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Exarch-Philosopher Moranis Speaks.

((OOC A long time ago I invented a Character to say the things the Kionash really thought but the Council was keeping hidden. It was a OOC thing but I liked the idea. I only used it once through… Still I resurrect the idea now for my on purposes Please note at the moment officially this has nothing to do with the council... unofficially draw your own conclusions. Also this is only ment to be a part of the work, hay these things often run in the ten thousend words, this is the main bit. I may post more later if I feel it would be useful to write more))
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The Elven Peoples and Keigh relations with those termed Kin.

It has long been the opinion of the Council, and remained unquestioned by us her peoples that the Elven peoples, the Noldor and the Sindar, where kin to us. Indeed in an earlier work in my inexperienced youth I posited that we longer lived species where innatly superior to the lesser gifted species, and that like us, the Elves demonstrated this innate superiority.

However over time I have begun to question much of my younger arrogance. One must therefore examine in closer detail the worth of the Elven peoples, and how we can determine how one should regard them as in regards to Keigh. Firstly we turn to the Elven war…

The elven war quite clearly is defined by the being Morgoth, or Melkor, currently this being draws his power from the nation of the Five Kingdoms, of course, but this war is a long and old one. Its exact start is one of murky history, the Noldor will say it began from his jealousy of the Noldor and the works of Ea, but he will say other wise. This is really not important what is important is that this war has raged for several thousand years with seemingly no end in sight. It is clear that the elven nations and peoples do not contain the power needed to defeat Morgoth.

Where does this impact into Elven-Keigh relations then? When we met with the Noldor government we made pledges to them of alliance and treaty… Yet recent evidence gathered by the council and realized to the academic community to allow us to form a better understanding of our heritage questions if that commitment has been reciprocated?

Many of my fellows will remember what remains the only Web war against the forces of Melkor, and our surprise and dare I admit it, fear at witnessing the Nightbringer stalking the Web joined with the Melkorian and Fallen war hosts… Now At the time we where unsure as to what it was doing there, and many of our people thought it was simply acting as an independent agency. Recent evidence however points to it being possibly part of an exchange between the Fallen Cabal, and the Yngir Deceiver.

How does this affect the question of the Elven commitment to the Keigh? In simple terms it is this, while we fought for our very lives against the combined forces of Morgoth and the Cabal, a close ally to the Lady Sirithil nos Feanor was engaged in deals to hasten our defeat. This then was the first repayment the Keigh where to gain at the hands of the Noldor…

Sindar relations are the next growing problem area between Keigh and Elven peoples. As shown by the Aelosian Empire. Their latest queen showing the hate she seems to bare for all our species demanding that we redeem ourselves in one communication. Redeem ourselves for what, when we have always acted fairly and in the interests of the Elven peoples, indeed as I will come to in a moment, it is the Elven peoples that hold a debt to the Keigh and not the Keigh to the Elven peoples.

So then how do I hold the position that the Elves owe the Keigh, I have been looking over our history, in recent months, and have seen a growing and deplorable trend, it would appear that the Elven peoples have never once came to the Council’s aid. We have fought wars for the Elves, thrice facing directly the might of Melkor, several times faced nuclear destruction of our armed forces. (As the statue on Mars reminds us all) and yet how have we been repaid? The NGEN war when the forces of Morgoth entered the fray, we saw no Elven nations come to our aid, indeed the first to respond to our desperate situation where the brave peoples of Os Sanglents.

When they came at us in the Web, the only aid the Elven peoples gave us was to take refugees, while their ally helped our foes…

The Elves have demanded of us that we redeem ourselves, and yet we have only helped them as a people, we fought Morgoth while weakened ourselves. It is the opinion of this annalist that the elven peoples have been taking advantage of the alliance of our peoples, and I can only hope that the Council shares my view.

So how does this relate to my earlier work, it is a simple thing, if the Elven peoples have been so dishonorable and the humans of Os Sanglents so honorable in their past, the length of ones live cannot be a factor in worth. Only deed, and in this, the Elven peoples have fallen far behind.

