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After having RP'ed with the founder of of the Ali'staan Accord (Allanea) and several of it's members , I have decided that I shall ignore them all. I have only ignored one nation in the past, but the continued irritation by the Accord and it's members make me take the final step to ignore them as a whole.

I have a whole host of reasons to ignore them, but here is a brief list:

1.)Refusing to follow simple RP etiquette: Examples of this is Allanea, Ponte Vedra and others starting threads that involve my nation, my region and my allies, without informing anyone. They then call me a bad RP'er for not responding sufficently to a thread that I was not even aware of. The latest example is here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153390&highlight=

In this thread Ponte Vedra moves his fleet and forces into an area that my forces are currently occupying ( http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150116&highlight= ) , when I deployed my forces, I promptly TG'ed Allanea (leader of the Accord) and let him know what was up, and the thread it was occuring in.

Ponte Vedra mentions my forces and my deployment but makes no attempt to a.) contact me to see how they would respond b.) RP actually getting past them

When I then accidentally discover the thread and make a brief post he immediately becomes abusive and questions my RP ability. I thought that it was standard practice that when RPing something in response to someone elses RP that you let them know, I always do.

2.) Making brief posts with no information: The best example of this starts here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138154&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=200

After making detailed posts, requesting additional information, TGing the involved participants, I then waited two days and received no responses. When I finally did receive responses they were one line and carried no useful RP info. (The Empire of Yallack, is notable by having responded promptly) Allanea made no attempt to make any sort of descriptive posts or to even elaborate on anything that was going on.

3.)Making dozens of threads on the same topic: I won't list all of the threads, but even now, as the Accord builds up it's forces to invade Haven (my region) there are 5 seperate threads on it (that I know of!) one of these being the Ponte Vedra thread mentioned above. How can I RP if the people that I am allegedly RPing with make thread after thread on the same subject and make no attempt to keep anyone (but themselves) informed?

4.) Citing OOC reasons for IC actions: This post directly from the Ali'Staan Accord boards illustrates this perfectly:

"Allanea Posted: Jun 2 2004, 03:52 AM
Accord President
One should understand, first and foremost, that Edolia is a threat not only to Allanea but to the entire accord.

They have made (OOC) statements that they will fight Allanea for as long as they are in NS.

The aim should be not just to capture Axackal, but to reduce Edolia's long-term power to threaten us.

Further, as to FluffyWuffy's plan, one must remember the they will probably send troops in through Scandavian states."

That speaks for itself, OOC reasons to justify IC military actions, absolutely terrific RP.


I don't like to ignore people, so I've laid out my reasons. If anyone thinks I'm reacting too strongly, then by all means let me know. I think I have made abundantly clear my reasoning and just so everyone doesen't think I'm a 'sore-loser' I've actually WON every engagement with Allanea it's allies and their armed forces.

Good Role-Play is NOT about winning.

1. Ponte Vedra has never moved fleet nor force into the area you are "occupying", as his forces were unloaded on our Northern shores.

2. You yourself have "won engagements" by ignoring RP etiquette (posting again without letting others respond) and by (later on) pretending to be a peace keeper so you wouldn't be fired on.

1. Ponte Vedra has never moved fleet nor force into the area you are "occupying", as his forces were unloaded on our Northern shores.

2. You yourself have "won engagements" by ignoring RP etiquette (posting again without letting others respond) and by (later on) pretending to be a peace keeper so you wouldn't be fired on.

1.) READ Ponte Vedra's post, he specifically states that his men will be unloading in the SOUTHWESTERN quarter of the nation, it's in the first paragraph!

2.) I only received one compaint about my RP etiquette and that was when I became annoyed with Nahashir, which was bad and wrong I'll admit my mistakes. On average I waited 48 hours for you to post (look at the thread), and Ruhr (Ponte Vedra) the acting moderator of the conflict had no issue with me posting after waiting , in one case I waited 5 days for Flufgfywuffy to post. Most nations only wait 24 hours before giving a prod, you had plenty of time. I also noticed that the days I was waiting for you to post, you WERE POSTING IN OTHER THREADS.

I can call my soldiers whatever I want in IC, I can call them peacekeepers, ice-cream men or practically anything. That is not a breach of RP etiquette. Ilek-Vaad's forces went in to halt the fighting, in their eyes they were peace-keepers.

If you want a better R.P reponse i'd repost this or get it moved to an R.P forum.

