NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes, I'm back to my old mapping tricks again. Many of the older space nations will remember that I created the very first Nationstates space map back in September 2003, which grew to having over fifty nations and two hundred systems mapped. Indeed, some nations started off in space after seeing that thread; examples like Klonor, and Indra Prime come to mind. These are now your space giants. Klonor is famous for his Galactic Alliance, which though failed, was the largest space alliance ever to grace Nationstates. I created the ESUS constitution not long before it perished, forseeing its end. However, I let it stagnate, and Indra Prime helped me build it back up into the current largest intersolar space alliance on Nationstates.

I have mapped the ESUS territories, but my map has plenty more space to assign. I'm calling on all space nations to point out their general location on my map and the number of systems in their space. Claims of entire galaxies will be ignored.

My map can be viewed here: http://www.illspirit.co.uk/newmap.jpg

It has a 0.6MB JPG, measuring 3000x3000 pixels, so on dialup it will take a long time to load.

Thank you for your attention.

The Palladian Technate has three inhabited solar systems (Eness, New Pallas, Shertaeth). The center of our territory is located 22 lightyears from Earth in the general direction of the galactic core.

How big is each square on your map? Palladian space would probably be somewhere between Sol and The Mindset, but if that's too tight, I don't know.

Each square measures approximately 200 lightyears.

Nice map, put in the Highly Autocratic Empire of Kyzyl-Orda around 30 light years or so from earth, single system and a bit of space around it, 3 planets.

Thank you.

[agent glasses] That information is classified. Suffice to say that we find the concept of borders in interstellar space to be foolish at best.

-- Hearty Aerospace Pirate Cap'n Scolo

...we find the concept of borders in interstellar space to be foolish at best.
Heh, yeah, that is a little weird.
Still, The Mindset, if you can squeeze me in there somewhere, please do so. Though I get the feeling that I'm too small and insignificant to show up on that map. ;)

And Im about to claim just about everything around the "Dead Zone" that isnt allready taken by Kanuckistan. So hold a spot for me will ya? :P

Naturally this map is OOC in its entirety. Scolopendra, of course it's weird. It'e near impossible to represent 3D space on a 2D map, however, it does provide a useful method of checking where you are relative to enemies or allies in times of war.

And Im about to claim just about everything around the "Dead Zone" that isnt allready taken by Kanuckistan. So hold a spot for me will ya? :P


Mehh... I'm a little reluctant to accept people simply "claiming" space. That happened to my old map, people just claimed swathes of systems then had no chance of defending them. You do realise that the center of the galaxy has the largest concentration of stars, and hence will be the hardest the defend?

Mehh... I'm a little reluctant to accept people simply "claiming" space. That happened to my old map, people just claimed swathes of systems then had no chance of defending them. You do realise that the center of the galaxy has the largest concentration of stars, and hence will be the hardest the defend?

Well, I am RPing it atm. So Im not simply "claiming" it. And yes, it will be the hardest to defend. But I have plans for it, peacefull once that is.

No offence Mindset, but if I may. The map scale you are using is far too large to portray the scale we are talking about here.

What I would do is make (map out) smaller "sectors" and have players choose them on a first come, first serve basis. Each sector can be assigned a volume/area of space. Also, my race currently occupies 21 systems and only few are placed. And I'm sure others are more or less in a similar situation.

Becasue of this, I prefer Banderlok's map.

I've always intended to make this a space nation, so I guess the time is now...

BTW, if my demands seem Godmodish, please let me know...

Sectors 416-1326: Northern Borders
Sectors 428-1328: Southern Borders
Sectors 416-428: Western Borders
Sectors 1326-1328: Eastern Borders

Note: Directional references are based on map orientation, the top of which being "north".

Pax Galactica plans to make this area a territory, which it will survey for possible settlement areas, and mining locations.

This map is to display borders, not all your systems, it maps major trade routes, or whatever I can fit inside your claims.

EDIT: Of course, I will do my best to accommodate as much as possible.

This map is to display borders, not all your systems, it maps major trade routes, or whatever I can fit inside your claims.

EDIT: Of course, I will do my best to accommodate as much as possible.

Okay then, but my territory would reach closer to Sol. And I think it would have been better to allow all concerned choose as well.

Can someone point me to where Epsilon Eridani might be on this thing..?

-Puts up a little flag on it. Does a dance.-

It might be a good idea to add Alpha/Beta Centauri & Rigil Kent (a triple system closest to Sol) as a major trading system...seeing as it is an actual region with several nations in it.

Can someone point me to where Epsilon Eridani might be on this thing..?

Epsilon Eridani would be pretty close to Sol, I think it is with 10-20 lightyears of Sol and each of those squares is 200.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can defend even one entire solar system alone non-the-less vast areas of space.

Okay then, but my territory would reach closer to Sol. And I think it would have been better to allow all concerned choose as well.

Very well, this will be fixed in the next version.

Although I am a space dwelling nation I do not have a homeworld nor do I choose to control anyone planet. Instead driven by my curiosity and need for exploration, I constantly travel Creation itself. I cannot bring myself to settle on any one planet. Instead I stop occasionally to get resources I need and move on. I am also a salveger, investigating things found dead in space to see what I can get out of them and use myself.

Update is coming.... Claims after this will be added in the next update, perhaps tomorrow.

The scale in this map is way out of proportion. If each square was 200 ly x 200 ly, then the system of Sol would be almost 400 ly across at its longest point. Not to mention that people who have requested to be placed <100 ly away from Sol will seem quite crowded within those few squares. Once the scale of this map is represented more correctly, I may put in a request for a claim.

Also, what is that second galaxy doing there? It's physically impossible to have a galaxy that close to the Milky Way without it being pulled in by the Milky Way's gravitational pull.

