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Allanean President Delivers Address, Everything Else Int'l and Allanean

Allanea
22-08-2004, 17:11
OOC: This text is delivered into Allanea by all means possible. If any means of communication are available to you, and you are in Allanea, you will hear/see/read it. It is also transmitted on Menelmacari National TV

IC:

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*initial notes of the Allanean National Anthem*
*Alexander Kazansky appears on screen*

Friends, citizens, Allaneans!

In this harsh hour of the Republic, when the jackbooted stormtroopers of are marching in your streets, when your army is a pile of useless toys in a stockpile abroad, when the Damocles sword of multi-megaton destructionn hangs in your sky, I am to ask you to do something which you have never done before. I am not going to ask you for bravery, courage, faithfulness – for I know that my people have plenty of these. I will ask you to surrender.

I know that you sit there now, behind your television screens, and marvel whether I have gone insane. Think of it – what good are your weapons agains five hundred megatons? Can your deer rifle somehow shoot down those sattelites? Thought so.

Those would-be dictators are probably drafting plans how to oppress and disarm the people of Allanea as I speak. Seal your guns in PVC pipe. Bury them. Hide them.

I know what you think right now. You think of humiliation. Of slavery. Of defeat. Well, here’s my news for you: you are free. Every one of you. Your weapons are useless here – except for your mightiest weapon.

No weapon in the world can function without a person pulling the trigger – and without his living mind and conscinence. It is your mind and conscience that you need in this war – not your guns.

Your first and foremost duty is not to fight some suicidal war of liberation – who fights wars of liberation against an ortillery cannon? – your first duty is to rebuild Allanea. Until you can make trains run on time, don’t come talking to me about railcannon.

You want to resist? To protect the freedoms your fathers fought for? Take to the camera, the banner, the demonstration. I sit here with Theodore Preston, the leader of Allanea’s biggest civil rights group, and he agrees with me.

You want to do more for Allanea? You want to be free? I am sitting here in Vinyatirion with the best men of the nation. We are running here the Allanean governemnt in exile. You can come here. We have opened a bank account in a Menelmacari bank. For all intents and purposes, it is now the Allanean national budget. All income from the account will be used, in cooperation with the Federation of Sentient Peoples, to restore infrastructure in Allanea. I
Representatives of the FSP please call us at (4873) 3848-43-28471. Theodore Preston of the Allanean National Rifle Association is acccessible from the Association website – also maintained from Menelmacar.

May God Bless Allanea.

In the ticker, the words: "Using the number costs 5,000 Allanean Dollars per minute" appear
Menelmacar
22-08-2004, 18:13
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A special edition of Roundtable to discuss the Allanea situation, immediately following Kazansky's speech

With our host Silmarien Andunewen are guests Provost Glirhuin, a political science professor at Praxeum Vinyatírion, Círyaran Nimphelos, captain of the cruiser MIS Serceyávië, and Underprefect Legolin, the rising-star diplomat who recently singlehandedly changed the foreign policy of the Austar Union.

Silmarien: Well, the last twenty-four hours have certainly been eventful ones. A territorial dispute on Mars balloons into an orbital strike and the fall of Allanea. What's your take on this?

Glirhuin: I think it's not so much a single event as the culmination of many things. Allanea has engaged in aggression many times before, and the disarming of Allanea was a goal of countless realms. Witness how quickly Zero-One was able to rally support for their cause for what was essentially a war cri--

Nimphelos: Now just a minute, no war crimes were committed. Having seen the satellite footage - which, my dear Provost, I suggest you watch yourself - it has been made public, after all - I can vouch for the fact that Zero-One took great pains to minimize civilian casualties in--

Glirhuin: Are you seriously saying that this attack was engaged in responsibly and cleanly, with even casual regard for innocent Allanean lives?

Nimphelos: That's precisely what I'm saying. :rolleyes:

Glirhuin: ...oh. Well, all right then.

