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The bunker must be at least 20,000 sq feet and it must be 400 feet underground. It must be hardened by 20-30 feet of concrete and steel.

It must be completely self-contained.

I want it able to withstand a direct hit from a hydrogren bomb.

Also make quarters for 1000 soldiers for at least 2 years.

Thank you

OOC: My god, you are getting annoying ><

A direct hit from a hydrogen bomb (Any specific tonnage?) usualy results in everything within about a hundred yards (It really varies based on tonnage, again) being vaporized, with damage spreading out in rings from that point, getting less severe as you get further out.
I think the average extent of a WWII Atomic Bomb was ten miles, a modern bomb/missile can do more, again, depending on tonnage.

A direct hit from a hydrogen bomb (Any specific tonnage?) usualy results in everything within about a hundred yards (It really varies based on tonnage, again) being vaporized, with damage spreading out in rings from that point, getting less severe as you get further out.
I think the average extent of a WWII Atomic Bomb was ten miles, a modern bomb/missile can do more, again, depending on tonnage.

Yes but most shelters aren't 400+ Feet underground...

Better make it 1,000 feet underground. I'll pay extra. If you want the job get working, I Want it ready in several months game time (lets say 14 days real time)

OOC: My god, you are getting annoying ><

I am new to this, I suggest you ignore me for 3-4 months until such time that you may find me less annoying... Other than that I would ask that you capitalize God's name and that you don't speak unless you have something worth saying. You can disagree with and seek to debate me, but just don't call me annoying please.

Oh BTW, I consider jokes worth saying. I am a man of humor afterall. So joke away friend :)

If you mean all out destruction from a nuclear weapon, hmm.. a 5,000 megaton nuclear warhead :P

Calculated Values - 20 Megaton Nuclear Warhead
Thermal radiation radius (3rd degree burns) : 39.8 kilometres
Air blast radius (widespread destruction) : 19.4 kilometres
Air blast radius (near-total fatalities) : 7.4 kilometres
Ionizing radiation radius (500 rem) : 5.5 kilometres
Fireball duration : 17.3 seconds
Fireball radius (minimum) : 1.4 kilometres
Fireball radius (airburst) : 1.8 kilometres
Fireball radius (ground-contact airburst) : 2.3 kilometres


All figures assume optimum burst height

Thermal radiation is non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation which has a significant heating effect. Air is virtually transparent to thermal radiation. At the destructive radius, the thermal radiation intensity is sufficient to cause lethal burns.

The first air blast is 4.6psi overpressure, which is sufficient to collapse most residential and industrial structures. Note that exposed humans can actually survive such a blast, about 1/3 bar above standard. However, that much pressure exerted against the face of a building exerts very high force (a 40 foot tall, 50 foot wide structure would be hit with more than 600 tons-force).

The second air blast category is 20psi overpressure, which is sufficient to destroy virtually any large above-ground structure and cause nearly 100% fatalities.

Ionizing radiation is electromagnetic radiation of sufficient frequency (and hence energy) to literally "knock off" electrons from atoms, thus ionizing them. Ionizing radiation is extremely dangerous but it is also strongly absorbed by air, unlike thermal radiation. At the 500rem dosage, mortality is between 50% and 90%, although this can be mitigated with prompt and sophisticated medical care (which may not be available in the aftermath of a nuclear attack).

Fireball duration is based on emission intensity reduction to 10% of peak.

Fireball radius is based on a scaling law from "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" (1977), Chapter IIc, from excerpts reprinted at EnviroWeb. According to that source, fireball radius scales with (Y^0.4), where Y is yield. Also note that a ground-contact airburst creates a larger fireball because some of the energy is reflected back up from the surface.

I doubt such a bunker could be built. Maybe with future-tech, but even then...

