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My nation has a serious problem with crime, so I need a little help. What do you do with your criminals? Prison isn't working. Revealing what prison is like isn't working. A sizeable chunk of funding goes to police, but it's not more police that we need. We need examples. So that's where I need you to help me out. I need some suggestions.

You could do it the same way romans used to disipline there soldiers. The would line up there soldiers (in your case crimmials) then kill every 10th one.

Well, in Dronios we shoot people for looking dirty or if they haven't shaved themselves that morning. The police force deals out serious beatings for no apparent reason. So if there would ever be a crime rate in Dronios, it would be the cops committing the crimes, for which they then get beheaded for.

My suggestion would be public floggings. Televised.

This is a bit sadistic but here's a few suggestions:

1. Put their heads on a pike
2. Allow police brutality as necessary
3. Have the people eaten alive by some nonsense creature(s)

Yeah, police brutality should do the trick. Support the use of mace to shut criminals up. Allow beatings to accompany traffic violations. Maybe have people kept in stocks for awhile. Try impaling a few people and keeping their bodies in public squares. Keep executed people's corpses at your borders. Try out the slow-closing iron maidens. Maybe slice off an ear or a nose. Modify electric chairs to work their way up from a slow, discomforting buzz. Put a boom box with Cher playing loud just out of reach- that's pain beyond words.

If you're asking for new punishments... How about Tying them Naked to a Metal Pole with 1000 volts of electricity running through it, and whipping them with a Cat o' Nine Tails (a whip... basically 9 braided together) made of Barbed Wire?

Or Strapping them down and forcing them to listen to Celine Dion or Enya?

Or Sandblasting them while legally changing their names to Shirley?

we are evil people. ...........:D

Or you could try rehabilitation, you know. It works fairly well here in New Genoa.

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Police brutality? Heads on pikes? What is this maddness? A much more humane solution would be to implant captured criminals with a GPS locator that monitors the person wherever they go. Whenever the criminal commits a crime, the criminal could be either shocked with an extremely painful 900 volt electric charge emmitted by another implant, or be temporarily paralyzed by nerve gas by yet another implant. It may be a little more expensive, but it will pay off in the long run.

Within Reformed Velmora, those few constructs which do commit a crime are punished by having privilages or abilities removed. Thier status and job are degraded, and thier rank may decrease as a result. For example, a construct which gathers wood and has all the usual privilages that I provide for my people, will be demoted to having a role removing the waste of the cities, and possibly have thier library access removed. And this is highly affective. Of course, it does not need to be said that the construct is first checked for defects, and the constructs seem to be confessional in such events. They find themselves in fault and wish to remove the wish to cause damage to other constructs and the peace of the nation.

I have only ever had two accounts of behavour disorders within my society of constructs. The first was a burning of certain scriptures in the library. She was soon to be discovered to have a flaw when she was created, and was promtly repaired by myself. The second attacked another construct, and was unfortunately destroyed beyond repair or recognition by that construct's loyal thirty freinds in the area with a powerful display of magic.

There are no non-constructs within my nation other than myself, Kain Shentavo.

Some good punishments-

-Bullet to the back of the brain from a pistol, then bill the family for the bullet used.
-Hold gladiator games, and force them all to fight to the death. Shoot the winer in private so people think they can actualy survive.
-Drop into the intake of a jet engine, just like a blender.
-Lock them in a small closet sized room in total darkness with no human contact for the rest of their life.
-And finnaly, my latest invention, cut open their belly, and make it so stomach acids leak out, and inject them with cafine to keep them alive while they are burned away to a charred shell from the inside.

You could .. make them watch re-runs of American Idol .. ewwww.

It has been noted that the following nations have been added to New Genoa's Human Rights Offenders list.

Doomingsland
Ravea
Dronios

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Some good punishments-

-Bullet to the back of the brain from a pistol, then bill the family for the bullet used.
-Hold gladiator games, and force them all to fight to the death. Shoot the winer in private so people think they can actualy survive.
-Drop into the intake of a jet engine, just like a blender.
-Lock them in a small closet sized room in total darkness with no human contact for the rest of their life.
-And finnaly, my latest invention, cut open their belly, and make it so stomach acids leak out, and inject them with cafine to keep them alive while they are burned away to a charred shell from the inside.

