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Syskeyiapolis Times-Journal

SYSKEYIAPOLIS (AP)- In a recent Parliamentary vote, the Republic of Syskeyia declared that it has entered a period of isolationism.

All alliances shall be suspended for the time being, although countries may maintian diplomatic relations.

Also, all relations with Tanah Burung, Metus and CACE nations (svae Constantinopolis and Lavenrunz) have been broken.

In other news, President and First Consul Benedict Michael Sukothai has checked into St. Anthony's Mental Hospital for terminal depression, and Consul Francis L. Ghanikhan has assumed administrative duties. Also, the process of amending the Constitutio Reipublicae to abolish the senatum ultimum consultum has begun.

OOC: Since it seems that everyone hates my guts, I won't be RPing for a while, if at all.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

I'm usually in II, so I'm not familiar with events here. Just exactly why is it 'everyone' hates you?

I'm usually in II, so I'm not familiar with events here. Just exactly why is it 'everyone' hates you?

I don't hate him... do I? I'm in the Hospital right now, so my memories a bit frayed around the edges. I'm pretty sure I didn't hate him, but.

[OC: I have to say, I feel sort of cheated by all of this.

First, I have to put everything on hold until the 12th, which I do, and now this. Tell me, will you stick with it long enough to face my invasion, or no?]

Quite ooc: For the record, Sys, i for one don't hate you at all. I think you're probably a nice boy under the humourless bigotry you seem to project. I'm going to try to put myself in your shoes and feel some compassion for you and the one-sided belief system someone has taught you. But as you've brought up your own ideas of masculinity, i'll just say: real men take responsibility for their actions. And honey, you're not the victim here. My in-character responses will continue to be confined to ridicule, but if you feel like talking about it, send me a telegram. God bless.

Quite ooc: For the record, Sys, i for one don't hate you at all. I think you're probably a nice boy under the humourless bigotry you seem to project. I'm going to try to put myself in your shoes and feel some compassion for you and the one-sided belief system someone has taught you. But as you've brought up your own ideas of masculinity, i'll just say: real men take responsibility for their actions. And honey, you're not the victim here. My in-character responses will continue to be confined to ridicule, but if you feel like talking about it, send me a telegram. God bless.

And that comment will make him feel worse. Good stuff. If you come down from your high horse you might break your legs.

It started off so well too! You said you don't hate him at all, and then you just heaped on the arrogance :) Oh yeah, liberal spoonfulls of the stuff just sloshing around. And then you put the icing on the cake by calling him "honey".

I'm sorry, I don't agree with Syskeyia's personal views on homosexuality, but there's no need to rub it in his face and stamp said face into the mud.

Don't worry, I don't hate you at all and I'm sure you're a wonderful person and an awesome RPer, behind the extreme liberalism (yes I know it is, I don't care) you seem to project, and I'll keep up the admittedly cool Colombian thing happening too. Sweetiepie.

OOC: Well, I don't know if I can RP for some weeks, though I will try to TG some people (like Melkor and Chimaea) about stuff. And if the invasion does commence, please let me win. I'm attached to my country and I don't know why Melkor wants to invade me (and not NYNJ, Sunset or any of the other countries that participated in Operation Roundhammer.)

I have to go now, but Chimaean troops are allowed onto Syskeyian soil to help defend the Republic.

GOd bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

And if the invasion does commence, please let me win.

Now don't let's laugh all at once...

Why laugh? This is more or less precipitated by OOC opinions. And would you like to get your nation invaded? No-one likes it, specially with nations they've had for ages.

Melkor, check your telegrams :)

Syskeyia, will do.

OOC: Sys...I don't hate ya.

(and the initial Roundhammer response vs. Ell was crushed nicely...you should talk to some of Ell's strategists on that one)

"The use of force alone is but temporary. It may subdue for a moment; but it does not remove the necessity of subduing again: and a nation is not governed, which is perpetually to be conquered."—Edmund Burke

This has been an official TAG by the Five Civilized Nations.