The scale in this map is way out of proportion. If each square was 200 ly x 200 ly, then the system of Sol would be almost 400 ly across at its longest point. Not to mention that people who have requested to be placed <100 ly away from Sol will seem quite crowded within those few squares. Once the scale of this map is represented more correctly, I may put in a request for a claim.

Also, what is that second galaxy doing there? It's physically impossible to have a galaxy that close to the Milky Way without it being pulled in by the Milky Way's gravitational pull.


Actually I think everyone should just receive a single sector. Also, I made a fairly accurate calculation that since the Milky Way galaxy is 100,000LY (approx.) across, then each sector square is a 4000LY cub.

The sector that Sol is in is not the system alone. The second galaxy is there to place people who wish to be IN the galaxy on the map. Attempting to get the scale perfect would be a near impossible job, and the crowding generated by it would be too much for the tools I am using to handle.

Again, the map is not intended to be physically correct. If it was, then it would be in 3D. However, it is to be used to know who is relative to your location, or who shares a border. If you do not wish to be on a map that isn't perfectly to scale, where 1 pixel equals ten lightyears (photoshop dislikes images larger than 3000x3000), then so be it.

In other news, the map has been updated. Please refresh the image.

Lagrange 4 is in the fourth Lagrange point, just between Sol 3 and its largest natural satellite. It has no territorial claims and recognises none made by other powers.

i would like land by "indra prims" please ill pay 10 mill. and 5 mill. in gold.

Our Territory inculdes 10 Planets; And a ton Of Moons.
However we only populate 1.
Sectors:
NorthBorder: 3,043 Running West Torwards the end of the Map to Sector 3343
EastBorder: 3,043 Running south to 3045
South Border 3,045 running West to 3345
West Border: 3342 running north dignolly to 3345.

How much to have our space Market.

And Yes the ECF is "out there"
Which is why are ships have TransWarp to allow us to reach other galaxys.

Whatever, I'll just make a claim because I'm never on any of these maps anyways.

I wish to have my system marked in square 2007, where that bright point is, and not a very large border. Just enough around it so my territory takes up a little more than a quarter of each of the surrounding squares 1907, 1908, 2008, and a good chunk of 2007. No guarded borders, I encourage free trade to and from my system.

Edit: Here's a quick sketch to show you what I wish to claim.

I want the 6 Sectors UNDER the Map Key in the lower lefthand corner

I would like to request sector 2405. It doesn't even have to be the whole sector, as my nation, though spacefarring, only controls one planet right now. To make my nation's name easier to put on the map, perhaps simply put the abbreviation D.U.T. (Dominion of Universalist Totality).

If you could put us on your map as having sector 2415, just that sector straight lines are fine, such an area wouold be more than enough for the Okyton Empire.

I'd like the Aurora System (A Protectorate of Cyberutopia) to be placed in the upper right-hand corner of 3005, taking up most of 3005 and a small portion of 3004, 3104, and 3105. The system consists of 3 planets, though only one is habitable, and linked via trade routes to Sol. Thank you.

The nation of Sunset, it's Exploration Command, and those of a host of other nations will not recognize these borders. Frankly any nation claiming either borders in space or dozens of systems needs to have it's collective head examined. My suggestion would be to remove the borders and mark either home systems or major colonies (100 million +) only.

For those of you who have claimed these borders and / or dozens of systems I would note that this map is now public - and you might prepare for a visit from one of a dozen pirate nations. A colony all alone in the night is a very lonely place...

The nation of Sunset, it's Exploration Command, and those of a host of other nations will not recognize these borders. Frankly any nation claiming either borders in space or dozens of systems needs to have it's collective head examined. My suggestion would be to remove the borders and mark either home systems or major colonies (100 million +) only.

For those of you who have claimed these borders and / or dozens of systems I would note that this map is now public - and you might prepare for a visit from one of a dozen pirate nations. A colony all alone in the night is a very lonely place...

Seconded.

Also supported--just looking at the distances involved with a few Triumvirate colony and outpost worlds, we would encroach on the territory of no less than seven nations...

...then again, we don't recognize some of the names so perhaps it really isn't that great of a matter.

Hey the map looks cool ill ask valinon if he wants to put the Raumreich on it or more presicly where as its far away from his world of alpha centari. Looks good like to see where atleast some other nations are in the galaxy

Though this map is rather off scale (the territories are hundreds of LY across when they should be from less than 1 LY to around 10LY), and there may be free space between claimed territories, but it's still a very nice map. As the Mindset said it's more of a "who's where" thing. I see these "borders" more as areas of influence around major systems than solid dividing lines. Yeah, vast expanses of space is hard to control, but a nation can set up areas of protection around their systems.

OOC: This would be a nice map, but as the other critics have said, it's just not realistic. And the border thing isn't cool, it's more of a hinderer than anything. I agree with Sunset on this issue.

Heil. Liet has slammed the hammer of his Word. Rawr.

I control

1006,1007.1008,1106,1107,1108 1109 and part of 1009 this is the Entire LV system, 6 worlds 2 inhabitable.


it's called LV-1302 by all, but to us it's just the LV system.

Can someone point me to where Epsilon Eridani might be on this thing..?

-Puts up a little flag on it. Does a dance.-

I'm sorry to say but I own that system. I claimed it about 7 months ago give or take.

I'm sorry to say but I own that system. I claimed it about 7 months ago give or take.


Epsilon Eridani
World Factbook Entry: A region surrounded by unnatural mountians in every direction to keep unwanted nations out of the region. The peoples of this nation have been brought up on isolationistic views and see any one from not inside the region as a threat. Many years before peace was established The Imperial Dynasty of Gryphonium ruled over all with a communistic iron fist, until The Necropolis of Phondstor gained control and ejected the female dictator and her subjects from the region entirely.


UN Delegate: The Necropolis of Phondstor (elected 44 days ago).

