NationStates Jolt Archive

This is the thread where most things are explained and how the world 10,000 AD is. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384142)

Welcome to a whole new roleplaying format. The newest and the most promising this type is certainly worth trying out. Don't know what I'm talking about? Storytelling is the key word in this forum NationStates but International Incidents have most action/activity. A perfect combination between those two is presented here.

A fine example of the new roleplay style, void of numberwanking or any other form of disruptive trends dominating II. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384460)

Anti-Future plays in the distant future of earth. The climate has drasticly changed in Europe, making it an everlasting land of taiga and tundra. What happened or is happening in America is not known to any one in Europe, Asia or Africa, the new home of the European cultures.

In 10,000 AD the world has witnessed nothing but misery and a tough struggle for survival. Clans, tribes and communities fight bloody wars with armies larger than any earth has ever seen. The battlefields are even more insane than the slaughter at Verdun amplified by ten. Social structure, economic policy and military inventions have stopped when the last empires collapsed.

Where is the RWC? Gone and forgotten. The founder destroyed by unsatisfied members. Nobody mourns a single moment about them.
Where is NATO? Destroyed and spat at. Nations left and the ones remaining got involved in a brutal conflict for power.
Where is METUS? It fell apart after the leader was assassinated by a mercenary group.
Where is the NWO? Fell apart after the leader was destroyed and members started to argue and fight with each other.

All alliances are gone. All nations have ceased to exist. You are on your own.

And that's not everything, humanity never learns. This was the First War, the Great War will consume and destroy everybody and everything. Oil, the black blood of the global economy, is running out. Oilwells are drying up and tensions are rising. The era of total chaos and anarchy follows after the cataclysmic events and that's where you are.

Since there aren't any nations left, everybody starts equal! The borders are gone, curiosity in science has abandoned man and history is unknown and nobody wants to know about it. It doesn't matter what happened back then it happened and nothing can change it!

And how do you fight? Fly and bomb places with hot-air balloons, dirigibles or other flying engines of destruction! Drive around with steam-powered warmachines or kill opposition with a volley of gunfire from lined up soldiers. Horses and guns, swords and bows it's a crude mix between 18th century scientific knowledge, 19th century industry and 16-18thth century weaponry.

Note: This is not fantasy RP, the laws of nature apply.

Um, isn't it kinda godmodey to say that four entire alliances have arbitarily collapsed just because you say so?

I think that he means that they have for the purposes of this particular RP that he's come up with.

i.e. this is a one-off RP that is unaffected by previous NS, and will not affect any other topics.

Correct me if I'm wrong (likely) or presumptious (certainly), but that's my thoughts.

Alternatively, he could be an utter God-Modder, but hey, c'est la vie

Um, isn't it kinda godmodey to say that four entire alliances have arbitarily collapsed just because you say so?

i suppose it is but this is for a new rp idea. The idea is that no nations or allainces exist as we know it. What would be the point in the rp style he is suggesting when you still have these masive allainces? This rp style is set very far in the future

i suppose it is but this is for a new rp idea. The idea is that no nations or allainces exist as we know it. What would be the point in the rp style he is suggesting when you still have these masive allainces? This rp style is set very far in the future

Chief problem with that is:

All alliances are gone. All nations have ceased to exist. You are on your own.

Clans, tribes and communities fight bloody wars with armies larger than any earth has ever seen.

Does...Not...Compute...

Um, isn't it kinda godmodey to say that four entire alliances have arbitarily collapsed just because you say so?If I said well alliance A is still there and nation B still lives then it's absolute godmod no discussion. If I did then no one would even play. The only faction which survived is a NPC. so no one has any type of advantage.
In this RP you start anew and everyone is equal. Where this RP starts the world is almost done rebuilding and you can do whatever you want. There's no UN, no international laws there aren't even real national laws. The four alliances are just of the top of my head, there aren't any alliances left. Individual alliances is another story, but those are rare and haven't been RPed yet. Most nations fight with each other for resources, slaves or whatnot. To put it simple: you start on your own in this RP without any help.