Silmarien: Underprefect Legolin, you've been quiet so far, what's the Prefecture of State's stance on all this?

Legolin: The position of the Imperial government is that the actions of the Zero-One coalition were, while drastic, in the end justified by Allanean escalations in what essentially started as a border skirmish. It would not have been justified initially, but it was justified in the end. And I do agree with the Provost that previous issues also play a factor here. The speed at which Zero-One amassed such an impressive coalition is a testament to the fact that almost the entire world had become immensely frustrated with Allanean policy. The action was justified, but there was a great deal of anger involved.

Silmarien: What of this government-in-exile?

Legolin: Let me make one thing clear, Silmarien, Kazansky's organization resides and operates in Menelmacar at the sole sufferance of the Elentári. Menelmacar wishes to see Allanea independent once again at some point in the future, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon if Kazansky is perceived to be working against FSP interests.

Glirhuin: This is unbelievable. I can't believe you'd expect these people to simply collaborate with...

Nimphelos: Weren't you saying earlier that Allanean policy had frustrated the world to no end?

Glirhuin: Well, yes, but once they're disarmed - which they are, their weapons reside now in Menelmacari warehouses and likely will for the foreseeable future - they should not be subjugated.

Legolin: We agree, but the Allaneans did agree to the FSP's terms...

Glirhuin: With a nuke bigger than this tower hanging over their heads!

Legolin: As I was saying, the Allaneans did agree to the FSP's terms, and I think it was probably wise of them to do so, for reasons beyond that you just stated, Provost. While I'm sure it would be the bleeding-heart approach to let Kazansky operate unfettered, Menelmacar is a bilateral treaty ally with the Federation of Sentient Peoples. As an ally, we have obligations to them as they do us. The FSP has honored their treaty obligations to an exemplary degree in the past and we are committed to returning the favor. If Kazansky and his group wish to operate in Menelmacar, they must provide free and open access and transparency to the Federation of Sentient Peoples, and must not under any circumstances either presume to have authority they have signed away or act against FSP interests. The thing for the Allaneans to do now is to show FSP and the world that they deserve independence. We know how FSP operates, and we are thus certain that when Allanea has shown itself sufficiently mature to handle the responsibility and power they have squandered in the past, the Federation of Sentient Peoples will promptly and honorably return that responsibility and power to them.

Glirhuin: I suppose that makes sense.

Nimphelos: Of course it does... but what if Kazansky doesn't play ball?

Legolin: Then he and his organization will no longer be welcome in Menelmacar. It's that simple. Honoring our alliance with FSP is more important than humoring what, despite its name, is essentially a special-interest lobby group.

Silmarien: Thank you all for coming. In our next segment, we'll be discussing Vrakian walri - sentients? Or plants? Right after these brief messages....
Ma-tek
22-08-2004, 22:34
The full Allanean speech is delivered by all INN Solar Group networks, but as the full speech is shown due to time constraints at most twice, special focus is given to the phrasing of the portion which states, "Seal your guns in PVC pipe. Bury them. Hide them."

Extra-special focus during the briefly-intense attention (especially on INN Solar News 2) to the story by the ICEL media is brought to the dishonest nature of such activities, with an undercurrent clearly pressing towards stating all-out that Allanea is expected to revert to previous behaviours when the occupation ends - but without going so far as saying so.

Pressure groups begin applying pressure on the ICEL Government through electronic means, and, as can happen with matters that were already considered important, within the hour, a new statement is issued to properly display the general sentiment of the People...

* * *

"The Commonality expresses sorrow at the dishonest nature of the surrender of Allanea. We would have hoped that such a dramatic result to their previous irresponsible behaviour ought to have provided the catalyst for change in that troubled but deeply rich and vibrant culture; however, we hope that the occupying forces will work hard to ensure that the violent actions they took to end the violence of Allanea does not result in a mere furtherment of the circle of pain."