Founder: The Clan Wolf Puppet Nation of Arousia

Epsilon Eridani contains 2 nations. [List all nations]

Like what you see? Move Wazzu to Epsilon Eridani today!


To hell with your claim, its inhabited.

EDIT: Unless of course one of those is your puppet.

Even then, to hell with your claim...who can own an entire solar system?

.... When was that region formed then. And I can easily controll an entire star system. If you don't belive I can I'll just simply ignore you except on an OCC level.

Never intended to claim the whole system, just one o' zee planets. That's where I've been playing my Nation from. Epsilon Eridani B actually. Well, if someone else has already lain claim to it a while ago..

..May I stay? Please pretty please? That system r0x0rz s0x0rz.

Well we can simply use the alter universe system where we both own it in diffrent universes. That way we are both happy

I have no idea when it was formed, but who cares?

The idea is that you can claim it all you want, but no matter how far back your claim goes, if someone else is inhabiting it, it means your claim means jack...somethingorother.

Yea, you can ignore me, ignore them, ignore everyone who doesn't recognize your claim. How many people will you have left to play with?

I rarely ignore people and the alter universe system comes simply so the claim can be legal. Also look at other nations like Klonor (with all respect) that nation esily enhabits several systems.

The United Star Empire of Valinon lies claim to the system of Alpha Centauri near Sol, and also five star systems within the border of the region known as the Raumreich Oversector. The Raumreich is located 978 light years coreward of Alpha Centauri and is connected to Alpha Centauri by the Valinor Wormhole Junction, which links to the Greater Raumreich Wormhole System. Other nations have claims on the stars in the Raumreich, and a separate map is available for that.

he he dont come to the raumreich lol some of us have what was it "Ten on Tens" systems....but then we are backward.

Really comon all live and let live....

I've seen my name used here and I just want to say one thing: I do not claim to own all that space which is surrounded by the border and labeled "Associated Systems of Klonor". Each of those stars is several hundred light-years apart, the space between them is open to anyone. Hell, quite a few of them are on opposite sides of Sol and I do not dare to say I own Sol.

I own the solar systems and even that is pretty much limited merely to the planets and a few thousand km out from their atmospheres, since anything beyond that is extremely difficult to patrol (we're talking about billions of km of empty space) and not worth the effort (who the hell cares of some ships fly through my system? As long as they don't bother me I wont even know they're there.).

From what I've gathered with my conversations with The Mindset, the only reason all the systems are together and surrounded by a solid border is so that nations can get a general idea of where other nations are located in relation to other nations. It is not to say that the nations in question lay claim to all that space (some of them may do that, but it is not definite merely because it's on this map).

Fair enough, Klonor. I can handle that, but there are still a few issues that need to be resolved. If this still survives into next week, I'll use it, but I definately won't be posting claims as of yet. My space program is only just getting started, so yeah.

blah blah blah
Well said, old chap! This map is really no more than symbolic. If this were accurate, it would either be ridiculously huge or split up into smaller sections (something I wouldn't mind seeing). The purpose of this map, in my eyes, is to show who exists, how far away from you they are, and who is most likely to be in the way between point A and point B. Borders, even three-dimensional ones, in space are absolutely ridiculous. Nobody would defend their space borders...nobody would even try. It's simply impossible, and like you said, if someone flies into "your space", who cares? What are they going to do, damage the vacuum?

My influence ends at where the gravitational pull of the suns in my systems end. Space is, for all intents and purposes, "International Waters".

I wanted to respectfully ask how soon we can expect the map to be updated?

Might I then suggest a key system with no borders? Given that most of the posts realize the futility of borders they seem extraneous. Perhaps a color for each alliance, with dual alliance nations split into multiple colors. Then each star would be tagged with the system name and a number and the nations would be printed up one side with their number next to them. This would allow for many more nations than currently listed and would also allow multiple nations to be listed for the same system (same number).

One concern I do have is the potential mis-use of this map. If any nation has posted an OOC location I would suggest this map be clearly labelled OOC or at the least OOC locations be labeled as such.

Alternatively, one (being a nation/alliance/etc) could cordon off a "sector" of space for their exclusive use. Say, for example, grid section 2826. One could claim that exist a star system within that x lightyear cube of space and they will tolerate no visitors. Of course it'll have to be enforced somehow and granted that space is rather large, but it'll be similar to a "no fly zone".

Myself, I'm considering claiming a section as a sort of "firing range" for my fleet(s) to engage in target practice/etc, and if anyone happens to wander through.....not my fault if you get shot up :sniper:

I don't know why so many people want to live in Epsilon Eridani. The system is likely too young to be inhabitable. It's probably not even abundant enough in metals to be a valuable mining system, either.

I have read some of the comments and critisisms of the map, and I have decided to attempt new methods of drawing it. One will involve splitting it into four "quadrants" (no doubt anti-trek nations will attack it now), to make the image size smaller, and the scale easier to work with. I will be replacing borders with overlapping "spheres of influence", and I will be attemping to find ways to fit some basic system information in. Does this suit everyone?

I have read some of the comments and critisisms of the map, and I have decided to attempt new methods of drawing it. One will involve splitting it into four "quadrants" (no doubt anti-trek nations will attack it now), to make the image size smaller, and the scale easier to work with. I will be replacing borders with overlapping "spheres of influence", and I will be attemping to find ways to fit some basic system information in. Does this suit everyone?

I like it and it's a great idea overall. I was thinking about something like this myself. By all means, do it. The borders look rather messy anyway and detract from the map as a whole.

Kanuckistani space consists of a group of 144 star systems, known as the Kanuckistani Home Cluster, isolated by several hundred lightyears of more or less empty void, and located 5000 lightyears beyond the rim, on the opposite side of the galaxy from Sol. 400 lightyears across should be more than enough, until I finish mapping things out OOCly and can provide definitive numbers.

