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I've got a little question for the space tech nations out there. I've observed that for quite a while now, the so-called "King of Space Tech" has had a reputation for brutally crushing...well, anyone he feels like crushing. Numerous times I've seen people saying things like "OMFG IT'S KLONOR SHIT SHIT SHIT WE'RE FUCKED RUN!"

What is it that makes Klonor so well known, and even feared, in NS Space? I respect Klonor's RPing ability and his military might, and given a choice I would prefer not to engage in combat with him, but I don't feel any fear at the prospect of pitting my space forces against his.

If you have any insights into what I believe is the highly exaggerated reputation of Klonor's military power, please post them.

EDIT: If you are not Space Tech or do not RP on the NS forums, please DO NOT VOTE in the poll!

You know, I'm sure that more than four people don't know who I am.

Come on Klonor. YOU AND ME. ONE ON ONE... LET'S DUKE IT OUT.

I would love to read that thread :)

lol, DN... Want to join in on the fun?

Yes I fear Klonor. The fact that he has more advanced tech than me (I'm also future tech) is the only reason. If we were on the same level I'd not be afriad to fight him. I'd jsut rather not

lol, DN... Want to join in on the fun?

I'd get my arse handed to me on a plate.

Not necessarily, DN... You'll screw me and Klonor over while we kill each other. You wait for the right moment and hand our arses to ourselves.

Maybe *Shifty eyes*

lol...

IMO, Klonor is neither super-powerful nor super-feared in NS. I don't mean any offense to him (hell, I'm not either), its just that he isn't in that bracket.

Right now, the poles of power (some would call it a monopole) are Menelmacar/Titan (semi-related, despite claims otherwise) and Melkor/METUS. Through various means, they have pushed every other major power block out of the limelight.

Many "regional" powers do remain though, and I'll grant Klonor does indeed lead one of them. But again, it isn't in the limelight.

Am I afraid of Klonor? No. Even in its current factioned/reduced-power state, Wazzu has been around long enough to survive (and do heavy damage back to) any one nation's or regional power block's assault. IMO, it would take one of the Major power blocks to beat Wazzu down.

However, my nation itself is quite paranoid, and afraid of many nations and alliances it perhaps should not be. Klonor's group isn't big on the list, but an incident would bring a lot of attention forward.

So, to summerize, Klonor is not feared NS-wide...at least not as Siri/Melkor used to be (and still somewhat are), or how a fair few other nations have been in the past.

This is really funny how you omit the existence of the Extra Solar Union of Systems. The ESUS is at present the most powerful space alliance in existence and with its multitude of members, including Mindset, Blademasters, Crystal Palais, Indra Prime, and myself, is more than a match for any other alliance and power block.

Considering my entire military is based on light craft and obscure, space-exclusive weapons like the Blastcloud pods, I have reason to fear Klonor, even though he-
Stop.
Hammer time.
DA na-na na, da-na, da-na. Can't touch this!

*covers face in embarrassment...*

Jeez... You're so immature...

Who the hell voted 'Yes'?

Wasn't me honest.

Should have had the pole option that shows who voted what.

My say:

I'd rather not fight him, but I don't fear the prospect.
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I take Klonor as an ally of my states. He is often thought to be a ruthless Imperialist, for some reason, however I can assure you - It is not true. People just tag him with that name because of his [non god-modded] uber ships.

Do I fear Klonor? No.
Would I fight him? If he pissed me off.
Would I win? Military-to-Military, Yes.
Is his power overstated? Yes.
My opinion of him? Pansy Boy w/ a stick.

Hey, I dare you to name one time I have even touched a stick!

<snippage>
Right now, the poles of power (some would call it a monopole) are Menelmacar/Titan (semi-related, despite claims otherwise) and Melkor/METUS. Through various means, they have pushed every other major power block out of the limelight.

I'm curious as to when Menelmacar came to equal Titan. Or in fact, when Titan came to equal Metus.

While Melkor is without a doubt the backbone and driving force of that alliance, Menelmacar is but a member of the Triumvirate of Yut - of no more control of it than myself that way. Siri is not on the ruling council - which consists of Scolopendra, Karmabaijan, and Berserker (formerly Suunto). While she does have a colony on Titan, she is, to my knowledge, there by the grace of the 3 alliance founders who made that their home.

I can understand the obvious 'poles' reference between Menelmacar and Melkor Unchained, but I'd think by now folks would understand those basic differences. After all, it isn't as though ample information isn't available that way within easy reach, or indeed, asking.

As for Klonor ... *shrugs* Only time I ever rp'ed at all in any sort of capacity with him was in Guanyu's thread, so I wouldn't really know. It hasn't seemed the sort of thing I'd logically be involved with.

This is really funny how you omit the existence of the Extra Solar Union of Systems. The ESUS is at present the most powerful space alliance in existence and with its multitude of members, including Mindset, Blademasters, Crystal Palais, Indra Prime, and myself, is more than a match for any other alliance and power block.

I hate to break it to you, but ESUS would be trounced on by either of the two main power blocks in NS.