OOC: Well, I don't know if I can RP for some weeks, though I will try to TG some people (like Melkor and Chimaea) about stuff. And if the invasion does commence, please let me win.

Um... not likely to happen.

I'm attached to my country and I don't know why Melkor wants to invade me (and not NYNJ, Sunset or any of the other countries that participated in Operation Roundhammer.)

He's invading you because he is Melkor. He does not need any other reason. As to why he's invading you, and not, say, me, is because he wants to invade you first. That, and I've been nice to him lately. *crosses fingers* *prays*

Look, Sysk, don't leave because of an IC event. It will just make people lose respect for you. You're a good rper, and I'm sure we'd all like to have you around.

OOC: Well, I don't know if I can RP for some weeks, though I will try to TG some people (like Melkor and Chimaea) about stuff. And if the invasion does commence, please let me win.

Um... not likely to happen.

I'm attached to my country and I don't know why Melkor wants to invade me (and not NYNJ, Sunset or any of the other countries that participated in Operation Roundhammer.)

He's invading you because he is Melkor. He does not need any other reason. As to why he's invading you, and not, say, me, is because he wants to invade you first. That, and I've been nice to him lately. *crosses fingers* *prays*

Look, Sysk, don't leave because of an IC event. It will just make people lose respect for you. You're a good rper, and I'm sure we'd all like to have you around.

Agreed. in any case, I'm not here to end anyone's storyline, obviously. That said, I'm not here to let other people win either :P

Why laugh? This is more or less precipitated by OOC opinions. And would you like to get your nation invaded? No-one likes it, specially with nations they've had for ages.

Because it's not like Syskeyia woudl ever want to invade and destroy an entire region for OOC reasons, is it?

Oh wait, yes it is.

OOC: Don't break with Rome! It's the One True Faith, and besides its the biggest trump card we've got against you. Personally, I'd love to see the Reich defeated and Matty etc. put on trial (oh, what an RP that would be).

On that note, is their any more specific information about the Reich edition of the Bible. I'd love to have an IC discussion of the controversial issue just so I can tear the Reich's additions to the Bible to shreds (Metaphroically, of course.)

Yes, I do want to destroy the fascism of the Reich (kind of like an end of Nazi Germany kind of thing.) Their distortion of Christianity personally disgusts me. Not that the scattered remnants of terrorist groups can't be around places, causing a small bit of havoc.

On another note, why is it always conservative Christian facism? Why not gay-rights goosesteppers? Or New Age Nazis! "Heil Mother Earth!"

On one last note, Matty and Haru aren't married? I KNEW IT!!!

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Hm...The bold sections would note that Syskeyia is perfectly ok with the idea of destroying nations for shits and giggles himself, and unless personal pronouns are suddenly appropriate for referring to nations he wants to do so for OOC reasons.

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Also, all relations with Tanah Burung, Metus and CACE nations (svae Constantinopolis and Lavenrunz) have been broken.
Since when is Lavenrunz in the CACE?

GMC: That's old news! Hell I'd love to give it to the Reich as much as anyone, but that's purely IC. And ok, it's like a friendly rivaly thing OOC but I think Matty's cool. Syskeyia and I have had that going for ages anyway. However I think it's safe to assume that Iesus wouldn't want to get taken over, and I doubt Syskeyia would launch a huge campaign without asking Matty about it OOCly.


The stuff against Sysk is purely, and OOCly, vindictive--but I withold judgement until Melkor replies to my telegram, which he/she doesn't seem to want to. So you'll have to forgive me if I'm biased, as no-one seems to want to tell me both sides of the story.

edit: to put it another way, I'm sure Syskeyia doesn't hate Matty or his opinions in real life, and while he might be disgusted OOCly by the Reich's IC policy, a lot of us can say that. I mean I'm very anti-slavery and that comes out in my RPs, but it doesn't mean I have a vindictive vandetta against the players OOCly and launch RPs at them purely out of spite.

edit: to put it another way, I'm sure Syskeyia doesn't hate Matty or his opinions in real life.

