NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC:
Ugh. You could have pointed out my mistake quietly and let me fix it, but you had to become snotty and sarcastic on IRC. This is why I don't RP.

#Tag# for pomp and general humor of the above post.

Um... given that we ..you know ..move that mapping system would ..well um

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::New Navigational Advisory::

TYL NavServices has recently recieved word of a new area of claimed space in the asteroid belt, however, we are unable to generate a new set of charts to update our existing product as the region claimed is apparently based on a Terra-centri method that continuously causes the restricted zone to shift with Terra's orbit. The claim may also be illegal, as several previously-claimed asteroids seem to pass within it's projected path, at various points along their orbit. TYL NavServices will release a NOFN (Notice Of Navigation) as soon as the situation becomes clear. Please contact Enroute Navigation Services on the SysLink for the most up to date information.

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While we have no claim to asteroids in your stated area we do have claim to one ot two asteroids near by. You stated that you will be doing research or testing of some sort there. While we wont hold your accountable for accidents within your territry, given the nature of your description, we will currently hold you accountable for any accidents that may occur in our territoy or may spread from yours. As previously stated we do not know the exact nature of what you plan to do on your asteroids we are just making it clear that it can in no way effect ours.

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##Begin Standard Diplomatic Transmission##

While we have no claim to asteroids in your stated area we do have claim to one ot two asteroids near by. You stated that you will be doing research or testing of some sort there. While we wont hold your accountable for accidents within your territry, given the nature of your description, we will currently hold you accountable for any accidents that may occur in our territoy or may spread from yours. As previously stated we do not know the exact nature of what you plan to do on your asteroids we are just making it clear that it can in no way effect ours.

##End Transmission##Largent Representitives:
We agree to mutually respect the claims issued by our two nations. The nature of the research and testing scheduled to be performed in our claimed region of the Asteroid belt is, amazingly, not as secretive as a standard weapon test would be. We spend many months, and sometimes even many years, studying an asteroid to deem it suitable for use as a target for weapons that are scheduled for testing. This should assure you that no inhabited asteroid will come under any sort of fire during testing.

Actual tests are few and far between- the claim is only to be enforced during a four-month period, before and after the test. This is only to keep civilian and military vessels of other nationalities safe from the firing zones. Your safety is in our best interests.

Hammerian Department Of Defense

OOC: Not being sarcastic. You have claimed a moving section of space. Earth rotates about the sun, and about it's own axis. How exactly does your claim work? And what about the claimed asteroids that move through your claim?

[[OOC um Foe it goes like this, I’m not complaining about you issuing warnings or seizing space and I doubt Karma is. Were complaining about your mapping system which is just silly. If you have a mapping system based upon a grid that uses EARTH as its main point right, ..the grid co-ords CHANGE for set areas of space as the PLANET ..does what foe come one what does our planet do? ah yes ORBITS. That was just lame foe. Really ..Really ..Lame. /OOC]]

[[OOC um Foe it goes like this, I’m not complaining about you issuing warnings or seizing space and I doubt Karma is. Were complaining about your mapping system which is just silly. If you have a mapping system based upon a grid that uses EARTH as its main point right, ..the grid co-ords CHANGE for set areas of space as the PLANET ..does what foe come one what does our planet do? ah yes ORBITS. That was just lame foe. Really ..Really ..Lame. /OOC]]

OOC: Okay, woo, I made a little typo. Error fixed.

'The Forces of this so called Foe Hammer should be well warned. The Vascilian League holds vast holdings in Sol, many of which are in the asteroid belt. Your armies should be well armed if they would be as bold as to seize what is rightfully ours. Scoundrels, stand back, or we will crush you!'

General Sheikh Navarrone, Aumanii Foreign Ministry

Official statement issued from a Wazzu diplomat in the Martian Duma.


