NationStates Jolt Archive

I tried to do this before on the old board. But well, that didn't last too long. Plus I only got six replies. So let's try this again...

The Cherry Cup is NationStates premier Ice Hockey tournament. Currently in the 5th tournament, the action's still good. Now's your chance to gain some glory and bring the Cherry Cup to your home country. Also, bids for hosting the tourney can be put up.

One team playing in the tournament per person. So you can't register puppets or second nations.

Just fill out the following information:

Your Country:
Is this a puppet?: (if so, of what)
Would you bid to host the tourney?:

Pretty much that is it. Thanks for signing up, and see you on the ice. More news as it happens.

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EDIT Section:

Here's the current listing of teams that have signed up for CC6.
* = in running for hosting tournament

- The Gulf States
- Celack*
- Vilita
- Starblaydia
- Krytenia
- Liverpool England*
- Lovisa
- Anti-Nazis
- Wella
- Squornshelous*
- Surda
- The Belmore Family
- Aquiliana
- Kalaallit Nunaat
- Kaze Progressa
- Esth
- The Lowland Clans
- Dennisov
- Castillanos
- Iansisle (*?)
- Tanah Burung

(current total: 21)

Celack: not a puppet

Will bid to host tournament.

Are the 6 that signed up, still signed up?!?

If not Please Re-Sign me up.

Are the 6 that signed up, still signed up?!?

If not Please Re-Sign me up.

Ditto for me. Starblaydia, not bidding.

Signup.



BTW, not a puppet, no hosting.

Yes, LE signs up and bids to host. I want to get some life back into this.

I don't have a list of the old six teams that signed up. Then again, I'm going to guess half of them have already replied here and the other half were newbies.

This is also the part where I sign the Gulf States up again. For whoever else is running the tournament next year.

Lovisa join

Anti-Nazis will join

Wella interesting to join

finrods join too

Your Country: Squornshelous
Is this a puppet?: no
Would you bid to host the tourney?: I don't have that kind of free time.

List updated to this point.

Keep it coming. Any ol' CC veterans wanna take a stab at another year?

Surda'll join.
Not a puppet.
No bid.

(If I seem... ungood, when I RP, don't be angwy. This is my first RP in... long... time.)

Your Country: The Belmore Family
Is this a puppet?: No
Would you bid to host the tourney?: No, but willing to help people put a bid together and willing to advise Kalliat Nunnat and TGS in deciding hosts of this thing.

Would you bid to host the tourney?: No, but willing to help people put a bid together and willing to advise Kalliat Nunnat and TGS in deciding hosts of this thing.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

*oh, and another bump*

The Aquiliana Falcons say No and No.

The 11th-place finshers have been put on ice floes and floated out to sea. An all-new line-up will take to the ice this year. And thanks for persisting with this season, TGS!

The Progressans return, though surprisingly not bidding for hosting.

when start?

Finrods is a puppet and should not be allowed into the tournament.

Your Country: Esth
Is this a puppet?: no
Would you bid to host the tourney?: no

Finrods is a puppet and should not be allowed into the tournament.

What I did with selecting who would play in Cherry Cup 6 was to take out some of the newbie nations and the ones with really low post totals. That way, I'd know who'd be sticking around for the whole season.

16 of 18 nations survived the entire season - didn't get deleted. Iansisle blocked TG's from me. So that means 15 was left.

I probably would have done the similar method for CC6, although it probably should be more to new hosts than me to decide.

Anyway, anyone else want to join? Should we start this soon, or should we hold out for more nations to join up? I think I'm still missing some big names from this tournament.

It says "No Puppets" and Finrods is a puppet. If It didnt say "No Puppets" then i too would have entered my puppet. But it says "No Puppets" and Finrods is and i quote from World Cup Signups) "Puppet of Lovisa"

Well, thanks for catching that for me.

Your Country: Dennisov
Is this a puppet?: No *quick hide the strings*
Would you bid to host the tourney?: No

The Allied States of the Lowland Clans is not a puppet and would not like to put in a hosting bid, but would enjoy an attempt for the Cherry Cup.

yes thats right Finrods is my coutry puppet. Ok if cant start puppet nation, then Finrod withdraw in this list.

Yeah, I removed Finrods from the list a few days ago. In the original post I did say (in bold) that only one country per person can register.