~ High Lord Ambassador Dejure
Foe Hammer
23-08-2004, 02:02
18th NDI Fleet, In Geosynchronous orbit above the Federation Territory of Allanea

"Entering the Clarke Belt. Starboard Attitude thrusters online. Preparing to stabilize."

Kadovsky gripped the brass rail firmly attached to the console below the main bridge data screen.

A barely audible "phoof" brought the lumbering Superdestroyer into Geostationary orbit. Kazansky's speech began to play through the Comm station. An interesting phrase caught his attention...
"what good are your weapons agains five hundred megatons?"
Kadovsky dished out orders to his bridge crew. "Ops, status report. Nav, engage the APUs. Comm, open class-G transmission."
"Oh, get real, Kazansky. I know we've got at least a few Gigatons."
Menelmacar
23-08-2004, 02:05
OOC: Ma-tek, far be it from me to speak for Kazansky, but I think the 'bury the guns' bit was intended to urge the Allanean people - who'd be unlikely to voluntarily hand over their weapons anyway - not to violently resist the FSP. Just a thought. Though, I suppose it can be spun either way.
Ma-tek
23-08-2004, 02:10
OOC: Ma-tek, far be it from me to speak for Kazansky, but I think the 'bury the guns' bit was intended to urge the Allanean people - who'd be unlikely to voluntarily hand over their weapons anyway - not to violently resist the FSP. Just a thought. Though, I suppose it can be spun either way.

[OOC: *nods* Indeed - I did realise that that's probably what was meant. But to a culture who spent two thousand years killing each other, there's only one reason to bury your guns: to use em later on.]
Menelmacar
23-08-2004, 02:42
OOC: A bit of a chuckle for anyone interested:

On only partly-related matters, SeOCC (remember him?) is currently complaining in his little lair that I supposedly stole an idea off him from a long-forgotten post he did over a year ago. I quote:

what was it they said about imitation?

[link to this thread]

for those who weren't around ages and ages ago, Roundtable was a show I created to have SeOCC's talking heads chime in. it fizzled out as i lost interest in tryping up all that shit, but oh my! it's been resurrected in the most amazing show of flattery this world has ever seen.

what's really pathetic is that she can't even come up with her own ideas any more. sigh.

oh yeah: apparantly Allanea's been nuked into the dirt or something. very amusing.And I refer: "A Curious Piece of Flattery" (http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=1712)

I would of course like to question SeOCC's claim to having invented the idea of a show involving a panel of pundits and experts discussing current events. It does, after all, seem rather unlikely that he was a consultant for all the major newsnets well over a decade ago when the idea first became popular. If he is referring to the word 'Roundtable' itself, I refer the reader to this:

Google Search Results (http://www.google.com/search?q=roundtable&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

As you can see, this page displays the first ten of almost three million hits on the word Roundtable, spelled exactly as used in the show, including the lack of a space. Obviously I haven't gone through all two hundred ninety-three thousand pages of hits, but I'd wager that a very large number of them involve... gasp! A panel of pundits and experts discussing one subject or another. It is doubtful that SeOCC's illustrious player consults or webmasters on, or even contributes to, any, let alone all, of the listed websites.

The moral of the story, ladies and gentlemen, is to ensure you're actually an idea's originator before you claim to be such. Otherwise, you're just another Al Gore, inventing the Internet.

I return you now to your regularly-scheduled RP.
Weyr
23-08-2004, 02:51
To: the Gov't of Allanea
From: the Weyrik Int'l Bank at Wye
Re: Relief funds

Seeing as you once again have the means to communicate freely, please pick up your money, totaling at US$44billion. Failure to do so within the next several centuries will result in the acquisition of the said funds by the Weyrean Board of Estimates.

Sincerely,
Velanda Omani, head of the Int'l Accounting Division
The Water Cooler
23-08-2004, 09:12
Obviously I haven't gone through all two hundred ninety-three thousand pages of hits...

And why on earth not?