While Wazzu recognizes the claims of nations to specific orbital bodies, many of these including asteroids, it does not recognize claims to space (except for a 10km distance around such bodies and other non-self-accelerationg/permenant claims including space stations and planetary/lunar claims). Nor does the state of Wazzu recognize large volumes of many solar objects.

Recognizing that the Sol Asteroid Belt is largely inhabited and mined, and that many bodies outside this belt such as Sol's Oort Cloud, comets, free or rogue asteroids, and bodies in other solar systems are all well within the Foe Hammer Government's military's reach, Wazzu will hold the government and military of Foe Hammer responsible for any damage to Wazzu public or private property or persons.

The government of Wazzu believes that the well being of everyone is in the interests of the Foe Hammer Military and hopes it's leaders will be exceedingly careful whether or not they choose a better spot to conduct weapons tests.

~Elizabeth (Liz) Wang, Interm. Ambassador, Wazzu

"The Iluvauromeni Federation of Vilya Elenosto will only recognize a 10km (spherical volume) claim around any utilized and/or inhabited celestial body, plus a further two hundred thirty kilometer economic exclusion zone. Naturally, warships need more space to maneuver, and as such we recognize the right of all sovereign states or entities to patrol space with such vessels as they see fit (assuming the vessels operate under the rule of law), but we cannot and will not accept any claim which violates our sovereign right to defence.

"As such, we will not be recognizing those claims which do not fit within our currently accepted policy, and that of the Iluavuromeni Commonality Flag under which we operate."

~ Vilya Elenoston High Lord/Prime Minister Aglar ux-Rihad and the High Lady Danielle

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"Further, the Commonality Space Force shall consider the discharge of weapons within a one hundred thirty thousand kilometer radius of Vilya Elenosto to be an act of piracy and will respond within the United Commonality Government Anti Piracy Act, 02 d.e., which allows for overwhelming force to prevent damage to civilian property."

~ High Fleet Lord Admiral the Right Honourable Sir Indira ux-Rihad

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"It would also be wise to ensure that your ships stay well clear of the Vilya Elenosto-Cyrnal Yste Highway construction area. Trespassers will be considered pirates, and accordingly vaporized."

~ Imperial Trade Conglomerate Security Division

The Cetagandan government has no intention of recognizing any claims to bodies that are already owned by either the Imperial Union, it's district governments, or Cetagandan citizens and businesses. Any attempt to interfere with these posessions, or shipping to and from them, will be treated as an act of aggression. Foe Hammer has no more right to claim the territory of other nations than other nations have to claim the territory of Foe Hammer.

First Speaker Lord Theodore Alton
State Directorate, Imperial Union of Cetaganda

The Cetagandan government has no intention of recognizing any claims to bodies that are already owned by either the Imperial Union, it's district governments, or Cetagandan citizens and businesses. Any attempt to interfere with these posessions, or shipping to and from them, will be treated as an act of aggression. Foe Hammer has no more right to claim the territory of other nations than other nations have to claim the territory of Foe Hammer.

First Speaker Lord Theodore Alton
State Directorate, Imperial Union of Cetaganda
You wouldn't sound so snotty and stuck up if you would have read what I erased from the first post.
This thread is done.

First, I wrote that while I was offline, and posted it without checking to see if you had changed your first post. Second, I did not try to claim several million orbiting objects, including those owned by other people and then retconned it once other people complained, so I have to wonder how I am the one who is snooty and stuck up.

FH- you don't have to delete the whole thread. You could just take out the location an leave the thread as is. Surely there would be no problems with you just claiming a few asteroids and ignoring specific locations.

[OOC: Easier than editing it and making everyone else look strange: just ICly claim it was an error caused by a difference in mapping methods and co-ordinate systems. You were using radians, they were using degrees. That kinda thing. Or heck - blame bureaucracy and translation. ;) It's not like it'd be unrealistic to suggest a government gaffe...

After all, it's actually an OOC error initially. There's no reason why everyone shouldn't accept a good IC explanation, therefore. :)]