hyenas. I've personally never been gangraped in this manner, but I've seen it done. Not a pleasant sight.

Oh, and I've got a problem with elves. I tend to enslave them or kill them as soon as we find them, on account of their obvious evil. (There's an IC backstory to go along with this, but I'm ont going to type it all out right now. )


My Elves are not evil they are based on the Sun Elves found in the Forgotten Realms. However you might be interested in getting involved
in my Dark Masters Fleet IC Thread as it is made up of a Invading force
of Dark Elves or Drow that intend to take over the Earth then expand out
ward from there. Also I have a number of bases in the Sol System so I'm
not sure why I haven't gained there attention. However if I could get
ESUS's total backing I would be willing to gain there attention as a catalist
for the war you all seem to want ... what do you think. I must make it
completely clear that in order for this to happen I would expect the protection of Major ESUS Members.
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so is this going to actually happen, or what the hell is going on then. If there is a war going to happen in my own backyard I would like to know.

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so is this going to actually happen, or what the hell is going on then. If there is a war going to happen in my own backyard I would like to know.


Not for awhile yet. We've got to wipe out the Shivans first.
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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
Tappee wrote:
so is this going to actually happen, or what the hell is going on then. If there is a war going to happen in my own backyard I would like to know.


Not for awhile yet. We've got to wipe out the Shivans first.


So will when it does happen will we have Metus support. And if so who in Metus will be taking part?

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Tappee wrote:
Central Facehuggeria wrote:
Tappee wrote:
so is this going to actually happen, or what the hell is going on then. If there is a war going to happen in my own backyard I would like to know.


Not for awhile yet. We've got to wipe out the Shivans first.


So will when it does happen will we have Metus support. And if so who in Metus will be taking part?


TST says that we'll have the support of the whole Metus. I'm not sure we'd need them though. But I digress.
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Central Facehuggeria wrote:
Tappee wrote:
so is this going to actually happen, or what the hell is going on then. If there is a war going to happen in my own backyard I would like to know.


Not for awhile yet. We've got to wipe out the Shivans first.



OK What can I do to help with the Shivans War.
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Err...Work on trying to find where they're coming from. If we discover that, we can strike upon them quickly and end the Shivan threat.
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ToY, more specifically an Elf, has a new station in Sol.
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Penguenia wrote:
ToY, more specifically an Elf, has a new station in Sol.


My elven population will gladly help kill evil elves ( drow ) where ever
they are found. Check out Dark Masters Fleet, it is my latest RP about
Dark Elves that intend to conquer Earth first then move out from there.
Maybe I could have the Dark Masters Fleet attack the new Toy space
station?
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The ToY aren't dark elves. They're just corrupt, imperialistic elves.
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The Dark Masters Fleet / OCC Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388734&page=4

The Dark Masters Fleet

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388732


The Dark Masters are Dark Elves bent on taking over the Milky Way starting with the Sol System so they would be automatic enemies.
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well being in the SOL system, what Can I do.

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Tappee wrote:
well being in the SOL system, what Can I do.


Help me set them up for ESUS to step in & kill them ... the Toy I mean.
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I have access to a nation in Metus, and thus its Metus forum account too.. but its not totally mine.. so meh..

Im on good relations with Crimmond, too.
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According to my sources in Arda, they know about our intent to attack ToY and are already contemplating to support us...

At this point, we see a veritable force facing the ToY, including Arda and the ESUS, among others. But at the same time we're also facing fearsome opposition, including METUS and our current enemies, Galactic Empire, the Shivans, AoN, etc...
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Five Civilized Nations wrote:
According to my sources in Arda, they know about our intent to attack ToY and are already contemplating to support us...

At this point, we see a veritable force facing the ToY, including Arda and the ESUS, among others. But at the same time we're also facing fearsome opposition, including METUS and our current enemies, Galactic Empire, the Shivans, AoN, etc...


Why did we not finish the Aon / ESUS War?
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I was ready to enter it and I could hardly get anyone to acknowledge my
existance.
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The thread kind of died due to GZ's temporal wanking, or threats thereof.
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I didn't say the whole of Metus, I said the entire Metus space forces.
Which would include Crimmond, Wretchengard, moi, Barbarosea, and Melkor if his civil war is done in time. There are more with space forces but I can't remember them all off the top of my head. If it goes on longer than it should, and ground forces are required extra help will be given.

And there's a good reason I'm trying to get space on that station...

