NationStates Jolt Archive

Given the large number of participants now involved in this thread due to the ensuing chaos, I feel that an OOC thread has become vital to organising what the hell is actually going on around Zvarinograd and where...

Personally I've got a small fleet on it's way with legimate interests in the nation. We have been allied to Zvarinograd for sometime and now that their nation has once again broken out into open revolt we are offering forces to assist with both the policing of their nation and the fight against terrorism.

Now, I would rather get an idea of the situation as it is currently before I make my approach post, as there could very well be any number of hostile fleets around that nation by now the way people are just rushing in...

So, whats the situation like around the island? I would rather get confirmation about it from Zvarinograd personally, seeing as it's his thread, though the actions of everyone have confused things greatly.

amen to this, my current forces are 100 NLA soldiers 20 of them ae waiting in ambush for the govt forces and the other 80 are waiting to launch an assault on the area 74 compound, I think we should all cool off a bit before continuing to post stuff since Zvar does need to add to this.

Anyways just my opinion.

Agreed. I'd put that in more words, but I'd just be echoing Iraqstan, so I won't.

Anyways: My forces in Zvarinograd---

First Grand Company Chaos Harpies Void Strikers Legion---
1000 Void Strikers of differing quality and skill and suchforth.

Currently located somewhere within 50 klicks of the (Democratic-held, It think) Capital of Zvarinograd. As to how...well...complicated. Rather not get into it. Would be pleased to not get into it. Very pleased.

As to who Impworld is supporting--the answer is everyone and no-one. Freelancers. They have their mission, and the chaos in Zvarinograd is an ideal time to carry that mission out. 'cuz...y'know...

Chaos.

Unsupported, so only VS. -streetch.-

So, you want a list of all i have in the area?

Hogsweatian Forces in and around Zvarinograd
NGV Revolution, CVN
NGV Hometown, DDG
NGV Darkened Skies, DDG
NGV Foghorn, DDG
NGV Boxer, DDG
NGV Roxor, DDG
NGV Fable, DDG
NGV Mountain Goat, DDG
NGV Red Bear, DDG
NGV Citadel, Air Defense Cruiser
-A unit of SpeSO
-two battalions of soldiers

The Star Guard has accepted the commission from the official democratic gov't of Zvarinograd. The three dozen or so ships (two SoL groups) are finishing up with the cascade around Earthbound and will be moving into position over Zvarinograd, assuming neither C'tan, Menelmacar, or NY&J will object. Thirty thousand odd marines on drop status, with a hundred thousand being readied for deployment within a few days. Another SoL group is slinging around the system on regular patrol and won't be taking part in the action unless someone chooses to pick a fight.

The Weyrean government is saying 'meh, we don't care'.

Nada, as per the agreement with Knootoss my forces which never arrived are now pulling back.

I'm surprised your naval forces didn't get any opposition Hogsweat, afterall you're not supporting the Zvarinograd government and as far as I know they got a navy sinse the last incident...

That said, this is part of the problem I'm having with the whole thread. Zvarinograd hasn't made many acknowledgements that forces have arrived in the area without any issues... we have got confirmation with the supporters of the government that Zvarinograd's government is accepting help, but beyond that everyone assumes they reach a suitable landing point without problems.

At least with Hogsweat he's had a chance to do something to stop his forces (which are pro-communist) and simply hasn't reacted to him. However others seem to be automatically assuming they land on the nation without any serious opposition despite the fact that there is at least one fleet outside the nation now.


Aside from this it's promising to see people including what they've got around. Though here are some pieces of information I would find helpful, none of it has to be exact:

Forces: Just a basic description will do, anything from "a couple brigades of unmarked soldiers" to specific information will do. It would be useful just to have a basic idea of whats around.

Locations: More important given that you need to be there to have any real effect, it would be nice to know who is near what; basic information here doesn't need to be specific, one of these three will do: (1) On the mainland, (2) In Zvarinograd waters, (3) In International Waters

The first two determine who is in Zvarinograd and it's waters, the final one determines who is currenty outside of Zvarinograd. This is important because hostile vessals could make getting from (2) to (1) depended on how it's done.

