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New Ship Class: Battleforge

The Mindset
05-08-2004, 23:33
After over a thousand years of ship-based technological stagnation, the Technology Directorate decided enough was enough. Obtaining funds collected over five hundred years of pacifism and peace, the greatest engineers and scientists in The Empire began to draw up plans for the next-generation Mindsettian Navy. After fifteen long years, all plans were finally complete. None were more complex, or large and expensive as the Mindsettian Heavy Battleship class.

http://themindset.illspirit.co.uk/ships/battleship.jpg

With over seventy trillion moving parts, the ship is the most complex piece of engineering ever attempted within The Empire. The statistics are posted below, for your viewing, and accusations of godmodding pleasure. :P

Classification: Heavy Battleship
Crew Complement: 7,500
- Civilian Crew (Maintainence/Other): 500
- Military Crew (Marines/Other): 7,000
Cost: $462 trillion USD
Total Mass: 44,898,529 metric tons
No. in Service: Three (with an additional one in initial stages of construction)
Dimentions:
- Width: Variable, max. at 2km, min. at 0.1km
- Height: 0.3km
- Length: 16km
Shielding: Electron lattice, energy shielding.
- Power Output: 177 Terawatts
- Protection:
- - Energy Bombardment: 0.73 Exawatts before overload
- - Kinetic Bombardment: 0.35 million metric tons before overload
Fighter Complement:
- Includes an enourmous fighter factory inside the lower section of the hull.
- Asteroids are pulled inside one of the three enourmous cargo bays, and strip mined, to produce new fighters.
- At its peak, it can manufacture 200 new fighters per hour, taking approximately 30 hours to max out the fighter complement.
- After battle, the fighters are dismantled and stored as component parts.
- Maximum fighter complement: 45,000
- Initial fighter complement: 2,500
- Fighters are automated via AIs
Armament:
- 30 60mm Plasma Cannons (medium-far range ship-to-ship combat, 1.2TW, 1.3 billion kelvin)
- 20 8mm Kinetic Harpoon Launchers (planetary bombardment weapon, 0.8cm^2 pellets of neutronium, radiationless explosions of immense scale)
- 60 30mm Ion Cannons (close range ship-to-ship combat, 250GW)
- 8 Microwave Masers (40TW)
- 2 300mm Heavy Gravatic Cannons (120GW)
FTL Drive:
- Voidhole Jump Drive, near instantaneous travel in 25ly jumps.
STL Drive:
- Gravitic Shift Drive (Primary, 500 m/s/s reactionless acceleration)
- Anti-matter/matter reaction engine. (Backup, 100m/s/s acceleration)
Turning Circle: 1.38ly
Power Source:
- 10,000 Parallel linked nilling d-sinks (7 Exawatts total)
- 6 Singularity Generators with variable matter input flow (120 Terawatts each, 720 Terawatts total)

Additional Notes:
- Hull is strengthened by Mindsettian molecular binding generators located near the rear of the ship. *
- Though the ship is equipped with inertial dampeners to help it move, the ship is not designed to make major changes in direction under stl drive. To change direction, the ship makes a small wormhole jump, with the event horizon at the other end facing the direction it wishes to travel.
- Hull is coated in a thin layer of "exotic matter", which has negative mass. This causes a weak inverted gravity field, which "pushes" (in reality, it makes them fall away from the hull) dust etc. away from impacting the hull. This allows the ship to enter atmospheres, and dust clouds. It was constructed in the upper atmosphere of a gas supergiant, and requires a visit back every fifty years to refuel.
- Equipped with Mindsettian FLTi (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346388) technology, with a maximum radius of forty lightminutes (719,501,899km).



* The molecular binder generator works though a concept known as "Quantum Entanglement". This is a quantum mechanical phenomenon in which the quantum states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to each other, even though the individual objects may be spatially separated. This leads to correlations between observable physical properties of the systems that are stronger than any classical correlations. As a result, measurements performed on one system may be interpreted as "influencing" other systems entangled with it.