Edit: 5CN, Arda is part of Metus (the other part is what remains of the GDODAD). Metus is with us.
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Well if ESUS feels it must do something else to remind people who we
are then why not just finish what we have stared first. Although I don't
really believe that anyone has forgotten us, there are those who would
like to be able to ... I'll agree with that. Every post I make in any NS
Forum reminds them that the ESUS is still alive & well. Because it names
me as a member.
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Arenumberg wrote:
I have access to a nation in Metus, and thus its Metus forum account too.. but its not totally mine.. so meh..


Don't go saying that around the Metus forum admin
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Well given the current situation the Tappee finds itself in, ESUS would have just reason to send in forces to help stablize the situation, by sending in a rather large military force.

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I thought some ToY members are in Metus?

And isn't Arda not in Metus, especially since Melkor nuked Mars?
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Metus is with us.


I thought some ToY members are in Metus?

And isn't Arda not in Metus, especially since Melkor nuked Mars?

...What exactly do you think Metus is?

Metus was originally the superalliance of Arda, the GDODAD, and the Reich.
Then the Reich was replaced by Greater Prussia.
Then they buggered off about a week ago.

Therefore; Metus is the superalliance of Arda and the GDODAD. Melkor still [officially] holds the top position, this will change with his current civil war though. The Emperor of Kalessin and The Great Ineffable Bob [i.e. me] are the joint second-in-commands, each representing their respective alliances.

And since Arda is one of the pillars of Metus, and I'm second-in-command, I think I'd know if Yut members were in the alliance...

Edit: The Metus Charter
It's a little out of date (i.e. bits about The Reich), but it's essentially good.
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Melkor nuked Mars? This is news to me.
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Okay... I must be confusing Metus with, oh yeah... MIDAS II...
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Five Civilized Nations wrote:
Okay... I must be confusing Metus with, oh yeah... MIDAS II...



I wasn't aware that anyone nuked mars. Was this done in an RP Thread?
What was the point of nuking mars?
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MIDAS = Martian Interplanetary Defense And Security Charter. Why would they nuke what they protect?
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Penguenia wrote:
MIDAS = Martian Interplanetary Defense And Security Charter. Why would they nuke what they protect?


Good Question ... are they taking new members?
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Nevermind...
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Five Civilized Nations wrote:
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FCN I am really concerned with this because I have assets in the sol system and this could possibly affect the Earth. I wasn't trying to make
you mad.
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First, US or Rob whichever one you are... the bad spelling makes me lean toward the latter but i cannot be sure of course. Who ever you are.

1) Get a life

2) ALL POSTS ON THE ESUS BOARDS ARE OOC, NOTHING UPON THEM CAN BE USED TO INFLUENCE IC DESSCIONS OR ACTIONS, ANYONE DOING SO IS GODMODDING

For one thing, spying on clearly marked OOC forums is not a nice thing to do. If you are can't tackle the ESUS or any one of its members like a man or woman, ICly, then you are a petty and cowardly individual. If you were interested in roleplaying, then you could have approached any one of us. Obviously, you don't want to roleplay, you just want to smear the ESUS as a whole.

Oh, and for the record, I was the one who originally instigated the whole OOC discussion about a possible attack on the Triumverate. Mainly because ICly, my nation is rigidly Xenocidal, and the ToY is the most powerful group of non humans in NS at the moment. Of course, what you fail to grasp is that these were long, long range plans that wouldn't even begin implementation for RL months, if they did at all.

Oh, and Blademasters, on the off chance that this is you, Jordaxia wasn't the one who destroyed your EVE ship. It was US, from what I've heard.

LOL. This is fantastic, I'm going to have to give TFU a medal, but in response to your reply to all this Fenix, if the forums are OOC, how can the ESUS orchestrate plans and plots then enact them on Nationstates? I'm just confused as it seems a little hypocritical....

LOL. This is fantastic, I'm going to have to give TFU a medal, but in response to your reply to all this Fenix, if the forums are OOC, how can the ESUS orchestrate plans and plots then enact them on Nationstates? I'm just confused as it seems a little hypocritical....

How? Easy. Any sort of RP plan begins in somebody's mind, OOCly. It's more of a brainstorming session compared to actual IC planning. IC planning is usually clearly marked Secret IC.

Tell me, an inhabitant of Sol, how they have more right to it than I do?
How do elves have more of a right to Sol, birthplace of humanity, than humans do? Hmm?

How many times must it be said, Elves =!= Yut.