There's hardly any room to godmod in this new format, you're making new alliances, new allies, enemies, trade partners, competition while fighting/building your new empire. What you did in the past doesn't have any meaning here, since you (as a nation) also no longer exist. You can rebuild your nation and name it after yourself again... I don't care. Just read the RP and you'll understand.

Chief problem with that is:
Does...Not...Compute... Maybe I've been a little hasty saying that, but it will happen.

Nation doesn't exist is a very loose therm so to speak. You are gone in the books but your people still live, divided and seperated. There's no unity anymore. If there were alliances then you might as well have a modern tech. It will add up, just the story develop.

Some things may seem a little absurd or unrealistic but it work out.

Only really said godmodish because of the notes of precisely how four particular alliances broke up and who turned on who [which is really up to their players, after all]; it's not a problem so much just saying 'they're gone' if this is an alternate reality kinda thingy.

*must read for everyone*


Thanks, but I don't see why I had to read that.

Note: This is not fantasy RP, the laws of nature apply.This sort of requires alliances like, say, Metus (Dragons, magical Emperors, friggin Valar and Balrogs etc. etc.) to never exist to begin with.

I strongly suggest reading up a little (Ya'know, content) about such minor details before using OMG NAMES! in order to sound big and amazing. And possibly brilliant.

Okay people..

A. Its an idea, if you don't like it, you don't have to bash the person about it. Try to say something constructive and don't be so negative about everything all the time?

B. It takes place in the distant future so what I gather from it, we've all blown ourselves into oblivion (much like what is taking place now apparently by what I read in the forums anyways) and no one really gives a rat's ass about alliances because we have all blown ourselves into the dark ages once more.

I wouldn't jump so quickly to call it godmodding because there is no advantage being taken here, the slate is being wiped clean to prevent most retards from godmodding to begin with.

Try to comprehend a little and understand the concept before putting down the idea. I understand that some may not want to participate because you must have your toys, others may not have the God given talent to create so much as a paragraph to introduce yourselves into the story so..

Cheers!

PS Hopefully everyone got what they wanted for the commercialized holiday?

Henrytopia, there should be a law against being as sanctimonious as that.

Try to comprehend a little and understand the concept before putting down the idea. I understand that some may not want to participate because you must have your toys, others may not have the God given talent to create so much as a paragraph to introduce yourselves into the story so..

And other may have, y'know, genuine concerns about the workability of the concept which could be used to make it better. Giant armies just don't work well with a fragmented society, you'd be more likely to have warlords and little raiding parties because OMG MIGHTY ARMIES need formalised logistics regardless of what age you happen to be in. Even in a past setting, your men still need equipment, food, water, weapons, housing...Otherwise they'll have awful morale and get bork3d by tiny groups who do have those things.

Only really said godmodish because of the notes of precisely how four particular alliances broke up and who turned on who [which is really up to their players, after all]; it's not a problem so much just saying 'they're gone' if this is an alternate reality kinda thingy. Well the alternate future isn't going to happen on NationStates anytime soon so why not speculate a little? Space age technology is as plausible as this type of future tech. Moreover, earth is running out of oil so this can be a very likely future.

This sort of requires alliances like, say, Metus (Dragons, magical Emperors, friggin Valar and Balrogs etc. etc.) to never exist to begin with.

I strongly suggest reading up a little (Ya'know, content) about such minor details before using OMG NAMES! in order to sound big and amazing. And possibly brilliant. METUS is Greater Prussia, GDODAD and Arda I am fully aware of that and the fact a (large?) piece of METUS is modern. I gave it names but it doesn't matter actually. I might as well call them X or Y. When things are named they sound more realistic and add more variety to the RP. It also makes things more interesting. This is a future for earth, just like space is.

PS: Well said Henry :)

EDIT: I must add, we are still in the begin phase of a whole new concept. I have a storyline for myself, and what other participants do is their story. This RP format is very flexible.