Assuming an atleast(iirc) 100'000 lightyear across galaxy, I guestimate that gives each sector a minimum 2000x2000 lightyear measurment. So, my space would fit well within a single sector, and be located around 1740(relative to the Milky Way, not in that other galaxy). Trade would be limited to two station located on oposite sides of the Cluster in interstellar space, just inside my space.

I think it's realistic to make this claim because A) it's remote as hell, so no one should really care and traffic would be easy to monitor, B) it gives me an average population density of 24 million people per system, so it's not that oragous given my size(many aren't home to more than a few outposts anyway; they're claimed for strategic reasons, because of their proximity), and C) My military is somewhat paranoid about defence, so I can claim jurisdiction over the volume of near my home and tell people to leave if I want them to,

EDIT:
Typed that earlier while offline; so, uh, just use it for future refference, then.

Hmm, I've been experimenting, and I have decided to ditch this format altogether. Although it looks nicer, and has more "eye-candy" than other versions, it has very little useful information on it. I am going back to the exact same format as my old map, the September 2003 one, which gives system information and distances from Sol. It has NO SCALE AT ALL. The positioning on the map has NO RELATION AT ALL to physical distance. It is a map of known natural wormholes, stellar phenomena, subspace jumpnodes or whatever your claim on FTL travel is. If you don't use anything like that, then consider it trade routes. I'll be posting an example soon.

Kanuck, you have 144 colonised systems? Damn you're spread out. I only own eight star systems, and only four have any meaningful population, including my Sol homelands. However, they are densely populated, and are more easily defended than spreading people thin across star systems.

Moontian: Sol and Gamma Horologii (total population 3314 million)
Tritonites: Alpha Circini and Alpha Canum Venaticorum (total population 3126 million)
Nereidans: Lambda Ophiuchi and Nu Reticuli (total population 3017 million)
Dionnians: Wolf 359 and Mu Chamaeleontis (total population 1056 million)
Total population: 10,513 million

Kanuck, you have 144 colonised systems? Damn you're spread out. I only own eight star systems, and only four have any meaningful population, including my Sol homelands. However, they are densely populated, and are more easily defended than spreading people thin across star systems.

Moontian: Sol and Gamma Horologii (total population 3314 million)
Tritonites: Alpha Circini and Alpha Canum Venaticorum (total population 3126 million)
Nereidans: Lambda Ophiuchi and Nu Reticuli (total population 3017 million)
Dionnians: Wolf 359 and Mu Chamaeleontis (total population 1056 million)
Total population: 10,513 million

There are only around two dozen 'major' worlds; many of my systems can't or don't support Earth-like worlds. A good number of red dwarves and the ilk.

Like I said, alot of them are claimed for strategic reasons, and they also provide plenty of room to grow into, so I need not worry about pressures to expand.

There are also research outposts, small family mining operations, clan-esque outposts for varrious races, sub-cultures, or social groups, etc. spread throughout most of 'em.

But, yeah, overall we're fairly rural.

Oh, and there's even a decent-sized black hole, called Oblivion.

I'd help me greatly if you also provided the distance in lightyears from Sol (Earth's system) to your systems.

I'd help me greatly if you also provided the distance in lightyears from Sol (Earth's system) to your systems.

<distance of Earth from galactic core> + <radius of milky way> + 5000 lightyears.

Everything in this post is OOC


My nation is currently following a set of "clues" I am roll playing out to the star cluster M79 approximetly 40,000 Light Years from Earth in the direction of the constelation Lepus (the hare) [below Orion's feet]. I have established a base in the Gleise system and I am roleplaying a meeting with CorpSac in the Arneb system. I plan on visiting 3 or 4 other systems to find "clues" that will lead me to the M79 cluster (call it the Draconic Cluster if you wish)

The map itself is OOC. If you have not told someone where you are ICly, they can't look at the map and learn it without godmodding.

Actually, mindset, I made the 1st map. You just took over for me :p


anyway, seems that someone else had control of the Pleiades....we played rock-paper-scizzors.....I lost

So.....put me at....

2210, 2310, 2211, 2311, and 2312 (2310, 2311, and 2312 being the parts that are not taken)

put me down as "The United Federation of Atlantis"

Then there is a puppet of mine, and an npn.

Puppet: Machine Empire:

2109 (part that's not taken), 2209

Non-player Nation: Neo-Atlantis (you don't have to put this one down if you don't want. after all, I'll probably get rid of them in the next part of my homeworld RP)

1913, 1914, 2014, 2013


Also, put all 3 down as "guarded borders" And a trade route to Sol.

(Damn....no jump nodes :p )

Yeah, I remember. Just my thread was more popular than your efforts. :P

Right now there's not much point quoting sector numbers at me, since I'm re-doing the map in the old, old style to keep the majority happy.

The nation of Sunset, it's Exploration Command, and those of a host of other nations will not recognize these borders. Frankly any nation claiming either borders in space or dozens of systems needs to have it's collective head examined. My suggestion would be to remove the borders and mark either home systems or major colonies (100 million +) only.

For those of you who have claimed these borders and / or dozens of systems I would note that this map is now public - and you might prepare for a visit from one of a dozen pirate nations. A colony all alone in the night is a very lonely place...

For this reason, Wormia inhabits no more than six main colonies, one of which is simply a space station which expands and build upon itself as the population needs, and another colony which is inhabited cooperatively with 8 other nations. The remaining four planets each have approximately 500 million individuals living on them.

I'd help me greatly if you also provided the distance in lightyears from Sol (Earth's system) to your systems.

Our main system, Eness, is 22 lightyears away from Sol. If you were on Earth, looking at the galactic core, Eness would be in the way.

On either side of Eness are two other colonized planets (New Pallas, Shertaeth) which are about 5 and 7 lightyears away from Eness, respectively.