Alliance: Basically which side you are offically on... you may not wish to say in which case you could say "none" though that would put you in a situation where othere may assume your up to no good anyways.


For example:

Iuthia is sending a carrier battle group plus additional escorts to support our troop transport. This transport is carrying a Battalion of Iuthian Black Viper specialists and Peacekeeprs to help restore order in our allies nation.

Currently this group is in international waters on route to Zvarinograd which has confirmed our help is accepted. We are clearly deploying forces to assist Zvarinograd's legitimate government.

Taurenor is currently moving a small group of spaceships into orbit over Zvarinograd, as well as transports ships carrying a battalion of forces.
However it's unclear if they'll even move in closer or just go home. That all depends on what other nations do.

edit: oopsie forgot. I'm allied to VERITAS (long list of nations) and the democrats in Zvarinograd.

Well, with the NLA' first insertion ofpeole, twenty made their way in by rickety boats after being dropped close to the shoreline, six flew in by plane under false pretenses and another 80 landed via troop ships in a fascist held port city.

Other than that my stuff is sitting in international waters being innocent and stuff we're not shooting anything and we're not broadcasting hostile intentions :P

Space Assests:
1st Fleet
Earth Orbit
Admiral Mace Fletcher
SCVN-2802 Yorktown-Flag
SCVN-2803 Valley Forge
SCVN-2804 Franklin D Roosevelt
SCVN-2805 George Washington
10 Resolute class Battleships
20 Hood class Heavy Cruisers
32 Imperator class Light Cruisers
60 Gearing class Destroyers
80 Arione class Frigates

2nd-5th Fleets enbound, make up consistant with the 1st Fleet. 6th and 7th Fleet remaining in call at Chimera and Hope Point respectively

In Zvarinograd:
Location:
Zvarinograd Capital
1,200 troops
05 M6A2 Chevy Light Battletanks(90mm)
40 M8A2 2 1/2 ton Hover-trucks
02 M490 MLRS Launchers
12 M350 105mm towed artillery pieces
Tents, boxes of ammo, food, communications gear

More troops to be expected

Well it appears I am with the Democrats on the outside, since I have attacked the fascistss in the air and i am sending help to the nuclear facility.. it would be fairly well out of order for someone to attack me at this point. All I am adoing is making a station for my forces to operate off.

Since I have been out of more mainstream NS roleplay for the longest time, I would very much like to participate in this RP partially as a way to end my isolation inside the AMW group.

While I don't recall much interaction with Zvarinograd, New York and New Jersey, and Iuthia in the past (to name a few), the Robotic government would probably want to try and fight the spread of facism and oppression.

While LRR has historically never been good at projecting its power, the circumstances could change depending on the technology level.

Is this more futuretech (i.e. extra-sol star systems, FTL travel, etc.) or more post-modern? I haven't had much experience in the post-modern arena, so that would be nice to try.

If the first technology level is what's in place, the Robotic Galactic Flotilla could likely muster an independent cruiser or two supported by up to ten freighter/escorts, bearing a force of perhaps 100,000 troops plus limited heavy equipment, able to be deployed quickly. This force would be, in time, complimented by an amphibious force armed more heavily.

If the second technology level is it, the situation is drastically changed. Given the severely limited logistical capabilities of the Robotic Navy, perhaps 50,000 troops could be comitted to any fighting, albeit furnished with more artillery systems and tanks, within one week of the call for deployment. The three fast RO/RO ships in the RN's inventory would likely support this force, using their high speed to make trips without or with minimal escort. The RN's lack of a strong capital ship force, sacrificed for what is considered a highly effective coastal defense and submarine force, necessitates the use of fast RO/ROs and transport planes.

Menelmacar and Ctan have a loose sort of protectorate relationship with Zvarinograd, thus Menelmacar takes this matter extremely seriously. Ten fleets have been deployed, eight to Zvarinograd, and two to Lethislavania. Each fleet contains fifty gravships of varying class making up a complete combined arms task force, with a couple thousand fighters, several hundred each of bombers, gunships, and dropships, about a thousand armored vehicles, and twenty thousand soldiers. There are also a few hundred Mornahossë with each as well. This is the standard Menelmacari fleet layout.