Such punishments are crude and unnecciserily cruel. You try and reduce crime through stiff warning and fatal execution. Such is a waste of resources, a more subtle touch is more effective and less brutal. Of course, you are not advantaged by having a nation entirely made of constructs, but it still applies. The construct populance are well tempered and civil, but with thier own personalities and such.

Mortal populances are so much harder to control I know....

Kain Shentavo

Such punishments are crude and unnecciserily cruel. You try and reduce crime through stiff warning and fatal execution. Such is a waste of resources, a more subtle touch is more effective and less brutal. Of course, you are not advantaged by having a nation entirely made of constructs, but it still applies. The construct populance are well tempered and civil, but with thier own personalities and such.

Mortal populances are so much harder to control I know....

Kain Shentavo
Look at my crime rate, though. It works!

And yet, such punishment creates discontent among the prisoners. Look at what happened when the gladiators and slaves of Rome freed themselves in 73 BCE; they wreaked havoc on Italia for several years. Any chance these prisoners have to strike back at you, expect them to do so. Beware.

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It has been noted that the following nations have been added to New Genoa's Human Rights Offenders list.

Doomingsland
Ravea
Dronios

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Hey! At least my solution doesent involve blowing holes in peoples brains or playing Cher!

Doomingsland, the other punishments I can just think of as really mean, but the cutting-open-the-stomach stuff is just beyond evil. The same thing with the dark, closet-sized space.

The use of 900 volt shocks and nerve agents cross the line (though not as far as the other two mentioned) and thus that is why Ravea was added.

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And yet, such punishment creates discontent among the prisoners. Look at what happened when the gladiators and slaves of Rome freed themselves in 73 BCE; they wreaked havoc on Italia for several years. Any chance these prisoners have to strike back at you, expect them to do so. Beware.

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The prisoners have no hope, and nothing to lose, so they may try anything to survive. There are no threats which work if you have condemned them to a horrible death.

Hey, wait a second! Dronios ain´t offending the Human Rights!
Noone who gets shot or beheaded or punished by any law is Human!
Dronios consists 100% of non-humans! how do we break the Human Rights?

And human rights don't apply to elves, dwarves, vampires and such? My constructs are affected by human rights and treated as people because they act as such. Human rights affects sentient organic beings, although I am no expert. What race are your populance in any regard?

Kain Shentavo

Hey, wait a second! Dronios ain´t offending the Human Rights!
Noone who gets shot or beheaded or punished by any law is Human!
Dronios consists 100% of non-humans! how do we break the Human Rights?

"Human rights" is a blanket term we use -- it includes all sentient life.

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Well blame it on Dronios leader, OverMaester Jiliiz Wriikez, as he was the one starting those laws...
I am only his right hand....or was it the left?

In our nation heretics are punished by being lobotomized and turned into servitors, some are publicly burned. Also we have wonderful people known as Interrigator chaplains who could make Mother Teresa admit to murder. There is also a wonderful machine known as the Excruciator, a person is stapped face down onto a steel table while a large machine in the ceiling filled with thousands of microsharpend blades slowly lowers down and rakes up down their backs. Psychic interrigation is always good as well. Or hell take your criminals give them a gun a uniform and a commander and some regular troops that are more crazy than the enemy and make them repay their debt to mankind.

Or hell take your criminals give them a gun a uniform and a commander and some regular troops that are more crazy than the enemy and make them repay their debt to mankind.

Intreging...miitary use of prisoners. Very interesting, if morally wrong. I do commend your ingenity, if not your morality. Harsh times call for harsh actions I suppose, although your actions are highly dangerous I would think.


Kain Shentavo

[QUOTE=Doomingsland]Some good punishments-

-Bullet to the back of the brain from a pistol, then bill the family for the bullet used.

Wow- thts what they do in the "People's Republic of" China (isnt it amusing how North Korea is also a "People's respublic, if you ask me , something seems fishy there...)

And yet, such punishment creates discontent among the prisoners. Look at what happened when the gladiators and slaves of Rome freed themselves in 73 BCE; they wreaked havoc on Italia for several years. Any chance these prisoners have to strike back at you, expect them to do so. Beware.

