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Design 1
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Design 2

The Assault gun is basically an un-turreted tank/artillery gun that can be used either as artillery or in a more direct anti-tank mode. I got the idea from here (http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/arassault.html), and 155mm-caliber assault guns already in the Syskeyian Army.

The proposed assault gun (which should see its first combat duties once I retake Bendecitia) will have a main gun caliber of 203mm (8 inches), a 1500 hp diesel engine in the front, and shall weight 70 tons.

Any comments?

I like #1 more. If the rectangles represent armor plates, you might want to remove them as having so many plates will weaken the armor.

Is "70 lbs" supposed to be "70 tons"?

That's my secret resource...

#1. Definitely. #2 is too much like a wargame symbol.

Having a low polygon count means all the big kids laugh at you. #1, minus the panel-detailing-for-the-sake-of-it lines.

Of the two I'd say one fersure, but both do have an unfortunate lack of that flat rear section that makes for Jagdpanzery goodness.

And ALL assault guns should have Jagdpanzery goodness.

Jagdpanther

Only the Jagdpanther and Jagdtiger had it. The others either had an open turret structur in the rear (see the Molotoved Marder III in Saving Private Ryan), a big structure in the rear (Ferdinand/Elefant) or no turret structure at all (Hetzer, Jagdpanzer IV series)


As for this design, I'm not too thrilled on either, though #1 both looks better and is more realistic. The 8" gun has some serious problems with a mounting like that (size, recoil, etc), though, and there will be a decided lack of ammunition space. Those problems are why the M107, M110, and 2S7 all have the gun mounted on top of the hull, rather than inside a turret structure. They also carry almost no ammunition internally.

Jagdpanther

Only the Jagdpanther and Jagdtiger had it. The others either had an open turret structur in the rear (see the Molotoved Marder III in Saving Private Ryan), a big structure in the rear (Ferdinand/Elefant) or no turret structure at all (Hetzer, Jagdpanzer IV series)

Bah, Panzer / Panther isn't a difficult mistake to make after 36 hours of nosleep.

As for this design, I'm not too thrilled on either, though #1 both looks better and is more realistic. The 8" gun has some serious problems with a mounting like that (size, recoil, etc), though, and there will be a decided lack of ammunition space. Those problems are why the M107, M110, and 2S7 all have the gun mounted on top of the hull, rather than inside a turret structure. They also carry almost no ammunition internally.

MMmm There we go. I knew something didn't quite look right.

The Assault gun is basically an un-turreted tank/artillery gun that can be used either as artillery or in a more direct anti-tank mode. I got the idea from here, and 155mm-caliber assault guns already in the Syskeyian Army.

The proposed assault gun (which should see its first combat duties once I retake Bendecitia) will have a main gun caliber of 203mm (8 inches), a 1500 hp diesel engine in the front, and shall weight 70 lbs.

Any comments?

Good site. I've been known to borrow an idea or two there myself. ;)

And looking at design 1 again, stretch the housing back by maybe half again. That be more balanced. Also, you may want to move it forwards towards the centerline.

Jagdpanther

Only the Jagdpanther and Jagdtiger had it. The others either had an open turret structur in the rear (see the Molotoved Marder III in Saving Private Ryan), a big structure in the rear (Ferdinand/Elefant) or no turret structure at all (Hetzer, Jagdpanzer IV series)

As for this design, I'm not too thrilled on either, though #1 both looks better and is more realistic. The 8" gun has some serious problems with a mounting like that (size, recoil, etc), though, and there will be a decided lack of ammunition space. Those problems are why the M107, M110, and 2S7 all have the gun mounted on top of the hull, rather than inside a turret structure. They also carry almost no ammunition internally.

Well, as I said, it is unturreted - the gun will only fire straight ahead, though of course it can go up and down. :)

Also, I thought that since a 31 ton 8-inch howitzer with a 405hp engine was done in RL, a 70-ton howitzer with a 1500-hp engine would be feasible as well.

What about a "two-stage" artillery gun- the gun is mounted on top of the "hull", but an armored "shell" is built around the gun above the "hull" What do you think?

Of the two I'd say one fersure, but both do have an unfortunate lack of that flat rear section that makes for Jagdpanzery goodness.

And ALL assault guns should have Jagdpanzery goodness.

Well, it's an artillery gun, so they should be able to load from the rear.

Well, as I said, it is unturreted - the gun will only fire straight ahead, though of course it can go up and down. :)

Also, I thought that since a 31 ton 8-inch howitzer with a 405hp engine was done in RL, a 70-ton howitzer with a 1500-hp engine would be feasible as well.

What about a "two-stage" artillery gun- the gun is mounted on top of the "hull", but an armored "shell" is built around the gun above the "hull" What do you think?

The issue is more of the dimensions of the gun and achieving the necessary elevation. Due to balancing issues, it has to be based on the rear of the hull, leaving little room for any structure to be placed around it, as the recoil would actually go past the rear of the hull. Now, you could work something out, but it would still leave only limited room for ammunition. That was the real reason the previous weapons lacked any turret structure - the vehicle itself couldn't carry sufficient ammunition, so it was left in the open where ammunition from an outside source (truck) could be fired without a cumbersome resupply process.
Remember, 8" weapons were designed for use as naval guns, and as such tend to be a little awkward for mobile ground systems.

Also remember that assault guns need more armor than regular artillery weapons, as they will get into direct combat situations where they will likely take fire. Regular artillery generally only worries about counterbattery fire and air strikes, while assault guns need to worry about ATGMs, RPG/LAW type systems, RRs, and even cannons.

A smaller gun would probably be more realistic.

I'm beginning to like #2 more...:\
Good site. I've been known to borrow an idea or two there myself. ;):(
Having a low polygon countGifs don't have polygons.

I like them both about the same, there really isn't enough of a difference in my mind.

But I agree that the gun appears to be mounted strangely. The way it is now (in #1 at least, it might be okay in #2), when you rotate it upwards for firing as a howitzer, the breech would stick out the bottom, it needs to be mounted higher and more towards the rear.

Gifs don't have polygons.
The object it represents would. Geez.

The object it represents would. Geez.I don't think that's an image of a 3D model, but a drawing. Neither the drawing nor the real thing would be measured in polygons.