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A Response to the Ermor issue... ((Another Darned Treaty))

Giltheran
14-06-2004, 23:35
The Defence of the Living Treaty.

Having seen in recent Months the disturbing assaults upon the living perpetrated by the Undead, we the signatories of this Treaty do hereby dedicate ourselves to the defence of ALL life from the taint of Undeath.

We the signatories do this not in the hopes of expanding our lands, or in an assault upon those that wish to live in peaceful co-existence with the living but Only against those forces that actively conspire to commit Genocide upon all forms of life, and in the process of doing so have already stricken from existence several nations and races, and so have shown that they cannot be rationally dealt with.

We take it as a given that in signing this treaty we are promising not to judge any nation that asks for our help for their own moral failings, nor shall we judge them as we render aid, but rather we do this in respect for the sanctity of life above the Ideological position individual nations may profess to follow. As such any nation regardless of being a signatory of this treaty has the right to request aid from the signatories of said treaty, although in cases where the members of this alliance may be stretched beyond their capacity to support the signatories hold the right to determine where best to deploy forces so as to avoid a dilution of resources that would result in meaningless actions and a failure to defend anyone.


Signatories of this Treaty shall establish a joint force with a Command structure drawn from member states based on experience and talent, not upon individual nation’s power and standing. This force shall be deployed first, and be given specialised training in the combat of the Undead.

Signatories nations shall be subject to the following benefits, that this treaty shall also act as a Mutual defence treaty in the event of aggression during a time when a member state may be weakened in the defence of life, fellow signatory nations shall act as fellow protectors and insurers of each others continued security so that in fighting for the good of all another less farsighted state does not take advantage of a temporary weakness. Further more should a member state be attacked while it is so stretched the attacking nation losses all right of address to this treaty and member states in the event of them being assaulted by the undead. While we would hesitate to act as such the Member states of this treaty recognise that those that would act such in times of emergency must understand it may have a price.

The exact form and details of this treaty shall be discussed by its membership but it shall adhere to the principles expressed here.

King Githras
First King of Giltheran.
Bladesinger
Wielder of the second Moonblade of rulership.
By the Grace of Corellion Leader of the Seldarine
On this day XXXX of the year XXXX before the assembled Councils of the Great Houses of Giltheran and the Bealnorn Council.
In the Great chambers of the Palace of Souls


((OOC Usually I would hesitiate before proposing another Alliance on the Alliance heavy NS... but Ermor presented such a strong rational for doing so, and well it actually is one that does not fall into any established alliance so I felt there was a Gap. Readers of the basic outline above may note that it is a little thin on benefits to member states... If ya join it is likely because your nation is keen on doing the right thing... but also this was deliberate in another way. Many nations might hesitiate to get to close to other nations do to historical reasons but the scourge of the Undead is one that Githras feels transcends Ideology and so... this treaty attempts to avoid that problem. Apart from in fighting the Undead you arn't tied to defend your worst enemy just because both sign the same piece of paper))

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Dontgonearthere
14-06-2004, 23:41
OOC:
Ohh, you cant beat Ermor, he has uber-unbeatable zombie shades which dont have to obey any sort of reality...
Giltheran
14-06-2004, 23:53
((OOC not true really Giltheran has sat next to Ermor since day one and we havn't been conquored yet. We sit on a knives edge but show you can beat him or at least survive his attacks. So far through they have simply moved against opponments they think they can beat easily it's not that Ermor is Ubar Tough just that he hasn't fought too many people that can fight back... thats what this Treaty aims to force. ))
The Ctan
14-07-2004, 10:19
While this treaty is most noble and defensible, we regret to announce that our ability to join it seems nonexistent at this time, partly due to pressing concerns elsewhere and partly due to our concerns over the compatibility of our methods of warfare with those of Giltheran. (In other words, we’re not exactly sure where you stand on what I believe are, in your tongue, ‘constructs,’ or perhaps ‘golems’ – I can’t quite be sure without finding a cleric I’m afraid.)

