NationStates Jolt Archive

Sketch, after seeing me render Gothmog, asked if I could DoGA up a ship for him. He basically wanted a Homeworld battlecruiser with no bridge and more OMG GUNS. I thought for a moment, and...

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/compyart/sketchship.jpg

Heads up, people: I did Gothmog 'cause I felt like it. Melk never asked; I just sorta dropped it on him. While it would be nice for me to do lots of spacedyships on commission for people whose opinion of me range from "moderate" to "I will see that bastard laid out cold with my knife in his liver," I really don't have the time or inclination to do so.

He did mention that he's not too good with DoGA. Well, neither are a lot of people, like Kyzyl-Orda or Xanthal; that doesn't stop them from trying. With a bit of practice, it's a simple enough program to make decent things out of (just look at Sunset, Kajal, of course Reploid Productions, etc. etc. etc.).

So, yeah. Go here (http://www.doga.co.jp/english/), download this program, and make your own bloody ships, or hit Google Image Search and rip off Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Andromeda, Raumpatroulle Orion... whatever. They'll mean more that way or something.

Hear! Hear! Make your own damn ships! Oh..........wait........nobody look at any of my storefronts

OMG 5m4LL Ch1l|) 1n t3H 5p4c35h1p = t3h m4j0r p41nzz0rz

DoGa is damn fun to use... Make ships, make animation...its the reason I had to do all 40 of my driver's ed articles in one night...

w00t for Scolo and the good ship USS C4rB04RD b0xX0rZ

lol

blah well, if you can't do it you can't do it. ;) :fluffle:

*yawn* What a good reason to start a whole new thread to insult other players, because they use pictures they have not made by themselves to represent their ships. Ofcourse, let us dismiss the fact that they create everything else but the image. Does the fact that one uses an image that is not his own creation somehow mean that the person has zero inventiveness or creativity?

Heck, if your ships are bloody cheese wedges of doom, why couldnt you use the image of a Star Destroyer if thats an accurate representation of your idea of the ships your nation uses?

Quitd frankly, i find this entire thread to be both pointless and childish. Create your own ships if you want, but dont verbally attack other players because they consider the designs of others to be both cooler and better in terms of quality than their own creations. Its a really simple matter, some really dont have 3D modelling skills worth a damn, i for one am included in that group. So i rather write and invent the description, stats etc. than start pointlessly attempting to create something that wont be what i want it to be.

He wasn't really insulting people...just saying how he doesn't want people to ask him to make ships for them.

Exactly, Agrigento. I don't care what people do--it isn't my problem--but as I said I've neither the time nor inclination to make up for others shortcomings. That gives them two options--improve their skills or just yoink pictures from elsewhere. No assessment of value (good or bad) assigned, just the truth. And best of all, it doesn't have people who wouldn't necessarily give a flying mammal's posterior about me otherwise drowning me in requests to do things for them just because it gives me a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling in the deepest depths of my cold heart.

Hmm well I could buy that, but how come if you don't have time to spend making ships for people, you do have time to make pictures making fun of people who ask you to make ships for them? I mean that looked like it took time, maybe as much time as a Doga ship itself.

And were you really getting drowned in requests? If so why single Sketch out? I think maybe you have ongoing, general issues with Sketch and some others as well, and that this whole thing is just resulting mostly from that.

Once again, I really don't see him insulting anyone. He is just saying how he refuses to make ships for anyone, in a really funny way. He barely even mentions Sketch in the text.

I think he only used Sketch's name to support the statement he made about nations who he isn't even on friendly terms with asking him to do a favor for them.

*yawn* <bitchwhineangst>


If you're going to be snippy, at least read what you're griping about, boyo.

So, yeah. Go here, download this program, and make your own bloody ships, or hit Google Image Search and rip off Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Andromeda, Raumpatroulle Orion... whatever. They'll mean more that way or something.

Where does he even once claim to be 'better' than those who borrow images, or say making your own is the only way to be credible? And Santa Barbara ... please. Either you know nothing of Photoshop and Doga, or you've never really toyed with them enough to know how much time does or does not go into something. Besides, if anyone has 'ongoing issues', I'd look to yourself and several others, and in the meantime, develop a sense of humor.

Who knows - faces have been known to smile without cracking every now and then. ;)

Web search and photochop combined? Oh, ten minutes at most.

Ten minutes spent on preventing me from being inundated with requests that would take hours or more if I wanted to do a good job (and I usually try to).

And were you really getting drowned in requests?
Heh. Not on the forums, admittedly... PMs on IRC and telegrams, on the other hand...