I'm curious as to when Menelmacar came to equal Titan. Or in fact, when Titan came to equal Metus.

While Melkor is without a doubt the backbone and driving force of that alliance, Menelmacar is but a member of the Triumvirate of Yut - of no more control of it than myself that way. Siri is not on the ruling council - which consists of Scolopendra, Karmabaijan, and Berserker (formerly Suunto). While she does have a colony on Titan, she is, to my knowledge, there by the grace of the 3 alliance founders who made that their home.

I can understand the obvious 'poles' reference between Menelmacar and Melkor Unchained, but I'd think by now folks would understand those basic differences. After all, it isn't as though ample information isn't available that way within easy reach, or indeed, asking.

As for Klonor ... *shrugs* Only time I ever rp'ed at all in any sort of capacity with him was in Guanyu's thread, so I wouldn't really know. It hasn't seemed the sort of thing I'd logically be involved with.

Please don't missunderstand. I know there is a physical and legal difference between Menelmacar and ToY...and even more so then between those two powers and Melkor/METUS. It is just that it doesn't always work that way.

Menelmacar (and elf groupies) and Titan usually seem to side together against Melkor's METUS (and against other evil alliances before it). And all the above seem to side together when any other power block threatens to become mainstream.

Hense while there is a legal and physically difference between the nation of Menelmacar (and elf nations in general) and ToY, and between those and Melkor/METUS, the powers that be often find themselves strange (and not so strange) bedfellows in politics.


EDIT: Oh, and that said, I believe that other then Yut and METUS, Siri's gang, the Raumreich, and the NDA (Non-Democratic Alliance, did I get that right?) are three such "regional" powers that would also trounce on ESUS.

Odd ... I can't recall any time of late that particular alliance of mine has done anything to thwart the development of other alliances. In fact, I'm trying hard to remember any time they've done that.

What Menelmacar does or does not that way does not always reflect the views of the rest of the Triumvirate, much as my actions do not always represent them as well. One of the benefits, and at times, hazards of belonging to an alliance that does not try to micromanage its members I suppose, but there you have it.

I also have to point out that we are not, as you put it, 'elf groupies'. The fact that I am allied with Siri via the Triumvirate is all fine and well, but I hate to break it to folks - she wasn't even a factor in why I joined. True, I can't speak for everyone, but it is something to take into account.

The fact that many within the Trium are rather strongly opposed to the ideas that Melkor, and in turn, Arda and Metus represent, I think is a more valid measure of comparison, rather than whether or not they harbor elven sympathies. One needn't have anything to do with elves to have an opinion one way or the other about either group, after all.

Thanks for the plug on the NDA, btw. Whether or not we could trounce ESUS or not is beside the point really, as it's not in our natures to go around overcompensating. Besides, depending on how folks rp, and what they will or will not accept plays a key role in deciding who wins and who loses anyway. I'm not so sure it's as easy as you think it is to say who's the biggest baddest around when there are so many different tech levels, circles of play, rp'ing communities on here that blissfully go about their business without paying the rest of us the least bit of attention, and most likely laugh quietly at statements like 'Melkor and Siri Rule NS' and such.

Just an observation, really. We do tend to operate with blinders, all of us to one extent or other, when rp'ing after all. It's hard to see that which lies outside our realm of experience. And that which we don't know, we can't truly rationally comment on with any real hope of accuracy.

At any rate, carry on. It's late, and I'm rambling. ;)

Meh, anyone who uses Elves in their military is obviously inferior to Skeelzania's, so I don't fear Klonor, Mnelemcar, or any other "elf" nations. I do have a healthy respect for Klonor's military though.

These threads always really come down to popularity, and who is perceived the most _qualityX_ out of _roleplayingcircleB_ by the most people (usually, who are also out of the same RPing circle).

And since I just don't RP with every circle my nation has no actualized IC opinion of everyone. Klonor for example. Not that I actively avoid or ignore said circle(s). It just hasn't come up yet.

And I'd have to say the "power blocks" Wazzu described simply sound like roleplayingcircles. Comparing roleplaying circles that don't interact (like the Triumverate with the ESUS) is like comparing apples and oranges, at least until they DO interact on a level we can draw conclusions from. And even then it depends on who's doing the concluding.

Anyway, would my nation fear Klonor? Probably not. They're consumers, they fear losing their 12 for $1 donut coupons more than any foreign powers. On a military level, again probably not.

I could swear this exact thread and poll was posted a few months ago (hey even the date on the original post says it was), and there were replies also posted a few months ago, but apparently they were all posted today. That or the forums are going weird on me.

Anyhow, back to the question... I don't really fear fighting Klonor, a war between us would have many casualties on both sides. A victor? No idea.

My nation likes to take the stance of fearing everyone that isn't us. In this way, all are equal in our eyes. Therefore, Klonor, you are as scary to us as that tiny little nation in the corner huddling over a campfire with clubs that have spikes nailed in, and I can honestly say that without being insulting or egotistical. XD