-Yours,
Ministry of Oversight.
Knootoss
23-08-2004, 15:27
To:
-Lady Sirithil nos Fëanor, Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar and High Queen and Lady-Protector of Elvenkind
-Imperial President, D’ron Christopher Smith of Sentient Peoples
From: Lady Galadriël Táralóm nos Círdan, Prime Minister of Knootoss

Dear Friends,

I would like to extend my apologies, first of all, for having to write you again on such a short notice. It is not my intention to impose myself upon your time. Instead I only wish to offer some advice in important matters as well as making the point of view of the DDR clear. Again, a personal word of thanks to the Sentient Peoples is in place. You have made the right decision in recent territorial disputes over the lands formerly held by the United States of Allanea. Also, I’d like to thank Lady Sirithil for her support of my foreign ministers appeal in this regard. It is most welcome.

It has come to my attention that both the Eternal Noldorin Empire and the Federation wish to see Allanea independent once again at some point in the future, and this would only seem fair when the principles of self-determination are taken into account. Of course, even within a protectorate or commonwealth scheme territories can have significant independence such as we have arranged with Knootian Colombia and Ale-Yarok. However this is primarily a matter of concern for the Federation. My current letter deals with a more immediate concern: Alexander Kazansky who has set up a “government in exile” in the Eternal Noldorin Empire. Presumably, he is working with the FSP and indeed he is yet to call for open resistance against it.

However, I am deeply worried by the prospect of Kazansky, of all men, being the future of Allanea. This is the man who has condemned countless millions of his own and of other nations to death because of his naked imperialism on many occasions. This is the man who refused to surrender his nation intact in the face of insurmountable odds, not until nothing was left to surrender and all of his powerbase was completely and utterly destroyed. He is the man who chose to sent troops instead to his northern neighbours in a last ditch attempt to retain control and in another war murdered Knootians and millions of Haven inhabitants defending their allies in a reckless and unprovoked invasion. He has shown not even the most casual regard for the sentient life of the mortals who serve him. Is he the man who is supposed to learn the lessons Zero-One has tried to teach the Allaneans and apply them in a bright new future?

Even today, the spirit of Kazansky stands unbroken. His so-called ‘special interest group’ is proclaimed to be the government–in-exile, its bank account is called the Allanean national budget and its ‘President’ is issuing a State of The Union Address. Such arrogant presumption, contrary to the state of affairs as professed by the surrender documents, can only serve to reinforce the idea that Kazansky still has a legitimate claim to Allanean leadership both in the eyes of the Allanean people and the international community. In this light, Menelmacari support is worrying.

I deeply fear that his support for the Federation of Sentient Peoples is only a temporary pragmatic measure, to be revoked as soon as he feels that Allanea is again strong enough to be led by him independently. His first address does not bode well. The aiding Federation troops are referred to as ‘jackbooted storm troopers’. He urges the Allanean people to hide guns instead of giving them up and selling them as part of the FSP programme. His attitude, directly after the tragedy that happened to his nation, is one of defiance and control; not one of remorse. He and his henchmen have taken no responsibility whatsoever for what has happened nor do they seem humbled or shamed by it. No apologies. No reflection. No lessons learned.

It is the opinion of the DDR government, as well as a strong personal wish of mine, that the Kazansky chapter in the Allanean history books is closed permanently. I am stumped why Lady Sirithil, whom I know as one of the wisest if not the mightiest of elves, has chosen to even passively support an eventual restoration of worldy power to this pseudo-dictator “president for life” whom we all have come to known as a madman. Even if such support is limited for as long as Kazansky is perceived to be working against FSP interests, why not elect to guide a new and more rational Allanean leadership to eventually take the place of the Federation. Why not recruit from a new and mature people instead of retaining this relic of a mad past?

If the madman is returned to Allanea he could once more pose a sizable threat to the interests of our nations and the peace in the region. Edölian intrigues do not pose well for Allaneas future. If we are truly to be the ones to shape a brave new world, should we not use the proper tools for the job? I hope to share thoughts with you on the matter, and hope that this exchange can take place in the spirit of friendship and common interests.

