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Just wanted to know where everyone stood on them! I noticed a few "Elven Nations" wandering around and wanted to know if they were quasi-respectable, or fringe trash.


Hey there. ;)

Ah...I would say there is a long list of respectable Rper who use elves or Rp with elven nations:

Menelmacar (elf)
Melkor Unchained
Tor Yevessee
Ctan
Automagfreek
Knootoss

Not to mention the greatest NS war was about elves. So...fringe? Only if you want to be a 'realistic' NSer in which case you can go stay over in International Incidents...

Ah yes, missed them...

edit er, how did my post jump the one below???????

Don't forget me! (Well, for elven anyway. It's up to others to label me respectable or not..) :-D (My leader and about 20% of the population is Elven) And let's not forget that this is about the millionth thread with a poll about how people feel about elves. Oh well..

Hmmm, how should I put it????

I play with nations of any species (except perhaps Cyborg-Angel-Demon-Dragon-Vampire-God-MagicNinjas). Elves are one of those...but that doesn't mean I treat them as any human nation (nor do I treat Aliens as human).

As it stands, Wazzu has 5 main sentients organized into 4 political groups (and some quazi groups). ALL are accounted for in the population of my main nation, I use puppets only as placeholders.

The Dominion (protectorate) of Wazzu:
By far the largest political group, the Dominion has well over 3 billion sentients, the vast majority of whom are human. Tolkein-esk dwarves make up the largest minority, at around 3-4% of the total population. Various other races exist, but not in large enough numbers to be accounted for.

The Empire (protectorate) of Wazzu:
Made up of the alien "Therian" species, from a allied nation that disentigrated some time ago. Has about 2% of the total Wazzu population.

The Conclave (protectorate) of Wazzu:
You guessed it, Protoss, again a nation friendly with (and once boardering a colony of) Wazzu collapsed. Protoss make up less than 1% of the total Wazzu population.

The Dynasty (protectorate) of Wazzu:
Elves...found in the mountains of the origional nation (which occupies most of Sweden). Not Tolkein elves, those are overdone. Instead, think "Santa's elves", only not the childish good folk in stories. It's more that they are small, somewhat fairy-ish (natural magic), and just plain odd. But individuals are as good or evil as any others. Think "North elves" or "Nordic elves." They make up less than 0.5% of the total Wazzu population.

So humans make up over 92.5% of the total population of Wazzu, and an even higher percentage of Wazzu's main political group/protectorate...that is, the one I play the most. The others are just there for RP potential, though I haven't used them yet (and haven't been willing to combine them into my main nation, which I am trying to keep mostly origional).

So how do I deal with elves? It depends on what group I am playing.

Protoss would see elves (even Tolkien elves) as lesser developed beings with great potential.

Therians would see elves much the same way as they see humans, a species rising to Empire that will eventually crash (much like the Protoss and their own empire did).

Tolkein dwarves...well, you know how they see elves.

And the humans of Wazzu tend after the once infamous philosopher-scientist, "Sandman," who said that elves, humans, and dwarves are all races (where black/white/asian/hispanic/etc are breeds) and who argued humans were just as good as elves. It was an unpopular view with elves.

Few Tolkein elves are willing to live in Wazzu. The cold mountains don't meet their standards of a good place to live, and everywhere else is a huge urban area who's smog makes Ardan weather look like paradise.

A fair few of the richer elves (of which there are many...you can accumulate quite a bit of interest when you are immortal) do visit parts of Wazzu though...mostly "cities" that float (by boyuancy, not gravitics) in the stratosphere over the old country. The view of the stars and of sun sets/rises at such high altitudes are outstanding.

So, if that wasn't in depth enough for you, too bad. :) Because thats how I deal with elves.

OOCly, I have no problem with them. ICly, I just consider them to be funny-looking humans.

OOC:

How I ICly interact with elven nations depends on a large extend past IC interactions and history, coupled with the unique Vrakian world-view.

OOCly, I really don't mind what species a nation is, as long as an average citizen doesn't claim to be able to wipe out a tank battalion because of uber magic powers, fighting skills, mind powers, etc... In other words, I tend to agree with Wazzu's remarks.

OOC:

How I ICly interact with elven nations depends on a large extend past IC interactions and history, coupled with the unique Vrakian world-view.

OOCly, I really don't mind what species a nation is, as long as an average citizen doesn't claim to be able to wipe out a tank battalion because of uber magic powers, fighting skills, mind powers, etc... In other words, I tend to agree with Wazzu's remarks.

Yes from NS sentient Walrus population...

Yes from NS sentient Walrus population...

But of course. :)

Without revealing too much OOCly to others reading this thread (since Alcona is quite familiar with Vrak), my walruses are very similiar to RL walruses in terms of physical characteristics. They are, of course, sentient and about the strength of a real-life walrus as well (except the ones that are "athletes" e.g. involved in walrus-fu combat). But they don't have mind powers or any other uber things like that. I just added in a twist saying they live about 2-300 years or so.

Hmmm, how should I put it????

