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This is Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen, his Majesty's Foreign Minister. I am here to negotiate the Union.

Here are my proposals.

The Empires of Greater Prussia and Prussia will be united under one crown. I believe that Greater Prussia has shown itself to have the strength to maintain both Empires, and therefore Greater Prussia should hold this position.

The Government of Prussia needs reworking. There will be an appointed Ambassador from GP to Prussia that will head up the uniting process and oversee the reconstruction/construction of the government. Due to lower population, we may have problems constructing a government just from Prussians. Therefore, the Greater Prussians will assist with and/or handle the military, and economic efforts of the government. We will also help with the Installation of a Foreign Ministry and the building of a strong infrastructure.

We will attempt to open the boarders between GP and Prussia to allow population shifts that could perhaps benefit Prussia and atleast allow some level of Economic Parity.

We have a number of Imperial Corporations. We will move factories into Prussia, increasing the regional economy and employing the populous.

If any assistance is needed in any other areas, the Greater Prussian Empire will assist.

Vivalutsk would be retain most of his former powers, but will have to work in conjunction with the appointed Imperial Governor. This governor will at first be elected by the GP and Prussian Empires together and then later by Prussia itself.

The result will be the retaining of Prussian Sovreignty and an increase in strength through Union with Greater Prussia.

This is not a final proposal. If ideas are had, or issues had with it, please present them.

His Emminence,
Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen
His Majesty's Foreign Minister

This is Lord Charles Stefano, Current Kaiser of Prussia.

These are my opening proposals:

Firstly, though this may seem trivial, I wish to ensure that the new empire's name reflects both regions fairly, to ensure that neither feel like a conquered race.

Next, there are several job opportunities which have not yet been filled in the Prussia Government, so all vacancies you will be informed about.

All UN members endorse the Kaiser, whoever he/she is.

The Imperial Governor will act as a senior advisor to the Kaiser, a member of a cabinet of three trusted senior nations.

All armed forces within either region are collected together to form an imperial army - Prussia has quite an astounding navy (very good imported equipment and ships!).

The Kaisers of Prussia and Greater Prussia are on an equal footing with one another.

How does this sound?

Lord Charles Stefano
Kaiser of Prussia
Head of the Order of the Black Eagle

Oh, great!

Two equal Kaisers commanding one united Army? Methinks this is impossible and furthermore dangerous.

The best way to do this is to allow the Kaisers of both regions to retain their respective powers over their own regions until the point that the authority of the Emperor of the Combined Empire's authority overrules it, or, by necessity, replaces it...as should be the case with the Armies to prevent infighting and poor command structure.

This will work as Empires of old did. There is an Emperor, and there are Kings. The Kings pledge allegiance to the Emperor, and the Emperor pledges that he shall hold up the Kings and assist them.

The name of the Empire should be decided upon indeed. Pan-Prussia...sounds a bit odd. And I can think of no other suggestions.

Either Prussian Empire, or Greater Prussian Empire would probably work better than any of the other ideas. Prussian Empire suggests that all Prussians are together. Greater Prussian...suggests that there is a larger Prussia, made by the combination of two.

Names are nothing, though. Actions are everything.

We have one of the greatest land armies on earth, and a pretty stellar airforce and Navy...but out of all, the Navy is the most lacking and we would definately need the help there. I believe this union shall benefit us both.

His Emminence,
Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen

Okay, had an idea while at work today. There is (as you are no doubt aware) a region called Upper Saxony and one called Bohemia - if we all join together, we could create the Confederation of the Rhine - an empire of the smaller germanic states! Does this meet with people's approval? If not, why?

Also, I agree about the two Kaisers commanding the army, it would not work. I suggest the Kaisers command their own regions, as you have suggested, and a general from either of the regions is placed in command of an army of UN nations, under the direct governance of the Emperor you have mentioned. However, are we talking about an Emperor you already have, or one we will create?

I will have to investigate these other regions. If they meet with the approval of the Emperor, then we shall seek to include them.

I will wait to decide which Emperor we speak of as soon as we are done with the Corronation. (OOC: Emperor Paisley the Protestant Firebrand is abdicating due to age...and another one is being installed...but he won't be there long..hint hint...so lets wait on the final action until I have a solid Crown again)

I will contemplate the other things you have suggested.