I assure you, on the second point he most certainly does.

Perhaps you should read some entries off his egosearch.

Well then he's as bad as the rest. *shrug* I don't think he really does, but I'll let him answer that. My point remains, however. Some of you really have to learn to dissociate yourselves from the internet--nothing that happens here matters, it's all a game! So there really is no reason to go around being mean to each other!

Well then he's as bad as the rest. *shrug* I don't think he really does, but I'll let him answer that. My point remains, however. Some of you really have to learn to dissociate yourselves from the internet--nothing that happens here matters, it's all a game! So there really is no reason to go around being mean to each other!

Um, except catharsis, of course.

You play Doom 2 for that... Or beat up a homeless man :)

edit: to put it another way, I'm sure Syskeyia doesn't hate Matty or his opinions in real life.

I assure you, on the second point he most certainly does.

Perhaps you should read some entries off his egosearch.

OOC: So you honestly think Matty IRL is a psuedo-Catholic fascist?

Seems to me he gets a kick out of playing an extremist Catholic nation. (He has RPed good, non-fascist Catholics, made his current head of state a fornicator, and has at least once described the ) Remember the embassy trials? That opening speech was OOC funny, though IC the members didn't laugh because their lives were on the line. :)

Also, I think that Chimaea is right about me and the whole IC/OOC thing- I don't hate OOC players because their IC nations do things I hate. Also, I must admit I do have a bias toward "good" nations- that is, people who don't play their nations as "villains." My RP hiatus is still on, and my country's preparing for invasion. but if Melkor OOC decides the invasion's not worth it by then, that's OK by me. Also, if the invasion does come, and I defeat it before it gets on land, great. :D But if it looks like Metus gets a beachead and gets a good amount of ground, I'd rather the RP wind up as a "Syskeyia comes back from the brink of defeat to finally victory" than a "Melkor tramples Syskeyia and dances all over Syskeyiapolis" kind of think. Thionk of it this way- it's like we're all writing a large story, and would you have liked to read Lord of the Rings if in the end Sauron took the Ring, destroyed the Fellowship and conquered Middle Earth. [size=1]If you answer yes to that question, there are some serious problems with you.[/i]

That's my §0.02 for now. :D

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

There we go, from the horse's mouth.

And as an update, Melkor did eventually telegram me back. He doesn't OOC dislike Syskeyia either, which makes it a little better. He IC dislikes Syskeyia. Possibly like if a coalition tried to invade me, and Iesus Christi was in it, I'd go strike back at him first, 'cause we're old <strike>friends</strike> deadly enemies.

Still doesn't explain the attitudes of the rest of you though :P

I'd rather the RP wind up as a "Syskeyia comes back from the brink of defeat to finally victory" than a "Melkor tramples Syskeyia and dances all over Syskeyiapolis" kind of thing. Thionk of it this way- it's like we're all writing a large story, and would you have liked to read Lord of the Rings if in the end Sauron took the Ring, destroyed the Fellowship and conquered Middle Earth. But on the other hand wasn't The Return of The King flick severely hurt by the absence of The Scorching Of The Shire?

OOC: So you honestly think Matty IRL is a psuedo-Catholic fascist?

No, I think he's bisexual and I know what your opinion is on that.

Seems to me he gets a kick out of playing an extremist Catholic nation. (He has RPed good, non-fascist Catholics, made his current head of state a fornicator, and has at least once described the ) Remember the embassy trials? That opening speech was OOC funny, though IC the members didn't laugh because their lives were on the line. :)

And this has what to do with anything?

Also, I think that Chimaea is right about me and the whole IC/OOC thing- I don't hate OOC players because their IC nations do things I hate.

No, you hate IC nations because of OOC things you hate, which is so much better.

Also, I must admit I do have a bias toward "good" nations- that is, people who don't play their nations as "villains."

Thank you. For a minute I forgot the meaning of the word 'good.' Nice to have it explained.