In the meanwhile, I have 18 countries in this so far. Does anyone want to start the tourney soon? Cause this registration process is taking a while and things need to get moving.

sippeecupp would like to join
not a puppet

18 seems like an okay number to me.

Squornshelous has decided that we will bid to host this tournament.

So far, the hosting bids are: Celack, Liverpool England, and Squornshelous. All pretty good candidates. Decision should be made soon.

So far, the hosting bids are: Celack, Liverpool England, and Squornshelous. All pretty good candidates. Decision should be made soon.

Can the Island Emirate of Turori bid to Host even though they are not signed up?

Can the Island Emirate of Turori bid to Host even though they are not signed up?

As long as you note that Turori is Vilita's Puppet [/attempt to shoot down Vil's evil plans]

It's good to see the interest in hosting. I'd like to hear from potential hosts if they plan a "season" like TGS did, or a return to the old "cup" format, and anyone else on preferences as to one or the other.

I am considering developing a new ranking system in advance of the next Cherry Cup, which would both benefit those who did well this time, and those who did poorly as result of no weigh being given to rank this season. Comments welcome.

There have been five Cherry Cups. Your rank going in to Cherry Cup 6 would be determined by averaging your performance over all Cups you took part in (or at least all the ones i can find in the forums. anyone have links to previous Cups that can be accessed since the change-over?)

Back on the old board, I could only find the one from Cherry Cup 4. Probably would be over here, wouldn't it?

If it is still possible, The Hockey Team of Castillanos would like to join the Cherry Cup.

Your Country: Castillanos
Is this a puppet?: No
Would you bid to host the tourney?: No

Liverpool England's hosting bid will stick with the tried-and-tested cup method.

As there seem to be 20 teams at this point, if Squornshelous were to be selected to host, they would be divided into two 10 team groups, who would play a double round-robin. After that, the top four of each group would advance to knockout stages.

Well, any opinions so far by anyone as to which one of these three should host?

Based on cumulative performance over the past five Cups, here are the rankings of active countries, to be sued in generating slightly-weighted results for the next Cup. I hope that a couple of the teams with ranks will come back for Cherry Cup 6. Points are assigned to CC5 and CC4 on an equal footing (10 points for first, nine for second etc, with one point for just being there). The same points have been awarded for CC1-3 on a declining scale: CC3 gets 8 points for first, CC2 6 points for first etc (this lowers point total for me and Soviet Haaregrad but no one else). Ex-nations are omitted, icluding some former champions (Eizen, SterlingIce) who would have done well. Point totals assume a Starblaydia win, if not give one point from them to Tanah Burung, making only a minor change. Cumulative points are:

1. Soviet Haaregrad 21 (CC2 winners)
2. Kalaallit Nunaat 19 (Best finish: 2nd. Repeatedly)
3. The Gulf States 18 (Best finish: semifinalist)
4. The Belmore Family 16 (Best finish: semifinalist)
5=. Iansisle 14 (Best finish: 2nd)
5=. Tanah Burung 14 (or 15)
7. Walmington on Sea 13 (best finish: semifinalist)
8. Starblaydia 10 (or 9)
9=. Liverpool England 8
9=. Kaze Progressa 8
10. Dennisov 5
11=. Daistallia 4
11=. NEWI Cefn Druids 4
13. Wella (and any other teams that have played before) 1
15. New teams 0

Previous hosts are welcome to vote for the next host. It appears that we will be using a Cup rather than season method regardless. Previous hosts are: Kalaallit Nunaat, Kaze Progressa, The Belmore Family, The Gulf States. Please let me know your vote by telegram. And finally, another word of thanks to TGS for persisting with this season.

As it seems that the Cherry Cup is at last under the administration of those of us who are sane - thanks, KN - Iansisle will put in a bid again.

I accept the standings of the last Cherry Cup as far as rankings are concerned - it would be unfair to the good people who ranked high to discount their achievements just because someone else screwed up - but I am keeping in place my complete ignore of everything that happened. My people will have no memory of what took place during that time, and any references to it will be met with blank stares and accusations of lunacy. It should also be noted that I started the ignore early in the season, when the Gulls were in second place but it was obvious that the system being used was utterly ridiculous and unfair.

In conclusion, thank you to KN for helping to restore one of the best sports tournaments to what it had once been.

(You could always say CC5 was a really good acid trip by a TB player... *winks furiously and falls asleep again*)

This is where i say oops for forgetting to sign up and thanks for the heads-up to do so. Now that i have a good team, i'll have to think of something else to say about them though!