Might be fun....

Giant armies just don't work well with a fragmented society, you'd be more likely to have warlords and little raiding parties because OMG MIGHTY ARMIES need formalised logistics regardless of what age you happen to be in.

I agree wholeheartedly there, giant armies don't work well in a fragmented society but there have been instances in the past where it was possible to successfully march large forces into battle. Nothing of the scale and complexity we have now though. It would be a logistical nightmare trying to take a large army into battle.

This would take a little work and some creativity to RP, more so than say.. "My third tactical wing of F35 fighter bombers releases a flurry of missiles and ...."

It is a different concept.. throw away the trappings of MT and FT and try to make it with near primitive weaponry and the lack of alliances with 100+ nations.

Sorry if I seemed a little defensive, I just thought it deserved a little better treatment than being bashed right away. Personally, I do not have the caliber RP skill to participate in something like that, I wish I was that well rounded to do so though.

Just my .03 cents.

Henrytopia, everybody is welcome. That's good thing of this RP you don't need an all-consuming economy or 3 billion pop to join in.

Million man armies will come later, we're just introducing ourselves. Let the story roll and everything will fall into place. Who cares about logistics at this moment, most people are hunters/foragers. At some points life was thrown back to the stone age. When the RP (and the players) develop, there will be more talk of primitive logistical means.

I don't really understand what everyone's problem is here. Aside from the 'massive armies clashing' thing, which GM already took care of, the idea sounds very workable and much more playable than having 125 different earths. This sounds like a fresh and very interesting idea, rather than the same old, rehashed BS of 'Hmmm. DickSexton, Emporer of Bonghittersvylle, already claims Tibet in earth 1-9. Best I make earth 10 so I can have it'

One of the biggest problems about NS, in my opinion, is the fact that everyone has to poke their noses into everything and instantly squeel 'GODMODD! 0 j00 fukcer! That won't wrk!' as soon as a new idea comes up, yet if I started Earth #7888776665554443333 I would have people clamoring to claim Gbraltar.

I understood from the get-got that Henry wasn't just saying 'these alliances are gone. I killed them and now they're meaningless' and I think, had any of the rest of you stopped to read before shouting 'THIS IS THE WORST IDEA', would have seen that as well. This is the future, and regardless of what their modern-day players say, in Henry's reality, they're gone. As for wiping four of the 'great *snicker* alliances out of the picture, I'm all for that. Again, it comes back to the 'Which earth are we using, because HsitEaterz already claims that in earth 420.' Your alliances mean dick unless everyone involved aknowledges their presence. Henry's idea, imho, is much more feasible than tacking on another useless earth.

This idea is no different than our mutual agreement on the seperation of space tech, fantasy-based, modern, or porno-vision RP. As for GMC's 'workable' argument, while I agree to a certain extent that the idea does need a bit of rehashing, I would say its easily as doable as the 500 or so nations in II who, every single day, release 10 million man armies. Let's face it. Logistics and logic itself has never been much of a concern here at NS.

This sort of requires alliances like, say, Metus (Dragons, magical Emperors, friggin Valar and Balrogs etc. etc.) to never exist to begin with.

I strongly suggest reading up a little (Ya'know, content) about such minor details before using OMG NAMES! in order to sound big and amazing. And possibly brilliant.

And I suggest that you read up a little on what he wrote in the first place, which is that regardless of wether or not these guys had dragons and ice-giants, that shit is over. Henry's alternate reality doesn't have shit like that. Why? Because it's his show to run.

/early morning rant.

<Taps Pantera with a stick>

Um, it's Guffingford's RP.

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Ditto.. its not my RP.. just my early morning defensive rant. LOL

(Mental note to self: drink coffee prior to logging in to the forum)

<Taps Pantera with a stick>

Um, it's Guffingford's RP.

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/early morning rant.