One Quick Bump to make sure people I need to see this see it. (This will more than likely feed into later posts, depending on how events from this pan out)

An open letter to ‘Exodite-Philosopher Moranis;’

Your assertion against the Quendi is rather amusing to me. Surely a case of what the “mon-keigh” humans call; the pot calling the kettle black. You have within you the strength neither to defeat my kind, not that we have any desire to harm you, or the enemy you call “She who thirsts.” You criticise the Noldor, when their nemesis has been defeated in the past, and indeed, in recent history, he has never won a battle against them. Can you say the same? No, those you fight have defeated you utterly and left you a shattered remnant of a civilisation, dreaming of being what you once were. Do try to remove the log in your own eye first, won’t you?

This accusation has value. However, the first thing your ‘superior intellect’ has failed to grasp is that at this point we were nowhere near as closely related to the Noldorin empire as we are now. Similarly, Khalis Ra is not representative of the rest of us, we both deny responsibility for his actions and fully intend to destroy him as and when he next leaves your webway. The accusation that the deal we, and we alone made with the Manmen Kabal was in any way the responsibility of the Quendi is both folly and a distraction from the fact that if anyone there is to blame, it is ourselves. Though I might add that once Khalis Ra departed our realms he was under the command – reluctantly I imagine – of Archon Rath. As a self determining entity, if you can grasp that, I am after all aware of the genetic and mimetic tampering your species has undergone, which in a very real way does prevent you truly being self determining entities, his actions are to be blamed purely on him, and him alone.

You forget, even more recently, the Noldorin empire was responsible for the cancellation of a planned campaign to eliminate you. Every breath you take you can thank Sirithil nos Fëanor for, for I assure you, it is due to her that you are still able to do so. Similarly, it is the influence of the Noldor that has caused us to adopt a more progressive policy toward you keigh.

Queen Aelosia’s position is strictly transitory. It is my belief that the next Everqueen of Aelosia will have a far more pro-keigh policy, and that she will find peace in her retirement. Know that she is not your concern.

Incidentally, perhaps you are not aware of the fact that we have stripped all assets from Khalis Ra and banished him to exist with your ‘Dark Kin’ whom I might add, willingly offer him shelter. Of course, if this letter is insufficient to educate you, I am always willing to visit you in person to discuss these matters.

Prince Asirnoth. Supreme Commander of the Necron Fleet, Lord of Netu, Director of Operations in the Sol System.

P.S. It’s Mephet. Or if you must insult him, the Jackal God, I don’t know where you acquired this Deceiver phrase, but it’s hardly flattering.

Additionally, where in an ancient letter, there would have been a seal to identify the writer, this one sported the image of a colossal wyrm desecrating a world. If studious enough, one would recognise this as the personal symbol of Asirnoth, the wyrm one of the necrontyr war god’s many forms, the planet’s continental lines identifying it as the original keigh homeworld, which he had destroyed many millions of years ago.

In response to 'Prince' Asirnoth

The first thing that one should point out is that, while relations between yourself and the Noldor have indeed increased since that time, one questions the degree. Indeed one would say that it has been a continuation of, rather than a sudden change in policy. A continuation that had not even slowed during the War of Genocide thrust upon us.

Still I intend to return to this, momentary, we shall first turn to the accusation of the Pot and Kettle. It is indeed true that at the present moment the Kionash do not have the power to defeat the entity we refer to as She-Who-Thirsts but this is not a permament state of affairs, as well I fear you know. This then marks the differance between us, for while we too have defeated many times the 'worshippers' of She-Who-Thirsts and during darker days, given your own forces a bloody nose. The true victory would be however She-Who-Thirsts death, for this the Kionash have laid down plans, that may take several ages to complete.

The Elven races do not have the power to defeat Morgoth, they might have the power to defeat his armies, (Although of course not to drive them out of their holes, nor to take the battle to Morgoth, only to resist him) but the lands known as the Five Kingdoms are only the current strength of Morgoth. The only defeat Morgoth has suffered in the past that has been a long time inconveience to him was not brought about by the Noldor or any Elf, but by beings like himself.