I play with nations of any species (except perhaps Cyborg-Angel-Demon-Dragon-Vampire-God-MagicNinjas).

You forgot Neko. You've strayed from Battle.net-RP too much. Everyone is also a Neko-based Demon-Angel Cyborg Vampire Dragon-God with magical Ninja powers.

Few Tolkein elves are willing to live in Wazzu. The cold mountains don't meet their standards of a good place to live, and everywhere else is a huge urban area who's smog makes Ardan weather look like paradise.

Except for Kalessin, Addamous, Angband, Ermorian Isle, and Mordor, Ardan weather is actually quite beautiful due to Elemental Control. It's actually a world-leader in beautiful environments.

You forgot Utumno. The entire "Sixth Kingdom" [the province where Angband and Utumno are located] has the shitty weather that we all have come to expect of the OMG EVIL realms. And I doubt any of Wazzu's cities could generate enough smog to contend with the clouds generated by the furnaces of the two strongholds.

How did I know High Orcs would just have to weigh in on this? :p

And the "Ermorian Isle" has shitty weather since it's "good" weather for the locals. Cold is better for rotting zombies than warm, and to maximize the effect, it's very dark down there. White snow + sun = bad naughty things when light reflects off the damn snow on the dead.

And on the issue on elves... The undead hate them as much as everyone else. No discrimination there.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and those options are pretty much on the "I hate elves!" spectrum, you completely forgot the option which goes a bit like this: "OMG I AM TEH ELF LOVAR!!!!!"

This was an OOC post, no matter what anyone says!

As far as the Enra Siannon is concerned, Elves are just a subspecies of Humanity which evolved through natural causes due to isolation back several hundred thousand years ago. Their worth as a servitor species has not yet been asessed, but they ought to be just as good as humans.

With that said, Siannon has reasonably good relations with the Menelmacari.

I'd RP with them long enough for the minority of Dwarves in my nation to tear them a new elf-hole, otherwise, the humans are not fussed.

Menelmacar (elf)
Melkor Unchained
Tor Yevessee
Ctan
Automagfreek
Knootoss



OOC: I don't RP elves, nor do I normally interact with elven nations. ;)

Don't ask why, we just don't cross paths.

Yep, I'm an entire empire of Elves. Well, mostly Elves. There's a substantial human minority.

As for these so-called "High Orcs" (which, to my knowledge, do not exist) what a figment of the imagination could possibly add of value to this discussion, I'm not at all sure.

DON'T FORGET THE THELASI!

Okay, so I'm not a 'respectable' RPer... but I'm an elf...

The Thelasi think that humans have their advantages and disadvantages, and usualy get along with humans just fine, that is, when said humans are not trying to kill, castrate, rape, or other-wise harm them.

Well, then you have the Outcasts, who were exiled from Thelas because they beleive humans to be inferior, and they beleive that most humans deserve to be enslaved, to be cattle with no rights, property to be used up and discarded.

They arn't that popular.

Yep, I'm an entire empire of Elves. Well, mostly Elves. There's a substantial human minority.

As for these so-called "High Orcs" (which, to my knowledge, do not exist) what a figment of the imagination could possibly add of value to this discussion, I'm not at all sure.


Ooooooh *shudders*
The Almighty Cold Shoulder

*snickers* I am Oooh-So Intrigued by my utter apathy

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The Orcish Doctrine, which the High Fist tends to follow word for word and spread to all 'Lesser Races" as complete Dogma for all society and behavioral ideals, has a minor note concerning Elves:


Orcs are among the noblest of races, such as the Elves and the Great Titans.

This would suggest that, though the High Orcs heavily resent the Palladium Elves for enslaving them for a greater part of 10,000 Years (around 8,000), they still view them as being a noble species. Upon further observation, this could be due to the Orcs having first witnessed the atrocities commited by them unto the Dwarves in their showing of Might over the Dwarven Empire in the Ten Millenia Elf-Dwarf War that burned both civilizations to near Ash.

The passage could be further interpreted that, as the Orcs were treated as third-class citizens, and even the High Orc Generals that lead them under Elven Banners weren't even considered to be Generals in the Elven Army (not officially. They were restricted of such perks while under Elven bondage), it would easily be deduced that it is more of a moral law in Doctrine so Orcs would no longer believe that they are a 'lesser' race in creation's hierarchy, but equal to what are commonly referred to ass the greater stature of beings (the Greatest being Dragons).

I thoroughly dislike elves. Their snooty, aloof, frail, and make bad furniture restorers (and overcharge you to boot). We did away with our Elves a long time ago, after a lone nut tried to assassinate the Grand Prince, and we've never been better.

You forgot Utumno. The entire "Sixth Kingdom" [the province where Angband and Utumno are located] has the shitty weather that we all have come to expect of the OMG EVIL realms. And I doubt any of Wazzu's cities could generate enough smog to contend with the clouds generated by the furnaces of the two strongholds.

How did I know High Orcs would just have to weigh in on this? :p

Forgot about U-Town did I? Whoops.