We take this opportunity to reaffirm our commitment to the rights of all sentient creatures to life, and issue a statement of support and endorsement of the Defence of the Living Treaty. We have long had certain concerns about the abominable practice of imprisoning the souls of the dead in war machines practiced by at least one nation we are familiar with, however attempts to investigate this practice further have been repeatedly thwarted.

In any case, we would be, on a case-by-case basis, prepared to supply logistical aid and consultation on certain military matters to this alliance, and I shall propose the appointment of an attaché from the Order of Peace to the Emperor at the next available opportunity.

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Lady Fëaelen nos Ancalimë
Titular Vice-Regent of the Province of Vinyandor, Imperial Spokesquendë for Elven Affairs
Der Angst
14-07-2004, 11:52
OOC:
Ohh, you cant beat Ermor, he has uber-unbeatable zombie shades which dont have to obey any sort of reality...

*chuckles* Says the one with OMG 1337 Planetbusters. Kinda comparable... With the exception that Ermors attacks on various targets have actually been proven to be balanced. Of course, to know that you would be required to read actual Ermor posts/ threads...

ic:

It had been quite a long time since an entire merchant fleet had been lost to Ermor, due to some unfortunate accidents

And apart from the location and the fact that she ships (rotten, lifeless, not responding) were floating in space, again, not much was known about the incident.

However... One was certainly worried about it.

Thusly, a confirmation was sent.

From: The Psionic Godmode of Der Angst
To: Giltheran
Subject: Ermor/ Defence of the Living

"We're quite aware of the threat Ermor means to all of us, to... Everything, and we will sympathise with the aims you have to make sure that the threat doesn't expand, to consume all that is known.

However, right now, we need to hesitate actual membership, though we will consider it, due to other events, in different regions, that cause us to be concerned.

Sincerely,

~ Mr. Morden
Knootoss
14-07-2004, 15:27
"Likewise, the DDR sympathises with the goals and aims of this treaty but feels it cannot commit itself militarily at this point. Our Dutch Democratic Republic is also commited at this time in conflicts between the living. Unrest in the Raumreich sector and troubles on here on earth require our full attention at this moment. The space branch of the Knootoss Defence Force is oriented on peaceful exploration, exploitation and scientific discovery, not on offensive action.

We cannot stand with you in this good cause but we wish you all the best and may, on occasion, lend us your support."

~Prime Minister Lady Galadriël Táralóm nos Círdan in a private message.
Ermor
14-07-2004, 15:52
The knowledge of a treaty that was targeted at Ermor did not take long to reach the Lich Queen, no. The fact that the idea behind the treaty came from a place very close to the home of the Ashen Empire. And they had told those living that they would be exterminated if they were to betray the dead.

There the Lich Queen sat, pondering the odd report from the Dusk Elders. No bit of emotion was visible on her long dead face.

We warned them... Yes, so we did. And now...

Her empty eye sockets suddenly began to burn with a light green glow before she spoke, when her sockets looked as empty as they did before.

"Such insolence... Have they forgotten? Maybe they require... A reminder... Yes... Send a message to them... On old, Ermorian paper. I shall dictate it to you..."

"Very well..."

Those of Giltheran. Have you forgotten? We have warned you. The path you are about to choose is self-destructive.

Yes, we know you are forming an alliance. The very notion of an alliance that is built to work against us is intolerable. It is even worse as the one creating it is YOU. If you form this alliance, we shall consider it an act of war.

Heed our warning, for it is the truth. We will not restrain ourselves anymore if you continue on this path.


--

The Ashen Empire of Ermor

"[I]Now, as you send the seeking arrow, send that message to them..."

The Dusk Elder was silent as he left the room, but the Lich Queen knew he had understood what she had said. It hovered outside. The sky was oddly green, due to the shielding they had acquired.