There is an elf nation in Yut. One and one only. 1. Uno. Un! Singular... Yut are not elves, elvish, or any such thing.

Furthermore, it is also the birthplace of elves, and they [Menelmacar at least] have never said that they wanted humans out of Sol.

Well, this is certainly embarrassing. Things said in private aren't meant to be seen by the public. Also, this is quite distasteful on the part of the cowardly little git who posted it. Needless to say, I am angry.

When it comes down to it, though, it doesn't matter. Everything on the ESUS boards is ooc, and mostly silly chit chat and crazy ideas that will never come true. In addition, anything posted there is certainly not supported by the entire alliance.

As it says in ESUS rules. You may not speak for the ESUS, at any piont.

Now if this was Rob... well im dissapionted in him, i thought this was below him, but perhaps sometimes you get the measure of a man, or in this case, less than a man.

Wow, this thread has kicked off. I'm sure the ESUS are greatful for me highlighting the thread to Lord Fenix. And whatever little git that posted this is obviously cowardly, and should be wiped out. And yeah, OOC boards are just for chat, I go on a few boards, and most of the things discussed never go into play.

Me i had nothing to do with this ...jeez..

First, US or Rob whichever one you are... the bad spelling makes me lean toward the latter but i cannot be sure of course. Who ever you are.

1) Get a life

If you are not sure who did it, perhaps you should not be accusing people blindly?

If you are not sure who did it, perhaps you should not be accusing people blindly?
There are very few people that could have done it. I am not accusing blindly.

I am personally very vyer relieved that it doesnt look like it was Rob. Perhaps he doesnt like me anymore, but id still like to think he was a decent perosn.

I don't think it was TFU. This sort of OOC breach of etiquitte and faith isn't his style. I also don't think it was US, this is much too emotional and/or personal to be one of his plots.

Well im glad of that at least. But if it were BD. I just thought more of him, in fact really i thought more of everyone really.

For one thing, spying on clearly marked OOC forums is not a nice thing to do. If you are can't tackle the ESUS or any one of its members like a man or woman, ICly, then you are a petty and cowardly individual. If you were interested in roleplaying, then you could have approached any one of us. Obviously, you don't want to roleplay, you just want to smear the ESUS as a whole.

Oh, and for the record, I was the one who originally instigated the whole OOC discussion about a possible attack on the Triumverate. Mainly because ICly, my nation is rigidly Xenocidal, and the ToY is the most powerful group of non humans in NS at the moment. Of course, what you fail to grasp is that these were long, long range plans that wouldn't even begin implementation for RL months, if they did at all.

Oh, and Blademasters, on the off chance that this is you, Jordaxia wasn't the one who destroyed your EVE ship. It was US, from what I've heard.

I'd just like to take this moment to point out that Yut has exactly four non-human members - Kaenei, Sakkra, Zero-One, and Menelmacar, plus Reploid Productions which is mostly human but has reploids. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Metus has considerably more non-humans that the Triumvirate - they're even ruled by an ancient, evil god.

Careful... flaming not good.
Dont worry, id never truly mean to flame Rob. Just dont mind me :P.

I'd just like to take this moment to point out that Yut has exactly four non-human members - Kaenei, Sakkra, Zero-One, and Menelmacar, plus Reploid Productions which is mostly human but has reploids. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Metus has considerably more non-humans that the Triumvirate - they're even ruled by an ancient, evil god.

I was mislead by what I'd seen of Triumverate operations in the past, where Menelmacar and her elves often take a prominent role. Meh. I was mistaken.

Although, completely off topic, something has been nagging me for awhile. How is it the Triumverate of Yut when there are more than three members?

Well I don’t like to be accused of things I didn’t do , and I refuse to get involved in a finger pointing match with US or any one here , that is childish the simple fact and truth is that I did not post this dribble , I don’t even have access to the ESUS forums , not only that using OOC info for IC crap is not god rp

I was mislead by what I'd seen of Triumverate operations in the past, where Menelmacar and her elves often take a prominent role. Meh. I was mistaken.

Although, completely off topic, something has been nagging me for awhile. How is it the Triumverate of Yut when there are more than three members?

The Triumvirate was originally composed of three (human) nations - Scolopendra, Karmabaijan, and Suunto.

I was mislead by what I'd seen of Triumverate operations in the past, where Menelmacar and her elves often take a prominent role. Meh. I was mistaken.