Yours,

Galadriël
Prime Minister of the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss
Allanea
23-08-2004, 17:26
The Allanean Government: A Description

[I]These days, after the unlawful aggression of the Martian nations against the United States of Allanea, the Allanean Government – aka the Allanean Government in Exile – resides in Vinyatirion, Menelmacar. It is contained in a single 120-story building which overlooks the warehouses containing Allaneas massive array of weaponry. The building is guarded by Allanean Ted Nugent Warbikers (or, in other words, fourty well-trained guys with semi-auto AR-15’s rechambered in 6.5mm Grendel, for those interested in such detail). It contains not only government officials per se, but also several major heads of industry. Kirill Nivensky of Allanean Arms, Dagny Taggart of Taggart Transcontinental, and Midas Mulligan of Mulligan Bank all make this their home. The key floors/rooms of the offices of the Allanean Government in Exile are listed below:

The Presidential Office

The top two floors of the building are the office of Alexander Kazansky, Allanean President for Life. They contained every communications device known to man, from CB radios to subspace transcievers. Kazansky uses no secretaries or bodyguards.


The Cabinet Rooms

Floor 110, containing offices of the various Allanean cabinet members and the VP.

Congress/Senate/SCOTUS

Floors 90 and 91, respectively, contain the halls of the Congress and Senate of Allanea, and floor 93 houses the United States Supreme Court. All three function, pass laws and issue rulings as if nothing happened.

The offices of the National Rifle Association of Allanea and the major Allanean political parties are also in the building.

Under the building there is a three-level parking lot, but the lowest level of that has been blocked off by a large steel door, which strangely only opens from the outside.
Menelmacar
23-08-2004, 17:48
OOC: How are you paying for this? :p
Allanea
23-08-2004, 17:59
OOC: We have turned over our entire gold reserve to you, no? Besdes the 144 billion in donations we received in the last 24 hours?
Menelmacar
23-08-2004, 18:01
Righto.
Sentient Peoples
23-08-2004, 18:05
OOC: Seeing as I'm trying to keep the Allanea situation contained to not spreading over a bazillion threads, response is here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6854556#post6854556
Zero-One
23-08-2004, 19:35
(OOC: Yeah... the bajillion threads are getting annoying.)

The usual auditorium in the usual organic-habitation centers on Rhea is just as spotlessly clean as usual. While as old as Rhean Zero-One itself, the organic section looks almost unallowably clean and new, but not from tidiness. It looks like it is almost never used. This isn't surprising that barring a few ambassadors, the occasional tourist, and some reporters, it isn't. Everything is coldly ultramodern, comfortable yet almost soulessly sleek. Standing behind the podium and beside a S.H.O.D.A.N. humaniform avatar is a massive Security-2 combat robot, painted jet black, acting as a shell for some fleet-mind in orbit or beyond. It quickly introduces itself as "the heavy cruiser White I.C.E." and needlessly shuffles some useless papers on the podium with its three-fingered battle-claws, partially out of a chosen habit and partially out of tradition. Looking up with its unblinking optical array, it begins in a quiet, unassuming, yet firmly assertive synthesized voice, androgynous as most Zero-One voices are.

"At XXXX time on DD MONTH YYYY, Queendom Armed Conflict Force assets over Mars detected the presence of a covertly-installed Allanean base in direct violation of the North Polar Exclusionary Zone as set up by the Martian Duma. This was rather surprising, as the Allanean declaration of instantaneously owning land on Mars was unversally denied and disparaged by all Martian powers great and small. After our legal colonization of Sirenum, we established ourselves as the Duma's enforcers over the North Pole as part of our Good Neighbor program. As such, Allanean violation of the North Polar Exclusionary Zone was utterly unacceptable, as they had been warned in the past and had failed to run our blockades previous to this incident.