His Emminence,
Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen
His Majesty's Foreign Minister

Out of curiosity would there be room in this smaller Germanic Confederation for non - German states? Unity is strength, so I'm told, and if a state strives for a Bismarckian ideal then surely they should be allowed to combine their strength with yours?

Paul von Korgor

Upper Saxony is under The Kaiserreich of Germany's control. HM Kaiser Wilhelm II precides over that region and the region of Germany. It cannot be joined into a coalition, as you propose.

Would it not be preferable to join all German peoples, from Prussia and Greater Prussia in on region, the region of Germany? We already have an extremely organized military and government.
I hope this proposition may be considered by both sides.

Uniting our regions would mean the largest German region in NS history, and it would be an extreme accomplishment. One Kaiser, One Reich, One People!

Now, the question is if nazis/Fascists should be permitted to reside in this region, if it is ever created. We are stauntly anti-nazist, and anti-communist.

Thank you,
φHRM of Luchiaφ

/as self appointed member of this confederation, I agree. We should be showing a somewhat conservative face to the world, surely? But of course not over conservative.

Throught the existance of Greater Prussia, Germany has actively courted GP members and whittled down membership as much as they possibly could. They have worked to undermine their fellow Germans rather than work with us.

I refuse any alliance with Germany. I would also advise that Prussia refuse any alliance with Germany. It matters not how large a region is...what matters is if it supports Conservative ideals, and if it is Germanic in nature...then does it support fellow Germans. In the case of Germany, the Kaiser has shown nothing but malice for Greater Prussia, if not by his own words and actions...then through the actions of his subordinates and the words thereof. Liberalism also appears to be on the rise there.

Korgnor, you are welcome to join. Greater Prussia isn't entirely Germanic, so others are welcome to join.

We should put forth a Conservative face. There is no such thing as too conservative as I see it. There is a differance between conservative and Fascist. I am not a Fascist. Fascism is in truth, not a Conservative philosophy but more akin to Communism. There shall be no Fascism. However, Conservatism is the true interpretation of the law and standing for moral integrity. It is the support of the Military and the support of Nationalism. One cannot be too Conservative.

His Emminence,
Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen
His Majesty's Foreign Minister

I certainly agree that Fascism is more akin to Communism than conservatism. Very well then I heartily accept membership of this new union. Well shall be as conservative as is possible... ;)

Luchia: Prussia has its pride to think of - we have existed quite happily on our own for over a year under my jurisdiction, and though we have tried to ally with Germany before, it was not really interested. You may remember my Subordinate, Lord Juggernaut, who attempted to get through to you and the Kaiser, but to no avail. Therefore I say no to a unified Germany with all germanic races under one roof, though I feel that we could include Germany in the Confederation as an equal member. I believe in Imperialism, and I am strongly opposed to Fascism, just for the record.

Let us not get off topic here.

I, as Arch-Chancellor of Greater Prussia, although important to the region, am most likely not qualified to discuss an issue such as uniting all of the Prussians. It won't stop me from chiming in, though.

Czar Rekjyavich Ivan Andropov III
Emperor of the Protestant Prussian Czardom of Derscon
Arch-Chancellor of Greater Prussia

OOC: Tag

You are welcome to speak, Arch Chancellor.

Also, the main issue here will be the legal standings of both empires.
This is no matter of pride...but legal standing. I forsee it as a type of Holy Roman Empire type situation. Very individualistic states united under one crown. The Emperor's power is dependant on the Emperor himself and whether or not the people support him. I am sure you know the history of the HRE though.

The way the Holy Roman Emperor was elected, was that each province had an Elector...if the province was worthy of being called an electorate. In this case, I would think 2bil and over would be considered an Elector. The head of state could either take the title Elector for himself, or give it to another...but he customarily takes it. There is a Diet held at a specified location where the Electors cast their vote for who shall be Emperor. I propose that this be the manner in which we elect the Emperor of our Confederation.

There is also another way to do this.

Greater Prussia in all senses can basically extend its realm of protection to you. Therefor you will remain completely sovreign, but a Protectorate of the Empire in much the way that the original Confederation of the Rhine Operated during the Napoleonic Wars. They were sovreign states, but protected by and allied with Napoleon.

Quite an odd name...Confederation of the Rhine...as Greater Prussia was originally the remnants of the Confederation of the Rhine. (OOC: We break away from real hist here.) After the defeat of Napoleon, his brother Louis remained in one of the loyal Germanic states. When Europe longed for the Emperor's return. Louis was boosted into power as a symbol of that longing by the populous. Eventually, Prussia's crown went to a descendant of Louis...and down the road a couple hundred years...here we are.

Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen
His Majesty's Foreign Minister

I must say the Holy Roman Empire idea does have its appeal, though the Prussians are to proud to consider being part of a protectorate (no offence to anyone here qualified to take offence). Am I assuming from your speech that you were in favour of Napoleon as a leader?

You may assume from my speach, that I am related to nobility that descends from the Bonaparte family. Napoleon's rule in the Germanic states was just, fair, and effective. I am a German. I have heard both sides of the story. I find that some of the extravagent claims made by the Emperor Napoleon may be a bit off, just as the claims by anti-Bonaparte German nationalists are off. Yet, I find more truth in the doctrines of freedom and liberty that Napoleon propagated and in his claims than those of the anti-Bonapartists.

However, my opinion on Napoleon has no effect on this situation. You will remember Napoleon defeated the Holy Roman Empire, so let us turn to the discussion at hand.

I say we select the electors now and hold the election for the crown. Once that the merger is done, the particulars can be settled on, but we must begin helping Prussia immediately.

His Emminence,
Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen
His Majesty's Foreign Minister

I will allow for the electors to be chosen now for the Crown.

We can discuss futher power separation later. First, though, we must decide on the final Crown.

I would say everyone above two billion is an elector, as Reichskamphen stated.

Let us now announce the votes for Emperor.

Here are the nations in Greater Prussia which shall be voting.

Reichskamphen
Derscon
Jerusalem
New Sigmisund
Christimiles
Grays Hill
Cav
Old Corps
Allanea

There are, from what I understand, four nations able to vote in Prussia. I would urge every nation to think about the unity of the Empire and the best interests of your nation whatever they may be, as opposed to anything else.

Arch Duke Dietrich von Oberhausen.

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VOTE TALLY FOR EMPEROR

----Country-------------Elector----------------------Vote---------------------
Reichskamphen-----Dr. Ian Paisley---The Emperor of Greater Prussia-------
Derscon-------------Czar Ivan III-----The Emperor of Greater Prussia-------
Jerusalem-----------Cardinal Brown--The Emperor of Greater Prussia-------
Cav-----------------Emperor Cav------The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
Allanea-------------King Napoleon----The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
New Sigmisund----(Unknown)--------The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
Gray's Hill----------(Unknown)--------The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
Old Corps-----------(Lt. Eubanks)-----The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
Vivalutsk------------Lord Stefano------The Emperor of Greater Prussia------

OOC: Old Corps is having problems logging on, so I'll post it for him. I've spoken to him about it.

6 ELECTORS HAVE YET TO VOTE INCLUDING ALL OF THE PRUSSIANS

There already exists a majority for the Greater Prussian Candidate-Dr. Paisley

8 more votes needed for a majority for the Prussian Candidate, if one is to come forth, but only 6 votes remain, including one Greater Prussian vote that is almost assured to go to Dr. Paisley.

This election is a win for Dr. Paisley, but the other electors are still required to report in.

I hereby declare my vote, being an elector, to be for Doctor Ian RK Paisley, Emperor of Greater Prussia.

--Arch-Chancellor Rekjyavich Ivan Andropov III

I hereby declare my vote, being an elector, to be for Doctor Ian RK Paisley, Emperor of Greater Prussia.

--Cardinal Augustus Brown (acting head of state for her majesty, Queen Mariah I of Jerusalem, Keeper of the Holy Lands)

<OOC, Yes I'am lazy at times>

The Holy Empire of Cav, being of sound government, places its vote for Doctor Ian RK Paisley.

The grateful people of the Libertarian Kingdom of Allanea place their vote for Paisley.

Let the Lord's Will be done!

the Junta currently in control votes for no ma or weasle!!!


the soon to take control revolutionaries (of whom the leader will be my elector, and is, dont ask) however vote for dr. paisley in all his irish narrowmined glory


lol

Grays Hill feels that Dr. Ian Paisley is the person who can best get the job done. Therefore Grays Hill's vote is for Dr. Ian Paisley.

National Broadcasting Corporation Nightly News


"Hello, I'm Tom Brokaw for NBC Nightly News. With the elections for an "Uberpreussen" Emperor, excitement in Derscon is clearly at an all-time high.