If there were twenty teams, and Celack were hosting the tournament, we would split them into four pools of teams, each 5 teams full. We would then round robin in the pools, and the winnners would advance. The four winners would then be tournament style with winner of pool 1 going agianst pool 2 and the winners of pools 3&4 would play each other. The winning teams would then face each other for the championship.

The city we are planning on using to host the tournament is a lovely seaside town with the needed facilities and several things for players to do in their free time. This city has a low crime rate yet a high amount of hotels.I shall post pictures later.

I think the idea Celack has is very good, but I think that the top two of each pool moves on to the tournament round would be better...

I accept the standings of the last Cherry Cup as far as rankings are concerned <snip> but I am keeping in place my complete ignore of everything that happened. My people will have no memory of what took place during that time, and any references to it will be met with blank stares and accusations of lunacy.

Somehow I'd already noticed that during our World Cup 16 Matches :D

Liverpool England's bid:
First Round: 20teams/2 teams per match = 10 matches/10teams left
Second Round: 10teams/2teams per match = 5 matches/5 teams left
Third Round: 5 teams in a round-robin group, each team playing each other twice. Winner will be the winner of the group, with no final.

In conclusion, thank you to KN for helping to restore one of the best sports tournaments to what it had once been.

Yeah. I only bid for CC5 because nobody else did, gave it a shot. Failed horribly yeah. At least I kept the tournament going, and the fact I did it so horribly may be a blessing for the next few cups - don't do it like me.

EDIT: Uh, there's also now 21 nations. Dunno how this affects everything, or if the eventual host wants to drop the most likely lame duck, or something.

keeping the tournament going is not to be underestimated, and its good that there are several possible hosts this time.

last chance to send me host selection votes, or i'll just decide myself.

the best side in CC history, soviet haaregrad can't be with us this time. so everyone move up one rank. wasn't that fun?

Last-chance-to-sign-up bump.

And just for extra fun...

my last bump

>Your Country:

Trakken will send a team.

>Is this a puppet?: (if so, of what)

? - No.

>Would you bid to host the tourney?:

Not this year.

With twenty-two nations signed up, the LE bid now works like this:
Twenty nations play each other in the preliminary round, with the host and defending champions getting byes.
The remaining ten nations form three groups of four with the two nations that received byes, from which the group winner goes through. the best second-placed team also qualifies.
The four teams then play the semi-final round, with the two winners facing off in the final.

Twenty nations play each other in the preliminary round, with the host and defending champions getting byes.
The remaining ten nations form two groups of five, from which the top three per group go through.
The six teams each then play in a quarter-final with another of the six teams or the two teams that received byes.


Even as the Defending Champion I'd say that's really unfair on everyone else for the host&champ to have a 2-round bye (as it appears to me, correct me if i'm misinterpreting it) and go straight to the quarters. Not that I can think of any other way of doing it, mind you.

Well, this is the only way I can imagine doing a 22-team competition.

EDIT: First post edited.

May I propose to someone: 4 pools. Two pools have 5 teams, the other two have six.

Or, take the two/four nations with the least amounts of time and posts in NS and make them face each other. The two teams that survive, based on RP ability(?), go on to another pool round. Four pools of 5.

This might make interesting reading:

1. The Gulf States (3)
2. Celack*
3. Vilita
4. Starblaydia (8)
5. Krytenia
6. Liverpool England* (9)
7. Lovisa
8. Anti-Nazis
9. Wella (13)
10. Squornshelous*
11. Surda
12. The Belmore Family (4)
13. Aquiliana
14. Kalaallit Nunaat (2)
15. Kaze Progressa (9)
16. Esth
17. The Lowland Clans
18. Dennisov (10)
19. Castillanos
20. Iansisle * (5)
21. Tanah Burung (5)
22. Trakken
Ten Ranked
Twelve Not

So I suggest a prlim takes place, 2 groups of 6 for all new comers and the bottom of each group are out
you then have 20 teams where you can do:

4 groups of 5, top 2/3 go into a knockout stage.

If any bid takes up this system I may ammend my vote.

I suggest a prlim takes place, 2 groups of 6 for all new comers and the bottom of each group are out
you then have 20 teams where you can do:

4 groups of 5, top 2/3 go into a knockout stage.