Well, it is about slightly IC Gameplay, since Allanea and the Ali'Staan states no longer exist in my RP world.......... but it is a grey area I suppose. I also didn't want to post it in the Moderation Forum, because I don't need Moderator intervention, I'm just ignoring them.

Which forum do you think it should be in?

1. Ponte Vedra has never moved fleet nor force into the area you are "occupying", as his forces were unloaded on our Northern shores.

2. You yourself have "won engagements" by ignoring RP etiquette (posting again without letting others respond) and by (later on) pretending to be a peace keeper so you wouldn't be fired on.

1.) READ Ponte Vedra's post, he specifically states that his men will be unloading in the SOUTHWESTERN quarter of the nation, it's in the first paragraph!

2.) I only received one compaint about my RP etiquette and that was when I became annoyed with Nahashir, which was bad and wrong I'll admit my mistakes. On average I waited 48 hours for you to post (look at the thread), and Ruhr (Ponte Vedra) the acting moderator of the conflict had no issue with me posting after waiting , in one case I waited 5 days for Flufgfywuffy to post. Most nations only wait 24 hours before giving a prod, you had plenty of time. I also noticed that the days I was waiting for you to post, you WERE POSTING IN OTHER THREADS.

I can call my soldiers whatever I want in IC, I can call them peacekeepers, ice-cream men or practically anything. That is not a breach of RP etiquette. Ilek-Vaad's forces went in to halt the fighting, in their eyes they were peace-keepers.

It's fine with me that you ignore me because I don't like you, not a lot of people like you, and that reason would probably be because you are like this. Listen, bub, it is my right to build up forces peacefully where the hell I want. It's called sovereignty. Get used to it. It'll be around until I control the world.

Secondly, the men that are unloading on the southern border are from planes. They have this ability to fly, yeah, you've heard of them. Good. Anyways, that's that deal. And the trains? That move from the northwestern port down to the southwestern sealine? Right, those are also unloading things. But hey, what's logic got to do with it.

Lastly, it seems to me like I was supposed to tell people what I was doing. I am sorry, I should've. But I didn't. I'll tell you why. Because half of you guys would just show up anyways because you already watch whatever we do anways. Now, would I need a mass posting from the entire UnAPs alliance on my one thread that says what I was doing, probably even something as small as sending a diplomat? No. The answer is no. I don't need that, the forum's bandwidth doesn't need that, no one really cares. You guys do, for what reason I don't know, considering that I have no intentions of doing anything but responding to the forces you have based in the Southwestern Allanean Sea (Thanks for the name, Allanea, I was getting tired of describing the body of water that sits the southwest of Allanea that Ilek-Vaad stationed about 1000 ships in).

Ok, and the last thing: About posting about the same topic? That was a mistake. So sue me. Live with it, kill one thread, let the other live. Mine is role-played fairly well, not excellently, but fairly well, and has more character depth than Allanea's stupid thread. That would be my whole little, this is why your ignore is invalid post. But hey, what's love got to with it, to use Whitney Houston's stupid song title.

I never said you couldn't build up your forces where you wanted to, did I? I simply stated that since you were building up in response to my buildup (as YOU stated) that I should have been informed.

In your post you never specify where your 'ship after ship' are unloading, only that the troops they are unloading are headed for bases in the SouthWest corner of Allanea. I would assume that your ships would land as close to these bases as possible. Since you did not post what coast your ships are landing on I was left to assume. Hmmmmmm, fortifying the SouthWestern coast? if I wanted to rapidly deploy troops to the SouthWest, where would I land? Hmmmmmm. I had assumed (wrongly apparently) that your ships were landing your men on the SouthWest coast and they were then being transferred to bases in that area. If you don't post important things like WHERE YOUR SHIPS ARE LANDING, then I have to guess.

You constantly refer to my number of Naval Vessels (I think you are trying to say that I have too many) , I will point out , again, that my navy is considerably smaller than a whole slew of navies, look at several of the large naval powers, they regularly post navies and ships 3 to 4 times larger than mine. I have a nation of well over 3 billion people with a yearly budget of over 70 trillion USD, with almost 2/3rds of my border coastline (more coastline than the US) it is reasonable to assume that for security I must maintain a sizeable navy , and I do.