We also have claim over two other star systems, but they are uninhabited and you may choose to omit them. They are NSP14-5 and NSP123-6 (example: NSP14-5 is 14 degrees from the galactic core and 5 lightyears from Eness).

All systems have Interstellar Highway 'exits', and thus are directly connected to every other Palladian system and Earth.

Can't wait to see the new map! :D

Yeah, I remember. Just my thread was more popular than your efforts. :P


oh sure, wave your fancy-shmancy photoshop in my face, while I'm forced to use PAINT! :p
*runs off and pouts*

anyway, I really don't know the lightyears....as each system is one I made up :p

(I recently changed my nation and its empire to a space nation. Just FYI.)

The United Imperium of Crossman contains several other nations so, I have I currently have 7 star systems.

If I could, I'd like my space to consist of sectors 1908 1909 2007 2008 2009 2108

I'd also like to add our protectorate nation of Drminia. 4 systems in 2109 and 2110.

I'd also need a trade route to Sol, since I still have territory there as well on Earth. Could I also have guarded borders? Hope I'm not asking for too much. If you can't do all that, well thanks anyway, but I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

-Crossman

oh sure, wave your fancy-shmancy photoshop in my face, while I'm forced to use PAINT! :p
*runs off and pouts*

I know the feeling.

I understand the complaints that people have had about this map. It's obvious that scale would be pretty hard to pull off, seeing the galaxy in the background is out of proportion, the sectors are considerably huge, and distances are immense. I understand the technology we're dealing with. However, the time it takes an average interstellar nation to travel 200 ly is (or at least should be) relatively long, especially if they are using a FTL drive, instead of hyperspace.

By no means am I telling you not to go ahead with this map. However, I'd like to help create a more accurate map of much smaller proportions, seeing a good amount of nations are asking for space less than 100 ly away from sol.

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about:

http://pri.mgonetwork.com/downloads/gameaids/maps_3132.jpg

I know what some of you are thinking. "Ugh... Battletech!" Yes, it's the map from Battletech's Inner Sphere. However, its setup and scale is much more practical for many space-faring nations. I would be willing to at least help with, if not solely assemble a map more like this style for space nations that aren't too far from Sol, like less than a thousand light years.

Trying to read some of the stuff in that map's key?

I'll loan you my doctor-proclaimed "perfect vision" ;)

Underneath the scale, it says "100 light years or 26.8 parsecs"

Underneath that (left to right) is "Region Capital", "District Capital", "National Capital". Inside the framed box it says "Maximum jump approximately 30 light years"

The compass says "Coreward" (top) "Spinward" (right), "Rimward" (bottom), and "Anti-Spinward" (left). This is referring to the milky way. "North" on that compass is pointing to the galactic core, and spinward is pointing in the direction the galaxy is rotating (counter-clockwise). Everything else is obvious.

The smaller text within the scale, and everything below the framed box is a bit too blurry/small for me to decipher, but I mentioned everything that seemed important anyways.

Unfortunately, the problem with that map is that it does not allow any representation of territories much further out from Sol than 100ly.

Unfortunately, the problem with that map is that it does not allow any representation of territories much further out from Sol than 100ly.


Take a look at the scale again. That little measurement represents 100 light years. The Inner Sphere territory around Terra (aka Earth) is roughly 130-150 ly across.

The farthest radius on that map (from Terra to Errod's Escape) is about 350-400 light years. Which means that the inner sphere map represents roughly 700-800 ly of space. There is much more north into the Clan territory and the pentagon worlds, this map is only 2/3 of the entire Battletech universe. However, a map of this style can be expanded to fit much more inside of it. Plus nations based greater than 1000ly can be represented in seprate maps, with long distance lines drawn to indicate in which direction the closest cluster of claims is. I can assemble all of these maps into a web page with hyperlinked images representing the major clusters of civilization.

hHey woulld you mind putting 8,500 ly of my space space between nvilnoom and kanuckistan ?..

Wow, that map on page 1 is pretty awesome. :D

I suppose if the IMSA region was on that map, it would be somewhere in square 2007. Would a one-planet region that far from anyone else be recognized?

Okay, looking at that map, I'm seeing STORYLINE! ideas....but...one thing i need to know: What the heck is that Dead Zone there. Means no FTL what so ever?
Or does it mean -standard- forms of FTL not possible (Ie, Honorverse FTL, hyperspace, stuff like that?)
And that rift there. What kinda rift is it?

Gah, even as I write this, I notice that the Dead Zone is the galactic center....hrm. No idea.

This is nifty, truly nifty. Wonder if I could have accidentally intruded into someone's territory in my current "To The Stars" storyline.....

I suppose if the IMSA region was on that map, it would be somewhere in square 2007.

I've already requested to be marked in that area.

Hey would you mind putting my 10,000 ly on the map ?
sytems are :
Terran prime (1000 ly form sol)
Inzar ( 950 ly)
Batzed (1500 ly)
Ba' Ku (900 ly )
Proxima 4, (1500 ly)
Alphac theta 6, (900 ly )
Wolf 359, (900 ly )
Polaris, (2500 ly)
Vega, ( 450 ly)
Bayblon 2 , (1500 ly)
Alpha theta 3, (3000 ly)
Proxima 2 , (3000 ly)
Orin 5 , (500 ly)
Jorad (3000 ly)
,Galio (4000 ly )
the coperncist sytem ( 500 ly)
Shermans planet ( 1100 ly )
Theta Cyigni (1200 ly)
Galrodon core (5000 Lys )
Beta hymide (450 ly )

-- Moontian: Sol and Gamma Horologii (total population 3314 million) --

(OOC: Odd. When did you sneak into the constellation of Horologii? Haven't seen any posts by you ever getting there. This nation's been there from August. I doubt anyone could sneak in with billions of people without being noticed. :-P )

I've already requested to be marked in that area.

Sorry. My bad.

