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World Cup's Big Question

Hiiraan
25-11-2004, 23:33
Today on the IRC we had a very good thing, we had an interesting discussion about: if the WCC should region bsed instead of the just sign up, ANYone can participate, all WC members are welcomed and all WCC members are welcome:

here is the document:

The Plan

The plan to have an organized regions of the WC has been wit us for a long time, it just that this time are we having some regions like Africa thinking about it, as we all know, having a very organized regions will not take us 20 years, just few days of the competition and few minutes of our life’s to do this.

The plan for making this work is simple, first we need to follow the following steps

Region registration:

This is the first step for a region to get in the WC, its simple, the head regional or the region General secretary or what you call him in your region asks the WCC to count his region, this process is just one time deal where the region sign up and that is it for the whole year [real one year], the next year we will have another region drive, and so on, but this plan for re-registering is not to have a region crash, die or have region without members sign in, the plan is not to make it hard but to make it good, regions with actual participating members can ask to re-sign up ever three years or so and every WC members region is an automatic sign up because of that status of that region.

This is a simple region sign up example:

The region of Africa herby request to be a WC region, this region is valid and have participating members, our regional WC councilor is Hiiraan and, our region is dedicated to the WC community and thereby wishes to sign up to allow our participants who qualify within our region come in the world cup.

WC councilor:

The WC councilor is nothing than the person who reports which team comes out of their region, the qualification and all the matches they played, simple HUH!.

Region qualification is our next topic, so I am going to pretend we have 500 regions sign up

Format:

The format is simple and very simple to work with, right after we get at the two teams from every registered regions then this is the next step, what I call he next step is inter-region competition , where we have teams from different regions play each other, its just one game that will decided who come to the world cup, this inter-regional competition is played only when we have large sign ups, and if more than 500 region sign up we are going to have one nation from every region, and due to the big things, they will be only one match will make things simpler,

Examples:

Region 500 team 1 vs. region 1 team 2
Region 500 team 2 vs. region 1 team 1

Region 400 team 1 vs. region 2 team 2
Region 400 team 2 vs. region 2 team 1

Region 300team 1 vs. region 3 team 2
Region 300 team 2 vs. region 3 team 1

Region 200 team 1 vs. region 4 team 1
Region 200 team 2 vs. region 4 team 2

Region 100 team 1 vs. region 5 team 2
Region 100 team 2 vs. region 5 team 1

And so on, I think you can see that after this, one team comes from every two region, and if ones region wins the 2 games then they shall both go on, anyways, after the games, the team will be down to 250, and then this is when the teams are numbered in the ranks, every team, and then another round of competition starts where we will have RP based competition, this is will filter the teams down to participating teams from non-participating teams, and if a nation losses because they did not post then so be it, because they would have participated in the WC anyway.

After the RP based matches, then the field will be downsized to 125 nations, but since this is a odd number, the team with the highest points and lost will be added which will make the field to be 126 teams, after that the team will go to the biggest competition, and this is when the biggest game come along, this is because the teams who lose in here will lose one step away from the world cup, once all the teams play and the score get in, the fill will be downsized to only 63 teams, after that, the teams get in o the world cup with high flags, and this is what makes interesting, what makes interesting is you went through all of that to go to the world cup, instead of just having, I sign up, I suggest that we just have this implemented, I am not proposing this but I wan to clearly open the options,

The last time someone thought of this was……ok I don’t remember but nevertheless its still better than what most thing of as a joke sometimes, if you clearly read this you will get that its just a scenario of 500 region sign up, but this is unlikely, and if there is a more than 500 regions here is my suggestion anyway

500 regions ?