The generator holds a mass of solid hydrogen atoms in a looped voidhole (a wormhole that loops back on itself, and so can be used to store objects of infinite size in tiny spaces) equal to the mass of the hull. The generator gives each hydrogen atom either a negative or a positive charge, which is then translated onto the hull via Quantum Entanglement. When the entangled atoms of the hull are arranged correctly, positively to negatively charged, the bonds between them strengthen hence the overall thickness of the material required is reduced.
Phalanix
06-08-2004, 00:42
Damn...just damn.
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 00:58
Is that intended as a complement or an insult? :P
Danneland
06-08-2004, 01:29
66 km long, 70k troops. I hope you have a puppet nation with only farmers to produce food.. not to mention the enormous tonnes of water that must be stored... logistics.. think about the logistics..
Kyzyl-Orda
06-08-2004, 01:32
Holy... God help anyone who comes up against that thing.
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 01:49
66 km long, 70k troops. I hope you have a puppet nation with only farmers to produce food.. not to mention the enormous tonnes of water that must be stored... logistics.. think about the logistics..

All food is grown inside the ship, and water is obtained as a byproduct of the hydrogen fusion The Empire employs.
Five Civilized Nations
06-08-2004, 01:53
:eek: *gulps* :eek:
Skepticism
06-08-2004, 02:00
*shrug* I'm sure there's an uncovered exhaust port somewhere just waiting for a photon torpedo. How could you possibly not miss some weakness/flaw/mistake in a ship which weights 5 million metric tons and have "over one trillion" moving parts? I'd hate to have to go on the shakedown cruise!

Heck, it only weighs 10 times as much as the largest Earth naval ship, despite being about 60 times as large. How much armor could it possibly possess? ;)

Forgive my ignorance, but what the heck is a nilling d-sink? I've never heard of that one before, even among other future tech nations.
Klonor
06-08-2004, 02:02
Eh, I could take it.

Note to self: Renew life insurance policy
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 02:04
*shrug* I'm sure there's an uncovered exhaust port somewhere just waiting for a photon torpedo. How could you possibly not miss some weakness/flaw/mistake in a ship which weights 5 million metric tons and have "over one trillion" moving parts? I'd hate to have to go on the shakedown cruise!

Heck, it only weighs 10 times as much as the largest Earth naval ship, despite being about 60 times as large. How much armor could it possibly possess? ;)

Forgive my ignorance, but what the heck is a nilling d-sink? I've never heard of that one before, even among other future tech nations.

A nilling d-sink is the primary power supply of The Empire. In laymans terms, it is a battery with infinite capacity. Each unit contains a wormhole that loops back in on itself, creating a hole in space that can be filled with as much energy as needed. Each nilling d-sink is charged for forty years before use, and can output as much power as needed. And of course, it has weaknesses. The armour is thin and light because of the molecular binding, which you can read the working theory for in the small print at the bottom of the main post.

Unfortunately for you, the weaknesses aren't as simple as an exposed exhaust. If you can get through the shielding, it could be taken down with enough firepower, just like any other ship.
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 02:07
Eh, I could take it.

Note to self: Renew life insurance policy

Perhaps we could engage in a capital ship wargame after the current Shivan war is resolved. :P
Klonor
06-08-2004, 02:11
I take it you didn't see the hidden words. The words colored white so that they can't be seen, but are still easily seen so they're not actually meant to be hidden.
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 02:12
I take it you didn't see the hidden words. The words colored white so that they can't be seen, but are still easily seen so they're not actually meant to be hidden.