...can IMSA be in 2006 or 2107, then? I don't think anyone requested/claimed either of those squares, yet.

It's alright. I might end up making my own map, depending on how smoothly this one goes. So far I'm awaiting The Mindset's newest update on the map.

3205-3305 North boarder
3205-3206 west boarder
3305-3306 east boarder
3306-3206 South boarder.

I have 6 planets.
I hope I will be able to be put on the map. *Puppy Eyes*

If it is no problem, I would to be put on this excellent map as well. As far away from Sol as possible and one or two squares would be good. We currently only control the Arisse Star System with about 15 inhabitable planets in the 4 or 5 solar systems contained within. Thanks.

One thought about the map: We're missing the "Z" axis.

One thought about the map: We're missing the "Z" axis.

The thing about 2D is Z axis are really, really hard to represent at such a large scale.

I realize that. I was more just saying it to say it, cause someone was bound to say it.

ASking me to plot in sectors is pointless with the format of the new map. What I now need is a list of your systems, including their distance from Sol in lightyears. Simply claiming sectors will not result in being put on the map. Update coming soon, for now, look at the example of the new format at http://www.illspirit.co.uk/upload/examplemap.jpg - there is no longer any scale. Sectors are for reference only, and the lines between systems represent whatever you want them to represent. There are no marked distances between systems, though I will vaguely group them.

err kind of missed me out on there, I think.... put me around 11 light years from Earth...

look at the example of the new format at http://www.illspirit.co.uk/upload/examplemap.jpg - there is no longer any scale. Sectors are for reference only, and the lines between systems represent whatever you want them to represent. There are no marked distances between systems, though I will vaguely group them.

Much simpler. I'm within the Solaris System, 42 light years away from earth.

You already know all my systems and their distances from Sol (mainly because you're the one who gave me the distances) but I'll post them anyway for reference.

Deneb: 1,467 light-years from Sol
Regulus: 77.5 light-years from Sol
Epsilon Pegasi: 800 light-years from Sol
Gamma Draconis: 110 light-years from Sol
Tau Ceti: 11.9 light-years from Sol
Ross128: 10.9 light-years from Sol
SR-2091: 1,576,800 light-years from Sol

A new chart? Okay. I suppose IMSA could really be put just about anywhere that can be considered as 2000ly from Sol, although if it is to go on the map, I'd sort of prefer it be a bit out of the way of other colonized worlds. I could imagine a star saying,

"IMSA,"
either "multiple claims" or "region" or anything else that would be fitting for one star system that is home to a whole region.
"2000ly"

If I can have it be somewhere on the map, then thanks. :D

Wow, that new format is beauteous! :p Great work. I noticed that you have binary/trinary star systems represented, in that case I should notify you that the Eness system (the core of my civilization, 22.0 ly from Sol) is a binary star. New Pallas and Shertaeth (24.5 and 27.4 ly from Earth, respectively) are both normal, lone stars.

We have claimed Coronae Borealis.
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/coronaborealis_s.gif

Argheraal Prime is in Alpha Coronae Borealis (some 67.5 Ly from Sol) and we have a colony in Beta Coronae Borealis where the derelict station was found.
We have been exploring the rest of the stars of Coronae Borealis.

Also there's a Trans-spatial gate to Mekanta (comercial) from Alpha Coronae Borealis.
And one from Alpha to Beta Coronae Borealis.

And a route to The large Magellan Cloud where we have a secret Research Station and Shipyard called Gladsheim on a star system called Lantar (179,500Ly) with a small earthlike planet (about the size of mars) where 200,000 colonists live. Our EMCD Drive enables us to get there rather quickly (i'll put about it on the ESUS tech board once i get off my lazy ass to do it).

Damn, too bad that dead zone is right smack in the center of the galaxy, it would be a good place to place a few installations. :)

The second map looks better.. very nice..

Mine are unknown as far as Light Years go. My star cluster is hidden from the view of Earth by a nearby nebula. Pelican, Orion...take your choice.

Anyway, it's a cluster of about 25 some stars (many of the systems are uninhabitable):

Star 1: Kora
Star 2: Vitar
Star 3: Lazon A, Lazon B, Lazon C
Star 4: Dopa
Star 5: Avenal A, Avenal B
Star 6: Portas
Star 7: Mempa A
Star 8: Oblissa A, Oblissa B
Star 9: Gree
Star 10: Keloda
Star 11: Trabe A, Trabe B, Trabe C, Trabe D
Star 12: Argala
Star 13: Takar
Star 14: Trakia
Star 15: Seros
Star 16: Tekara
Star 17: Hazari
Star 18: Turi
Star 19: Malador A, Malador B
Star 20: Ubea

Feel free just to create the cluster, and not each individual star. And while I dunno the actual Light Years, it is near Earth, just on the other side of the nebula.

Now for the others:
Neo-Atlantis:
Old Atlantis Home system: 900 Light Years

Epsilon Pegasi: 800 light-years from Sol

(OOC: But you don't control it - completely anyway. Even the Ashen Empire holds a piece of territory there. It's about as much "yours" as it is anyone elses who owns a part of it now.)

You really haven't kept up with the times have you? I control two of the three inhabitable planets, the uninhabitable planets, and the empty space between all of them (Of course, that's purely name ownership since I don't bother to actually patrol all that empty space. In fact, I can't, and nobody else can either). Taka, who owns the habitable planet that I don't, has ceded to me control of the rest of the system. What you, and the other 'owners', own are small parts of the asteroid belts and some individual moons for mining and such.

Total: 20,000 asteroids (out of millions) and eight moons (out of dozens).

I know I'm being a jackass here, but the fact is that I own Epsilon Pegasi.

The Forge system is about 22 light years from Earth, and about 1 light year away from P4lladia. I would appreciate it if you fit me in on your map.