Although, completely off topic, something has been nagging me for awhile. How is it the Triumverate of Yut when there are more than three members?OOC: Wow, your information is way out of date. Menelmacar hasn't been active in the Triumvirate since...forever. She's still there, just been doing her own thing for the most part.

To answer your question, it isn't the Triumverate. The Triumvirate part comes from the original founding members who formed the First Among Equals. While they don't have any dictatorial powers over the rest of the alliance, they can veto applicants or proposals.

I know lots of people are jumping in to explain this, but I thought I'd add my $.02. For one thing, I really object to being called an elf.

Well I don’t like to be accused of things I didn’t do , and I refuse to get involved in a finger pointing match with US or any one here , that is childish the simple fact and truth is that I did not post this dribble , I don’t even have access to the ESUS forums , not only that using OOC info for IC crap is not god rp
No-ones accusing you anymore. Even you have to admit though, for somethign like this, you were a prime suspect. Who else after all had means and motive?

Lets see, where to start ... this is all just too damn amusing.

We don't claim all of Sol. We just have member nations spread all over it. There is a decided difference.

We don't try to police Sol. We just have combined forces out there to protect our interests and members. Last I checked, lots of folks do that.

We are not 'space elves'. There is one member nation who is Elven, and that is Menelmacar - who is just another member, not even one of the FAE councilmembers.

We don't go around telling everyone what to do. In fact, compared to most groups out there, we tend to mind our own business. When something is a threat to or concerns our members, or we are asked to assist friends and neighbors, that is another matter entirely. Again, nothing more than any other alliance or group out there can claim. Far less in many respects.

We do not condone or practice slavery. Read our charter - we are right damn opposed to it. Many of the joint efforts, or those of individual nations, have been humanitarian ones to rescue those caught up in these sorts of situations. Please try again.
The Triumvirate of Yut announces its goals to combat genocide and oppression on Earth using diplomacy and military extraction operations if necessary. To this goal, the First Titan Expeditionary Force (1st TEF) of the Triumvirate of Yut Combined Services (TYCS) will be formed and sent into the Earth theatre, based out of the Earth Trojan Orbit space station Valhalla.

The state it as their goal to interfere in the soveriegnty of nations and to police the world.
Is this not evidence enough?
Death to the elves!
Emphasis mine. Diplomacy, and extraction operations are not the same as waging war and forcing rule on anyone. Please show where we have been going around telling everyone else how they MUST run their nations. And yes, I do mean show us posts. Link it.

We do not hold a belief that we have any more right to Sol than any other groups or races. We do however hold a belief that we have a right to our lands and holdings - which again, I think any nation or alliance does.

Many of us - and I do mean many, myself included - are Human nations. So where does that leave your 'kill the xenos' argument? And where does it give you the sovereign right to 'own' any of us again?

Trying to start a war to accomplish what you are falsely accusing others of doing is ... well ... stupid. I do hope that reality has crossed your minds.
Step 5)I'll clean up the tiberium and take back all the puppets ive made during the combat and hurl them into Sol.
Puppetwanking is bad, mmmmkay?

Zero-One is pacifistic? I think I'll sum that up with the appropriate "..." and call it good. *grins*

The Triumvirate is on Earth - in the form of what nations reside there. And in other locations throughout Sol, according to what nations live where. Please, if you are going to come up with stuff, at least try to do your homework.
The ToY is kind of elitist and they don't get involved with you unless you catch their attention. But if you do catch their attention, say by establishing a base somewhere in the solar system, they'll usually jump on you like a pack or rabid hyenas. I've personally never been gangraped in this manner, but I've seen it done. Not a pleasant sight.
Huh? Perhaps you're mixing this with previous statements of 'trying to establish bases where a member nation already has forces or a claim'. Again, nothing out of the ordinary there, nor does this cover all of Sol. Perhaps, given how much misinformation you have on us, you have confused some of us with other nations and alliances, such as perhaps, the Order of the Seraphim around Mercury?
ToY, more specifically an Elf, has a new station in Sol.
Are you meaning myself? That's the only new station I recall going up of late. Again, please lets not get insulting. The Dominion is, and has always been, a mundane Human nation. Thank you so much for paying attention there.

The name Triumvirate refers to the original 3 founders, and still holds true as the First Among Equals on the council. Yep, the 3 heads of the alliance. The alliance grew, the main set up remained the same. Karmabaijan, Scolopendra, and Suunto - now held by Berserker. That would be ... yep, 3. Looks like a Triumvirate to me. And *gasp* yep ... Human nations. Go fig?

