NationStates Jolt Archive


OOC: Your Economy

Thrashia
16-12-2004, 11:38
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GMC Military Arms
16-12-2004, 11:59
Yes, and after that just give yourself a population of fifty trillion and declare yourself master of the universe.
Endless Crimes
16-12-2004, 12:02
You never got just what the issues are for, and that every decision is supposed to have its downsides, yes?
The Fedral Union
16-12-2004, 13:10
So everyone knows theres websites that will manage your economy such as thirdgeek.com and other such ones. But why let them do it when you can handle it yourself? So me and a friend came up with the idea of using Microsoft Exel to create our own economy management pages. I can decide to take all the money out of religion and cram it into my defense budget. I mean after all, its your economy.

All I have to do is take what my economy is from my present internet site that does it, change it to my liking, and then safe it. I only have to update it every now and then when my population grows. Like all the money your government "wastes." Well my government just decided to stop wasting money and put it back in the budget. :) It all adds to having more control over your NS country and having more fun with it. Like I change my major industry to Ship Manufacturing because I didn't want to be drilling for uranium all year! Its an awsome new thought and I decided to share it. SO try it and see how you like it.


Hmm whats the link to it im just curious
Rejistania
16-12-2004, 13:28
Hmm whats the link to it im just curious

Indeed, Trashia, if you have something, which works and might be usefull for other nations, link it here!
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372637
The Most Glorious Hack
16-12-2004, 13:34
Hmm whats the link to it im just curious
Link? Who needs a link? It's really easy:

Population: 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
GDP Per Capita: $897,000,000
Military Budget: More than God.
Carrier Groups: 800,000
Nuclear Missiles:1,000,000,000,000,000

And so on. I mean, why use the numbers that the game gives you? That's so... limiting.
The Fedral Union
16-12-2004, 13:39
. . no need to get puffy about it .. im just asking what the link is to compare it ...
GMC Military Arms
16-12-2004, 13:44
You want to know the link to use Microsoft Excel? That's what he's suggesting.
Beth Gellert
16-12-2004, 13:54
I'll be amazed if you don't get bored of that. Constantly updating equations that don't really mean anything to anybody.

Any idiot in the NS universe can have a frightening economy, anyway, and dance it around a field of frightening-economy-trees where nobody has to sit on the bottom of the pre-communist ladder. I'm struggling to see what's more fun about this proposed system, or whatever's going on here. I mean, considering that it seems to entail OOC budget adjustments, if that's not too much of a contradiction, I... I... must be missing the fun bit.

Calculators make me feel like going away and frying some eggs. Or sometimes doing other things.
They certainly never yield anything of even a tiny bit of use or significance (in this context).
Do people actually use the 3rd geek calculator for some RP purpose? That's bizarre like the man standing on my flat roof. Who the hell is that guy?
Der Angst
16-12-2004, 14:04
Do people actually use the 3rd geek calculator for some RP purpose?Nope. But it's fun to smack each other with budget percentages on irc...
Sliponia
16-12-2004, 14:38
<SNIP>I can decide to take all the money out of religion and cram it into my defense budget.<SNIP>

<SNIP>change it to my liking<SNIP>Well my government just decided to stop wasting money and put it back in the budget. <SNIP>

This sounds like godmodding. Your finances are based on in game decisions, you can't just say what you spend. If you could, then day-old nations could have the money to buy 6,000 nuclear warheads or some sort of future tech.
The Fedral Union
16-12-2004, 15:38
how the bleep …
Is that god modeing …

well lets see if that’s god modeing then every leader in rl god modes…

because that’s what they do I mean sure your economy needs to be set at a certain level and you need to have a imitated budget in a conciliator.

but you can decide were your money goes ..Because that’s what Rl leaders in nations do its not “god mode “

its rl… I suggest you just leave this guy be .He hasn’t blatantiantly god mod, well I haven’t seen any still don’t jump at his neck because of his Conciliator.
The Emperor Fenix
16-12-2004, 15:38
You people trouble me... not only is this a GAME but it is a free form one.