"The offending Allanean colony was warned, especially in that the territory they 'claimed' was legally apportioned by the Martian Duma to Northwest Liang. The Martian Defense Fleet dropped Security-2 ground forces to indicate that we were indeed not bluffing. Our requests to surrender peacefully were rebuffed, and so we proceeded to make good on our promise to evict them forcibly. The Allanean Stellar Navy arrived and, in its attempts to engage us, indicated itself as a hostile combatant force and was likewise eliminated. In the fighting against them the organic population of Sirenum sent their own vessels and lost lost fifteen of their warriors, a sacrifice for which we will always be appreciative of.

"Analyzing Allanean patterns, we realized that simply passively acting as a Martian shield would simply result in the former United States of Allanea 'procuring' more equipment and trying repeatedly. Thus, the fleet-minds at QACF Headquarters determined that proactive use of force was necessary to prevent such an occurence. We immediately deployed a task force to engage Allanean aerospace assets; they denied our surrender again and were thusly eliminated. Given that they still refused surrender and were eager to destroy themselves with almost rampant zeal, we initiated a plan to eliminate their technological, military, and industrial bases to remove any possibility of them becoming a threat to Queendom or world interests ever again. That is why the Allaean Pacification Action consisted of complete dismantling of all Allanean military, transportation, industrial, and economic facilities using repeated surgical strikes with minimal casualties. Most usual projections for Space Age-to-Iron Age capability reduction require civilian losses usually far above fifty percent of the population; we were able to do this at a cost of a less than zero-point-zero-zero-four percent loss. Their economic-agriculture of cotton and hemp was eliminated using infertile gengineered locusts, which have since died off completely. We assure you that we made every effort to spare civilian populations from death an starvation--their sustenance-agriculture remains intact.

"Probability projections indicated that they would only surrender once our action was completed; this turned out to actually be the case. Their surrender was accepted via verbal voice-print of their authority at the time and so we disengaged and left. That agreement is currently undergoing renegotiation with the new authority in Allanea, the Federation of Sentient Peoples."

"With that being said, I am willing to field questions on the military aspects of the Action while Queen S.H.O.D.A.N. is present to take questions concerning diplomacy or other civilian policy."
Teritora
23-08-2004, 20:07
Hmm, that is interesting but the probability of such an attack working again is unlikely. You can't win a war by attacks from Air and Space along against a determined enemy. The Tordorans for example have proved that repeatedly time and again against the IDI (International Defense Initiative). How did you mange to do that especially inside cities? The chances of killing so few in such massive attacks seem astronomical. Also with the destruction of the Transportation system doesn’t that mean it will be diffcult at best to transport the food from the countryside to the cities, such an thing could mean that an great deal of the population stands an chance of starving to death not mention what will happen when winter comes and the fact that you wiped out the jobs of the population. That is likely to cause more trouble. People with little to nothing to lose are extremely dangerious.
The Ctan
23-08-2004, 20:08
He is a maiar who has shown not even the most casual regard for the sentient life of the mortals who serve him.

OOC: It's unlikely that she'd know of this, it's also unlikely that he would actually be a Maia too, but still.
Gawdly
23-08-2004, 20:10
From the Desk of Darius Steele
Chairman
Heroes for Hire

After observing the actions upon the people of Allanea, we can no longer stand by and watch as a proud, independant race become subjugated yet again by massive powers beyond their ken. Despite the "criminal" actions of their leaders, the people of Allanea are innocents, and should not suffer the horrors being imposed on them.

We offer any aid we can, to provide relief to the refugees of war who remain in Allanea. We open our borders to their people, if a safe haven is needed. We will provide the legal expertise and funding as needed, to repatriate Allanean holdings and business interests. We have 2 continents that are unseeded on our planet, and we would be willing to discuss providing a temporary refugee camp there, for all Allaneans.

We do not do this to incur the wrath of the Nations who have gone to war with Allanea, seemingly with good reason: we do this because SOMEONE must protect those who cannot protect themselves.