Zaktar Prime(Zintar System) 1,460,375,000 ly from sol, Is completly surrounded by three nebulas + it has no "trade" route to the Sol system, only to my other planets.

These three system below has "trade" route to each other

Zretak Uriz 500,000,000 ly is inside a nebula
Cretak Uraz 320,000,000 ly has a blackhole 3500 ly to the north(up)
Detak Urezat 250,000,000 ly has a nebula on the east(right) side

These threesystem below has "trade" route to each other
X-16432 Gamma 90,000,000 ly
Y-38562 Zeta 20,000,000 ly is surrounded by 2 nebulas
Z-77323 Epsilon 5,000,000 ly has a nebula on the south side
Z-83213 Omega 5,000 ly inside a nebula, its the closet planet Zaktar has to earth if you don't count that I have a small colony on earth :)

Z- 93432 Omikron unkown ly is Hidden inside a nebula <-- this system don't have any route to it and it won't show up on any long range sensors

Zaharium Vahyrian(old Homeworld) unkown ly <-- but its farther away than Zaktar Prime

Commorargh is located at 4506,

You really haven't kept up with the times have you? I control two of the three inhabitable planets, the uninhabitable planets, and the empty space between all of them (Of course, that's purely name ownership since I don't bother to actually patrol all that empty space. In fact, I can't, and nobody else can either). Taka, who owns the habitable planet that I don't, has ceded to me control of the rest of the system. What you, and the other 'owners', own are small parts of the asteroid belts and some individual moons for mining and such.

Total: 20,000 asteroids (out of millions) and eight moons (out of dozens).

I know I'm being a jackass here, but the fact is that I own Epsilon Pegasi.

I love the way that, despite the number of stars in the galaxy numbering in the hundreds of billions, people still have to bicker about who owns which. :D

(OOC: Odd. When did you sneak into the constellation of Horologii? Haven't seen any posts by you ever getting there. This nation's been there from August. I doubt anyone could sneak in with billions of people without being noticed. :-P )
I posted a long time ago, and it wasn't challenged. The star system is uninhabited right now, but it does allow for expansion.

The Okyton Centre is 10 light years south south east of sol about 1 or 1.5 light years from the trade route from sol to rhetalia.

Taka, who owns the habitable planet that I don't, has ceded to me control of the rest of the system.

(OOC: "Ceded"? No. "Let you rent it"? Yes. The thread suggests that you would be leasing those planets. Renting them from Taka, in other words. You own them as much as a tenant owns his or her house, Taka being the evil landlord.)

What you, and the other 'owners', own are small parts of the asteroid belts and some individual moons for mining and such..

(OOC: Incorrect. The Ashen Empire has created a strong military presence that surrounds the moons (and within the parts of the asteroid field) it owns within the system. Dead need not breathe, the moons work for them as well as Earth itself does, where mainland Ermor is located. They aren't simply interested in mining... Not anymore anyway.)

your both acting like babies. I had the same problem once too. Someone had claimed the Pleiades (apperently a month before me). What did I do? i created my own star cluster.

There. Now I don't have to worry about ownership claims, and I can expand where I damn well please.

Now one of you move out, or I'LL take the system.

I posted a long time ago, and it wasn't challenged. The star system is uninhabited right now, but it does allow for expansion.

(OOC: Maybe that was because not everyone notices every single post some random person might make at any given time? It's considered good manners to inform people your stuff might affect of what you're doing. Just saying that your claims went unchallenged doesn't mean a thing.

Although, since you say that you don't have any people there, I guess I have no problem with that. :-) )

your both acting like babies. I had the same problem once too. Someone had claimed the Pleiades (apperently a month before me). What did I do? i created my own star cluster.

(OOC: He pointed out that he owns Epsilon Pegasi, which he did, and that he now controls most of it, which he does in a way. No actual "ceding" took place - based on the thread I'm making these conclusions of mine -, he is, technically, just a tenant of Taka. Taka still owns the planets, Klonor has governing rights and such, as far as I can tell.

I'm pointing out that I have a presence in Epsilon Pegasi, which I do. I own a few moons and some asteroids, a couple of thousand of 'em. The moons are filled with "people", and the asteroid field bits contain numerous ships, since I build ships there due to having a shipyard around 'ere.

And creating one's own star cluster because of something as small as this would be pointless. The Empire prefers... Crowded systems.)

Now one of you move out, or I'LL take the system.

(OOC: Doubt that'll happen any time soon, the places the Empire owns in Epsilon Pegasi have proven themselves useful. And if you did anything of that sort, you would be giving all we need to ignore you enmasse. And then there's the thing about Taka's capital being in the system, so you be thinkin' of warring with Taka, too?)

(OOC: Doubt that'll happen any time soon, the places the Empire owns in Epsilon Pegasi have proven themselves useful. And if you did anything of that sort, you would be giving all we need to ignore you enmasse. And then there's the thing about Taka's capital being in the system, so you be thinkin' of warring with Taka, too?)

Ah...one of the dense ones that don't understand the physics of a joke. I'd never make an attack like that, especally with the weak position of my current forces. I'm not attacking anyone or anything until all my "projects" are done....sometime around Christmas.

But even if i did invade....you'd ignore me for...invading? THAT makes sense.

Ah...one of the dense ones that don't understand the physics of a joke.

(OOC: No. I'm just one of the people who have grown weary of these very bad "jokes" some people seem to love to make up.)

But even if i did invade....you'd ignore me for...invading? THAT makes sense.

(OOC: Oh, so you don't see the sense in that? Invasions done due to OOC reasons are grounds for ignore. Everyone knows that.)

Jesus, Ermor. No offense (well, maybe a little), but you're being a big old baby. Klonor, and Taka for that matter, are a lot bigger than you. Klonor is more established and generally well-known. I can't believe you're bickering over a star system. Do you have any idea how many stars are in this galaxy? Well, I don't either, but the number is in the billions, maybe trillions. The point is, Ermor, why don't you claim a system called, oh, Upsilon Pegasi, which is the same distance from Earth as the other one. And you have it all to yourself! Problem solved.