Hmm. Well Nathi, I have used photoshop and Doga both, and I guess it depends on your method, but in Doga at least I usually have textures and basic pieces saved, plus photoshop runs really crappily on my computer.

But I haven't been on IRC much to see any requests so I concede the point.

And hey, I've got a great sense of humor! Though it doesn't come across in text. And, no, I don't have issues with Scolo. Or looking at it another way I have no more issues with him than anyone else, I mean look at the arguments me and Clairmont or SB have had in the past. Doesn't mean it's personal.

You had enough time to photoshop that image but not render one ship for Sketch?...

You had enough time to photoshop that image but not render one ship for Sketch?...


Err look, That'd take like 10 minutes as Scolo says, a decent ship that Scolo would do? I'd give it around 2 hours...
Heck I made my own decent ship today and it took me a good hour and a half, simply because when you do a good job there is an awful amount of tweaking etc. needed, untill it looks right.

Photoshop=!=DoGA.

I want 10,000 of those Sketch ships. The rubber chickens for payment will be wired.

Exactly, Agrigento. I don't care what people do--it isn't my problem--but as I said I've neither the time nor inclination to make up for others shortcomings. That gives them two options--improve their skills or just yoink pictures from elsewhere. No assessment of value (good or bad) assigned, just the truth. And best of all, it doesn't have people who wouldn't necessarily give a flying mammal's posterior about me otherwise drowning me in requests to do things for them just because it gives me a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling in the deepest depths of my cold heart.

Hahhahhahaha! This is hilarious. I really am amazed that someone can think that the image you made is not insulting. What exactly is wrong in using the skills one has instead of attempting to gain skills he doesnt have, thus wasting time (which can possibly be completely useless in the end) and thus try to divert from what one does well to try and do something that one cant do.

And really, you claim you are drowned in requests and truly you decide to single out Sketch and specifically insult him :rolleyes: It really would have been impossible to make a general thread about suggesting people to make their own ships instead of a childish insult?


If you're going to be snippy, at least read what you're griping about, boyo.

"Let us translate a completely valid argument into something that it isnt" Nice quotation, it truly is impossible to quote the truth instead of warping my point into something it isnt? I read his post, and could you point out to me how the picture he posted isnt insulting?

Where does he even once claim to be 'better' than those who borrow images, or say making your own is the only way to be credible? And Santa Barbara ... please. Either you know nothing of Photoshop and Doga, or you've never really toyed with them enough to know how much time does or does not go into something. Besides, if anyone has 'ongoing issues', I'd look to yourself and several others, and in the meantime, develop a sense of humor.

Funny, where did i say anything about him claiming to be better than those who borrow images? My quarrel was with his insulting of Sketch and the following statements of accusing others of "ripping off" known sci-fi franchises. Dunno, where does he claim that credibility comes from creating your own ships? Could it be where he accuses everyone who borrows images of ripping off franchises? Well, not exactly but certainly hints that way. Yeah, a sense of humor does somehow change the fact that this is publicly insulting a player and picking that said player off from the enormous mass of other players, and the claimed mass of other requests, well it doesnt change that fact.


Anyways, as some of you say here, it takes propably atleast 2 hours to make a decent quality ship, considering how much content i for one have on my site, trying to do images for those all would take insane amounts of time, and thus take the time i would rather use in doing what is more important than the visual of the content, and that is the description/statistics.

Some people have no sense of humour.

Some people have no sense of humour.

How is publicly insulting another player and some people seeing that as the insult it is, a sign of not having a sense of humour?

If Sketch shows up and says he was publicly insulted, it's a different thing. For YOU to show up and decide if someone else was publicly insulted......is.......just......meh.

I love seeing how some people take it upon themselves to 'crusade' for others when frankly, it's none of their business. Honestly now. Perhaps if this were directed at Clairmont, I could see him getting his knickers in such a twist, but as it is ... he ends up looking like a shrieking ninny. "OH GOD! SOMEONE HAS BEEN PARODIED! IT IS A MORTAL SIN! LOOK ON, YE MASSES, AND CONDEMN!"

Methinks the lad doth protest too much. Not quite as secure in his statwank and ripoffs as he claims, perchance? Hmmmmmm ...

Give me a break. Besides, if Sketch has half the sense of humor I've seen him display elsewhere and in talking with him over IRC, he'll take a look at this and laugh it off with the rest of us.

And then I'll laugh at Clairmont all the harder. :D

You had enough time to photoshop that image but not render one ship for Sketch?...