The Dusk Elder whispered a few chants, and the letter flew into the sky, penetrated the shield and flew into the lands of Giltheran. The Dusk Elder had targeted their palace, so it should land somewhere close it.
Giltheran
15-07-2004, 00:55
The first response to he letter from the Confederacy was confusion What an odd letter, this other nation they allude to for instance, still I suspect a reply should be formulated urgently


((The following messages are all recieved unusually, many of the letters seem to appear on desks etc, for a people without Radios the mages of Giltheran have not been idle.))

To the Confederacy and for the attention of Lady Fëaelen nos Ancalimë.

Madam we are pleased to read your reply and express our fullest understanding of your concern, as to the matter of Constructs/Golems. Unless they are radically different from our own, such tools are useful indeed it is the rare Arch-Mage who does keep a Golem for his own protection and that of his abode.

In either case we shall be pleased to recieve any attache or logistical aid you can supply. We would also be interested in hearing more of this other you alluded to.

I remain by the Grace of the Seldarine
King Githras
Bladesinger


To The Psionic Godmode of Der Angst

We understand the concerns that may distract your attention from this matter for now, and hope that you will at least keep this in your thoughts should circumstances alter.

we hope that this communication shall be but the first of many, and as such

I remain by the Grace of the Seldarine

King Githras
Bladesinger

To Prime Minister Lady Galadriël Táralóm nos Círdan

The concerns of state that you have explained to us, are noble endevors and we are in full understanding of this need, we hope this shall be but the first of many conversations between our two peoples.

I remain by the grace of the Seldarine

King Githras
Bladesinger



Upon recieving the message from the Lich Queen Githras chuckled then laughed... 'Oh I must compose a reply let us see ah yes.'

Lich

greetings from the living your Majesty, I am given to understand that you feel threatened by our peaceful suggestion to several nations regarding a treaty to prevent the aggresive expansion of undeath over that of the living. For that I truely must apologise, for you see it is the calling of all that live, truely live to obey the commands of their Gods, we in whom the blood of the Seldarine does flow can no more allow evil to florish than you can draw breath or your beat.

It is the guidence of Corellon that caused us to propse the treaty that you refer to, yet if you feel it is aimed at you, I would examine it in closer detail you will find your people are not mentioned in it at any point, it is a simple mutual defence treaty, one to prevent the murder of innocents. Unless you are agreeing that your people are responsible for acts of genocide, and that you are on a crusade to exterminate all life, I would suggest that the Treaty is not aimed at You. If you still feel threatened by it, then all I can suggest is that your policies may need review.

I remain by the Grace of the Seldarine
King Githras
Bladesinger
Ermor
17-07-2004, 10:58
"Such stupidity... Let us reply."

"As you wish."

Your stupidity astounds us. In the message, from you, which we were able to intercept, you said,

"Having seen in recent Months the disturbing assaults upon the living perpetrated by the Undead, we the signatories of this Treaty do hereby dedicate ourselves to the defence of ALL life from the taint of Undeath."

We are undead. You know that we are undead. Who else could you mean but us? Unless you have suddenly found one other source of undeath except the Ashen Empire. We would be... More than interested in hearing of other such sources, so we could eliminate them.

Although, your accusations are debased by many facts. For example...

1) You would not know if we have done anything, as you, obviously, are too easy to detect for us and we have not seen you all that much in any other places but in the south of our lands, unless you count the some... Others... Who have been seen in other places.

2) In recent months, we haven't done anything except rebuilding. There may be some other Ermorian factions who are more... Active than us, but they are not our concern.

3) And of course you would want to create an alliance against the "horrifying undead", as you have placed yourselves next to us. Selfishness comes before anything, it would seem. If you feel threatened, of course you would want more assurances for your... Continued existence.

We have not destroyed you because we have not felt the need. Do not give us a reason to change our position towards you.