WE cannot aid you militarily, for violence has brought this situation to where it is today. We CAN offer you a peaceful haven with us, away from the dogs of war, where you can rebuild for the future. The crimes of the Father should not rest on the shoulders of the Children.
Knootoss
23-08-2004, 22:08
OOC: It's unlikely that she'd know of this, it's also unlikely that he would actually be a Maia too, but still.
fine fine... just read Siris post. I'll bloody edit. Along with the girlscouts who supposedly went elsewhere.

Fact remains: he is an evil man. :p
Zero-One
23-08-2004, 22:42
Hmm, that is interesting but the probability of such an attack working again is unlikely. You can't win a war by attacks from Air and Space along against a determined enemy. The Tordorans for example have proved that repeatedly time and again against the IDI (International Defense Initiative). How did you mange to do that especially inside cities? The chances of killing so few in such massive attacks seem astronomical. Also with the destruction of the Transportation system doesn’t that mean it will be diffcult at best to transport the food from the countryside to the cities, such an thing could mean that an great deal of the population stands an chance of starving to death not mention what will happen when winter comes and the fact that you wiped out the jobs of the population. That is likely to cause more trouble. People with little to nothing to lose are extremely dangerious.
White I.C.E. listens patiently, but cants its head occasionally during the Teritorian's wandering half-question half-lecture. "We are well aware of standard combined-arms doctrine, and we used it when it was appropriate. Our objective on Mars was to remove Allanean presence without harming the nearby assets of Northwest Liang. Thusly, ground forces were deployed there. The objective for Allanea proper was to make it non-threatening to us and to others. Certainly people with nothing to lose are dangerous, but somewhat less so if they have naught but sticks and stones to arm themselves with. The complete assault on their entire infrastructure ensures that they cannot supply or maintain any sort of sizeable armed force of any kind. Primarily, this prevents them from having the expendable income to create any sort of space force, which prevents them from being a threat to us.

"I believe your difficulty in understanding the effectiveness in our strategy comes from the common misconception that orbital bombardment must be scorched-earth in nature, the complete destruction of cities. As the mass and velocity of a kinetic projectile can be controlled, damage can be scaled to anywhere from the multimegaton explosions that are so common in literature and the public mind all the way down to energy yields no greater than conventional bombs as would be carried by small airplanes. As our targets were not locations, but buildings, bridges... there was no need for scorched-earth tactics. There are many historical precedents of precision munitions being used to level one building and leave another intact.

"The choice of targets is also a major factor. Oil refineries, smelters, factories, and warehouses have relatively low civilian density, especially when compared to dense mercantile land usage such as sky scrapers. Targets such as computer centers, bridges, and transformers, have no civilians whatsoever. With the complete destruction of manufacturing strength, coupled with the elimination of the capability to move goods about, the mostly smoke-and-mirrors nature of Allanea's mercantile strength predictably self-destructed. As such, those buildings did not require targeting.

"The fact that many Allanean jobs are now meaningless is irrelevant. They can become farmers, potters, or any such thing that their new resource and technology level permits. We offered assistance in food production and transfer, but we have not heard a response concerning that."

The S.H.O.D.A.N. avatar steps up and speaks in her low, feminine voice. "There has also been much talk as of late that their surrender is non-binding as the great Kazansky did not accept it. We beg to differ. Kazansky was hiding, and is still hiding, in comfort in Menelmacar. The Allanean authority who agreed to the surrender was the de facto leader of the nation and thus the surrender is binding. An army may surrender in the field even if the general's superior orders him to fight to the last man. The general's superior can make a statement that the general's surrender is non-binding, but in the realities of warfare and international relations that statement will be ignored. Any fool may spout any idiocy he pleases. That does not mean that more rational polities and powers have to pay it any mind.