Isn't ten fleets in a day or so rather excessive dear?

Just so folks know, i'm going to list my mobilizations here. I know I haven't RPed with many of you before. Good to work with those of you here. these will be the troops already in Sol. After will be the reinforcements enroute from the Sslaa system.

Sol system mobilization (mobilization will take two oe three days):

13th, 18th and 23rd Armor Cavalry

Each regiment has 650 Mobile Armor Units as well as their support staff

Total of 1,300 Horde Suit power armor troopers
Total of 300 Thumper artillery assault units
Total of 200 Newt-class Amphibious APCs
Total of 150 Minion Mobile heavy assault units

103rd to 123rd TacSoft trooper infantry

750 Troopers per regiment as well as their support staff

Total of 10,000 Infantry troopers
Total of 4,500 Heavy Assault Infantry
Total of 500 Special Operations Commandoes

15th Aero-Space Superiority Flight

1,250 wings total, plus their support staff

750 Anole IIIc aero-space superiority fighters
250 Swatter aero-space fighter-bombers
200 Reptavian aero-space drop-ships
50 Titan IIc Heavy Troop transports

Sslaa mobilizations (These will take a full week or so to fully mobilize and arrive)

2 full warfleets comprised of 50 ships each

30 Gecko-class Light corvettes
20 Caiman-class Heavy Corvettes
20 Iguana-class Destroyers
14 Drakk-class Heavy Cruisers
6 Boa-class Warcarriers with full ships compliments of fighters, bombers and drop-ships as well as Armor Cavalry troops
8 Wyvern-class Warships with full compliments of infantry troopers
2 Komodo-class Command ships

Imperial Merchant Navy
These are support ships for the fleets

200 I.M.N. Medium freighters
100 I.M.N. Heavy Bulk Transports
25 I.M.N. Hospital Ships
If anyone takes issue with this, let me know and we'll work something out.

Considering the number of participants, especially on the side of the democrats, we need a coordinated IC command structure. Gonna propose it in the next post, unless someone beats me to it.

I'll post this here so as not to clog up the thread ;
How exactly is Siri knowing that these vessels are mine? Does she track my vessels constantly? I know that I should have posted that they weren't flying Hogsweatian flags, but do you really think I am going to go in there with god knows how many nations far times stronger than me and basically say "Wow look, i'm a commie, i'm going to bomb Zvarinograd now."

I'll post this here so as not to clog up the thread ;
How exactly is Siri knowing that these vessels are mine? Does she track my vessels constantly? I know that I should have posted that they weren't flying Hogsweatian flags, but do you really think I am going to go in there with god knows how many nations far times stronger than me and basically say "Wow look, i'm a commie, i'm going to bomb Zvarinograd now."

What flag would you be flying with a fleet in a warzone?

Just a thought here ... because everything is designed differently, everything will look slightly different. Thus someone could look at, say, a carrier, and match it up to a picture of a carrier in their copy of Jane's all the World's Fighting Ships or something, and say "Okay, that's a Utopiastani Goldfish-class strike carrier" or whatever it may be.

It's a little different in NationStates, because there's a great deal of nations with large navies, but still any good intelligence corps ought to be able to work it out.

The problems with this would come in when it's a real-life ship, or when it's sold in a storefront. With the former it's reasonably hard (It's a Nimitz, but whose Nimitz? There are tons of Nimitzes), with the latter it's a little easier, as it's very, very, very hard to hide the purchase of billions of dollars worth of giant floaty metal (It's a Zookazookastani Bubble-class superdreadnought, so it might belong to Zookazookastan, or Utopiastan, or Goldfishland).

With that done, one can do a bit of research to figure out where those ships are; in almost every society, it's very hard to conceal ship movements, and they'll probably be stuff in the papers (the Zookazookastani Bubble-class superdreadnought Mighty Jello has departed for fleet exercises in the Gulf of Zork, or whatever).