My RP hiatus is still on, and my country's preparing for invasion. but if Melkor OOC decides the invasion's not worth it by then, that's OK by me. Also, if the invasion does come, and I defeat it before it gets on land, great. :D

Um...

But if it looks like Metus gets a beachead and gets a good amount of ground, I'd rather the RP wind up as a "Syskeyia comes back from the brink of defeat to finally victory" than a "Melkor tramples Syskeyia and dances all over Syskeyiapolis" kind of think. Thionk of it this way- it's like we're all writing a large story, and would you have liked to read Lord of the Rings if in the end Sauron took the Ring, destroyed the Fellowship and conquered Middle Earth.

Except this isn't a morality play, you're horribly outnumbered [despite your stupidly, impossibly huge military] by a military ultrapower [Arda] and Melkor doesn't have any deus ex machina rings for you to throw into volcanoes to defeat him. And I doubt after that little 'arbitary death penalty on a foreign citizen for a victimless non-crime' stunt anyone thinks you're the 'good guy' anymore.

OOC: It would appear we've come back to that old straw, the one about winning the game. Well, let's see if we can put this in terms everybody can understand: Syskeyia is being attacked by a power that has the ability to raze the world into dust, one that has absolutely no interest in allowing anyone the option of pulling a miraculous victory out of defeat.

Now, you have a couple of options here. You can bend over, take it like an adult and RP the invasion, defeat and subjugation of your nation. I don't know if anyone's really played the "conquered peoples" bit to any significant degree. Nobody seems to want to.

You could simply telegram the principles and say "thanks, not interested." Of course, if you've been playing a warmonger nation that goes to war with everyone, then this would be slightly hypocritical. It's not polite to interrupt someone's RP with your invasion, but if you've been doing it yourself you don't have much call for complaint. I don't know if Syskeyia has been doing this or not; I haven't cared enough to find out.

Last but not least you could destroy any remnant of credibility you have and declare a haitus on your RP while you wait for the heat to pass.

Nobody cares if Syskeyia is supposed to represent the "good guys." Such labels are inherently meaningless when it comes to politics. This isn't a Tolkien story, it's a collaborative role-play forum. Sometimes the "bad guys" win, especially when they can justify overwhelming force.

I think it is possible to win the game, from a certain perspective. In various games such as Master of Orion and Age of Empires, you win when there's no one left to fight or otherwise play against. In that light, I think quite a few people have won the game. Ma-tek is pretty close to winning, although some people are still willing to (or don't know why not to) play with him. I think the Bisons won just before they got deleted. It seems to me that Syskeyia is coming pretty close to a comprehensive win.

OOC: So you honestly think Matty IRL is a psuedo-Catholic fascist?

No, not really. I think he's just misunderstood.

Seems to me he gets a kick out of playing an extremist Catholic nation. (He has RPed good, non-fascist Catholics, made his current head of state a fornicator, and has at least once described the ) Remember the embassy trials? That opening speech was OOC funny, though IC the members didn't laugh because their lives were on the line. :)

As I said, just misunderstood.

Also, I think that Chimaea is right about me and the whole IC/OOC thing- I don't hate OOC players because their IC nations do things I hate. Also, I must admit I do have a bias toward "good" nations- that is, people who don't play their nations as "villains." My RP hiatus is still on, and my country's preparing for invasion. but if Melkor OOC decides the invasion's not worth it by then, that's OK by me.

Well, let me put it this way. If he decides to invade you, I'll be cheering him on. If not, I'll be congratulating him on good decision.

Also, if the invasion does come, and I defeat it before it gets on land, great. :D But if it looks like Metus gets a beachead and gets a good amount of ground, I'd rather the RP wind up as a "Syskeyia comes back from the brink of defeat to finally victory" than a "Melkor tramples Syskeyia and dances all over Syskeyiapolis" kind of think. Thionk of it this way- it's like we're all writing a large story, and would you have liked to read Lord of the Rings if in the end Sauron took the Ring, destroyed the Fellowship and conquered Middle Earth. [size=1]If you answer yes to that question, there are some serious problems with you.[/i]

Yes, to be frank. Also, when I read fairy tales as a little boy, I cheered for the Wicked Witch. You see, in real life, Sauron would have not only won, but he would have been viewed as the side of right. Just like in Star Wars, I honestly did support the Empire. Not because I'm evil, or they are evil, or anything like that...but because I felt that the rulers of the galaxy should continue to rule, and does it matter if they destroy a couple of rogue planets? God no.