Your nation is not what the issues dictate to you your nation is your nation, i refuse to be told what my nation would be by a bunch of ill-suited issues and descisions. For instance i am frequently asked about desiscions in parliment does this mean i should instate one no. Thirdgeek tells me i have money, does this mean i should put it back in my nation or that i need to fit...

well seriously you can work it out for yourself its not hard.
GMC Military Arms
16-12-2004, 15:41
Lessee...It's pretty much impossible to play your nation exactly as the rankings and figures state simply because there's no mechanisms to make sure they don't contradict. A little leeway or ignoring the odd nonsensical UN ranking set is acceptable.

Completely re-writing your nation's stats just to benefit yourself is wank. Pure and unadulterated.
The Fedral Union
16-12-2004, 15:47
Lessee...It's pretty much impossible to play your nation exactly as the rankings and figures state simply because there's no mechanisms to make sure they don't contradict. A little leeway or ignoring the odd nonsensical UN ranking set is acceptable.

Completely re-writing your nation's stats just to benefit yourself is


wank. Pure and unadulterated.
sure that may be “wank “ , but I think he’s talking more allocating money to begets .. not wanktry . I mean jeez , he’s only talking about deciding were his nations money goes how is that god modding! .. please enlighten me! Juses because you people cant get passed the status quoi of sats , sats , stats.. .. doesn’t mean other people don’t have to be stuck on it .

further more I doubt. He meant to god mod .. he just wanted to rp his nation the way he wanted to .. like my collage lord fenix said ..
GMC Military Arms
16-12-2004, 15:53
I can decide to take all the money out of religion and cram it into my defense budget. I mean after all, its your economy.

Completely ignores game stats, UN rankings, etc to achieve this. QED, if you do this you might as well not bother registering a nation at all, since your off-forum nation is just a placeholder.

All I have to do is take what my economy is from my present internet site that does it, change it to my liking, and then safe it.

In other words, he takes his XML feed stats from a calculator site and then just re-writes the bits he doesn't like. I mean seriously, if you're going to use a calc you should at least stick to what the bloody thing tells you. That or don't bother with calcs, like meself.

I only have to update it every now and then when my population grows. Like all the money your government "wastes." Well my government just decided to stop wasting money and put it back in the budget. :)

Ignores UN 'corruption' rating and gives you the upside of issues without their downside. At all. Wank. As said, ignoring a few things to make your nation more RPable is fine. Ignoring 'government wastage' just to give yourself a bigger military budget is wank. As said [again] if you do this you might as well just give yourself a population of 500 trillion and declare yourself master of the universe.
The Emperor Fenix
16-12-2004, 15:56
Completely re-writing your nation's stats just to benefit yourself is wank. Pure and unadulterated.

I have completely re-written my nation to benefit myself, i now run a sprawling dystopian city/planet which bares no resemblance to any of the stats or figueres these places come up with... should i put it back to bare and resemblance to stats just so it can be a nation the way everyone else thinks? Sure its inconvieniant that my nation is unlike everyone elses and requires meticulous explanation before SOME get it... but after all its a matter of RP... and seriously if someone does give themselves a quadrillion evil space aliens that can kill a human from 100 paces and starts to try and take over the universe you can either have alarge RP to stop them (if they any good at RP) or ignore them... wank is in the eye of the beholder... cases must be judged individually.
The Most Glorious Hack
16-12-2004, 15:56
I take it you don't understand how issues and those percentages relate, huh?

You see, the way you answer issues affects the XML feed for your nation. In other words, those percentages are what the game says you spend. For instance:


<GOVT>
<ADMINISTRATION>9%</ADMINISTRATION>
<WELFARE>21%</WELFARE>
<HEALTHCARE>8%</HEALTHCARE>
<EDUCATION>20%</EDUCATION>
<SPIRITUALITY>0%</SPIRITUALITY>
<DEFENCE>8%</DEFENCE>
<LAWANDORDER>0%</LAWANDORDER>
<COMMERCE>23%</COMMERCE>
<PUBLICTRANSPORT>1%</PUBLICTRANSPORT>
<ENVIRONMENT>7%</ENVIRONMENT>
<SOCIALEQUALITY>4%</SOCIALEQUALITY>

Hm. 8% on Defence... no wonder you want to make up your own priorities.
Beth Gellert
16-12-2004, 15:59
So long as it's played well, I don't care if a nation of nine million with an imploded economy is played as a billion strong powerhouse, myself. BG is attributed with a population above three and a half billion, but I play three hundred million, the UN reports frequently indicate moderate income disparity in the nation, but BG has long since withdrawn currency and has not a trace of heirachy, class, or said disparity (and I'm not actually sure where the UN's getting it from, given the 100% income tax rate and what not). Precious few issues are actually applicable to BG anymore.