Lets do a little calculations, shall we?
Say the bunker had 20,000 square feet and was just a big box underground. No kitchens, beds, showers, lavatories, anything; just a big empty space. Stick those 1000 troops you want in there. Each guy has about 20sqr feet of space. While my math may be wrong, i think this amounts to something around a 4.5'x4.5' box. Now factor in all the stuff you would need to keep not only the soldiers alive, but everyone else as well. The bunker would have to be substantially larger than 20,000 square feet, and I have doubts something that large would be able to stand up to all the dirt pressing down on it.

Edit: I think a better bet would be to either A) buy a flying space fortress of fascist solitude or B) take a page from Saddams book and dig yourself a spider hole. Of course, when your country invariably gets invaded, your leadership can always take refugee in Skeelzania (if your a future-tech nation), since we are Monarcho-Fascists...

very well, then make it 500,000 sq feet and 1,000 feet under ground. I want 3 access / exit ways into the bunker. Two secret, 1 open to an above ground army base.

Most likely wil need to be larger than 500,000 as well... ><

Then build me an underground city... That is my dream, to have a city undeground.

Magdhan Archetects are amongst the finest in the world.

We have built our palaces in Varanasi, Ayodhya, and our summer palace near Munich Bavaria so that in the event of an atomic attack the palace actually decends into the ground 300 feet (They are build on a giant elevator) and is covered with 3 blast doors.

We can do the same for your palace. We just have to dig some tunnels under it, place the support beams(which decend 1000 More feet into the ground) and put it on the elevator.

This process is guaranteed not to damage the palace.

Magdhan Archetects are amongst the finest in the world.

We have built our palaces in Varanasi, Ayodhya, and our summer palace near Munich Bavaria so that in the event of an atomic attack the palace actually decends into the ground 300 feet (They are build on a giant elevator) and is covered with 3 blast doors.

We can do the same for your palace. We just have to dig some tunnels under it, place the support beams(which decend 1000 More feet into the ground) and put it on the elevator.

This process is guaranteed not to damage the palace.

Then please begin at once on building one for my presidential retreat / estate in Central Province.

Thank you.

I would prefer it be finished within 10-20 real days.

We will meet that deadline, please supply some laborers.

Our engineers and materials are being sent by c-130 as we speak.

We will meet that deadline, please supply some laborers.

Our engineers and materials are being sent by c-130 as we speak.

You can have access to 2,000 convict laborers. (Political prisoners), if you need more I can have more arrested.

#Tag# I like your methods, FWS.

And you might want to construct it under a mountain, that is where most modern underground bases get constructed, probably because placing your underground complex under a big mountain increases the amount of dirt (rock in this case) that is over the facility, further shielding it from nuclear attack.

I'm interested in seeing your methoods, Magdha. Even NORAD can't withstand a direct nuclear strike.

I'm interested in seeing your methoods, Magdha. Even NORAD can't withstand a direct nuclear strike.

It's quite simple,

Tunnels are built under the palace and drilling rigs drive down 2000 Foot long ploes into the earth.

The poles are made of Depleted uranium covered in lead. The Support beams hold up a DU foundation for the palace, this hold the palace up during the next phase

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1000 Feet of dirt is removed from under the palace which is held up by a depleted uranium structure held up by hundreds of 5 foot thick DU poles.

Each DU pole is then given a stucture around the circumfrence which allows the DU support foundatiuon to decend and ascend.

The final step is to place a closing Blast door 10 Feet deep in the shaft. It is 30 feet thick Depleted uranium and Lead.

We will meet that deadline, please supply some laborers.

Our engineers and materials are being sent by c-130 as we speak.

You can have access to 2,000 convict laborers. (Political prisoners), if you need more I can have more arrested.

im sorry, this has nothing to do with the topic

but that underlined statement is, by far, one of the funniest quotes i've seen in a long time....good job

Please send laborers, we are perparing phase 1.

Please send laborers, we are perparing phase 1.


Since the regime change that took place in the FWS, the new President Alexander Rhodes will no longer finance the building of the bunker. However a coalition of generals has decided to use their own funds and provide army soldiers as labor. This of course is being done without Alexander's approval or knowledge.