"We have obtained the current results, and have placed them on the ticker below, to see."


CURRENT RESULTS

VOTE TALLY FOR EMPEROR

----Country-------------Elector----------------------Vote---------------------
Reichskamphen-----Dr. Ian Paisley---The Emperor of Greater Prussia-------
Derscon-------------Czar Ivan III-----The Emperor of Greater Prussia-------
Jerusalem-----------Cardinal Brown--The Emperor of Greater Prussia-------
Cav-----------------Emperor Cav------The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
Allanea-------------King Napoleon----The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
New Sigmisund----(Unknown)--------The Emperor of Greater Prussia------
Grays Hill ---------(Unknown)--------The Emperor of Greater Prussia-----



"At the moment, there are eight electors who have yet to vote. These electors are coming from the Greater Prussian nations of Christmiles, Sude Reich, and Old Corps, while every single Prussian elector -- Vivalutsk, Pearlian, Yabernia, G Funk, and M-r Socko -- have yet to cast their votes.

"Currently, the Reverend Ian RK Paisley, Emperor of Greater Prussia, is up by seven electoral votes. According to the data we have obtained, he needs only one more electoral vote in order to win. The Prussian Candidate, who has yet to come forth, would require every single electoral vote in order to win the election.

"I'll turn it over to our political analyst, Ivan Narmonov, for more information. Ivan?"


"Thank you Tom. Well, obviously, Doctor Paisley has an outstanding lead over the Prussian candidate. the odds of the Prussian candidate winning are slim to none, as he would requite ALL EIGHT electoral votes.

"So far, we are clearly seeing an expected trend -- the electors are voting for their leader. Also, our sources inside the Kremlin say that the Czar has recieved word from the leader of the Old Corps that he will be voting for Doctor Paisley. This gives Paisley his needed vote to win.

"Another point, that should the current trend keep occuring, The Prussian candidate, who will most likely be Vivalutsk, will only recieve five votes, while Doctor Paisley will recieve three more votes than he already officially has. So, our projection states that all candidates will follow party lines. Henceforth, I suspect that Doctor Paisley will come out on top. Tom."


"Thank you, Ivan. As you can see, our political analyst states that Doctor Paisley will come out on top, but only time will tell."

New information is being tallied.

Sude Reich has been removed from his post as Elector due to inactivity. An oversight at the beginning is blamed for this.

A number of nations in Prussia have also been removed from their Elector Status for various reasons leaving the number of Electors from Prussia at 5. This already gives Dr. Paisley the majority and the throne, but it is still necessary for all electors to report in for the streamlining of the process.

I hereby declare my vote, being an elector, to be for Doctor Ian RK Paisley, Emperor of Greater Prussia.

C\2nd Lt. Eubanks
S.C.C.C.
The Old Corps

Sorry it took so long to get vote in had to re-evaluate my e-mail

Being an Elector, I, the Lord Charles Stefano, declare my vote for the Uberpreussen Empire to be Doctor Ian RK Paisley, Emperor of Greater Prussia. It is clear that alas, either the Prussian Electors have not seen my posts or are not interested. I ask for a little more time for my colleagues to enter their vote. From the looks of things, the Doctor will be the Emperor, so long may he reign in peace and prosperity!

OOC: Yay! Someone used my uberpreussen word! :)

But of course. On another note, I feel we need a proper forum for the empire, and ensure that all members of said empire are aware of how the government is being run. There should also be a sub-forum with a password where all electors and the Emperor gather to discuss issues - both political and general. Also, we need to be certain how we are going to run the military - I propose an elector for each form ( army, navy, marines, airforce, space), with at least a third of them being made up of Prussian electors. Your views?

Hell, I can make a wonderful branch off of the Greater Prussian boards.

Or, I'll make the Uberpreussen boards seperate.

Either way, I'll admin. I do it for two regions already, I can easily handle this.

Anyone object? If no, I'll make them right away.

That sounds good, we must also make sure that at least all electors are active on it, that way we can ensure a greater level of participation and greater unity.

THE UBERPREUSSEN BOARDS! (http://s4.invisionfree.com/Uberpreussen_Empire/index.php?)

I'm there, but can't get in yet.

Pearlian has voted for Lord Charles Stefano of Vivalutsk for Emperor. Bit late but its always nice to get some support

Vivalutsk, you've been approved. You will have to cut some slack as I attend to my life. :)