Well I think the cap should be 500 regions should be the cap, because if its gets bigger than 500 regions then we will have a very distorted tournament , I am not saying this because its very uncontrollable but I am saying this because it will be to long, the cap should be 500 but I doubt that , that many regions will sign up, the above is just a scenario which I think I can handle, if this is implemented, I think it will be good not because I did or proposed it but it will be good because it will make us better organized and so on… you know what I mean, this is big job and it should need a big committees , so with this comes a lot of jobs offered to dedicated members, jobs like

Chief scorinator: make sure each region playing each other have a fair chance against the other
Chief Regions announcer: announces reports from the world cup. Team suspensions and so on
Chief of round 1: makes sure round 1 goes as planned
Chief of round 2: does the same job for 2
Chief of round 3:” “ “ “ 3
Chief of round 4:”” 4
And so on for how many rounds, one person can take 4 regions, this is it, unless they request to do more

Committee de score archiving: archiving the scores
Committee de fixtures: helping put fixtures put together
Committee de region checker: checks regions and contacts each region’s W C councilor

By the way, I want to inform all of you that this is not a proposal, but it could be one if necessary support is achieved. Anyways the last thing I want is people questioning why the I do this, any questions are welcomed and I will answer them, btw, this is a primary document and soon more will follow.
The Eagles Nest
25-11-2004, 23:36
wow. you've taken something that takes 1-2 players to run, to a literal army to run a cup.

beyond the fact that any and everyone will make their own region and be their own boss so they get to move on.

And should I mention that the most ever applying for a World Cup has never went over 150? And yet you want 1000 teeams (500 regions at at least 2 teams apiece?)

and the last bit...


Today on the IRC we had a very good thing, we had an interesting discussion about: if the WCC should region bsed instead of the just sign up, ANYone can participate, all WC members are welcomed and all WCC members are welcome:


On IRC you talked everyone said it was a bad idea. As it is right now anyone CAN participate, there is a sign up thread to particiapte. so by default, all WCC and WC countries are welcome to participate. You have not given any way to better the game, not by scorination or rules, except to go and add so many ways to make loopholes and delays on the red tape that the cup would implode.

But I will have an open mind. Find ONE person currently on the WCC who thinks this is a good idea. and i'll listen to it. until then...



in a word.

No.
Liverpool England
26-11-2004, 01:09
I'll have to shoot the idea down, too. We've proposed this before, circa WCX, but it never got underway. Why? Too much opposition. As TEN said, right now anyone CAN participate, and having regions just makes things more diffiult.
Hiiraan
26-11-2004, 01:59
I hope no one things that 500 regions will sign up, trust me on this, no more than 50 to 80 regions will sign up, and once they sign up, it will be easy to get them, i think TEN things there will 50 admins of the cup, NO, there will be the ususal 2 host, but they dont come in to play until the teams are reduced to 63 teams, who later go on to compete,

As i said in the IRC i think it work if just decide to try it out, please let me try it out if you want me to proof it works, i will proof it works by holding a cup and since we dont have a name i will just call it the NS cup, wait, i will do it once the qualification for the world cup is over, but i will be contacting and setting region adminstration for the WCC:
Krytenia
26-11-2004, 02:06
There is nothing wrong with the World Cup format as it stands now. It's simple, two people can handle the competition from cradle to grave, and 99.99% of players seem happy.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Audioslavia
26-11-2004, 02:06
aye, in an ideal world it would be the perfect idea, seeing as thats what happens IRL. I had a similar idea a while back which was basically based on rivalries. If one nation is rivals with another (e.g, Masserat and Vilita, LE and Hiiraan, TBF and Spaam) then we assume that those teams are both close to each other geographically, seeing as most rivalries are between adjacent countries (Britain and Australia notwithstanding). That way it might be possible to work out some sort of map (TnUI hate Audioslavia, Audioslavia hate Squornshelous, Squornshelous hate Kingsford, Kingsford hate The Belmore Family, The Belmore Family hate Spaam etc, so we can say that these countries are all next to each other in some sort of line.)

However. This was a shit and unworkable idea, hence why we don't do it now.