Ah, no, I didn't. Thank you for the vote of confidence. :P
Klonor
06-08-2004, 02:13
But you've seen them now, right?
Steel Butterfly
06-08-2004, 02:15
its not good to have civilian engineers on a military ship
Steel Butterfly
06-08-2004, 02:19
...that and its armor looks horrible. As someone said, too many targets for a good fighter pilot, and my nation has many.
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 02:21
its not good to have civilian engineers on a military ship

The Mindsettian Navy employs many civilians, because the revival of the space military is currently providing a huge boost to the private sector. Civilians are generally more than willing to serve the military, and since half the funding for these ships come from Mindsettian corporations, it is prudent to maintain permenant connections to ensure future iterations are as effectively manned as this.
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 02:21
...that and its armor looks horrible. As someone said, too many targets for a good fighter pilot, and my nation has many.

Asthetics aren't everything. :P
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 23:10
Stats updated with the newest Mindsettian technology, mFTLi.
Wazzu
06-08-2004, 23:39
OK, I was going to flame this...

but I think I'll just pass on by...

nothing needs be said....

Shell-Shocked,

-The Cardboard Avenger
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 23:46
Luckily for me cardboard proves highly effective at killing Shivans, oh mighty self-coronated king of what-is-and-isn't-a-space-godmod.
Wazzu
06-08-2004, 23:47
Luckily for me cardboard proves highly effective at killing Shivans, oh mighty self-coronated king of what-is-and-isn't-a-space-godmod.

*bows*

*wonders why he, the king, is bowing*

:)
Dread Lady Nathicana
06-08-2004, 23:49
Two questions. Has it fallen off yet? And if not, are you in need of some salve or something?

I think I'll just quietly back away from this whole wankedy mess before I ... damn. Anyone got a towel?

--Nathi's Player,
still amazed at the levels this sort of thing gets to on NS
The Mindset
06-08-2004, 23:51
Two questions. Has it fallen off yet? And if not, are you in need of some salve or something?

I think I'll just quietly back away from this whole wankedy mess before I ... damn. Anyone got a towel?

--Nathi's Player,
still amazed at the levels this sort of thing gets to on NS

Ahh, finally. The accusations of wanking I was expecting all along. It's a good thing the ship itself isn't wanking.
Wazzu
07-08-2004, 00:12
Ahh, finally. The accusations of wanking I was expecting all along. It's a good thing the ship itself isn't wanking.

No, just wanked.

-TCA
The Mindset
07-08-2004, 00:15
No, just wanked.

-TCA

Very well, I have heeded your advice, oh self-proclaimed king of wanking-accusations. I am currently editing down the stats by several factors. Perhaps I got a ... little bit carried away.
Wazzu
07-08-2004, 00:25
Very well, I have heeded your advice, oh self-proclaimed king of wanking-accusations. I am currently editing down the stats by several factors. Perhaps I got a ... little bit carried away.

Well don't do it for my benifit.

How you build your ships determines who you want to play with. There are a LOT of people that, while they may not make ships so big, they still make huge fleets of ships that are far larger then some other players'.

And thats perfectly OK. It is just that when the different groups of players get together, they have to recognize resources input to ship/fleet output determines quality...IF they ever decide to cross RP.

So don't change your stats unless it is something you really want to do.

-TCA

PS: And don't take my criticisms too harshly...hense the occasional smilie. :D
The Mindset
07-08-2004, 00:27
Oh no, I'm now the first person to admit 66km was wanking. Besides, I'm not willing to risk the reputation of the ESUS on something as stupid as this.
Wazzu
07-08-2004, 00:37
66 kilometers isn't necessiarlly wanking.

It's more the technobabble (which is common inside AND outside ESUS) that leads to basically inpenetrable shields and basically inpenetrable hull and lots all that...stuff.

Of course, they aren't really inpeenetrable, it just takes another like ship (or fleet) to do it.

Again, thats OK, as long as you remember that if you cross RP sub-communities you remember that the ship might not be as great as inside your own sub-community (or it might be better against a different sort of player...like Angelus).

It's all about where you pick to play.

