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As many of you know, Protestantism on NS is a very rare thing to encounter. If you have any religion at all it tends to be Catholic for some reason. My region of Greater Prussia used to be the only solidly Protestant region in the NS world until Catholic nations moved in.

What we need to do, my fellow Protestants, is take stock of the situation in which we find ourselves, and seek to reposition ourselves so that we are no longer subserviant in any way to Rome.

This is a conference where doctrine shall be discussed, but more importantly, this is a conference where that doctrine's application will be discussed and we shall seek to find ways, and pray to God to help us find the way to reassert Protestantism so that it returns to its former glory and sheds the chains placed upon it by both ecclesiastical and worldly sources.

This conference shall be held in the Capitol City of Reichsburg in the Kingdom of Reichskamphen and shall be chaired by the former Emperor of Greater Prussia who was and is one of the most successful Protestant ministers.

Please send word quickly of your attendance.

Sincerely,
Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns
Religious Advisor to His Majesty, Napoleon IV, Emperor of Greater Prussia

I am a Buddist nation, so I will abstain from this debate.

To The Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns,

What Glory? To paraphrase the Protestant Revolution in so many words; People decided they'd rather have a potluck. Just Pray. Sheesh.

Lawrence Etienne
The Roman Catholic Parish of Saint Jude

OOC: No Papist flaming here either. Either be constructive or keep the devil out.

bumperoo

Reverend Rainley from Jeruselem is attending as an observer to use his free air ticket to Reichskamphen provided by someone else (a Protestant who no one likes in Jeruselem).

The time has come because of the number of Catholics and other religions entering our region the political climate has shifted to one that is pro-Rome and this is a dangerous factor that will affect us until we remedy this situation. I am calling on all true Protestant countries to stand together in this time of need. Remember we do not put ourselves under any authority of the Roman Church and the minute that such an event attempts to take hold we must be ready to resist with every ounce of strength that we have as a whole. Only as an allied front will we be able to withstand the onslaught that we will be faced with. I do not say that we should remove the nations that are not Protestant in nation they must just be willing to submit to our ideological ideals and not use their numbers to hinder us in our mission. We must be under no person in Rome or any other region. The only person that we should answer to is Jesus himself. The emperor does have power, but we must understand that his power is political not religious like the leader of Rome. We must protect what is ours and defend our livelihood for our children.
I submit this with the understanding that you may agree with parts and not all or you may want to go farther. I look forward to the discussions that it will bring. I pray that God will be with you as this time of trial approaches.

C\2nd Lt Eubanks
S.C.C.C.
The emperor of the Old Corps

OOC: Jerusalem, Rainley will be able to attend as a guest of the Reichskamphian delegation, but he cannot represent Jeruselem. Jeruselem is not a Protestant Country and you yourself are not Protestant. However I will allow Rainley to attend as long as he is part of my delegation.

IC: Old Corps, you indeed speak much truth. The decision of what to do with Greater Prussia is only part of what shall be discussed. We shall also place our telescope on the situation facing the entire Communion of believers.

Rome can never be submitted to or obeyed. When this happens, as it is happening now, we bring ourselves all the closer to the end times.

I would urge you to name your representative to the conference as soon as you can.

Yours in Christ,
Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns

You speak of fighting the power of the pope, of righting the wrongs. But let us for a moment use common sense. The Catholic Church is the largest most influential Christian institution in the world. Not only that, it has the largest membership of any Christian denomination. While this does not mean we should submit to the pope, it does mean we should take his words under advice. You all seem to be willing to forget that most Christians in the world follow the word of the pope. So by rejecting the pope and his teachings out right, you are splitting the Christian faith in a time when it cannot afford to do so. Once again, I do not believe submitting to the pope is by any means correct, but we most take what he says and does into consideration, if only to keep our faith unified.

My God Bless You,

Rev. Hans Von Bismarck
Leader of the Lutheran Church, Kordo Synod

The founder of your Church, the Lutheran Church certainly had a quite differant view than you posess.

I submitt, as Calvin has said, that Christian unity for the sake of unity is no unity at all. Unity must not merely be bound in christian love, although that is a huge part of it, but it must also be grounded in a common faith and in doctrinal agreement. By this, I mean you don't have to cross my every t and dot every i. Differing opinions and doctrines are expected. However, sometimes the differances are so vast and so unscriptural and unChristian that there can be no unity.

The Church of Rome has not changed demonstrably in any of its doctrines that caused your founder, Martin Luther, to separate from them. Many in Rome are quite proud about this and brag about it. Plus, as a Lutheran you are excommunicated and viewed as to be going to hell. The Pope's only concerne with you and indeed with the rest of us is to get us back into the Roman Church.

We will find ourselves in great peril if we forget the great gains of the Reformation and why we are Protestant. Our church and practices didn't merely fall out of the sky with a pink bow on them. There is history behind it! And when we forget why we are not Catholic, then we will become Catholic again as I note many Lutheran churches are seeking the Ecumenical road as well as the Anglican church who just recently said that the Pope would be the universal Primate of the church when...not if...they joined together.

The Pope is a man who claims for himself the glory and power of God almighty and indeed exalts himself above the trinity. I recognize the authority of no man who claims to be the vicar or replacement on earth for Jesus Christ himself. That man is a blasphemer. We don't need a Replacement for Jesus Christ as he clearly said in the scriptures that his spirit would always be with us.

I come from a differant point of view than many of todays modern protestants. This is exactly why we need to have a conference and speak about our ideas no matter how differing they are, and to remember, that surrender is not a form of victory.

Please, post who your representative will be.

Yours in Christ,
Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns

I will attend myself.