Err look, That'd take like 10 minutes as Scolo says, a decent ship that Scolo would do? I'd give it around 2 hours...
Heck I made my own decent ship today and it took me a good hour and a half, simply because when you do a good job there is an awful amount of tweaking etc. needed, untill it looks right.

Photoshop=!=DoGA.

Just to drop my two cents in as the resident Doga guru, Scolo and Kyzyl both have it right. Sure you can throw something together in ten minutes in Doga. Odds are it'll look like crap though.

Like anything else- the better you want something to look, the more time you have to spend on it. A quick, low-quality photochop- ten minutes. A good quality spacedy ship (or anything else in Doga)- anywhere from two hours to two weeks, depending on the design and level of detail. (For instance, the Mk-1 Arwing/Elite Victory fighter I did in Doga- couple of hours to build. The Mk-III Arwing/Elite Victory fighter with full cockpit console and lots of other detail- several days to build. A complex transforming anime-style mecha- two months to build.)

Just my two cents.

Err look, That'd take like 10 minutes as Scolo says, a decent ship that Scolo would do? I'd give it around 2 hours...
Heck I made my own decent ship today and it took me a good hour and a half, simply because when you do a good job there is an awful amount of tweaking etc. needed, untill it looks right.

Photoshop=!=DoGA.Try longer. A good Doga project can span days. (Many hours initially, plus further hours tweaking.)

How is publicly insulting another player and some people seeing that as the insult it is, a sign of not having a sense of humour?
Please, many of us have exchanged far harsher insults and jests over IRC than a cardboard box.

I think Sketch has a higher tolerance for this than you give him credit for.

Clairmont, you're getting all worked up over something you haven't an inkling of a clue about. As I recall the chain of events, Scolopendra got inspired and did a rendering of one of Melkor's ships. Given that Scolopendra and Melkor aren't known to be the closest of friends, this caught more than a few people by surprise. Scolopendra did it for his own enjoyment, and it just happened to benefit Melkor. The fact that he's awfully talented with Doga helps.

Now everybody who never had a kind word for Scolopendra is suddenly cozying up to him to ask for ship renderings. "I want this, only better." He's just put the community on notice that he's not going to kill himself to be kind to people who are seeking to take advantage of his good nature. The fact that Sketch asked for such a favor and is infamous for his cardboard fleets made him a target.

Don't like it? That's your problem. As has already been eloquently pointed out to you, there's no need for you to fight other peoples' battles for them, especially when they're fully capable of defending themselves if they so choose.

Um. :rolleyes:

( I think there's more than a fair bit of 'crusading,' if championing causes that have nothing to do with oneself qualifies as such, is going on here as multiple people make the same points both in defense of others. On both sides. And I'm seeing barbs I never knew some of you had. Ouch! )

Anyway, all this talk about Doga means that later today I will be getting a timer and Doga and try to crank out ships in 10 minutes and I'll post them somewhere to see if they look crappy or not. (Of course, people may consider my Doga ships to look crappy regardless, so this is hardly scientific... Im just curious.)

Actually, doing a 10 minute ship is a good excercise. Stretches those creativity muscles and lets your mind try something new with no long term commitement. A lot of my better stuff has been doga-doodles that have taken off in an unexpected direction, and some of my more mediocre stuff has been 'planned' designs that were essentially going through the motions.

*climbs in the c4r|)b04r|) 5h1pz0rz and flies around with Sketch*

0M6 1 4M L31K T3H 4|)|<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

>_>

That was funny...*goes and downloads Doga for no appearent reason*

Well...having hand-drawn sketches on notebook paper just isn't good enough for some people >_>

I could bitch and whine about how it's unfair to sketch and blah blah blah... but to be honest I loved the picture and Sketch hasn't really commented to take it personally himself.

Slaglands did it all the time and in a sense so does Wombat News... I like it so meh... nice picture Scolo.

everyone needs to realize that everything is not ToY vs. OotS

everyone needs to realize that everything is not ToY vs. OotS

Or ToY vs Arda, or ToY vs NDA or ToY vs GDODAD...
:rolleyes:

Well, Sketch is a big boy and can take of himself. I'll just say this though; if Sketch did really ask you, Scolo, to render an image and it was a genuine request, the best course of action on your part would be to politely telegram him with a refusal.

After all, if I asked someone for a favour and they turned it around and did what you did - well...

Makes me feel like I should start charging people for all the uncredited crap I do for them lol

Ok, perhaps i went at it a bit too seriously. Mainly because the thing felt insulting to me (must be those flaming bastards on other forums that get me on the edge so easilly). And secondly because i felt like bashing someone :D

Nathicana: Umm, so pointing out that something is insulting is in your opinion crusading? How curious. Is it really such an alien concept for you for one to voice his feelings on the content of the Opening Post?