The Ashen Empire of Ermor
Weyr
17-07-2004, 16:12
OOC: My apologetics to Ermor for loosing the link to that RP that I was supposed to have done . . .
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We will be watching the proceedings of this treaty/alliance with interest. However, our current resources are stretched thin due to a number of major military and civilian projects. As such, we hope to be able to apply for membership in perhaps twenty years.

If the Glittering Stone project succeeds, we will hopefully have nothing to fear from this Ermor in the future. While we have not encountered them before, we do have several active teams tasked with the removal of demonic creatures.

Sincerely,
Consul-General J. W. Gibbs

Co-Signed:
Full Spectrum Alchemist Cius Ferro, head of the Glittering Stone project
Crystal Alchemist Minael Cherael, head of the Battlespire project
High King Alicia li'Wye
Ermor
17-07-2004, 16:16
OOC: My apologetics to Ermor for loosing the link to that RP that I was supposed to have done . . .

(OOC: No problem, really. I went on by claiming that they just disappeared as quickly as they had appeared, and went on to the next target.)
Tor Yvresse
19-07-2004, 10:09
((Sorry having problems logging in to the forums as Giltheran... So this is not from Tor Yvresse))


Your stupidity astounds us. In the message, from you, which we were able to intercept, you said,

"Having seen in recent Months the disturbing assaults upon the living perpetrated by the Undead, we the signatories of this Treaty do hereby dedicate ourselves to the defence of ALL life from the taint of Undeath."

We are undead. You know that we are undead. Who else could you mean but us? Unless you have suddenly found one other source of undeath except the Ashen Empire. We would be... More than interested in hearing of other such sources, so we could eliminate them.


Are you the only undead, far from it, why Our own Bealnorn Council is made up of the Undead, We recently recieved a communication from the lady Faealen of the C'tan Empire who speaks of another nation that uses the Souls of the dead within it's machines of War, perhaps then we spoke of people such as that. Again we did not name you, yet it is indeed true that your Nations History is one of violence and death.


Although, your accusations are debased by many facts. For example...

1) You would not know if we have done anything, as you, obviously, are too easy to detect for us and we have not seen you all that much in any other places but in the south of our lands, unless you count the some... Others... Who have been seen in other places.


We have other means to watch for such movements than to physically leave our homes... Indeed where it not so we would not be able to speak to the world at large... Our Technology is backwards but we have watched as you attacked the people of New York, we watched as your nation was born, we have seen you move, and we have not been impressed. Your arrogance and self belief is stunning Lich Queen, you seem to think we should fear you... We do not!

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2) In recent months, we haven't done anything except rebuilding. There may be some other Ermorian factions who are more... Active than us, but they are not our concern.
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And perhaps it was to these other factions we spoke, not to you, as I said we spoke not your name, it is only your own paranoia which seems to have made you declere it is aimed directly at your heart... Still I must admit when you return to the ways that your black heart is driving you towards I would expect the treaty to act against you, even should that treaty consist only of my peoples.


3) And of course you would want to create an alliance against the "horrifying undead", as you have placed yourselves next to us. Selfishness comes before anything, it would seem. If you feel threatened, of course you would want more assurances for your... Continued existence.



My Lady this is anything but Selfishness, should no one sign this Treaty the people of Giltheran dedicate themselves to act upon the conditions layed here in. All we had hoped was to bring others into common cause, if they do not come then we would willingly stand alone. The Children of the Seldarine shall not find it's children cowering in the dark afraid, you will find us where we have always been, in the front, fighting with Sword, Bow and spell, until the end times are upon us. For to do otherwise would be to fail our gift.


We have not destroyed you because we have not felt the need. Do not give us a reason to change our position towards you.

The Ashen Empire of Ermor


I grow weary of your bluster, if it is war you want then come, no more games no more bluster, no more messengers in the night. Bring War, bring Flame...