Where this is all leading, Sysk, is that essentially, Melkor is not only going to win if he invades you, but essentially he deserves to win. You're not going to have some miraculous escape. You're going to die, and Uruk-Hai and easterners are going to dance in the shattered ruins of your cities.

I dunno about good guys and bad guys, but I do know that Nationstates isn't real life. If Melkor has these science fiction/fantasy elements, we're not dealing with real life, we're dealing with a story. And a story can have any ending at all.

I also know that a lot of you are being really, really sad in even being annoyed by what some other player in this internet game does. I mean yeah I've been annoyed a few times, like when idiots ruined a promising story about Africa, but it's not like my annoyance really lasted long, or I took it seriously. You guys seem to be doing just that.

You know the funniest thing about it is that 'nice' nations (ICly) that have principles in direct opposition to Melkor, Arda or whoever are sitting by and letting a fairly decent (ICly, and OOCly too in my opinion) nation, who did withdraw the stupid death penalty thing which was done without thought, get invaded by said enemies.

Syskeyia told me that during the invasion of Melkor's Mars territories, he was there in response to a request by Siri et al. Dunno if that's true, I'm taking it in face value, but if it is...

Syskeyia, I think it's time you called the favour.

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edit: this is too good to miss.

No, I think he's bisexual and I know what your opinion is on that.

That's nice, so do I. He still doesn't hate him though. He might disapprove of it but I can't see the point of hating people he never even met--oh wait, the rest of you are doing it too :) No, no, I'm mistaken! You don't hate him, you're just taking out your pent-up anger at him! My bad.

And this has what to do with anything?

I think he was trying to point out that he liked the way Matty RPs his nation. A fair enough point. He'll have to correct me if I'm wrong.

No, you hate IC nations because of OOC things you hate, which is so much better.

Didn't he just say he didn't? I'm pretty sure he did.

Thank you. For a minute I forgot the meaning of the word 'good.' Nice to have it explained.

Thank you. For a minute I forgot the meaning of "asshole". Nice to have it demonstrated.

And I doubt after that little 'arbitary death penalty on a foreign citizen for a victimless non-crime' stunt anyone thinks you're the 'good guy' anymore.

Oh wait, didn't he retract the arbitary death penalty? Yeah he did! Didn't he tell us it was a mistake and he doesn't really hate the TB player OOCly? Hey he did that too! So we're all good now aren't we :) Or do you hate him for his beliefs instead of just disagreeing with him?

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I don't really have a thing against you, GMC, but you've been really awful in this thread. But I suppose it's too much to expect you to apologise, like Syskeyia did? Come on, surprise me.

OOC:
Yes, to be frank. Also, when I read fairy tales as a little boy, I cheered for the Wicked Witch. You see, in real life, Sauron would have not only won, but he would have been viewed as the side of right. Just like in Star Wars, I honestly did support the Empire. Not because I'm evil, or they are evil, or anything like that...but because I felt that the rulers of the galaxy should continue to rule, and does it matter if they destroy a couple of rogue planets? God no.

Where this is all leading, Sysk, is that essentially, Melkor is not only going to win if he invades you, but essentially he deserves to win. You're not going to have some miraculous escape. You're going to die, and Uruk-Hai and easterners are going to dance in the shattered ruins of your cities.

In other words, might makes right. IMHO, people who believe in that stupid philosophy wind up in a very specific place:

http://www.d.umn.edu/~mohs0025/funny/hell.gif

(No, I am not judging the state of your soul, Roan. Just stating my opinion.)