Indeed you are also incorrect in saying they have not suffered any defeats at his hands in this the new age, for there are still tales told of the 2nd War of the Ring, when the then second most powerful of the Elven nations was laid low, and subjecated by Morgoth. Your assertion then is in error.

The current position of the Queen Aelosia is irrevelent to this argument, that an Elven government could turn to us, and demand such things, despite all we have done and risked for them is the matter at question here. How are we to trust them if they will do this to us? How can you trust a peoples that would in put one move throw away the good will and close ties we have built in the past? I argue that one cannot, if good will and close ties mean so little to the Elven peoples, how are we to trust it?

I could go on, but I will return to the Nightbringer, and I will return to the idea that it was acting as an Independent entity. Perhaps if there was no deal you could explain why the Cabal gave you technologies, technologies that have been recently applied to your own devices? Perhaps you can explain why this has occured. Why even your own people, are not sure why he went there, and perhaps you might also explain something else, the power of Mephet, do you truely expect us to believe that one such as the Nightbringer served at all out of anything but fear?

Or that he would go anywhere in those days if Mephet had forbidden him? I think not, I think this is a perfectly innane assertion, one designed to draw attention from my initial proposition.



(Open Reply)

OOC: Are these letters public domain?

Also, Thelasi are Sindar and I see to mention of them *cheers*

((yep Ctany's letter was an open letter as was my reply the original appeared in some Journal on mars. I should have made that part clear at the start. I apologise to anyone confused. (Usually Martian political journals and Tor Yvresse's Craftworld ones are seperate few articles come from the Craftworld to be printed on Mars))

Oddly enough, you might indeed say that, from the point where the Noldorin Empire had no real influence on our decisions of policy, certainly not considering something as important as the deployment of Khalis Ra. Our relations at that time were only becoming established, and prior to that our actions in aid of the elves were not altruistic or loyal, but solely aimed at serving our own ends.

No. I shall say this now and be frank. You will never triumph over She Who Thirsts. This is a dream on our part. And yes, the ability to destroy Morgoth is within the elves. A single elf did inflict permanent injuries to him remember. May I suggest that the effects of an army of them assaulting him would be more devastating to him. Similarly, let us say that the Noldorin Empire has allies who are quite capable of it. And no, the vast majority of the armies that fought in the War of Wrath were Noldor and Vanyar from the West, and they it was who defeated the armies of Morgoth in the War of Wrath. The Ainur were there, but they were most certainly not alone.

You will observe that I spoke of the Noldorin Empire. As in the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar. The failings of other elven states are not the issue and are not a valid counter. And no, your accusation is in error, good will and close ties are anything but trifles to the elves, this much I know for a fact. An elf is your problem, a problem that will soon be naught but memory. Perhaps it has escaped your attention that the Aelosian government is purely advisory in nature, and though many of them would support you, the policies of Aelosia prevent this. We would have them support you, we would even give serious thought to aiding you against them in a hypothetical military confrontation on Mars.

And yes, as an independent entity, the Nightbringer could have left the Webway at any time, without consequences. You do not expect the Manmen Kabal to constrain him by force surely? We aquired in exchange for Khalis Ra’s services, samples of Dark Eldar technology with which we reverse engineered some aspects of your technology. This does not mean that we ordered him to attack you. If we were a party to the assault, I assure you, you would all be dead now. As it is, you are not, and it is even my desire, that you live happy, productive lives in peace. Good day.

Prince Asirnoth, Supreme Commander of the Necron Fleet, Lord of Netu, Director of Operations in the Sol System.

(This one isn’t)

To: Moranis, Scholar of the Kin of the Stars
From: Princess Aliria D'Hyru, the Sindarin Jewel

Sadness and grief have produced in me your words, ancient and maybe wise Eldar. Indeed your words are harsh and bitter, and with no doubt resentment and hatred are starting to invade your mind and to turn the tide of your thoughts into a dark side, the dark side that you wisely call She-Who-Thrists. You claim that you Eldar are superior to us due to your higher honor, due to our past actions and statements, yet in your declarations I find the same poison that sometimes invades our Everqueen regarding your race.

