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To: All Haven nations
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Land purchase

We would like to inquire whether or not it would be possible for the FKC to purchase land within Haven, preferably on the unoccupied island south of Ilek-Vaad, since this seems to be an established precedent re: Menelmacar. We believe it is only diplomatic to consult with all Haven nations since the land in question is, to the best of our knowledge, unoccupied and that we don’t know what authority to approach regarding large real estate transactions.

Among other reasons, we are becoming increasingly worried over our shipping routes to Haven due to recent events and feel we need to establish some kind of presence to safeguard our routes and those of other FKC states that have interests in Haven.

We are, of course, open to any diplomatic negotiations regarding this matter.


OOC: Let me know via telegram if there are any details that I may have overlooked since I'd like to keep ooc chatter to a minimum. Constructive criticism is welcome. OOC trash talk is not. If you feel the need to puff out your chest then do it Icly rather than hiding behind the ooc tag. This means you Scandavian States, and anyone else who engages in that practice. If you disregard this fair warning, I'll have your post removed by the mods.

The national congress of the Militaristic Commu-Democracy of Jondera ((later to be refered to as the JCDJ)) have come to the conclusion that the FKC would be a welcome addition to Haven, and will support the purchase of land by said entity.

In other words, sure.

While Iuthia may not be a true Haven nation, we feel are pleased that our friends in Vrak are being cautious about such a move and of course we have no objections to any Haven nation selling your nation land to use as an outpost.

I imagine that most Haven nations will not be violently opposed to such a legal transfer of land, at most some may display their disaproval due to the minor history between Haven nations and FKC nations. Though we sincerly doubt that even Scandavian States, a nation which has made a number of diplomatic faux pas in past events, would not be so irresponsible as to threaten military actions over a legitimate transaction... even if you were to conduct it without consultation.

In anycase we wish you the best of luck.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

TO: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
FR: Her Imperial Majesty's Foreign Service
SUB: Re: Land purchase

While we do not generally oppose migration or the establishment of colonies by outside nations, and will not in this case, there are generally a few things wrong with the Menelmacar precedent that you have cited and we will list those.


1) Nobody really owns the land, most of us consider it a joint trust to be held against aggressive action and given out at will as required by outsiders.

2) The Noldorin Empire purchased two section of land within a sovereign nation, again the land trust proves to be the differing concept.

What we propose is that the matter be brought before a vote of the OHS. We do not anticipate that the vote should fail or that a general positive concensus cannot be reached, there is after all another regional colony within Haven and thus the precedent is set. However, understand this, whatever the individual nations within Haven may disagree upon in other matters, no nation in this region will tolerate unauthorized and/or aggressive land-grabbing. The Imperium hopes, nay believes, that the Federated Klatchian Coast realizes this and will be both patient and cooperative in this time of scrambling to find a new order and balance within the region.

The Diplomatic Corps was heartened by the encouragement from Jondera and Iuthia. Even the neutral-sounding message from Scandavian States was seen as positive. However, it was only a first step and a legal team was in the final steps of being assembled and briefed on the situation. They would head out to Haven along with other FKC states should it be necessary. The Vrakian ambassador in Ilek-Vaad was also informed.


To:
The JCDJ
Foreign Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps

We thank you for your positive words in this affair. We hope that is it resolved quickly and smoothly.



To:
Her Imperial Majesty's Foreign Service
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps

We are willing to make our case heard before whatever OHS political body is necessary and, of course, shall abide by the OHS vote, should that be the mechanism used. All we ask is that we be given a fair chance to make our case heard should there be any concerns.

Again, we stress that we are seeking to buy the land for a reasonable price, not seize the territory by force of arms.

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The Free Republic will support the Nation of Vrak in acquiring territory in Haven. We are pleased that a nation that intends to acquire land actually comes to the regional community and states it's intentions BEFORE the sale or seizure of lands.

We humbly disagree with the Imperium that this matter needs to brought up and voted upon by the Organization of Haven States. The Eternal Noldorin Empire was not required to make such an application and neither was the Scarlett Empire when they seized several islands in the Haven straights.

It would be hypocrisy to require the Glorious Kingdom to meet criteria that were not required in the past in dealings with other nations. I think that the states in Haven that border such a land acquisition are the only states that reasonably need to approve, or disapprove of the deal, and that the rest of the region should be kept apprised of the situation and consulted.

Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ilek-Vaad

I think that the states in Haven that border such a land acquisition are the only states that reasonably need to approve, or disapprove of the deal, and that the rest of the region should be kept apprised of the situation and consulted.