You shall find us not afraid, nor unprepared, The Guardian is roused, the sleeper moves, and we shall hear no more bluster.

Yet if you can see that War will not avail you in this then fall silent, and threaten us no more.

I remain by the Grace of the Seldarine

Githras
King
Bladesinger
Ermor
19-07-2004, 14:08
Are you the only undead, far from it, why Our own Bealnorn Council is made up of the Undead,

So you claim that you must defend yourselves against your own people? Very interesting.

We recently recieved a communication from the lady Faealen of the C'tan Empire who speaks of another nation that uses the Souls of the dead within it's machines of War, perhaps then we spoke of people such as that.

Yet it is more than obvious that you did not speak of them, even for us. You cannot twist your own words. What we have heard you speak says the contrary, you like those... C'tan.

Our Technology is backwards but we have watched as you attacked the people of New York, we watched as your nation was born, we have seen you move, and we have not been impressed. Your arrogance and self belief is stunning Lich Queen, you seem to think we should fear you... We do not!

(OOC: Claiming that you "saw" Ermor attacking two frikkin transports in some part of space is nonsensical. That's like claiming that you know everything that goes on in the universe. I'm leaning towards ignoring this bit of the message. ;-) You'd have to know what to look at at all times to pull that one off. The Taraskovyan station taking sort thingie would've been a better example of what you've seen methinks.)

IC:

You have not seen anything. That is a fact. You may have seen what happened in the ancient past, but that is, as said, ancient past. We are more than sure that there are... Things you are not overly proud of in your own history.

And perhaps it was to these other factions we spoke, not to you, as I said we spoke not your name, it is only your own paranoia which seems to have made you declere it is aimed directly at your heart...

"Paranoia"? Yes, maybe that is it. But even you should know that paranoia is healthy to a degree. Overconfidence in one's abilities is not. We know what you are up to with your... Alliance. You should know that we too have eyes within your considerably smaller lands.

-- All we had hoped was to bring others into common cause, if they do not come then we would willingly stand alone. -- For to do otherwise would be to fail our gift.

Then you are a fool. Even the worst commander knows when to stand down. Even the mindless ones know when they are walking on fragile ice. You may call it whatever you want, but we both know the truth.

You shall find us not afraid, nor unprepared, The Guardian is roused, the sleeper moves, and we shall hear no more bluster.

We have not "blustered". You have. We have warned you of your path. Heed our words, or the darkness you so despise shall swallow you.

Yet if you can see that War will not avail you in this then fall silent, and threaten us no more.

Threaten? No, we have not threatened you. The undead do not give idle threats. What we have said is fact. The truth. The truth of what will happen if you continue on your path. We only wish to avert you from that path. Unless it is self-destruction you seek.

And why do you think it is the Lich Queen who speaks through these messages? What we have sent have not mentioned Her once.

--

The Ashen Empire of Ermor
Giltheran
21-07-2004, 03:36
A Final response, penned by King Githras, before the Baelnorn Circle.

Lich, we feel a misunderstanding has arisen, The referance to the Baelnorn Circle was in referance to not holding the curse, or gift, of Unlife against a people, not in referance to the standing of this augst body amongest our peoples.

Indeed one finds it hard to compare you to them, for where your Undeath is the foolest corruption of life, theres is a sacriface they have made, to forgo the pleasure of Arvandor to serve their people longer. Yours is a perversion of all that is natural and theirs is, a balance. Still one would not hold such differances as cause to create or propose a treaty, for not all beings can be as selfless as my Circle, indeed I doubt I myself would make such a sacriface, but one must understand that we hold not undeath against you.

Rtaher we hold the slaughter of innocents against the perpertrators of such acts. This then is our last communication on this issue, we shall not live in terror of your threats, nor shall we cower in the dark.

I Remain By the Grace of the Seldarine

King Githras
Bladesinger
Ermor
09-09-2004, 11:36
(OOC: Felt like posting, although I think it's pretty much pointless.)