Lastly, I have absolutely no idea who posted this, but to my knowledge, no one in our alliance is responsible - just to head off any crazy accusations that way. If anything, I'm certain they'd have spelled the alliance name correctly if it were. *chuckles*

Anyways folks, thanks for the laugh. Truly, this is the most amusement I've had on the boards in a while. Bravo. :D

To my esteemed allies - if anything I've said here is off-base or inaccurate, please feel free to correct me.

Puppetwanking is bad, mmmmkay?
I for one have no qualms with anythign you said except this part.

When i said puppets, i meant of course puppets as in a troops type i have within my army. Not as in nation puppets, a mistake easily made if you are not privvy to the rest of the board.

Just clearing that up. As for the rest, Zero-One, i know she's pacificst, but i still wouldnt put a good fight past her, and everyone else in ToY for that matter. Still even you have to admit, it would have been fun. Obviously it cant happen now.

Zero-One is a pacifist ... I keep hearing this. Obviously, you haven't been paying attention.

At. All.

But please - do continue. This is the most laugh-worthy thread I've seen in ages. :D

As for the puppets - whatever you say, boyo. Having no access to the boards, you're right. I wouldn't know. Well .. other than what's been posted here at any rate.

Zero-One is a pacifist ... I keep hearing this. Obviously, you haven't been paying attention.

At. All.

But please - do continue. This is the most laugh-worthy thread I've seen in ages. :D

As for the puppets - whatever you say, boyo. Having no access to the boards, you're right. I wouldn't know. Well .. other than what's been posted here at any rate.
Well, whatever, keep up the good work. Whatever it is you do. Though i still feel this thread shouldnt be in NS, gameplay at most really.

*sighs* ill watch this thread

[snip]

...Zero-One, i know she's pacificst, but i still wouldnt put a good fight past her, and everyone else in ToY for that matter.Still OOC: Pardon me while I catch my breath.

Ah, that's better. Okay. Zero-One ranks in the top percentile for the Defense Forces per Capita; she and I are usually in contention with each other for the higher ranks (but no, not the Top Ten). Not to mention, all the IC role-plays with her forces, her Shadows and her discussions about her past as the Ghost of the Citadel...yeah.

You guys have some seriously bad intelligence going on there. Very amusing, bravo!

Still OOC: Pardon me while I catch my breath.

Ah, that's better. Okay. Zero-One ranks in the top percentile for the Defense Forces per Capita; she and I are usually in contention with each other for the higher ranks (but no, not the Top Ten). Not to mention, all the IC role-plays with her forces, her Shadows and her discussions about her past as the Ghost of the Citadel...yeah.

You guys have some seriously bad intelligence going on there. Very amusing, bravo!
Can i just say. Firstly did i not say i while back to ignore everything i was saying. And secondly no, why am i posting. Im going back to somethign constructive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/lordfenix/PuppetMaster.jpg

My god.

This is so absurd... so insane... so... WRONG, that it actually has given me a headache.

Thank you all for making my day... now I have to go invade a n00b and take all his Tylenol.

I can say, without a doubt in my mind that there was no "plot" to destroy the Triumvirate of Yut. I can't emphasize this enough, but the focus of that thread was to put out ooc ideas for RP scenarios due to the stagnation of alliance activity. If you'll notice, there is more than just talk of the ToY in it.

Much of the content of that particular thread talked of the the ToY, and some of the ESUS members there had been misinformed to different degrees, but the ToY was certainly not the focus of the discussion; at least I didn't see it that way at the time I was active in it.

Though it should have been deleted the first time any moderator saw it, the damage has been done, however there is no reason this discussion should go on, and the thread should be locked.

Official Statements:

To Who ever Posted This: You are smart, using a newly created nation to shield who you are. That was very clever but I see straight through it. I am very disappointed to see you stoop that low after the many conversations we had. It is very shocking and disheartening thta you did this.

To Those Who Are Not In The Alliance: I apologize for the image you have seen that has been unjustly painted about my alliance.

Still OOC: Pardon me while I catch my breath.

Ah, that's better. Okay. Zero-One ranks in the top percentile for the Defense Forces per Capita; she and I are usually in contention with each other for the higher ranks (but no, not the Top Ten). Not to mention, all the IC role-plays with her forces, her Shadows and her discussions about her past as the Ghost of the Citadel...yeah.

