NationStates Jolt Archive

From godmodding, and ignoring legitimate factors just because it puts him in a bad position, to flaming and whining, TFU has done it all.

He has a history of such behavior, and hasn't gotten any better about it.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=329251&page=1&pp=15
The first piece of evidence. He starts by godmodding his fleet, only to have everyone call him on that.
What does he do once he starts losing the war? Ignores it. Just because he's losing.

And it gets worse! Not only does he try to ignore wars, he also trys another godmod. While whining the whole time about how he lost the war he's trying to change. Apparently, pointing out that someone is godmoding is flaming, too!
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=329381

And then there's the most recent known example of TFU's Ignore Tactics, Godmoding, Flaming, and Whining.

See attachment.

This is an MSM convo, copied and pasted word for word from the window and put into MS Word to maintain the colors and tabbing. The arguement is regarding a technology created by Mekanta. The R-Jammer. It's a piece of hardware that has a solid physics explaination, purposely made so that it has workarounds and limitations. For reference, the R-Jammer.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341574

It was ignored by TFU. Why? Because it puts him at a disadvantage. And we all know TFU can never be at a disadvantage. He's just too perfect to be at a disadvantage. He claimed to have several major nations supporting the ignore against the R-Jammer. One of those nations he claimed was ignoring it was Wormia.

The problem: Wormia never ignored it. He never heard of it. TFU outright lied, putting words into the mouth of another player to satisfy his own means. And then after we tossed arguements, he began outright flaming.

It's this kind of n00bish behavior that ruins NS. That is why I'm sorely tempted to use this very evidence to propose an NS-wide Ignore against TFU's presence in Future Tech.

I know any reasonable intelligent nation would see this evidence against TFU as proof of his inability to operate as a good RPer. Thank you.

you know about the time travel thing it really doesn't matter if he goes back in time because reality would police itself and instead of going to the same dimension he is actually in he would be thrown into the multiverse and would come out at(or create) a similar yet slightly different dimension where those extra forces came in from the future.

So the time travel would have no effect on the actual war. And if he sent his forces back in time they would just be stuck in that dimension or be sent to another similar dimension.

Reading through the attached threads I must make the comment that despite the flaws in TFU's RP abilities many of the participants exhibit many of the same problems. Both threads are boring and focus on the technology involved and the huge numbers rather than any story. There are virtually no posts from a character viewpoint, and again virtually no posts discussing the reasons for said conflict from a character perspective. When it comes right down to it these posts read like a chess match - King's Fleet to B4.

On the subject of this technology...

A gun is a gun is a gun. It is unwise to assume that everyone who RP's has the same knowledge of technology and physics as you may have - and trying to force that knowledge on them is just as unwise. Not 'taking damage' (as much as I hate the whole concept) because they are not a technology buff and do not have the same weapons as you is unreasonable and unfair.

This is not to say that someone who doesn't know about technology should pretend they do. One lesson I have learned is that when dealing with a physicist it is best to avoid any reference to numbers and technologies that you don't know anything about. Write the story, avoid number and technology, focus on character actions and interactions, and again - focus on the story.

lol... Good job Mekanta... You've really stuck it to him this time.

I've looked over it, in detail.

1.)
By claiming the whole UTA's forces under his direct operation, he could technically be puppeteering. However, as the defender in this matter, he can be justified in setting forth the conditions of engagement, and all the parties in question appear perfectly willing to operate vs the UTA as a whole.

2.)
His initial fleet claims are indeed high. The later claims are a bit more reasonable in terms of overall size, but still quite high for a population of 9 billion. The ship numbers aren't so bad, but enough of them are big ships that he tops out past 8 billion cubic meters of shipping on readily identifiable Star Trek ships (Akira, Excelsior, Sovereign, Defiant) alone. Considering that most of them are warships and assuming an average density of 0.1 g/cm, this would put him in at just past the overall TCF tonnage for the sum total forces of a combined alliance. All in all, this is not as horrorifically bad by a long shot. When we add in the handful of what appear to be SSDs and other non-Trek ships, the cubage gets much bigger in a hurry. I'd recommend that TFU try sticking to running Trek ships, as he seems to know them much more intimately.

3.)
The godmoddery and poor RP habits is not limited to TFU in the threads linked. He is perfectly justified in choosing to ignore the "R-jammer" or claiming to have a counteracting field on hand after the first encounter... to put it politely. You have no justification, in RP or physical terms, for forcing him to accept it.

4.)
The amount of constructive RP after you collectively derided his fleet was practically nothing. I've locked two of the threads in question and will shortly be ejecting them from II. I can see I have some work to do in enforcing the minimum quality and RP ettiquette standards of II.

you know about the time travel thing it really doesn't matter if he goes back in time because reality would police itself and instead of going to the same dimension he is actually in he would be thrown into the multiverse and would come out at(or create) a similar yet slightly different dimension where those extra forces came in from the future.