And creating one's own star cluster because of something as small as this would be pointless. The Empire prefers... Crowded systems.
The Empire prefers...pissing matches for no good reason.

Ermor, I'd really like to know where you're getting this info from. I am not renting from Taka, I own the system. Perhaps the word 'ceded' gave you the wrong impression. Do you want to see the treaty we negotiatied? He owns a planet. You own asteroids. I own the system.

Now, since unless you have some new information, I am done discussing this. Have a nice day.

Stop the flaming right now. This is my thread, and it's gone way off topic because of some petty bickering over who owns what. Take it somewhere else, or I'll request that a mod lock this thread.

Jesus, Ermor. *a whole bunch of inane bitching*

(OOC: Just what the hell are you talking about? I own those moons in Epsilon Pegasi since I bought them from someone who was selling them when Taka and friends had taken it from Klonor. My claim over those moons and over the asteroids is as legitimate as that of anyone else who's there claiming whatever they claim. Klonor just doesn't OWN THE DAMN SYSTEM. Taka "owns" it more than Klonor does nowadays. That is based on the thread they have made about the whole deal. Klonor has leased the planets from Taka he now controls there, I'll say it again, as far as I know. Leasing != having absolute control.

(And by the way, by "strong military presence" I mean something in the lines of "their military presence in the system is stronger than their any other form of... Presenting themselves there.")

There is no problem. There was no problem. There will be no problem. As simple as that. The only problem here is within the heads of the people who misinterpret the words of others.

And JESUS, P4lladia. LEARN TO READ.

EDIT (not editing the post itself): I base my knowledge on the apparently only thread about the whole thing: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343500

What else could I base it on? If you made a deal that was better for you privately, off the forums, of course I could not know about it. That is why I said "as far as I know". My info might be outdated, after all, but it'd be factual if what's on that thread is the current situation. ;-)

I find it oddly funny how people who don't know anything about the issue start flaming about it...)

(OOC: No. I'm just one of the people who have grown weary of these very bad "jokes" some people seem to love to make up.)
hmmm.....a kill-joy.

(OOC: Oh, so you don't see the sense in that? Invasions done due to OOC reasons are grounds for ignore. Everyone knows that.)

Ya...but you want to know the loophole? I can just say I invaded you because I want more territory.

Alright, I'm sorry for flaming. All I'm trying to say is that if there is a dispute, take the easy way out, this isn't like one of the Earth threads where there's a finite amount of land to claim. :)
/all done now

Sorry if I missed this, but what's the scale on that map? Is each square one square light-year?

Roseway is in the lower-left corner of section 2929.

Yes it was Vernii who held an auction to sell off lots of his stuff in EP. I also own two of the moons in the system around a gas giant. Taka knows this

Yes, as do I. I'm not contesting your claims.

YOu the Best m8 !

I seriously hope our host has been double checking all these claims, because I am going to be seriously pissed if it turns out that my territory has been paved over.

You don't build a billion-plus space nation without a navy...

You don't build a billion-plus space nation without a navy...

I did. Military naval equipment pretty much becomes obsolete when you master orbital insertion and ortillery.

The "navy" I'm talking about is a space based one. And I'm not threatening the author of the thread; I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to have to deal with scavangers in my space.

I seriously hope our host has been double checking all these claims, because I am going to be seriously pissed if it turns out that my territory has been paved over.

You don't build a billion-plus space nation without a navy...

It is not my task to check the claims. That is your task, all I do is put them on the map.

Reposting my question...
Sorry if I missed this, but what's the scale on that map? Is each square one square light-year?

Xanthal, there's no scale on the map.

The map on the first post isn't to be used as a reference, since a new map in a completely different format is currently under development. Xanthal, simply list your claims to systems, and their distance from Sol in lightyears.

All righty... The SRX is considerably smaller than it was on your last map, only two systems; Aellis and Than. Aellis is about twenty light-years from Sol, Than is ten light-years from Aellis and twenty-two light-years from Sol. We claim both systems and the space between them. An important fact to keep in mind is that, though we are relatively close to your own territory (and that of Arenumberg, if that nation is on there), we don't share borders with anyone.

The Forge system is about 22 light years from Earth, and about 1 light year away from P4lladia. I would appreciate it if you fit me in on your map.

Excuse Mindset, I'm sure you're very busy, and I hate to take up your time, but could you please just let me know if this is an acceptable claim?

I don't want to seem naggy or impatiant, but...BUMP! :D

LV System

5 Planets, 3 inhabitable.

21 Lightyears away from the Solar System, AKA Terran system

Hey Mindset, you haven't mapped my territories, yet... Is it because its too far or what?

The Ineffable Empire is in the process of colonising seven systems, the closest being fifty lightyears from Earth and the furthest 62. I'm making a map, will post a link when I have it.

Edit: The thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348053)
Map's on the third post.

*Species 1 currently posses 160 systems stretched across 500 lightyears. They are located on the side of the Milky Way opposite to sol. They are stretched mostly along the outer edge of the galaxy and are between 37.000 and 40.000 lightyears away from sol. Trespassers will be terminated.*

Can you edit an existing map?

The Borderlands are far away from the Sol system, about 34,000 light-years SSE of the Sol system, relative on the map. Effective trade routes from here to Sol haven't been worked out, but there are slow routes between systems not in the galaxy.

I'm new and have a space nation. I haven't done any RPing yet but intend to.

Xessmithia consists of 1 inhabited planet orbiting a G2 class star around 500 light-years towards the galactic center and galactic north. The system contains 11 planets.

Is there going to be a finished map for this? Or is it on an eariler page, and I've just missed it?

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