You guys have some seriously bad intelligence going on there. Very amusing, bravo!
Come now guys, the entire "discussion" is so full of holes and inaccuracies that it's really nothing to worry about.
It's not our job to do someone elses' research for them, and frankly if someone can't be bothered to do that, then perhaps we should just keep to ourselves.
(Or not, whatever you feel like)
Lets just let them play in their sandbox, and we'll just play in ours.

*Besides this is a plot against the Trimative of Yutt, whomever they may be ;)*

Hello Blademasters. Never really expected this from you.

Indeed, using the ESUS Executioner... Brillliant, you knew the password wouldnt be changed...

Frankly, what's more disturbing than the fact someone who we entrusted with access betrayed us is that so many of you are drawing conclusions from this and basing opinions from this. Already you begin mocking us for holes in intelligence, treating us as foolish children. You are drawing conclusions from out-of-context snippets, and you blatantly laugh in our faces over our fallibility?

Whatever you still wish to draw from this, you may. But remember that this was a mere consideration by some of our members, not some grand master scheme.

Edit: Seeing as how there is some confusion, by context I didn't mean in-text context. I meant the general atmosphere on the board, its generally humorous nature, etc. If I remember correctly, this was in General, essentially a thread-based chatroom. Also, you will find that many threads and comments are based on other threads. For example, CF and his purging.

Either way, we don't exist just to make ESUS or anyone else look big. While I'm sure those involved had fun going "RAWR!" and checking each other out in adjacent stalls, we'd prefer to stay out of it unless we can be a constructive part of the discussion. If nothing else, we could help clear up some of those misconceptions.

Additionally, anyone who remembers January last year might remember that this was more-or-less tried to poor effect, even with a plan and everything worked out; everyone and their kid sister tried to get into it and things went essentially downhill from there. Even that at least had a legitimate reason behind it; there's essentially no casus belli here.

Either way, it's only polite to get the other guy into the discussion so it can be a mutual matter of "okay, what are we going to do here?" No hard feelings--plot away as much as you'd like. Just remember that freeform RP necessitates cooperation else no progress is made.

Interesting.....frankly, had this been a bunch of posts about myself or my alliance revealed by what appears to be a disgruntled member, I'd simply pay it no mind. The whole point of private boards is so that you can exercise internal affairs, which usual involve more than a little bitching/griping/moaning/ranting about your chosen target(s) of hate. With that said, I found it rather hard to follow the copy n' paste postings; cut out unneccessary tags next time ;)

I can say, without a doubt in my mind that there was no "plot" to destroy the Triumvirate of Yut. I can't emphasize this enough, but the focus of that thread was to put out ooc ideas for RP scenarios due to the stagnation of alliance activity. If you'll notice, there is more than just talk of the ToY in it.

Exactly! The first post (the only on of my posts listed on the first post of this thread) is mine, and mentions in a general way how things are stagnating on NS and ESUS. This has gone to far, and this crap is being taken too seriously by some people!

I betcha similar posts happen on other alliance forums...
'Hey, im bored, wanna RP or something?'
'Hey, I have an idea, lets go declare war on someone!!!'
'YEAH!!!!OMGZOR! What about (INSERT) or maybe (INSERT)!!!!111!!'
'Nah, (Insert1) has been really powerful lately, lets go after (NEW INSERT!)'
'YEah!!!'
'Wanna come up with a plan?'
INSERT MEANINGLESS PLANS HERE

'Alright, now that we have a plan.... Lets come up with a new one!!"
'OK!!! lets make one about (INSERT2)!!!'


You see, in my experience, people like to make crap like that up, out of boredom. We started a conversation, and none of us really thought it would be carried out. There are quite a couple of posts missing from that that detail a bunch of joke ideas.

"This entire post was drastically out of context. ToY does not refer to any sort of alliance, it was merely a typo by some of our dyslexic members (all of them, really). The "plot" was really a thread discussing how to blow up a certain toy, namely a GI-Joe.

Thank you for your time."

-Ztuh Lenoil, Attorney General of the Skeelzanian Sternreich

[OOC: Here's a funny fact for you.

Possibly the only nation that was a part of the ToY that was and is known for interfering in foreign nation's domestic policy is what was then known as EOTED and now known as ICEL (me).

They left the ToY because of policy differences. Not because of ToY policies - but because of EOTED (ICEL) ones.

What does that tell you? Hm?]

For one thing, spying on clearly marked OOC forums is not a nice thing to do.

*snickers in glory*

He's hardly the only nation to do so. I have a whole forum set up about this "plan."