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That's why we have them covered by automated machine gun turrets at all times. Plus, only a select few get to go to the games, the rest either get the bullet to the back of the head, or being locked in a closet the rest of their lives. People who commited minor crimes are sent to 'reeducation centers.'

Wow. You people could get jobs coming up with this stuff. This is really brutal. Oh, and for those of you who think I'm disrupting human rights, these are just punishments for those worthy of punishment. Rehabilitation is very important, but for those who cannot be rehabilitated (and don't say everyone's capable of rehabilitation), these punishments are waiting. Though I'm not going to use most of these, send more! Your input is appreciated. And Monumenta, you're a horrible sick person- listening to Cher is a crime unto itself :p

When dealing with criminals it is often difficult to punish the criminal himself as they have the most distressing habit of attempting to escape justice. This is why the people of Zaad are deliberating the findings of a radical new program.

Have government special agents research the criminal and liquidate the things he holds most dear on a public program dedicated to catching these vile criminals. In isolated tests, we have noticed that criminals with uncooperative relatives react to the program in ways that allow our agents to catch them more easily.

We are pleased with the initial response from the test viewers, it seems the show may have very high ratings if implemented.

Just listen to George Carlin's rant on capital punishment. There are plenty of ideas you can use...like catipulting people into brick walls.

Criminals in Bryn Shander are usually beaten and then sold into slavery, although a large percentage "accidently" gets sucked into space because of "faulty" maintainance hatches on the colonies.

Do what we do, make it into a TV show.

The Super Happy Hyper Funnerific Dazzle Time TV Show! Strap an offender to a large evil scientist type table, and take call in torture methods from viewers! Let the sadism from your own populace bedazzle!

If that dosent work, you can always have public quarterings. You do know what quartering is, right? Tie a rope to each limb of the offender, tie the other ends to some things moves quite fast, and let the magic happen.

Obviously, a considerable deal of your people in responcibility for the crime and punishment in your govements do not understand thephychology of your people. I have adapted my methods of goverment from a mortal and very much human society to a warm, civil, and highly loyal construct society. Both have thier problems and benifits, but they should be tackled considering who you are dealing with.



Kain Shentavo

To help you decide on your next step in combating crime, I have compile a small list of options, all you would have to do is pick the one best suiting your specific needs.

IDEA 1:

Increase spending in Social Welfare and Education, it would help reduce the amount of 'common' criminals and allow your police task forces to focus on the real criminals.

IDEA 2:

Make them pay reparations to those who they have harmed, and the local police forces. If they cannot afford this, then they will work hard manual labor for the state until they have earned enough to pay for their release.

IDEA 3:

Torture and execution make poor forms of punishment as they cost money and return very little (if anything). I propose three alternatives:

- Sell them to your private sector or another nation as slaves. (= Profit)

- Donate them (or their organs) to the advancement of scientific research.

- Heard them into slaughter houses and kill them all. Once that is said and done; sell their flesh and organs as a more expensive substitute for animal meat on the food market, and their bones can be ground down and used as insulation for housing complexes.

doesn't matter what the people think should happen, just blow their brains out :sniper:

doesn't matter what the people think should happen, just blow their brains out :sniper:

A wonderful political mind you have there. Would you enjoy revolt on Tuesday?

Kain Shentavo

It has been noted that the following nations have been added to New Genoa's Human Rights Offenders list.

Doomingsland
Ravea
Dronios

Foreign Affairs

Heh heh, if you saw some of the things we do with criminals in our lands then I should be at the top of the list. Once you have been declared excommunicate/traitor/criminal, by a Inquisitorial council you have no rights. And we have a pair of sayings in our land, first "Innocence proves nothing." and "A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting the Inquisitions time."

Just listen to George Carlin's rant on capital punishment. There are plenty of ideas you can use...like catipulting people into brick walls.

I like the way you think! If they live through it and do not confess thier crime we can do it again except the second time the wall will be at a slite angle and be covered with barbed wire! The second wall will be tall enough that after impact the criminal will slide down the barbed wire!

When the criminal finaly confesses thier crime we can burn them at the stake as is standard procedure!

Thanks Raventhrall! We will implememt this new and enternaing punishment as soon as possible.