Unless the World Cup becomes seperate from forums and nationstates, i doubt regional qualification would ever branch beyond the idealism stage, although a simple 'Northern hemisphere/southern hemisphere' thing might be a start

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Audioslavia
26-11-2004, 02:08
I hope no one things that 500 regions will sign up, trust me on this, no more than 50 to 80 regions will sign up, and once they sign up, it will be easy to get them, i think TEN things there will 50 admins of the cup, NO, there will be the ususal 2 host, but they dont come in to play until the teams are reduced to 63 teams, who later go on to compete,

As i said in the IRC i think it work if just decide to try it out, please let me try it out if you want me to proof it works, i will proof it works by holding a cup and since we dont have a name i will just call it the NS cup, wait, i will do it once the qualification for the world cup is over, but i will be contacting and setting region adminstration for the WCC:

Feel free to set up your own football tournament dude, but it won't be an official WCC tournament until it proves itself to be successful :)

And yes, the same went for the Eagles Cup, no matter how mickey-mouse it is :p
The Eagles Nest
26-11-2004, 02:27
And yes, the same went for the Eagles Cup, no matter how mickey-mouse it is

hey! My cup's not mickey mouse. it's more like Donald...or goofy.
Krytenia
26-11-2004, 02:32
hey! My cup's not mickey mouse. it's more like Donald...or goofy.

Leave Scrooge McDuck alone, TEN.
Audioslavia
26-11-2004, 02:32
hey! My cup's not mickey mouse. it's more like Donald...or goofy.

just kidding mate :) tis the lack of KPB points that are its downfall, other than that its nice to stretch your RP legs in something that isnt going to affect your teams performance.

Still pissed off about going 0-0-2 against Starblaydia though, i mean... Starblaydia?!??

:p
Hiiraan
26-11-2004, 02:38
OK, yu realize somethings way to late,

I think this will not work, once more, because of the avid hatred for this and as AS said, if the world cup was in one map, may be it would but since it aint then forget about the whole idea, and BTW we could setup something but that is not my job anyway

as said by the many other IT WONT WORK and so IT WONT WORK

-hiiraan
The Eagles Nest
26-11-2004, 03:03
but AS, i use KPB ranks. and yeah, that was a very rare chance. all you gotta do is win and you are through. don't worry.
Hiiraan
26-11-2004, 03:10
at least he competed

look at me, I stand alone surrounded by 900 miles of desert in all directions

look me call someone

Eagle...agle...gle.....le....e

Eagle.....agle....le.......e

you see that noise that comes after me, that is what you get when you dont compete
Audioslavia
26-11-2004, 03:32
OK, yu realize somethings way to late,

I think this will not work, once more, because of the avid hatred for this and as AS said, if the world cup was in one map, may be it would but since it aint then forget about the whole idea, and BTW we could setup something but that is not my job anyway

as said by the many other IT WONT WORK and so IT WONT WORK

-hiiraan

There is no avid hatred, everyone would like the idea but its been argued to death a million times already and we came to the conclusion every time that it would be unworkable.

but AS, i use KPB ranks

I know, i meant that theres no chance to improve your KPB ranks in the Eagles Cup like there is in the other tournaments :p

at least he competed

look at me, I stand alone surrounded by 900 miles of desert in all directions

look me call someone

Eagle...agle...gle.....le....e

Eagle.....agle....le.......e

you see that noise that comes after me, that is what you get when you dont compete

lol :D
Hiiraan
26-11-2004, 05:59
may be I can take advice and just start a cup with this format but make it small, like 20 regions or less

since the 20*2 is 40, it will be less chalanging to be handled
Rejistania
26-11-2004, 06:09
Before Oceania was invaded and the natives decided to move to several other places, there was only one country from there interested in soccer and the world cup (me). Another example: the MTF was one of the most active regions if the number of nations war taken into account - now there is only one participating member (Creedence Clearwater).

I think your system does not take into account the basic ideas of NS and can't be used due to this.
Hiiraan
26-11-2004, 06:41
I have already ceded defeat rejis, the idea cant work, well it was never proven but i will take your word to it
Fmjphoenix
26-11-2004, 08:07
Man, ya all got me lost in this idea for another format. I am trying to read and sort it out, but I don't see how making regions would work at all.
Starblaydia
26-11-2004, 12:33
Still pissed off about going 0-0-2 against Starblaydia though, i mean... Starblaydia?!??

:p

Hell, the national anthem ain't called 'Starblaydia Triumphant' for nothing :p

I think I need to add a verse about kicking AS's ass.

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Thank God for punctuation and capitalisation, or that would have looked weird.