Statwank and Rip-off eh? I guess you've never actually even seen my site so i wont even bother to start arguing with you about that. Its REALLY hilarious because you dont have a clue what i have written and what i have and your first course of action is to call it statwank. Heh, how original of you. And BTW, someone has yet to point out to me when borrowing images became a crime.

Treznor: I have a clue whats this about, my problem was with taking one specific person as a target from that entire mass, where a generalized post would have worked just as well. And battling for other people? Not at all, just voicing my opinion of the matter. Did that become a crime at some point?

And BTW, someone has yet to point out to me when borrowing images became a crime.

I dunno... sometime around when they first wrote copyright law?

The Sketchian Admiralty is proud to present the latest in space weaponary - the "OMG L33TZ0RZ H4X0RZ UB3R SH!P '0 D00M!!!!!11111shift1"

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/compyart/sketchship.jpg

Although the always quick to be proud scientist of the elite "wicked smart" spacedy thinktank claimed to have developed this all on their own, rumour has it that the plans were actually scrouged from a trash barrel located in a kindergarten class within the Federated Segements of Scolopendra. No further comments were available from the military research division regarding this line of inquiry.

The armaments to this impressive vessel of OMG D00M!!!! include a small child for HARDCORE! factor, whom you headbutt when you wish to gain extra HARDCORE! points, which render you temporarily invisible/invincible/impervious along with a variety of other useful traits too plentiful to add.

Also, the lightweight material used to constructed this capital class ship allow unprecendented maneuverability and acceleration, allowing it to easily outclass any past, current, and future ship designs.

These factors, coupled with the low low price of only one (1) arbitrary credit for an infinite number of vessels easily make this the most effective fighting weapon ever conceived or to be conceived.

The Holy Order of Sketch is forever indebted to the Federated Segements of Scolopendra. From this day forth, the date which we received this mighty vessel shall be named Centipede day, and all subjects of Sketch shall prostrate themselves before an idol of the glorious Centipede. ALL HAIL THE CENTIPEDE!

<snip>

LOL! :D I'd say that just brought the entire arguement screeching to a halt like a compact car meeting an 18-wheeler =p

Bravo!

Now for the obligatory responses (because I getting prodded from all sides to go ahead and defend my honor :rolleyes: )

I'm only gonna do this once.

Stop crusading for me or against me. I'm a big boy, but I still don't need any extra people there to chop my legs out from underneath me.

Nathi: I *do* have a sense of humor, I'm suprised anyone's noticed. Unfortunately, its rarely reciprocated.

Trez: "infamous cardboard fleets" eh? I know I dominate the forrestry, publishing, and generally everything else industry, but I don't see a fleet anywhere around me. Much less a cardboard one. Care to state for the record when was the last time I mentioned having an OMG! amassed armada of bajillion ships? Infact, care to also state for the record the last when a good majority of the "good" RPers had "rather large" fleets? Not that I'm implying that I might possible be a good RPer, because I'm not. I suck, I can't RP worth a damn.

Agrigento: you are indeed correct that I am barely mentioned in the text of Scolo's supremely witty and well written post. Which is why I wonder why you and everyone else automatically assume that this post was an insult directed at me.

And finally, a rant about life in general.....

Ever wonder why bad guy never wins? Not me, I always assume that they choose the wrong role to begin with.

ooc
I ALWAYS KNEW THOSE CARDBOARD BOXES DOWNSTAIRS WRE USEFUL!!!
*starts making ships of them to conquer the unverse and plays with them*
"and this one's a carrier, and this one's a battleship, and... where's this one come from?"

I personally am offended that Clairmont and Sketch mentioned those OTHERS in the defences but left me entirely out. Was I not inflammatory enough to be acknowledged? Next time the gloves are OFF, and I'm talking about your mommas!

Agrigento: you are indeed correct that I am barely mentioned in the text of Scolo's supremely witty and well written post. Which is why I wonder why you and everyone else automatically assume that this post was an insult directed at me.

Hey...I didn't assume that all, I was defending Scolo the entire time...read my posts please, before you make a blanket statement.


Once again, I really don't see him insulting anyone. He is just saying how he refuses to make ships for anyone, in a really funny way. He barely even mentions Sketch in the text.

I think he only used Sketch's name to support the statement he made about nations who he isn't even on friendly terms with asking him to do a favor for them.

That is the exact opposite of what I wrote.