And let myself be clear, I do not believe we should submit to the pope or his athority at all. However, since so many of our fellow Christians do, we must at least take what the pope says into consideration. This does not mean we do what he tells us to. We simply must realize that he wields a signifigant amount of influence in the world. Further more, in this current day in age, Christian unity is more important then every. Without unity how can we win new converts? How can we save the world if we can not accept each other? How can we hope to save others when we cannot even accept our fellow Christians and their beliefs and if possible help each other?

May God bless you and your followers,

Rev. Hans Von Bismarck



ooc: Man! I didn't know this was going to get so deep, going to have to do more research on this......

OOC: Yea, I used to be Catholic myself. I wanted to be a priest. There is a reason I left haha. I am relatively versed in Protestant and Catholic theology and appologetics. I even try to keep myself up a bit with the most confusing and complex Cannon law that Rome has.

IC: Your points are noted and will be discussed, and I have to say, this actually will be one of the heavier points of discussion during the conference.

Yours in Christ,
Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns

If you have any religion at all it tends to be Catholic for some reason.

We beg to differ. In Callisdrun, weekly worship service attendance is quite high, and the nation's places of worship in outstanding condition. We are not Catholic. And technically, we do 'protest' the Pope, in a way. Indeed, Callisdrun is a highly devout nation... of pagans.

-King Haakon IX

OOC: Didn't even see the necessity of that comment, but I will shrug my shoulders. Takes all kinds.

Vice President Conners smiled as he looked over the Invitation to the Protestant Conference. He packed it into his suitcase, and closed it. Picking up the suitcase and heading down the stairs to the foyer of the White House, he exited to the driveway and climbed into the Limo "To Airforce One, Driver."

Reverend Rainley was waiting for his escort after his flight had landed at the Reichsburg airport (or whatever it is named). The Inquisition had paid for his flight and even made sure he boarded the plane to Reichskamphen and it left on time. They even gave him some spending money so he could stay longer, so he guessed they wanted to have a lazy Christmas.

He had been told someone would pick him to from the airport to the conference. He guessed it would some Church official but he had no idea. In Jeruselem, a Protestant minister stuck out like a radioactive mirrorball, but in Reichskamphen he blended in well. He sat down and waited.

Another Protestant Minister sat next to him and asked "I know who you are ... that guy from the Holy Land. I forgot your name ...". "Reverend Rainley, that is" he replied. They both started yakking about the usual issues.

Archbishop Fenwyld Barrak, leader of the Urukkian Nationalist Lutheran Church and Speaker for the Urukkian Council of Bishops, will be traveling to attend this conference with a security advisor (Taer Gal) of Sfalat (Urukkian Secret Police) as his bodyguard.

They will arrive by noon tomorrow. (upon submission of post RL)

We look forward to a discussion in Christian fellowship that will promote the interests of Christians the world around.

To:Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns
Religious Advisor to His Majesty, Napoleon IV, Emperor of Greater Prussia

From: The Isax Theocratic Order, Office of the High Leadership

Your invitation, though not specifically directed to us, nonetheless intrigues us.
Isax is not a nation welcome throughout mainstream Christendom. We are despised because of our unique biblical interpretations. We interpret the bible as a set of false documents written by the servants of Satan to mislead the faithful. While some of the bible is in the spirit of what God announced, some of it is the work of the devil.
Our religion advocates that God created man to continue the work of creation, to perfect his works through whatever tools we had available. Traditionally, before the modern methods were available, we utilised a clever breeding program in both our human members as well as with other species in order to create greater perfection. As more technology became available, we used genetic engineering and biochemistry to further our purposes.
Our interpretation of Christ is differing in that Christ while sacrificing himself to save us from sin also had the purpose of introducing more perfect genetic material into the human genome, an intervention by God. Christ in fact had a male child called Isax who later created and forged our order.
We hope this background will help you understand us better and that you may invite an Isaxu delegate to your summit as guests.
Thankyou in advance,

Matthew
Diplomatic Unit 201

The Democratic Confederation of Yerffej would like to send Reverend Tony Stancil, the most influential Protestant pastor in Yerffej to this summit.

We should also like to express the opinion that while the pope, the leader of our friends and allies Catholics, surely has good intentions, he does not always make decisions in the best interests of Protestants.

May we inquire as to when this summit will begin?

Good Luck with the conferance, Reichskamphen. It is good to see some Alliance of Christian Nation member's attending. I can not attend, because I am Catholic, but I do wish you good luck.
In God's love,
Cardinal DeVito,
Archbishop and Ruler of Cherry Ridge

Isax,

While you do have some very unique interpretations, and I will not even seek to discuss or refute any of your doctrine, I must tell you that this does not qualify as Protestant theology. Your theology would be more the tune of the anti-Trinitarians, the Gnostics, the Hudderites, and the other separatist groups who did not claim themselves as Protestant but merely not Catholic. While you aren't exactly similar, there are similar notes.

And While I recognize the benefits of a larger discussion of beliefs and uniting Christs church, it is the purpose of this particular summit to address the issues effecting Protestantism and the larger communion of Protestant believers.

Soon, we shall be having a summit of the larger communion of those who claim the name Christian, and that certainly be a summit where your imput would be most valued.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns.

I myself shall be attending. I do hope Ian will be there!

Prince John Rekjyavich

To: Rev. Dr. Alan Cairns
Religious Advisor to His Majesty, Napoleon IV, Emperor of Greater Prussia

From: The Isax Theocratic Order, Office of the High Leadership

The Isaxu understand your decision, Dr Cairns, and look forward to future invitation to a pan-christian summit.
Amen.

Matthew Den-Karuk
Diplomatic Unit 201

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