IC:

Indeed one finds it hard to compare you to them, for where your Undeath is the foolest corruption of life, theres is a sacriface they have made, to forgo the pleasure of Arvandor to serve their people longer. Yours is a perversion of all that is natural and theirs is, a balance.

We detest your implication. You do not know why we are what we are. You do not even care. You are, as all those who are alive, sprouting words of ignorance. But unlike your... Own undead, who are truly even worse a perversion of life than we are, we did not choose to become what we are.

Which is worse, choosing undeath or being forced into it? To be revered by those who you knew in life when you return, or to be hated by everyone except your own kind? To remember fully what you were, or to have your mind partially destroyed because of some ancient mistake someone else made for which you were also punished? There is no glory in choosing to "sacrifice" yourself with the "loss" being that of simple convenience, but there is when you are forced to sacrifice yourself in the worst way possible, but you still yearn to survive.

Rtaher we hold the slaughter of innocents against the perpertrators of such acts.

Slaughter of innocents? No one is innocent once they leave the wombs of their mothers. It is not our fault that the mutual hatred between us and the living causes conflict. If by "innocents" you mean those who cannot defend themselves, are not the undead who cannot defend their own selves also innocent? Or do you use the word simply to let you ease your mind when you destroy undead beings? "They are hideous, thus they cannot be innocent and we can destroy them as much as we want"?

At least we bring them back to this plane of existence, which is much more when compared to what the living do.

This then is our last communication on this issue, we shall not live in terror of your threats, nor shall we cower in the dark.

As we have said before, we have not threatened you. We have stated a fact. Facts are much more powerful than simple threats.

--

The Ashen Empire of Ermor
High Orcs
09-09-2004, 14:53
The Necromancer Uthracht, a potent figure trained under the Dark Circle, but upon his insanity for the Living Dead, transfered to the Clan of the Dripping Fang, sat in bemusement.

"I never knew there were lovely abominations like you in an alliance with our region," Uthracht proclaimed.

The embalmed husk just stared at its master aimlessly, a mixture of blood and drool dripping down its dry lips.

"Indeed," Uthracht replied to the animated minion. "I whole-heartedly agree. Such that an alliance is set up against an Ally, it is set-up against all of Arda!"

Uthracht laughed, raising his black oaken staff in the air as he twirled around, his cloak billowing out. He threw the Cane in the air and caught it, eyes full of twisted passion.

"We should make our aims clear to the beloved redeemers. I should like to visit them."

At this point, the left arm of the undead minion sloughed off, falling to the rockbed floor.

Uthracht grinned, his left hand rubbing his chin. "Hmm... I should inform the High Fist of what I intend to do as soon as I can." As his fiend did nothing but stare blankly, he became enraged. "Well don't just stand there! Give me a hand!"

There was silence for but a moment, then Uthracht laughed. "Sacrifice in all things, Zombo. For we are the masters over the energies of life, birth, and rebirth."
Giltheran
09-09-2004, 15:27
(OOC: Felt like posting, although I think it's pretty much pointless.)

IC:



We detest your implication. You do not know why we are what we are. You do not even care. You are, as all those who are alive, sprouting words of ignorance. But unlike your... Own undead, who are truly even worse a perversion of life than we are, we did not choose to become what we are.

We where there remember foul beings, we where there when this state came upon you. We met with a fleeing refugee of your people, I well remember meeting him, we where there when you began you campaign to claim the entire continent. I was there, I fought in defence of the others that still lived in what is now your land.

Do not speak to me of your lack of choice, yes the mindless undead that serve you had no choice, as dis many of your number, but there where others who not only choose this way, but actively pursued it. Your Dark Cabals simply won over the light, and a fool sat in control and allowed it too occur. We know well your history.