I found it rather hard to follow the copy n' paste postings; cut out unneccessary tags next time ;)

I'm sure revenge will bear that in mind next time he decides to do this.

Well yes i'm back, I know i fucked up a page or two back but JJR convinced me to come back, so its all his fualt really :D. Quick he you kick him now i can run away...

Anywhos, this is all a bit ridiculous.

And i do have to say, i was looking forward to this, cos an offensive against ToY would have been somethign the whole alliance could have done, nothing against you really :D. Plus ive been meaning to test out my new troops for ages, and it seems mean to test them out on some poor noob.

Interesting read....


On Elitism

Of COURSE ToY is Elitist...well, the members of ToY anyway. This should come as no supprise. Players like Nathicana, Berserker, Menelmacar, and Zero-One are not alone in arrogant superiority. I would argue that ESUS itself is chalk-full of self-admiring, egotistical, geeky players (the mentioned #1 alliance vote is proof enough of this).

Elitism has been common-place in NS even before Hephestus came around, and no doubt will continue to do so. It's hard to get people to not love their nations and still want to play. The fact is, most players in NS, from uber-wanking n00bs to respected mods believe, and likely rightfully, that there is something special about their own nation...something that sets it apart from all the others.

Now, there are a few players that run relatively peaceful, non-egowank nations, but I would doubt anyone who claims to be such a person.

That ToY excretes feelings of envy is nothing new either, nothing new for ToY, and nothing new for other past and current alliances. It takes a lot to overcome such challenges to a person's own fanatical ego...no matter what alliance you are in. I should know, I've had plenty of experiance in dealing with my own such feelings.

-The Cardboard Avenger (Egoist in Admited Continuous Self Conflict)

I reckon The ToY have every right to be as elitist as they should want to be, they are after all probably the greatest alliance in NS, ive never thought any different.

they are after all probably the greatest alliance in NS

Me wonders if you're old enough to remember the original GDODAD.

Me wonders if you're old enough to remember the original GDODAD.
Perhaps not, but may i stress the OLD part of that.

Hm, can't wait to see what's 'exposed' next.

What's that you say? They changed the password to the executioner and IP banned you from the forums so you can't get anything else or even see the guest forums or tech showcase? Tsk.

Might I suggest, Blademasters, growing up. You're not the only person that this kind of thing happens to in EVE; deal with it in a mature fashion instead of being quite so petty, why don't you? Most other people do.

Me wonders if you're old enough to remember the original GDODAD.

I'm old enough to remember the original GDODAD. Mentioning no names, it had a few excellent players in it, a lot who Klamath recruited who barely posted, and some staggeringly bad ones.

I didn't bother reading the actually crap from the OOC boards because it annoys me in general, though we've all heard a few silly rumours going around. Still, it's a great thread if only because our beloved Nathicana is an elf... she's been hiding it from me for all this time, and I was under the impression that I'm one of the few nations in the NDA with a substantial elven population.

Looks like I was wrong ;)

Still, you gotta love silly stuff like this, it's nice to have a laugh once in a while.

OOC: This is touching really. You can always tell a woman, even an elvish one, by the quality of her enemies. While I haven't got quality enemies, it is clear that I at least have quantity. Not bad for my first day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/Zombie.jpg

I may have been an Elf. I don't really remember.

<Ahem>

BRAAAAAIIINNNS, BOY!

Rose... bud...

OOC: Now, now, my dearest Nathicaniel, we must not be alarmed that the secret of Elven rule of the Triumvirate has been exposed. After all, it is hardly like mere mortal men might resist our sway.

Emperor Treznon nos Ingwe
High King of Elvenkind, Undisputed Supreme Potentate of Sol, Sworn Foe of Mankind

LOL.

Indeed. Have at thee, foul humans, for our pointy ears shall poke out your eyes.

I fear you jest at the expense of our more xenophobic members... go ahead.

ok this might come abit late and ive read the first page or so and must say this:-

Untimely Revenge what are you trying to prove? that you can copy and paste something from the ESUS allaince forum well done you did that. Or are you trying to look like an idiot? well you did that to. see i dont mean this to be a flame and frankly i dont care if you take it as one but WHAT THE BLOODY POINT OF POSTING A THREAD THATS TOTALY OOC HAS NO MEANING TO ANY RPS FROM THE ESUS FORUMS THEN POSTING IT HERE FOR OTHERS TO READ. no offence but thats just stupid and well is something i would expect from a n00b or a crap RPer i my self dont know you and never RPed with you and hence i cant say if your crap but i can now say your childish.

i have more but i know if i carry on i will say something the mods will come down on me hard for.