Indeed it would be my wishes to regain the friendly ways of interacting between your people and my own, but I no longer hold the power in my realm, and it is the whim of the Everqueen to create odds between us. Even defying my sacred duty to obey my ancestor and ruler, I write these lines...Nothing could make me happier than to see the elves and the Eldar united to progress and develop across the stars, as Telgonthrind the wise, with no doubt a being of superior enlightement, tried to teach me when I was younger.

You claim that we elves never tried to help you in any way, instead hindering your efforts to survive and to fight wars in the fields of honor. Do I need to remind your with no doubt forgetful mind how we faced the bitter retribution of one of the eldar enemies in the fields of Mars?. The Aumanii, for us a neutral country, invaded us with military might to exact revenge on us because we tried to help you in your military effort to defend what you thought were your possessions in the Red Planet. And thousands of our soldiers spilled their blood in the trenches of the Auman border defending and supporting our Eldar allies of Tor Yvresse. I saw with my own eyes the red sand of the desert wet with Sindarin blood after the forces of Auman withdrew, repelled by our steadfast and brave troops.

We supported you back then, even if that turned an otherwise neutral neighbour into a hostile one, even as we had nothing to win and a lot to lose helping you and lending you our facilities and resources. Your words are an insult to the spirits of the soldiers that fell in that field of battle, in front of the Hellepontos, to them and to the orphans and widows that believe in their right mind that their parents and husbands were heroes who sacrificed their lives for a worthy cause, a worthy Eldar, and not Sindarin, cause. You also forgot about the fact that Telgonthrind, may the Valar have pity of his soul, is now chained by your strange arts of necromancy into the same state of unlife that disturbed the peace of mind of my Queen. But that nevertheless that fact, she was invited and accepted as a guest of honor in our lands, and also honored with the position of becoming one of the mentors of the Heir to the throne, myself.

I also remind you, Scholar Moranis, before your lack of knowledge about my people forces you to speak those ill statements about the Sindar again, that many of the nobles and citizens in our Empire indeed feel respect and admiration towards the Eldar of the Stars, turning them into friendly elves that feel they have a debt towards the race that teached how to travel through the stars. Even me, the Heir to the throne, can be included in that group.

You also spoke about the animosity of our Queen towards your people. I won't deny that fact, due to the point that her public statements have been filled with hard words towards the Farseers that command your people. But again I remind you that never that animosity have scaled to the point of any kind of hostile action against tor Yvresse, but have just remained as words, mainly because although we must obey the commands of our Everqueen, the Sindarin Empire of Aelosia is effectively ruled by a council of the leaders of the great Noble Houses of the Empire, and although the Everqueen is the highest ranking member of that Gathering, she's not an absolute ruler, and not all nobles would approve any kind of actions against the interest of the Eldar.

I would demand an apology, but I must realize that there is a hidden part of truth inside your words, so I would be happy just to hear that you, as myself, are devoted to the cause of uniting our people in friendship, and to erase the differences that although left in the past, are still dividing us.

With my best wishes to you and those you love...

Aliria

A Very Short reply to the Lady Aliria.

My lady your words are indeed wise, and remind me much of the arrogance of my youth. Perhaps I was hasty, I shall take onboard your words, and alter my original assertion somewhat, to make it clear that my concerns lie only with Elven Governments and not with the Elven race.

Indeed it is true that you fought besides us on Mars against the Aumanii nation, and we do not wish to forget that time, but it is of note that during that war, only land and honour was at stake, during the NGEN war, our forces where smaller and almost all engaged in attempting to force a change in their hateful policies towards the Quendi peoples. During that war then it would have been far more than honour that would have been lost, it would have been the main part of the Kionash Military forces, not only in that time did we face Nuclear threat, but we faced Morgoth and the Yngir.

That was a time we faced a loss from which it is unlikely we could have recovered so soon after the events of Proceding our arrival in the Sol Sector. And yet I take on board your words, and shall acknowledge they have worth.

((OOC Well okay maybe not so short. Reply to Ctans message above still coming))