And yes, weather is something I must admit I need to profess strongly against common opinion. Good weather attracts people.

I want tourists to come and visit Arda and come away with, "wow, the locals aren't that good looking, but the weather was nice."

Well considering that this tread was started by a noob...

And most people are commenting on A+H's post (and he regularly does not Rp with elves...only Walruses...)

I think we can excuse the lack of some people on the list and others not being on the list.

Great. Most nations don't care. For the most part, we like polls. :)

OOC:

What can I say?. I roleplay an elven nation, I used to be more active than I am now, but that's mainly due to important personal problems.

Am I a good roleplayer?. I don't think I'm the one who must judge that, but my roleplaying partners. At least I try to make an effort, but I don't think that my condition of "Elf Nation" affects in any case my capacity as a player.

Anyway, I don't think that racial issues are amongst the most important qualities you must take into account when you try to roleplay something in the NS forum, but again, you're free to judge as you want.

About Aelosia, well, it's an Empire conformed by a huge majority of elven population, (96,5%), created by the last survivors of the Sindarin (Tolkien elves), although Noldor, Vanyar, and even lesser varieties like Drows represent an important sctor of the inhabitants. I think that resumes the otherwise long explanation very well...

My nation has a rather small minority population of elves, barely 1%. The humans that make up the majority of my population don't really care about the elves, not bothering them unless bothered. Thus, my society is pretty polarized. The elves have become sort of like the Native Americans, well treated a lot better... The elves are generally well regarded by the government as several have risen to pretty respectable positions...

You forgot Utumno. The entire "Sixth Kingdom" [the province where Angband and Utumno are located] has the shitty weather that we all have come to expect of the OMG EVIL realms. And I doubt any of Wazzu's cities could generate enough smog to contend with the clouds generated by the furnaces of the two strongholds.

How did I know High Orcs would just have to weigh in on this? :p

This I would have to disagree with, as Wazzu is a city.

OK, Wazzu was a single city-state, now its a bit more spread out...quite a bit more.

But if it's literally deadly smog really is worse then some places in Arda or not...well, only the NS rankings can say.

Forgot about U-Town did I? Whoops.

And yes, weather is something I must admit I need to profess strongly against common opinion. Good weather attracts people.

I want tourists to come and visit Arda and come away with, "wow, the locals aren't that good looking, but the weather was nice."

Wow, Arda is open to tourism now?

When did this happen...and how do I get in on it?!?! :)

I'd spend my life savings just to go to Arda. Seriously.

I roleplay an Elven nation, with a small minority of humans. They are Tolkien elves, but my favorites are the Noldor and the Vanyar. Wood-elves are so-so, in my opinion.

I'm an RP ho: I'll play with anyone. Well, except that guy who could split into two beings, one of which was a talking, light-saber wielding space-bunny.

My nation has 12 million elves out of the nation's population of 3.13 billion. Most of which live in rural Brasil.

I don't roleplay with them really. A couple of times, I had a few terrorist cells with elves. That's about it.

OOCly, well. They're not my favorite fantasy race, at least in Tolkien. They're like Texans mixed with the French. ICly, Heinrid Abadas, the President of my nation (for now), has been waging a private war against the elven minority (he considers them heathen abominations, of course) for some time.

I'd spend my life savings just to go to Arda. Seriously.


That can be arranged.

Wow, Arda is open to tourism now?

When did this happen...and how do I get in on it?!?! :)

The Great Savanna is actually a region-wide preserve created by the High Orcs. It's a great place to see, and lies within the very Heart of the region (where the Clans circumnavigate and are most intensely populated. I like to think that the Kingdoms are East of It, Wretchgard West of it, Addamous (whom is an arctic climate), north of it, and mountains separating the land from the beaches that are a natural border between the mainland and Kalessin. There's about 30 nations I didn't add, but I really don't know where they fit in, if they so choose to fit into the Geographic region)

Tourism is fine for the High Orcs. However, poachers (anything hunting in the Savanna unorthorized is considering poaching. Penalty is death upon witness without trial. This is Law of the Golden Sky {The Druids who control the Clan aren't the most forgiving to enemies of nature}. In fact, Inter-regional tourism is quite the feat as the Heart of Arda is undoubtedly the most beautiful portion in the region, crafted and masterminded entirely by the High Orcs of the Golden Sky and maintained by over 7 other Clans (Requiring almost a billion to upkeep and maintain it). Many citizens of other nations, especially the richer ones, escape to vacation there for adventurous hiking and off-road travels. THe Golden Sky doesn't mind exhaust pollution, as the Air ELementals can purify the air once it reaches their atmospheric height.

I have no opinion. I'd play with them, but not treat them differently than any other nation.This was closest to my response:
"I recognize what Elves go through but don't give them rascist shit."
So I went with #4.

I won't RP with elves, because I'm a 'realistic' RPer who "can go stay over in International Incidents...". >_>

I won't RP with elves, because I'm a 'realistic' RPer who "can go stay over in International Incidents...". >_>


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