Lastly, What's Love Got to do With it is a Tina Turner song (I think). I don't care if you or others don't like me. Just don't impugn MY roleplaying when your posts aren't specific enough for me to draw reasonable conclusions from or you don't alert me to a post at all. That's just unreasonable. How the heck am I supposed to know where your ships are landing, if even you don't say?

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Port-Allanea, Allanea
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The merchant marine force was unloading, one quarter of the entire logistics fleet was stationed outside of the port waiting to unload. Ship after ship, three army corps were being entirely unloaded, then loaded onto trains and being prepared for shipment to the southwestern quarter of the nation. The three army corps, made up of around twenty-two divisions each, totaling around six hundred thousand troops, were being placed in Allanea as a requirement for the rapid-defense force under the command of Maj. General Ricardo Martinez.
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So the troops are unloaded in Port-Allanea. My Capital. A city at the Northern coasts.

It states so in the first WORDS.

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Port-Allanea, Allanea
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The merchant marine force was unloading, one quarter of the entire logistics fleet was stationed outside of the port waiting to unload. Ship after ship, three army corps were being entirely unloaded, then loaded onto trains and being prepared for shipment to the southwestern quarter of the nation. The three army corps, made up of around twenty-two divisions each, totaling around six hundred thousand troops, were being placed in Allanea as a requirement for the rapid-defense force under the command of Maj. General Ricardo Martinez.
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So the troops are unloaded in Port-Allanea. My Capital. A city at the Northern coasts.

It states so in the first WORDS.

Uhm.......previously you had posted that Heston City is your capital. I am also looking at the map in the OOC thread for the Axackal conflict, the blown up map with Goobergunchian and Scandavian States cities clearly marked, Allanea is on that map, I see no Port Allanea. I see no cities marked on the Allanean map, what resource should I refer to to find out where your cities are located?

Bearing these facts in mind, how am I supposed to know what coast Port Allanea is on?

I have a quick question, what coast is the port city of Coventry in Ilek-Vaad on? Not a fair question, is it?

For the actions of a few you will ignore the many? Ok, for that logic, I now officialy ignore *picks random nation everyone has heard of* Fascist White States. Oh, because he is a bad RPer with the whole teleporting in time thing, all of you thus must be bad RPers, and thus all must be ignored.

Actually I was just saying the whole Ali'Staan Accord, since they all seem to do whatever Allanea says anyhow. However I'm inclined to not ignore Yallack and Fluffywuffy. Even though there were some misunderstandings with Yallack, he and I worked through them in a civil manner and generally had a couple really good RP's.

Fluffywuffy irritated me by making me wait for posts, but that was understandable due to finals (and to his merit he even posted that he had finals, I imagine that irritated him more than me) and I thought we generally had a pretty good RP there as well . I would like to point out that Ruhr/Ponte Vedra was refereeing the Fluffywuffy/Ilek-Vaad conflict and all of these aggregious RP faux-pas that I am apparently guilty of, were never brought up? They were never brought up until Ruhr's puppet joined the Accord? I just now got suspicious about that.

I will ignore Ali'Staan Accord states, but of course there are always exceptions to the rules.

There are no provisions relating to Role-Play in the Democratic Underground Regional Charter, nor provisions relating to spam on the NationStates forums. Therefore, I will not add any of these claims to the charges I have filed against Allanea in the Democratic Underground Regional Court.

Please note that non-resident nations may not file charges in the Democratic Underground Regional Court.

The Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia
Founder, Democratic Underground region
Citizen of Nasicournia
ADN Military

Which forum do you think it should be in?
NS or II, Gameplay is for the mechanics of the game or regional politics.

Which forum do you think it should be in?
NS or II, Gameplay is for the mechanics of the game or regional politics.

Indeedie it does.

Well, can I get it moved then? That was fast ;)

However I'm inclined to not ignore Yallack and Fluffywuffy.

Good to know (Yallak by the way)

*BUMP* Bringing it up, one last time so that we are all clear as to where I stand. I'm assuming from the silence that my point was sufficently made.

**New forum BUMP!** I'll try and update the links too

**New forum BUMP!** I'll try and update the links too

OOC

Wow, did you un-import yourself?

OOC: I don't think so? I thought everyone was un-imported? Just the old posts are still 'imported'.

OOC: Can you remind me if i quit the accord or not? I cant seem to find the search function that works on here, so i cant remember

OOC: off of the top of my head I believe you did, I'm not 100% certain.