Or face the threat of military aggression? Personally we are pleased that Vrak has consulted with nations first... however it's hardly a requirement as Edolia never consulted with nations when offering Iuthia land for a military base in their nation. It's simply a matter of curtsy, not requirement.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Or face the threat of military aggression? Personally we are pleased that Vrak has consulted with nations first... however it's hardly a requirement as Edolia never consulted with nations when offering Iuthia land for a military base in their nation. It's simply a matter of curtsy, not requirement.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps


We have explained our stance in the previous matter with Menelmacar to the satisfaction of all the parties involved and have concluded a peaceful settlement. We will not take military action against the Glorious Kingdom precisely because they took the very courteous step of consulting with their new regional neighbors, something that the Eternal Noldorin Empire did not.

I enjoy the sense of sarcasm that Iuthian diplomats often show.

Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ilek-Vaad

Are you suggesting that should another nation buy land without informing you in the future, that military action would once again be concidered?

We find such actions to be crude at the best of times; at best such actions damage a nations reputation as a stable entity in the international community, at worse it could result in a somewhat nasty war over what is basically a nation enforcing it's will over another in the name of "diplomacy".

We hope that in the future more restraint is shown, unless you want Ilek Vaad to be branded with a reputation which isn't associated with being strongly opposed to imperialism, but instead for brash actions instead of polite inquiry.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

This is not the proper forum for answering such questions. If you believe that you have valid concerns about Vaadian foreign policy , then by all means feel free to contact me.

Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ilek-Vaad

OOC: Let's not hijack Vrak's thread ;) ............. yet

OOC: Let's not hijack Vrak's thread ;) ............. yet

OOC: Well, to be honest I didn't intend to continue with it much more myself as I became more aware that we're taking up alot of posts, though as I'm sure you are aware I couldn't resist especially given the circumstances.

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To: All Haven nations
From:Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: land purchase

To date, we have only received support from the nations of Jondera and Ilek-Vaad in our efforts to purchase land in Haven, while Scandavian States offered a polite response. As well, we received unexpected support from Iuthia. However, we are dismayed in not hearing from other Haven nations.

We realize that this affair may be low in terms of priority, but we would like an answer. The FKC is willing to pay a reasonable price for the land as is ready to negotiate with whatever political body deemed appropriate for this matter.

<<OOC: Well... as I've said before, generally I don't really feel that these open spots are unoccupied, as nations that come there are generally considered to have always been there, but I don't see any reason why we can't change that here (since you'd get the land either way).>>

"The Scarlet Empire has no problems with seeing the Glorious Kingdom establish a land base within Haven. Our two nations have always had good relations, and I hope that this precedent will continue onwards into the future."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Right, I understand that Edolia. I'm just a little curious how no one discussed price. :)

IC:

To: Matthew von Pickett, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Edolia
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: land purchase

We thank you for your support. Just a minor point of clarification; the land purchase is for the entire FKC, and not just Vrak, of which we are but one state.

Still, we shall assemble a small exploration fleet to survey the land and its inhabitants, if any.

<<OOC: I don't really see purchase as that important... just pretend you bought it. The way people throw around money, it really wouldn't make that much of a difference either way.>>

OOC: Okay.

IC:

Projection fleet #50, just after her shakedown cruise, was ordered to deploy to the newly acquired territory in Haven. Accompanying them were several support ships, mostly oiler and supplies for the crew along with a few amphibous carriers. However, they mostly housed engineering battalions which would build towns and roads and, if needed, fortifications.

Along with the military, several corporate teams were tagging along. Most of them excelled at surveying and exploration - having proved themselves in the jungles of EvilPsychoticGuy. Some small teams of biologists and anthropologists were also on hand, to identify the wildlife and make contact with any primitive tribes they may encounter.

The fleet was set to deploy within two weeks.

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To: All Haven nations
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: land purchase

Having recently acquired territory in Haven, we are now readying a small exploration fleet to survey and secure the land. We will be taking a long route which will bring us close to Ilek-Vaad then south to the target. We ask that you recognize our purposes.

To: Ilek-Vaad
From: Vrak

We will be sending an exploration fleet to secure the land recently acquired. If necessary, we ask if we can use your facilities for any repairs, maintenance, and shore leave - depending on the circumstances. We will, of course, reinburse you.

To:Vrak Diplomatic Corps.
From: Assistant to the Minister of Foreign Affairs

Forces of the Glorious Kingdom of Vrak and their trusted FKC allies are more than welcome to use the military ports at Costa-Tula, Costa-Mela, Coventry, South Haven , Syracuse and Corcyra.

If you require any assistance, we have several Tactical Groups in the Southern Haven Straits at all times and they will be alerted to your presence and will stand ready to give you what ever assistance you may require.

Welcome to Haven.

Sir Alec Connover

OOC: Map of the Free Republic can be found here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7974291#post7974291)