I fear you jest at the expense of our more xenophobic members... go ahead.
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Okay, so they'll what? Attack the parody nations?

OOC:
The Trimative of Yutt is BAD because it uses swearwords. I want to discuss an allience!

(but only discuss it OOC!!! Planning is OOC so there are no IC plans... then nobody knows anything lol!)

Thanks a lot! I just crapped myself laughing. I'll send you all a dry-cleaning bill to make the GODS WEEP TEARS OF ENNUI! Bwah ha ha haha!

I fear you jest at the expense of our more xenophobic members... go ahead.

Bring it, Bluntears

- Cesarion Calaquendi, Chancellor of the Dominion.

Indeed. Have at thee, foul humans, for our pointy ears shall poke out your eyes.

I'm not afraid of your pointy ear because I have pointy teeth.

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Now, whoever took the data off the ESUS had to be a member or former member. From the looks of it, all they posted was OOC stuff. Good job to Untimely Revenge on that one.

I'm not afraid of your pointy ear because I have pointy teeth.


Nor, I assume, are you actually human, so please, do and a dismissive flick of the wrist followed howl at the moon, or whatever it is you do.

Nor, I assume, are you actually human, so please, do and a dismissive flick of the wrist followed howl at the moon, or whatever it is you do.


I am a vampire, elf. But there are werewolves in my nation. And I like elf blood, it is nice and sweet tasting.

I'm old enough to remember the original GDODAD. Mentioning no names, it had a few excellent players in it, a lot who Klamath recruited who barely posted, and some staggeringly bad ones.

Heh...I was referring to the amount of influence it held over an amazing amount of nations - most not even in the alliance. There was true fear (or at least roleplayed fear) back before "making sense" wasn't always a requirement. Such influence and fear could never be possible nowadays, since everyone has their own uber alliance in their back pocket. I will be the first to admit that leaving the GDODAD and switching to character and plot oriented roleplays was the best thing that ever happened to my roleplaying ability as far as nationstates is concerned, but I can't help but remember the old days. It was a different time...nearly a different game in these forums.

NO MAS! NO MAS!!!

Quite, Steel. It didn't suck back then. Back when I was new, if someone posted something like this, they'd just get ignored. The GDODAD was strong, but that evil "bubble" can kiss my ass!

Well, this is comical.

You think I was actually going to follow through on those plans? I knew very well the alliance as a whole wouldn't go for them and didn't honestly think we'd ever use anything suggested there. This is not the first set of plans for war we have created, and it won't be the last. And all of us knew the real plan would be far different than what was proposed on that thread.

As for intelligence failures: That should have been your first clue this wasn't serious. When they're actually serious, they research their targets. And hell, anyone who has seen me in action knows I prefer to bluff during battle, while those items I suggested are very direct actions.

I do not speak for the alliance and know I am commiting thread necromancy. But I feel my voice is necessary on this issue.

We dropped this long ago. We're very sorry one of your members used your own posts to make you look bad. We've had our laugh, and we've moved on.

Keep in mind I've been gone for over a week due to internet problems. This is all news to me.

Do you see us taking it seriously? Responding to clear up some of the more glaring misconceptions is one thing - that 's something most folks do anyways, yourselves included. I don't see any of the Trium members leaping up and screaming "Oh yeah? Just TRY and fight us!" or anything of the like. I have however, seen some chuckles over the more humorus aspects, and in addition, regret that you've had to deal with this sort of mess.

I think the only ones taking it seriously are yourselves - and considering the breach in trust, I can see why. Let it go, folks. It's not that big a deal on this end. Seems the troubles you have are internal in nature. Again, best of luck in getting them straightened out.

(Once again, personal opinions, I do not presume to speak for the whole alliance.)

This is the only post I will make concerning this issue ....

First of all Kormanthor has always done everything in it's power to protect
Earth and the Sol System and always will. There are many smaller nations on
Earth that have no defense of their own from an attack from space. Because
of this we have made ourselves their self appointed protector. We realize
that there are many nations that are much more powerful then we are,
however we will still protect them with all that we are. We had never heard of the Toy until just recently, we preceived the Toy as a threat to those we protect as well as our own assets on Earth. If Toy is not a threat to Earth, the Sol System or the ESUS then they have no reason to be concerned about us because we hold peace dear above all else.