Chimaea, you've been answering the questions pretty well. Yes, Syskeyia IC does reflect my OOC beliefs, but then so do most of the NS nations are the same in that sense. I believe most NS players play two different "kinds" of countries: (1) Countries that reflect their own beliefs and values and (2) evil "tyrant" nations who torture, warmonger etc. My belief is to try to be friendly towards the decent nations who aren't anti-Catholic/Christian/morality and be friends with them. I hate "tyrant" nations and especially dislike it when they try to make themselves invincible (like Belem with his OMFG I HAVE TEH SOCIAL CONDITIONING SO EVERYBODY SUPPORTS MY EVIL EMPEROR OMFG!) and win all the time.

Also, it seems that people seem a bit *biased* toward the villian nations. Why can't I have a large army (which is, BTW, less than 5% of my population and well funded) when nobody bats an eye at Melkor, GDODAD and the countless other tyrant nations who seemingly have massive uber-armies of doom that can defeat anyone and everyone at once?

Also, I'd like to say "thanks, not interested" to Melkor's wanting to invade me. Maybe Morgoth can change his mind and decide not to invade. Frankly, I was just fine, still watching the West African RP and thinking about my country, when Melkor TGs me saying that "you probably know this already, but I've just condemned you so... yeah." WHich ouf course freaks me out and makes me place my country on DEFCON 1 if not higher.

Furthermore, I was talking about this issue with my family, and my mom hated the fact that GMC called me a "f-----' idiot" and suggests I just totally turn of NS during this summer class I'm taking because she doesn't want anyone insulting me. For a moderator to insult anybody would be, IMHO, below the dignity of such an office.

No, I think he's bisexual and I know what your opinion is on that.

Eh. Don't approve of homosexual activity, but I don't blame Matty if he's got a bisexual orientation. Personally I don't speculate on the OOC sexuality of NS players. Doesn't affect how I RP with him. I do admit I would get, um, queasy in the stomach if some homosexual/bisexual guy was attracted to me, but that's because I'm a straight male and I wouldn't kill anyone for that.

I'd like the invasion to be off and get back to normal, but anyway...

Since when is Lavenrunz in the CACE?

Since never, but Lavenrunz is in Metus. :D

*prays that NS server accepts this long post*

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Fuck this.

Furthermore, I was talking about this issue with my family, and my mom hated the fact that GMC called me a "f-----' idiot" and suggests I just totally turn of NS during this summer class I'm taking because she doesn't want anyone insulting me. For a moderator to insult anybody would be, IMHO, below the dignity of such an office.




:shock: You serious?

Furthermore, I was talking about this issue with my family, and my mom hated the fact that GMC called me a "f-----' idiot" and suggests I just totally turn of NS during this summer class I'm taking because she doesn't want anyone insulting me. For a moderator to insult anybody would be, IMHO, below the dignity of such an office.




:shock: You serious?

Furthermore, I was talking about this issue with my family, and my mom hated the fact that GMC called me a "f-----' idiot" and suggests I just totally turn of NS during this summer class I'm taking because she doesn't want anyone insulting me. For a moderator to insult anybody would be, IMHO, below the dignity of such an office.




:shock: You serious?

f--- this.

Um, could you elaborate? :?

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

[quote]Also, if the invasion does come, and I defeat it before it gets on land, great. :D But if it looks like Metus gets a beachead and gets a good amount of ground, I'd rather the RP wind up as a "Syskeyia comes back from the brink of defeat to finally victory" than a "Melkor tramples Syskeyia and dances all over Syskeyiapolis" kind of think. Thionk of it this way- it's like we're all writing a large story, and would you have liked to read Lord of the Rings if in the end Sauron took the Ring, destroyed the Fellowship and conquered Middle Earth. [size=1]If you answer yes to that question, there are some serious problems with you.[/i]

Yes, to be frank. Also, when I read fairy tales as a little boy, I cheered for the Wicked Witch. You see, in real life, Sauron would have not only won, but he would have been viewed as the side of right. Just like in Star Wars, I honestly did support the Empire. Not because I'm evil, or they are evil, or anything like that...but because I felt that the rulers of the galaxy should continue to rule, and does it matter if they destroy a couple of rogue planets? God no.