"On the topic of Kazansky, I and the Queendom find it severely odd that Lady Sirithil would harbor an openly proud and self-admitted disciple of Morgoth in her lands. While we cannot decide the Eternal Empire's policy for itself, we can still state that we find that highly illogical, especially now that the Federation of Sentient Peoples has stated that the so-called 'government-in-exile' are tantamount to traitors of the Federation."
Teritora
23-08-2004, 23:05
Well the Allaneans aren't the Tordorans that is for sure, otherwise they'd still have guns, weapons and other miltary equipment and would be waging guerrilla warfare which your method doesn't really deal with as far as I can see. Also there are ways to get around arial attacks. Still I think your method worked mainly because the Allaneans did not really have the will to fight on apon their own soil. But I guess what matters is that is worked this time, but once an method has been used others work to counter it. I wonder though what steps have been taken to prevent the Allaneans from later taking to the hills so to speak and start forming guerrilla bands loyal to the so called exiled government or just to drive out the Federation and anyone else out?

Also I wasn't aware that Allanea even had an much of an economy after they turned themselves into an Economy Pariah, even after the Boycott ended, there was still those who refused to accept Allanean Currrency like those Mega Corporations out of Zerni and the Tordorans who never ended their boycott of Allanean goods.
Zero-One
23-08-2004, 23:47
Well the Allaneans aren't the Tordorans that is for sure, otherwise they'd still have guns, weapons and other miltary equipment and would be waging guerrilla warfare which your method doesn't really deal with as far as I can see. Also there are ways to get around arial attacks. Still I think your method worked mainly because the Allaneans did not really have the will to fight on apon their own soil. But I guess what matters is that is worked this time, but once an method has been used others work to counter it. I wonder though what steps have been taken to prevent the Allaneans from later taking to the hills so to speak and start forming guerrilla bands loyal to the so called exiled government or just to drive out the Federation and anyone else out?

Also I wasn't aware that Allanea even had an much of an economy after they turned themselves into an Economy Pariah, even after the Boycott ended, there was still those who refused to accept Allanean Currrency like those Mega Corporations out of Zerni and the Tordorans who never ended their boycott of Allanean goods.
White I.C.E. chuckles softly. "Unless they can carry equipment that fires one and a half billion kilometers straight up... again, you seem unaware of the situation. We had no desire to occupy Allanea, so we did not. As for the guerilla bands... the Federation has already drawn and laid out the carpet-bombing card. They are probably more than willing to play it if need be."

S.H.O.D.A.N. adds a small bit. "That, and economic strength comes in two forms--market strength, which are as much appearance as reality, and production, which is arguably more real. Their economy had the appearance of being weak. We simply made reality match it."
Forum Feline
24-08-2004, 00:14
"Well, that's it. As long as the Allanean people heed Kazansky's words, then the war has been waged with apocalyptic finality." said Boostei over a cup of very heavily caffinated catnip tea. "So... what now?"

Gathered around him were twenty-two of his close advisors, some with official positions, some not, but all intensely loyal to the Cat Party and the Boostei Administration. The "Boostei Boosters," as they were known, had been with him all along his rise to prominance. Some of them were with him even from his

"I suggest we just leave the fucking situation alone." said Paul Dein, who held no official position, but had been a strong advisor to Boostei from the beginning.

"But we can't hang anyone out to dry- even those bastards over in Allanea. That's just not the option that would, you know, make any bloody sense." commented Tima Poena, the Environmental Minister.

"I say we fund some sort of armed rebellion that's bound to come up. We win the favor of the Allanean people, and as Tima said in other words, we don't leave any fuckers without a condom." said Director Poansa, of the country's intelligence service.

"Nice metaphor, but we need to tread lightly. If most of the Allanean people are against a rebellion... well, then your condom springs a leak and we wind up knocked up. I suggest we offer financial aid in rebuilding Allanea, and move from there." said Jason Warnta, the Prime Minister and Boostei's best friend since childhood.

Boostei nodded, pointed, and said, "That's how it will work."

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The Democratic Arcologies of Feline offers whatever help, plus a starting aid package of $1,000,000,000, to Allanea in its efforts to rebuild.