NationStates Jolt Archive

You have the right, as a person, to save people from harm, if you can.

You have the right as a nation to save people from harm, if you can, whether they be in your nation or not, if you accept the consequences of violating another nation's sovereignty.

You have the right as a nation to pass a law which states that all females are to be relieved of their extremities (arms and legs) as they perform no useful function within your nation's culture.

You have the right as a nation to pass a law that mandates that any nation that removes female extremities shall be invaded and destroyed utterly.

YOU have these rights.

The (you know who!) is neither a person nor a nation.

The (same world body as above) cannot do these things.

People and Nations need to understand that they are individuals and should act as individuals. Individuals acting in concert through agreement is a good thing. Individuals acting in concert through coercion is a bad thing.

Membership in a particular world body (as hinted at above) would make me act in contravention to my own rules, and therefore makes me act through coercion.

Thus, membership in this aforementioned august world body is unacceptable for me as an individual nation, and as an individual person.

This is my culture. Do you respect my culture to have it's own ways, or is my culture somehow less worthy than yours?

Any comments...?

Aloha..! :)


-Keiki'olu I'ake'oke'o
Current "Big-Diggah" and "Chief Head-Whompah"

"May prosperity and freedom from silly rules be your destiny..!"

We respect your rights as a free people, and ask that all excess female limbs be shipped to the various organ banks around the galaxy.

Maybe you should start cutting out their tongues as well...one does not need arms to nag.

Rights are not intrinsic, they are what society or other agents assign to or for you.

You really have a bee in your bonnet about a certain international body, don't you?

We respect your rights as a free people, and ask that all excess female limbs be shipped to the various organ banks around the galaxy.

Maybe you should start cutting out their tongues as well...one does not need arms to nag.

D'OH...! :)

We certainly do not do such things, and would gladly supply our full contingent of tapa loincloth clothed "warrior-poets" and extra-sharp clamshell weaponry (patents pending) toward stomping the living shnootgard out of any nation that would do such a thing..! :)

..though the tongue thing does have some merit... How about convincing the females that really heavy tongue-piercings are "VERY COOL"..?


-Keiki'olu I'ake'oke'o
Current "Big-Diggah" and "Chief Head-Whompah"

"May prosperity and freedom from silly rules be your destiny..!"

Rights are not intrinsic, they are what society or other agents assign to or for you.

You really have a bee in your bonnet about a certain international body, don't you?

You are absolutely correct, wise one.

Of course, I didn't use the word, "intrinsic".

My culture assigns these "rights" to nations and individuals. Nations are distinguished by self-proclaimed nationality/culture. Individuals by having a body. This creates competition.

The market of competing "rights" we call "life", and the effort expended in pursuit of these rights we call "living".

We are a simple people, and appreciate simple profundities. :)

OH,.. and about that obnoxious international body. It's only the enforcement power given to them (in this game) which strips any real meaning of national culture/nationality from member provinces (they are NOT nations) that I disagree so vehemently with. Other than that they're a fine bunch of left-wing pollyannas... :)

Happiness, love and wisdom to you..! Aloha..!


-Keiki'olu I'ake'oke'o
Current "Big-Diggah" and "Chief Head-Whompah"

"May prosperity and freedom from silly rules be your destiny..!"

The UN is the sum of all its parts. I don't believe you can state with accuracy that a handful of nations are running things. I don't believe you can state with accuracy that the UN is 'left-wing'. I don't believe Ecopoeia has had its culture stripped from it through its membership.

Peace to you.

Varia Yefremova
Speaker to the UN

The UN is pretty heavily skewed towards the left. A quick look through almost all the resolutions subsequent to the very very first one shows this.

The UN is the sum of all its parts. I don't believe you can state with accuracy that a handful of nations are running things. I don't believe you can state with accuracy that the UN is 'left-wing'. I don't believe Ecopoeia has had its culture stripped from it through its membership.

Peace to you.

Varia Yefremova
Speaker to the UN

You are free to believe what you like. That is the nature of belief.

I boils down to this with my people: If we must agree to have laws we don't agree with enforced on our territory to be a member of the UN, then our culture is changed by our membership in the UN.

This strips us of who we are as a nation.

It's very simple to us.

Apparently you are different, as you will change your culture to fit the needs of being a member of the UN. That is your right. We would describe what you are willing to do to be a member of the UN as valuing your membership more than your culture, which is to us unacceptable and an abrigation of nation-hood. To us you are a province of the UN, not a nation.

The left-wingedness of the UN is blatant and self-admitted. Which is fine. Perhaps our definitions of "left-wingedness" are incongruent. You may believe as you wish.

In my nation's opinion, the UN is more than the sum of it's parts, because it has extra-national enforcement power over it's constituent parts. This makes it MORE than a collection of independent nations, as it acts as it's own national government (the nation state of UN), which all member provinces (such as your "nation") must bow to.

The UN is not a nation or an individual, and can not exercise the powers of either a nation or an individual.

This is what my people believe. You may believe what you wish.

Happiness, love and wisdom to you..! Aloha..!


-Keiki'olu I'ake'oke'o
Current "Big-Diggah" and "Chief Head-Whompah"

"May prosperity and freedom from silly rules be your destiny..!"

I like you people. :D We should talk, sometime.

In my mind, cultures can do what they want. I personally find it revolting, but as long as you aren't killing her, I really don't care. We don't do it- but other nations can, if they want.

Just out of curiosity, what nation is doing this? Anyway, it would make more sense to cut off just arms and tongues. It's be a drag to have to carry them around when they needed to be moved.

We need to take this a step back: if we remove the arms, how will they do the dishes?

P.S. My wife is about to stab me with a fork. I retract my previous statement: OFF WITH THEIR ARMS!

Sevaris
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In my mind, cultures can do what they want. I personally find it revolting, but as long as you aren't killing her, I really don't care. We don't do it- but other nations can, if they want.


25-08-2004, 3:08 PM #11
The Resurgent Dream
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Just out of curiosity, what nation is doing this? Anyway, it would make more sense to cut off just arms and tongues. It's be a drag to have to carry them around when they needed to be moved.



25-08-2004, 3:14 PM #12
Gawdly
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We need to take this a step back: if we remove the arms, how will they do the dishes?

P.S. My wife is about to stab me with a fork. I retract my previous statement: OFF WITH THEIR ARMS!


We don't do this.

We certainly wouldn't support someone who does it.

We would probably actually try to rescue females of any nation that does do it. In as sneaky a way as possible, most likely.

And I know of no nation that does do it.

This is simply a statement of principle that nations, as with individuals, can do as they wish, as long as they realize that there are other's out there who might "stomp" them for doing so.

I'm essentially making a statement the my culture doesn't like the fact that UN membership would make my nation a province of the greater state called the UN, because it acts as a nation/individual does, while saying it's NOT a nation/individual.


Thankies. :)

-Keiki'olu I'ake'oke'o
Current "Big-Diggah" and "Chief Head-Whompah"

"May prosperity and freedom from silly rules be your destiny..!"