Long Live Emperor Palpatine!

It actual makes sense that the bad guy wins considering most of the time they have the most stuff and/or the best stuff. And the only reason the good guys win is through plot loopholes or through the utter incompetence of the bad guy "yes Mr. Bond I will know tell you my overly complicated plan over dinner then leave you in a room where the walls are slowly closing and have no guards to make sure you die. Now please go back to the suite I provided you with and prepare to die."

Also most of the Cthulhu Mythos books end in the bad guy winning cause the people trying to stop cthulhu though they may succeed in stopping one part of the plan but ultimately go insane in the face of the elder gods.

[quote]Also, if the invasion does come, and I defeat it before it gets on land, great. :D But if it looks like Metus gets a beachead and gets a good amount of ground, I'd rather the RP wind up as a "Syskeyia comes back from the brink of defeat to finally victory" than a "Melkor tramples Syskeyia and dances all over Syskeyiapolis" kind of think. Thionk of it this way- it's like we're all writing a large story, and would you have liked to read Lord of the Rings if in the end Sauron took the Ring, destroyed the Fellowship and conquered Middle Earth. [size=1]If you answer yes to that question, there are some serious problems with you.[/i]

Yes, to be frank. Also, when I read fairy tales as a little boy, I cheered for the Wicked Witch. You see, in real life, Sauron would have not only won, but he would have been viewed as the side of right. Just like in Star Wars, I honestly did support the Empire. Not because I'm evil, or they are evil, or anything like that...but because I felt that the rulers of the galaxy should continue to rule, and does it matter if they destroy a couple of rogue planets? God no.


Long Live Emperor Palpatine!

It actual makes sense that the bad guy wins considering most of the time they have the most stuff and/or the best stuff. And the only reason the good guys win is through plot loopholes or through the utter incompetence of the bad guy "yes Mr. Bond I will know tell you my overly complicated plan over dinner then leave you in a room where the walls are slowly closing and have no guards to make sure you die. Now please go back to the suite I provided you with and prepare to die."

Also most of the Cthulhu Mythos books end in the bad guy winning cause the people trying to stop cthulhu though they may succeed in stopping one part of the plan but ultimately go insane in the face of the elder gods.

f--- this.

Um, could you elaborate? :?

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Oh yes, I can elaborate.

You speak of 'thinking about it like we're writing one big story,' yet you definately have the mentaility of a gamer, not a storyteller, given your viewpoints. It's not to say that good RPers and gaming mentalities are mutually exclusive, but it does help, I've found, to be more of a pseudo-ST [storyteller] in a free-form setting like this one. Where you're making your mistake is assuming the story ends with you. The Syskeyia/Imperium war would be a microcosm of the good/evil conflict in NS, not the exemplification of it.

Sometimes, for the sake of a story, we've got to do things we don't want to do. Like, say, lose colonies on Mars, or get your 00ber expensive space station shot up by those Yut bastards. But ultimately, the payoff for this is you tend to earn just a teeeny tiny bit more respect from your fellow gamers if you can demonstrate you're here to entertain as opposed to being preoccupied with powergaming.

Like I said, I'm not here to end anyone's storyline, and I definately don't want people to stop playing NS because I'm about to kick their ass, that's no fun. But I won't be insisting that you kill off all of your major characters, or even your entire military, etc etc.

But alas, I digress. Playing NS should be about half storytelling and half RPing, I beleive. But once someone puts themselves in a position where they can be taken advantage of by one or more parties, then more than often they're at the mercy of whatever is feasible for that particular storyline or thread or what-have-you. Syskeyia, whether through his own actions or not, seems to exemplify this: he's made some pretty powerful enemies [me :P] and has somehow [again, rightly or wrongly] managed to alienate himself from a smattering of allies. Unfortunately, this makes him a perfect target for Morgoth: politically isolated, but strong enough militarily to maintain some semblance of honor on the battlefield.