I'd say this is the best system so far, perhaps even the best system full-stop.

This might make interesting reading:

So I suggest a prlim takes place, 2 groups of 6 for all new comers and the bottom of each group are out
you then have 20 teams where you can do:

4 groups of 5, top 2/3 go into a knockout stage.

If any bid takes up this system I may ammend my vote.


Let me suggest this:

split the 12 n00bs into 2 group of 6

The top half (3 in each group) advance.

That leaves 16 teams. Just like the NHL Playoffs. Now we're set, it should be clear from there!

Any other proposals from the other host-hopefuls?

Does mine count for anything i dont want to host::

split the 12 n00bs into 2 group of 6

The top half (3 in each group) advance.

That leaves 16 teams. Just like the NHL Playoffs. Now we're set, it should be clear from there!

Well, just hope you can convince (bribe) someone to take it.

And I'd rather see another round of pool play before the playoffs begin.

I'd rather see us avoid the preliminary pools, it's way complicated.

Four groups, two of five and two of six, sounds sensible to me. Or two groups of 11, which means a lot of games, but still works.

Official announcement.

A hush falls over the room. A drum roll starts. President-for-life Susan Aglukark warbles out a little song.

Who's it gonna be for CC6?
H! E! Double hockey sticks!
Hey don't fret and hey don't fuss
Host is gonna be ...
Squornshelous!

Ok, here's how it's going to work. We are in a tournament format with two group rounds followed by a sinlge elimination playoff.

the top 3 teams and the host nation will not play in the first group round.

There will be three groups of six, each will play a double round robin in the following format:

Gameday 1:
6 v 1
4 v 2
5 v 3

Gameday 2:
1 v 3
2 v 6
5 v 4

Gameday 3:
5 v 1
3 v 2
6 v 4

Gameday 4:
1 v 4
2 v 5
3 v 6

Gameday 5:
1 v 2
3 v 4
6 v 5

Gamedays 6-10 will be the same teams.

The top two teams of each group will advance to the next round. In addition, the two other teams with the best overall point totals (win=2 pts tie=1 pt points will not be awarded for OT losses) The second round will consist of 2 groups of 6 teams each. This time it will be a single round-robin, in this format (same as first round):

Gameday 1:
1 v 6
2 v 4
3 v 5

Gameday 2:
1 v 3
2 v 6
4 v 5

Gameday 3:
1 v 5
2 v 3
4 v 6

Gameday 4:
1 v 4
2 v 5
3 v 6

Gameday 5:
1 v 2
3 v 4
5 v 6

The top two teams of each group will advance, the 1st place team of one group will play the second place team of the other and vice versa. The winners of those games will play for the championship and the losers will play for third place.

I think the format is good Squorn. Will you be signing up for the Slani Cup?

URL : http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350986

Nice piece of advice, don't spam up other people's topics. Thanks.

Here is the final list of nations participating, sign ups are closed.

1. The Gulf States (3)
2. Celack*
3. Vilita
4. Starblaydia (8)
5. Krytenia
6. Liverpool England* (9)
7. Lovisa
8. Anti-Nazis
9. Wella (13)
10. Squornshelous*
11. Surda
12. The Belmore Family (4)
13. Aquiliana
14. Kalaallit Nunaat (2)
15. Kaze Progressa (9)
16. Esth
17. The Lowland Clans
18. Dennisov (10)
19. Castillanos
20. Iansisle * (5)
21. Tanah Burung (5)
22. Trakken


P.S.
Does anyone have any bright ideas for determining the groups aside of pulling names out of a hat?

Here is the final list of nations participating, sign ups are closed.

1. The Gulf States (3)
2. Celack*
3. Vilita
4. Starblaydia (8)
5. Krytenia
6. Liverpool England* (9)
7. Lovisa
8. Anti-Nazis
9. Wella (13)
10. Squornshelous*
11. Surda
12. The Belmore Family (4)
13. Aquiliana
14. Kalaallit Nunaat (2)
15. Kaze Progressa (9)
16. Esth
17. The Lowland Clans
18. Dennisov (10)
19. Castillanos
20. Iansisle * (5)
21. Tanah Burung (5)
22. Trakken


P.S.
Does anyone have any bright ideas for determining the groups aside of pulling names out of a hat?

I can do the groups (seeded of course :) )

Here is the RP thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6873925#post6873925

Vilita, that would be great, the seedings are in the new thread.