So the time travel would have no effect on the actual war. And if he sent his forces back in time they would just be stuck in that dimension or be sent to another similar dimension.

Actually, it would. It all depends on how he (and the others involved) RP the nature of the time/space continuum. There are a number of different acceptable theories.

Reading through the attached threads I must make the comment that despite the flaws in TFU's RP abilities many of the participants exhibit many of the same problems. Both threads are boring and focus on the technology involved and the huge numbers rather than any story. There are virtually no posts from a character viewpoint, and again virtually no posts discussing the reasons for said conflict from a character perspective. When it comes right down to it these posts read like a chess match - King's Fleet to B4.


well TFU never gave the war a chance, when he saw that he was out nummbered what was it 5 to 1 he ignored the war, i had the story planed out that someone would leak him the infomation of the attack and proof that it was me but TFU being TFU he ignored it to me TFU is a n00b one of the biggest out there, i've given him 100s of chances i tryed to make interesting RPs with him but each time he would Ignore it or godmod in it, exsamples are thing like:

Vote of no confedance in TFU as UTA leader he took it personaly and chucked me out of the UTA and declared war (even tho i told him on MSN i was trying to make an RP (tho i did feel the vote was just at the time))

the mutiply TFU/CorpSac wars (he never gave a chance)

TFU will ignore anything that gets in his way, he cryed to a mod to delete him after he got glassed (the most n00bish thing i ever heard) in my eyes a Nationstate Wide ignore might do him some good and start RPing even if he loses. i've tryed to help him, but he didnt want it.

You did not give the war a chance either. There was little to no constructive RP work done on either side.

Er... how is this not flamebaiting?

Er... how is this not flamebaiting?


Ahh, yes, thank you for reminding me... there was much flaming in the linked threads, as well.

It is quite clear that a number of players need to change their habits of behavior.

Anything can be flamebaiting if you're looking for a reason to flame. I'm just trying to make a point here.

Anyone who wants to make a logical counterpoint, like Sunset and TJHairball did is perfectly welcome to.


Speaking of which, both made perfectly valid counterpoints in ways, but left open in others. But then, when everything is reletive and subject to distorted view, what isn't?

Are we RPing people, or nations? Granted, the two are one and the same when you factor in idiosyncratic (sp?) variables. The answer lies in the individual RP, and the RPer. And since we're dealing with Future Tech, it's even more complex since some nations are hiveminds.


Technology is the other issue. When you're dealing with different nations with such huge variations in technology, it's hard not to have it come into play.

RP is important, but so is strategy. Why? Because to RP as a nation, or the people of a nation, you'd have to think that way. Against foes who want you dead, survival is the most critical thing. It's not like in modern tech, where a missile is a missile. You have to deal with logic and variables that come into play with different kinds of tech.

Eh. I suppose going straight to the NS-wide ignore thread would be more efficient.

Being confronted with your mistakes kinda feels like having an eggbeater jammed down your throat, doesn't it? I should know.

Maybe you'll learn. Perhaps then you'll get the respect you seem to think you deserve, and people will start taking you seriously.

Anything can be flamebaiting if you're looking for a reason to flame. I'm just trying to make a point here.And what, pray tell, is that point?

You post numerous examples of TFU's role-playing, and that it doesn't mesh with your concept of what proper role-play is. Sunset and TJ mention that, by their standards, your role-play is not all that hot either. Should we thus start a thread with a poll calling you a "n00b" and a godmodder?

That is why I'm sorely tempted to use this very evidence to propose an NS-wide Ignore against TFU's presence in Future Tech.And here is the crux of the problem. The last time someone called for an "NS-wide Ignore", the thread was locked, and the player warned. That sort of thing only leads to problems. An "ignore" is a personal option, and now with vB, you can literally ignore a player. Click on their name, and select to ignore them. I strongly suggest that course of action over childish threads that to little more than provoke other players.

It's this kind of n00bish behavior that ruins NS.Ad hominem, and the kind of pointless elitism demonstrated in this thread is just as much a source of ruination as TFU's behavior. Which is to say, none at all.

You don't like how TFU plays? Don't play with him. Why is this concept so bloody difficult? If you see a thread by TFU don't post in it. If TFU posts in one of your threads, politely ask him to leave. If he refuses, report it to the Mods, and we'll deal with it. Or, better yet, quit yammering about "ignore cannons" and calling for "NS-wide ignores", and just use the function programed into the forum. You'll never see another post by him again.

Threads like this are not an option.

I know any reasonable intelligent nation would see this evidence against TFU as proof of his inability to operate as a good RPer. Thank you.Completely uncalled for.

I see no reason to let this thread continued, especially now that the slighted party has expressed his dismay. If someone wants to debate role-playing methods, that's fine. Starting threads that have little purpose other than bitching about another player (no matter how nicely it's dressed up) are clearly unacceptable, and not welcome on these boards. This thread was little more than flame and flamebait, starting with the chosen title, and permiating the majority of the posts.

Locked.