My nation for example would never be able to cross over well with a modern or near-future nation unless I put artificial limits on my ships or kept them out entirely...which I have done.
The breathen
07-08-2004, 00:42
- Civilian Crew (Maintainence/Other): 500
- Military Crew (Marines/Other): 7,000



Civilian crew on a war ship are you mad? there should be Miltary techs on board not Cilivians.
The Mindset
07-08-2004, 00:44
The ship was designed to be deployed in the middle of a battlefield and provide fighter support to the more nimble ships in the area. The shields are far from impenetratable, nor is the hull. I've already had three or four nations describe technologies that would easily bypass my simple shielding systems and rip the hull open from the inside out. Currently, I'm working on some tech theories that might prevent these from happening. However, like all technology, pseudo or not, it will advance.

There will always be a more efficient killing machine.
Wazzu
07-08-2004, 00:45
can anyone here guess why battle ships arn't bliult any more? cuz there big slow and can be destroyed with a silge well placed missle. I call that thing a death trap.

Actually, battleships are smaller then carriers. They really aren't all that slow either. Moreover, they are better armored then any other type of ship, giving them MUCH better survivability then cruiser or carrier (and even a frigate can survive 2+ exoset anti-ship missiles).

Battleships aren't used in real life anymore because they have limited offensive capibility. In a world where a missile can strike a target from thousands of miles away, the rounds from a battleships guns are unguided, and can only strike over the horizon (5-15 miles, depending on height of the target) if they have a spotter...and even then the target might move, and wind, waves, and even Earth's rotation have to be taken into account (and the rounds still don't get too accurate).

Basically, the modern guided missile destroyer now has more and better firepower then the battleship. About all a battleship is good for now days is cheap shore bombardment.

******

But in space, who knows? Space is not the same environment. There isn't a horizon. There isn't an atmosphere (none-the-less wind), or water/waves, or a lot of other things. A battleship could be quite useful.

Besides which, battleships are just...cool! :)
The Mindset
07-08-2004, 00:49
Civilian crew on a war ship are you mad? there should be Miltary techs on board not Cilivians.

I have already explained this on the ESUS boards, so I will paste the response I gave there:

Several Mindsettian corporations helped fund the development and construction of these ships. They wished that a permenant maintenence crew be kept on board, on their payroll. The government saw no reason to disagree.
Being Nice
07-08-2004, 00:57
May I say? SABATOGE! :sniper: :sniper:
The Mindset
07-08-2004, 01:01
May I say? SABATOGE! :sniper: :sniper:

Only if I decide to RP it that way.... And I don't.
Wazzu
07-08-2004, 01:08
May I say? SABATOGE! :sniper: :sniper:

**Waits for 3 random old Angelus freighters loaded with anti-matter to come barreling out of FTL and just happening to each hit a different battleship at 99.9999999999999% the speed of light.**
Steel Butterfly
07-08-2004, 04:47
Only if I decide to RP it that way.... And I don't.

The fact is...now you're being unrealistic. Why your government would not have a problem putting civilians on a military ship is beyond me. You think they'll follow orders just like everyone else? Of course they wouldn't...but as you said...you plan on RPing everything going fine. That's what we like to call "Piss Poor"...and it's so easy to change. From an OOC standpoint, I don't see why you don't.
Ravea
07-08-2004, 04:53
How Much?

Just Kidding.

The ship is just.........Incredible. Amazing. Scrumpchulesent. Words can not express the crazyness of this ship.

I want one.......
The Mindset
07-08-2004, 15:03
The fact is...now you're being unrealistic. Why your government would not have a problem putting civilians on a military ship is beyond me. You think they'll follow orders just like everyone else? Of course they wouldn't...but as you said...you plan on RPing everything going fine. That's what we like to call "Piss Poor"...and it's so easy to change. From an OOC standpoint, I don't see why you don't.

Evidently you have no understanding of the "mindset" (no pun intended) of The Mindset, but I do see where you are coming from. Just because I have no intentions of RPing a mutiny right now doesn't mean there won't be one when a Battleforge begins to lose a battle.