Thus, by the process of elimination, one could easily work out if there's ships of a certain class suddenly missing from the public eye, and if your reconnaissance planes are looking at ships of those class flying no flag, it's highly likely you've got a match.

And then, of course, since it's not flying a flag, the ship is probably regarded as pirate or something under the laws of naval engagements (insofar as one may recognise them in NS), and the crews can all be hung from the yardarms.

I hope that made some kind of sense.

(Zookazookastan, Utopiastan, Goldfishland, the Gulf of Zork, the Bubble-class superdreadnought, et cetera are either products of the author's imagination or used ficticiously; I'm not aware that they exist)

What flag would you be flying with a fleet in a warzone?
The UN flag most likely.


I see Tsar. But in the Union, things are kept very secret. It's unlikely that we'll say on TV or in the papers that our ships are leaving; in fact it's all military actions are kept extremely hush hush.

The UN flag most likely.


I see Tsar. But in the Union, things are kept very secret. It's unlikely that we'll say on TV or in the papers that our ships are leaving; in fact it's all military actions are kept extremely hush hush.

Which bring us to..

Whats the UN doing outside of council chambering bickering? The only ones with the authority to dispatch ground forces anywhere is the security council. And seeing as how one does not exist in NS, you'd be treated like a suspect in a murder investigation. Especially with you landing anything or taking any sort of direct involvement within Zvarinograd airspace. You havent stated who you are IC, or who you're working with.

Which aslo brings us the how you mobilised and deployed several fleets into Zvarinograd waters and didn't get noticed... these days we all accept that there are an ungodly amount of satellites up in the sky which are doing nothing but watching movements around the world. Given that you're using a full Carrier Battlegroup which can't really move very fast it's not really all to link all the satellite pictures taken of it and work out where it's going.

Anyways, it's not hard for people to work out that if one group of ships isn't part of a coalition then it's not susposed to be there...

I guess it does. But no-one asked me why i was there. Or who I was.

To be fair, I'm not there yet... the rest, well thats their issue.

Updating.....

Suggestion has been sent to all participants on the democratic side that Menelmacar or Zvarinograd handle the coordination efforts. I'd personally prefer Ren, since it's his country (and his thread) and he knows the conditions there better than anyone else. If there's no IC knowledge about movements, (IC-ly you haven't started movements that can be noticed, or haven't made any IC statements about supprting someone), apologies for putting you as the message's recipient.

Area 74 has been ortilleried, although the main complex and the silo haven't been trageted, and dropships should be coming in soonish, though OOC-ly I doubt they'll be able to stop that missile. No idea whether I hit Hogsweat's people...

Agniiaskaya is getting an assault brigade. 240 powered armor units are going for the mountain Ren mentioned that's near the city, the rest will be setting up roadblocks and preparing for the rest of the marines. ATM the area's got three wings (36) Weyrean parasites (fighters) watching to hit anything that shoots at them. Since my ortillery capability is really horrible (they're the main guns on my 60-year-old cruisers @_@), there won't be any ortillery strikes on the city.

For reference, in case I forget/got to mention it, each parasite has two smaller semi-autonomous drones slaved to it and controlled partly by the pilot. They're basic suicide drones with a pair of AA/AS missiles and a gatling, and the reason for why there are so few official parasites assigned to each Hive carrier. A squad of marines is made up of a machine gunner, a grenadier (40mm cannon), and two rifles. Well...guess that's about it for the warfare specs. I don't know where my distribution notes went, so...

Squad -- 4
Platoon -- 12/16 (3/4 squads)
Company -- 60/80 (5 platoons)
Batallion -- 180/240 (3 companies)
Brigade -- 540/720(3 Batallions) + artillery + engineer + logistics

So...about 800 soldiers working on setting up camp and 240 working on taking the mountainside. But first, an aerial strike. *wanders off to work on the actual post*

I guess it does. But no-one asked me why i was there. Or who I was.

Umm..normally when you go help someone you openly state you're doing so...unless you have something to hide. A Carrier Battlegroup sitting and launching strikes within another countries territory and not saying why they are there who they are supporting ends up being on the muzzel end of a gun.