Which is worse, choosing undeath or being forced into it? To be revered by those who you knew in life when you return, or to be hated by everyone except your own kind? To remember fully what you were, or to have your mind partially destroyed because of some ancient mistake someone else made for which you were also punished? There is no glory in choosing to "sacrifice" yourself with the "loss" being that of simple convenience, but there is when you are forced to sacrifice yourself in the worst way possible, but you still yearn to survive.

The sacriface of the Baelronorn Circle is a simple one, they gave up Arvandor, they gave up the chance to place pain and hurt, and loss aside and rest in the eternal home of our people. They gave up peace for service to others. What can you know of that sacriface, the sacriface of seeing the ones you loved once more, to live with the Seldarine in peace and contentment in a place of joy? You can know nothing of the call to Arvandor, for you have never felt it, the call to go home, to be at peace.


Slaughter of innocents? No one is innocent once they leave the wombs of their mothers. It is not our fault that the mutual hatred between us and the living causes conflict. If by "innocents" you mean those who cannot defend themselves, are not the undead who cannot defend their own selves also innocent? Or do you use the word simply to let you ease your mind when you destroy undead beings? "They are hideous, thus they cannot be innocent and we can destroy them as much as we want"?

The undead that are without self determination are a truely cursed people, and we pity them daily, for you have stolen from them their rest, their peace. Yet they are also an abomination the shells of the dead forced to walk once more upon the earth, for no other purpose than to serve your will. Truely they are cursed. As for innocence, being lost at birth, we disagree, choices are made yes, and sins commited but innocence is something greator than being without sin, it is, being of a good heart.


At least we bring them back to this plane of existence, which is much more when compared to what the living do.


A Mockery of their former existence, unable to take comfort or joy in their arms of their loved ones, unable as you admit to even recall the faces of those loved ones, and even should they be able to, what nightmares the rotting corpse would bring. You do not do the dead any favours, you are not helping them, you are condemning them.

We note you have joined an alliance these days, so be it, we congratulate you on finding others whose hearts are as black as your own.
Neo-Wu
09-09-2004, 16:01
*tag*
Ermor
10-09-2004, 06:17
Do not speak to me of your lack of choice, yes the mindless undead that serve you had no choice, as dis many of your number, but there where others who not only choose this way, but actively pursued it.

That is the way of undeath as of life. We did not choose to become what we are. The living do not choose to be born in life, yet they are. They do not choose their species, yet they are of a certain species. Maybe it is their destiny to be turned undead, as we are called on this realm? Can you claim knowledge over this? No, you cannot.

You can know nothing of the call to Arvandor, for you have never felt it, the call to go home, to be at peace.

The Underworld can hold many wonders for those who are not punished for the mistakes of others, my "friend". But it also holds pain greater than anything for those who are punished. We come back in undeath from our death because the Lord has chosen so. The punishment also reaches those who had died before the Fall and gone to a "better place".

The undead that are without self determination are a truely cursed people, and we pity them daily, for you have stolen from them their rest, their peace.

You speak out of ignorance again.

As for innocence, being lost at birth, we disagree, choices are made yes, and sins commited but innocence is something greator than being without sin, it is, being of a good heart.

Then we are more innocent than you are. You seek to form an alliance against us - do not lie, we know -, you seek to destroy us. Intentionally. Choosing your way. We did not choose what we have become. The Lord chose this for us. Can you not see the truth that is in front of you, glaring at you? Apparently not.

You do not do the dead any favours, you are not helping them, you are condemning them.

It is far more horrible to remain in the Underworld under the laws of our punishment than to return to this realm in undeath. In fact, we grant those who still have their minds intact the boon of peace.

We note you have joined an alliance these days, so be it, we congratulate you on finding others whose hearts are as black as your own.

Of course. Did you think that we would just idly wait for you to assemble an alliance and attack us, whilst we have done nothing to you? If you did, you truly are insane. Death does not mean that we suddenly became mentally impaired.

--

The Ashen Empire of Ermor