Ultimately, I don't see Syskeyia winning this war, but if he can outsmart me tactically and/or strategically to a point where I can no longer operate in an offensive capacity, I'll withdraw. As for 'defeating the invasion before it reaches land,' you might as well try moving Mount Everest with a backhoe, since that's about as probable to happen.

Also, your point about the 'bad guys' having larger militaries is sort of lost on me. When was the last time you read a book or saw a movie where the protagonists had a larger power/military base than their adversaries? Notice how anyone who suggests invading Mordor overland get laughed out of the room in the Lord of the Rings? Ever notice how in Star Wars the Rebels actually have to *slaps his face in mock shock* use their heads and not their guns? Even the Matrix is an excellent example of this: you don't see people in Zion whining because it's 'not fair,' or they're 'due for a win.' The whole point of a good story is conflict, and generally this means giving the 'bad guys' some manner of advantage: generally, these are military advantages, but exceptions can be found.

OOC:
I hate "tyrant" nations and especially dislike it when they try to make themselves invincible (like Belem with his OMFG I HAVE TEH SOCIAL CONDITIONING SO EVERYBODY SUPPORTS MY EVIL EMPEROR OMFG!) and win all the time.


I never said social conditioning was perfect it does help because it is very easy to sway the masses. Also the people in Belem are generally treated well so they have no reason to hate the government.

And look in RL how many people supported the dictator most of germany willingly supported hitler up to the end, most if italy supported mussolinni till they started losing the war. The Russians supported Stalin. Hell there were French and Danish SS divisions.

Actually according to this: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weapons_and_manpower.htm the Allied had more people than the Axis, specially close to the last few years.

So it's not always the case in real life lol

So... how come I don't get flamed and he does?

EDIT: Btw, this thread shouldn't be an issue--Melkor or someone from Metus should have asked Syskeyia if they wanted to RP the war and discussed it via Telegram before launching a thread. Or have we all forgotten this bit of etiquette?

Well thats because the Allies had more nations with larger populations. The U.S. had 120 million people. The U.S.S.R. had 150 i believe. England only had 60 million people(and it shows in there amount of troops)

Germany had 80 million people
And Japan had between 40-60 million

If Germany and Japan had more people they would of fielded larger armies.

Meh, matters little at the end of the day either way.

But on the other hand wasn't The Return of The King flick severely hurt by the absence of The Scorching Of The Shire?

OOC: Edited out to save time along with about another hour worth of material. Look for it in the extended version.

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Actually according to this: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weapons_and_manpower.htm the Allied had more people than the Axis, specially close to the last few years.

So it's not always the case in real life lol

So... how come I don't get flamed and he does?

EDIT: Btw, this thread shouldn't be an issue--Melkor or someone from Metus should have asked Syskeyia if they wanted to RP the war and discussed it via Telegram before launching a thread. Or have we all forgotten this bit of etiquette?

I can't beleive you actually posted that. Did I get a Telegram asking me if I wanted my Mars colonies invaded? No, I didn't.

Also your point about relative military strength iin WWII totally ignores my point: I was referring to stories, not real life. Since NationStates =/= Real Life, I think it's safe to assume we should gear its' environemnt primarily around the principle of it being a primarily fantasy setting.

About your first point: it doesn't negate the fact that you should have been the better man/woman/warlord, and telegramed him. And that they should have telegramed you before they invaded your Mars colonies. Just because they did something wrong too doesn't make it right.

About your second point, I wasn't denying what you said, just making a comment on real life versus stories.

I suddenly realised a few minutes ago, while reading the first bit of this thread, that it was, in fact, intended to be an IC or at least pseudo IC thread and has now degenerated into little more than petty bickering, from both sides.

I don't think I'm going out on too much of a limb in locking this: if Syskeyia or anyone else wishes to discuss this matter [without the flaming *eyes GMC* and such], feel free to start a new topic. Until then, I suggest we all releive ourselves of this issue.