NationStates Jolt Archive

Totals at post date

73,899,000 Combined service tally

33,000,000 Army Personnel
5,000,000 Marines
18,000,000 Navy
17,000,000 Air Force
899,000 Special Operations

Armored Units:

25,000 M1A2 Abrams Tanks
18,000 AA-9 Tanks (similar to Russian T-90)
20,000 M2A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicles
13,000 AA-12 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
4,000 AA-15 Mammoth Tanks
5,000 AMTRACs
4,000 Marine LAVs

70,000 Fuel Bowsers
62,000 ATAA-2 Heavy Transports
54,000 AT-3 HMMWV light combat transports

Air Force:
8,000 F-22 Raptor Air Superiority Fighters
4,000 JSF
5,000 F-15 Eagle Air Superiority Fighters
5,000 F-16 Fighter Bombers

3,000 F-111 Aarvarks
2,500 B-52 Mk. 2 Bombers (BUFFS)
145 B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers
105 B-3 Shade Bombers
275 F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighters.
400 B-1B Bombers

600 E-3B Awacs

2,500 RAH-66 Comanche Attack Helicopters
2,500 Blackhawk Helicopters
3,500 UH-1N Helicopters
3,500 Apache Attack Helicopters
2,500 Harrier Mk. 3 vertijets

Naval Aviation:

4,000 F/A 18 Fighter Bombers
2,500 F-14 Fighters
3,000 JSF Fighters

Navy
45 Battleships of the Norse II Class
30 Carrier Dreadnoughts of the Schlaeger Class
40 Nimitz Class Supercarriers
600 Aegis II Equipped cruisers
700 Aegis II Equipped destroyers
700 All purpose Frigates

500 Virginia Class Submarines
300 Los Angeles Class Submarines
300 Seawolf Class Submarines

200 Ohio Class Submarines (full nuclear complement not included in later tally of nuclear armament)

100 Andrewtinople Class Boomer Submarines (full nuclear complement not included in later tally of nuclear armament)

Nuclear Complement

20,000 Nuclear Warheads total

4,000 ICBMs
5,000 W40 Warheads for cruise missiles or gravity bombs.
20 orbiting warheads
20 Gigaton Warheads for use with B3 bomber

Experimental Corp:

200 Delta Class airships-armed with anti-missile lasers, airborne cruise missile launchers and Aegis III radar. Other defenses not detailed.

35 Anti-Missile laser satellites--Star Wars Program stuff

2 Space to ground Ion Cannon Satellites

<OOC:
*rolls over laughing at the massive godmode*

1 million special force? LOL A few thousand at most would reasonable.

First off, you need to consider logistics with your military. And cost. You have over 1,000 submarines. That's alot of money. And with 100 million people in your military -- you just lost a huge chunk of labour force that will support the nation's economy (and thus supporting the military funding). Last time I checked, New Genoa had about six million men/women in our military with roughly 10,000 tanks, a few hundred naval capital ships, and several thousands helicopters (from what I can remember. I can get official numbers if you want to wank that much.).

Try again.

My Military and I'm only a month older than you (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5159175&postcount=2)>

OOC:

Really, weakling?

The rule I have always been taught is that your military can max out at 4% or 5% of your population. And my population is 2.73 billion. And if I do a little mental arithmetic my military is...3.7% of my population!

Also, my economy can handle it, with a frightening economy and 100% tax rate, with economics and defense being two of the most important things going.


Fun Facts!
During WWII the US Military took over 17 million people up on its payroll! That's over 14% of the population! Were they God Moding?

The Chinese Military is of a number ranging from 10 million to 35 million individuals. Their population is smaller than yours yet their military is larger! Are they god moding?

Stalin is reported to have killed as many as 30 million people in his pre-WWII purges. That's a lot of people to take out of the economy.

So yeah. Try again dickhead.

Umm. The US has less than 1 percent in its army. The 5 percent rule is bullshit and most vets will agree with that. Look at North Korea. They have several percent in their military and their economy is in the crapper.

OOC: China does not have tens of millions of people in the military! It can muster something in the region of three million reasonably quickly and with some worthwhile degree of training and equipment, and usually has what, 1.8million in the army? Making it the largest in the (real) world by some way.

Now, the CPRD (that's Dra-pol, AKA North Korea On Steroids) has about two and a quarter billion residents, with over seventy million men and women in the UPA (Unified People's Army), six and a half million in the PAAF (People's Army Air Force), over a million in the (brown water) navy, and some two and a half million in the Red Bamboo (id est, the special forces), plus four reserve organisations accounting for over half a billion comrades (including 13yr old school girls and 60yr old men armed with 50yr old rifles and sub-machineguns, mind). This is entirely realistic, but not even a little bit sane.

The 4% thing is rather misleading, as it can be achieved and even sustained, but it does mean that the nation pretty much has to be played as an introspective and paranoid backwater of a hole with precious little else going for it. That's Dra-pol, then. Dra-pol has an all-consuming economy (last I checked) but I do not play it as such, because I don't think it is possible to have it both ways. These nations with frightening economies and X-hundred-million-men-under-arms are, I think (in my amature opinion), deluding themselves. You can't have an actual utopia overflowing with the luxury of a 1st world GDP while a third of that GDP is actually accounted for in basic rations provided to a hundred million soldiers who aren't contributing as much to that product as they're consuming. Does this make sense?

Dra-pol is a sham communism which has told its people that the world is out to get them, has withdrawn currency, closed its borders, cut most of its telecommunications links, and as such condemned its industry to a very narrow technology base and dedicated massive public works to simply keeping the weight of military might from collapsing on top of the leadership. Our GDP may be equivalent to an all-consuming economy, but we have no currency and provide precious few luxuries- the value of goods and services produced is accounted for by hundreds of thousands of antiquated armoured vehicles, countless tonnes of raw materials hauled by hand from the ground, and millions of tonnes of rice going right through the hands of the malnourished farmers into the mouthes of the malnourished soldiers, who curse the Christians and the capitalists for making all this necessary.

So, my point (eventually) is that laughing and crying Godmod! or whatever is not always justified in cases such as this, but that on the other hand, I really very much doubt that one can have it both ways. As I see it, Andaluciae must either reduce its military to a comfortably sustainable level that allows otherwise normal operation, or must take drastic measures to dedicate its public works to the military and to ensure that its people don't know what they're missing as a result of the concentration on the military.

I don't think that a free market capitalist economy could achieve this, thanks to the lack of public works and the absolute need for disposable product and a wider technology base than can be supported in isolation.

Again I add that this is all amature opinion, but so far as I can tell better informed than some of the hasty words cast before.

First: New Genoa

If you were to read the fact about the US Military properly, it would read "THE US MILITARY DURING WORLD WAR TWO". Illiterate wench.

Second: Dra-pol

I see your point. As such I shall be reducing my military. I will be taking it from its' current 3.7% of my population to 2.7% of my population. This will occur when I have more than 3 minutes with a computer. Thank you. My military will stay at the size of 73,899,000 for a few months. So that's all.

I was merely mentioning that the US, today, has less than 1 percent and they're considered to be the strongest in military might. No need to flame. Let me find you the thread that explains why vast militaries like such are unrealistic.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274393

(I'll bet you an incredibly huge military budget that there's nothing justifiable in the thread that changes any of my points :) )

First Dra-Pol: I won't be taking that bet because there isn't anything that goes against any of your points. My response was to New Genoa with its puny military. You are correct.

Secondly New Genoa: That doesn't mean that I can't have more than that, it just means that the US has less than one percent in its military. You have a way too small military for your own good.

Tada! Changed to 2.7% Hope that's groovy.