Still chugging coffee. Gimme a break ;)

S'all right, as you can see by my edit, my rant was induced due to a lack of coffee, not that it would not have occurred if I had it.

Thanks for the good post Pantera!

i'd like to join this... new to NS rp so a clean slate deal seems appealing.
concept seems pretty cool to me, mad max meets the napoleonic wars kinda thing.
i've some issues with the practicality of the massive armys, and the primacy of oil in an economy based on pre-internalcombustion technology, but i'm sure that stuff will work it's self out... so when and how exactly do we start?

I too have an intrest in trying this out.

I'm glad to see this in NS forums where (i thought) it belongs.

I opened this thread thinking, YES, i was meaning to suggest he put a thread in NS as well cos the ideas more than good enough. And then i see all you people insane bickerings.

POINT 1: This is an RP, he can do what he wants, you don't like any part of it, it's none of your business

POINT 2: It's a great idea shut up and get nationing :D

POINT 3: Have a cookie

I opened this thread thinking, YES, i was meaning to suggest he put a thread in NS as well cos the ideas more than good enough. And then i see all you people insane bickerings.

Um, 's a difference between pointing out contentious points and 'insane bickering.'

I think RPs like this are a good idea - there's only so much coordinating you can do for regular rps to make them fit any kind of sensible timeline. Having one that's got nothing to do with what happens now is a break from all the effort of consistent stuff.

So if I'm correct, we're basically rping small groups/clans ranging from family groups to former nations who still have reasonably close unofficial ties, or just generally people living in the area of what used to be our nation, and the world is one big free-for-all. Funfun.

Sounds fun...sign me up.

Yes, although i must say some people are having trouble leaving the idea of big nations with flashy tech behind.

And i meant insane bickering as in... its insane that you should eb bickering.

ooc: Wow! This is one of the best ideas I have seen in ages. Can I join?

ooc: Wow! This is one of the best ideas I have seen in ages. Can I join?

Everybody who's interested is free to join, I do like to make a new thread for this. The original one is getting a bit filled.

I don't get why you people are so incensed about godmodding over an idea which is basically a Crimson Skies-like world.................

I don't get why you people are so incensed about godmodding over an idea which is basically a Crimson Skies-like world.................Well when some super self-confident leaders of powerful alliances see their alliance has been destroyed in the future they cannot accept it. Anti-future is the exact opposite of regular future. Where there's progress and quite the same alliances in future and continue to expand there aren't any left in anti. Godmodding is unfair advantage of one (or more) players but there's no advantage here. I mean, everything is gone.

Well when some super self-confident leaders of powerful alliances see their alliance has been destroyed in the future they cannot accept it.

It's more when you say 'nations [Y] turned on nation [X]' when you don't own any of those nations. Saying 'alliance [Z] is gone' is fine here, roleplaying other people's nations kicking each other is bad. hell of a mercenary who could kill the leader of METUS].

I understand, but does it matter in the end? Everybody is gone and those who RP can rebuild whatever they want. Sometimes there's a difference between godmodding and ordinary storytelling. It all happened here, nothing can be changed and nobody has any kind of advantage.

Like I said, if I said well, METUS is still alive and he and he... Would that be fair to the remaning? No, they want to be alive too. The plain base of this RP is to start from scratch and you can't do it without alliances or personal alliances. And besides, this is freeform RP.

I have more tricks up my sleeve than anyone might think. Give me the oppertunity and I can accomplish it.

Point is they're not worth mentioning at all if you want that effect, s'all.

So does that mean that all good alliances are gone and only the mercenaries alliances exist or are the mercenaries too powerhungry to not kill eachother? Can we be bad guys? Like be the runner of a crime corporation. That governs its self on an island the size of half of Europe that was broken in half by heavy nukes. That were repeatidly fired there by a hermit who was imployed by the Corporation. That'd be cool and we could have many men who would strugle for power and incapacitate the current leader. Who'd get lucky and survive and then run away to a secret cave? Im just getting my ideas out into the open so they can form properly.