I think the point is that I don't really see the connection between the national profile pages and RP forums, since, so far as I'm aware, the former wasn't created with the latter in mind, anyway. Wank away, just don't think that you're actually getting the better of anybody.

Wait, what are we arguing about, again? I'm going to bed, just try to stop me.
Iuthia
16-12-2004, 15:59
You'd think that if you were going to ignore your nations stats for perposes of RPing (understandable with some nations) you wouldn't bother with XML feed at all...

Hell, alot of nations just ignore things like "100% Tax" and so on, and personally I don't really even bother RPing alot of it because I'm not an accountant. I like to RP, not get high on figures which mean nothing.
GMC Military Arms
16-12-2004, 16:00
I have completely re-written my nation to benefit myself, i now run a sprawling dystopian city/planet which bares no resemblance to any of the stats or figueres these places come up with... should i put it back to bare and resemblance to stats just so it can be a nation the way everyone else thinks?

That's not what I mean and you know it. When you re-write your stats for arbitary benefit [like lining everything into defence or claiming your government is somehow 100% efficient] you are wanking. When you fiddle them a little for the kind of nation you want to RP because some contradict [or simply don't pay attention to them], you're playing nationstates.
Iuthia
16-12-2004, 16:18
So everyone knows theres websites that will manage your economy such as thirdgeek.com and other such ones. But why let them do it when you can handle it yourself?

Odd... I thought we did handle our economy ourselves. You know, through answering issues which raise some figures but lower some in return (making a vaguely balanced system based on economy, even if it isn't 100% correct).

The problem here is that you are assuming these economy calulators actually manage your economy when in fact they simply list the figures given to them by the website which makes up your nation. It's simply a representation of your choices in issues which effect your nations stats. If you want to have an in game effect while sticking to the figures you are given then you simply answer the issues differently to change your nation over time.


I can decide to take all the money out of religion and cram it into my defense budget.

Pretty much what GMC said here... generally shoving all the bits you don't like into something to have a brilliant military is very wanky and is not done to RP your nation more realistically, but instead to powergame your nation to be better then everyone.

There is a difference between judging it a little differently to make it more realistic for your idea of your nation and it's concept, and outright changing your stats to make yourself an instant badass without all the work. That said, we get alot of nations in International Incidents who judge their nation as being the best military in the world as being their concept... which is basically the same as playing a tabletop game and making your characters background explain why he's a combat monster with no personality at all. It's powergaming and then justifying it to people with a shitty plot.


Ulimately in Nationstates we don't have to bother with these stats, we use them to judge our nations progress and compare them occasionally, small changes don't anoy people too much. Big changes designed to wank up your nation so you can't be defeated is frowned upon, if not thoroughly mocked.
ClemsonTigers
16-12-2004, 18:21
I take it you don't understand how issues and those percentages relate, huh?

You see, the way you answer issues affects the XML feed for your nation. In other words, those percentages are what the game says you spend. For instance:



Hm. 8% on Defence... no wonder you want to make up your own priorities.

May I ask where you got the XML feed, Hack?
The Most Glorious Hack
17-12-2004, 06:56
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=your_nation_here
War Child
17-12-2004, 07:07
the government waste is projects that u already spend money on that you are now shuting down or in other words contradicting decisions in your issues. You cannot just take it back it has already been spent. Also changing things such as biggest industry cannot be done unless you just shut down those buisnesses and start up other ones and that cannot happen unless you are in a govt. controling buisness society. Shuting down is easy enough but starting up a new buisness doesn't happen over night it takes time and that is why the issues are a better way at it. they are a bit more realistic. I think you should be able to control where your money goes to a bit quicker though. I want some major tax cuts in one of my nations and have been turning down things left and right to save money and have only went down to 92% from 100 in a month. Good idea..badly thought out.