NationStates Jolt Archive

On July 23, 2004 A.D. the famed Klonor Empire, ruler of Deneb, Epsilon Pegasi, Regulus, Gamma Draconis, Ross128, and Tau Ceti, shall rise from the ashes and claim what is rightfully theirs.

I don't yet have the smallest clue as to how I'll do it (There are many options, some being that the Duke is alive, the DRA conquers all the lost systems, SR-2091 uses its advanced technology to subjugate the DRA, etc.) but I just want it to be known that it shall happen on that day. Be happy, for soon (not even three months!) you shall once again know the name of Klonor! w00t!

*Digs into his two new moons like a texas tick.*

.::TAG::.

Do I get to be involved?

*Ponders doing his best to stop the reunion, does'nt like the thought of a united Klonor*

It might be re-fromed, but will it be reformed?

You push me Nanak. I think you shall be dealt with :twisted:

IC wars for OOC reasons is n00bish. You'd lose all of your hard-earned respect by people like me. All I ask is for you to fix the typo in your title. A simple edit will do.

Nope, somehow I think it is YOU who shall be dealt with this time, Klonor, especially if you start "reclaiming" places that are now under the control of other people. Yes, I mean Epsilon Pegasi, which you have now LOST for all eternity, or do you really think that everyone would just give it back to you, happily cheering for you? Things don't work that way, and somehow I predict that there's a hell to pay if you invade that system, for one.

There are many things that must be taken into consideration, all of them are negative things to you, that you somehow have "forgotten" or something. For example, there's the thing about you being in a very much weakened state. Or at least you should be in that since there was that fall and all, but you didn't even apparently "fall" after all, you're just doing what you did before with a bit more thought put in it. Then there's the thing that your nation's population should be practically rebelling against the new dictatorial leadership, unless Klonor's normal state is, in fact, a North Korean styled dictatorship. Lil Miss, apparently, took control of much of your shipbuilding capacity, crippling your "mighty" warmachine even more. Of course, there are many other things to consider too, but those are the most pressing ones to my knowledge.

Your empire, even in its current state, is a BIT too large to act like North Korea. Much of your fleet would have to be used to patrol the damn planets you own, causing your "Draconian-Rossian Alliance" to be very ineffective indeed, and if you were to attack anyone with that alliance's full force, you'd have to take the chance of it falling apart due to revolutions when your fleet's away. And when those people would taste freedom, somehow I doubt that they'd rally even behind your precious Duke.

DISCLAIMER: The poster does not take responsibility of the understandability of this post, nor did he mean it to be a flame. This post was written whilst very tired, which effectively halved the typing capacity of the writer, which is why the poster denounces all responsibility of anything that this post might cause.

I fear you empire will have to give way to new empires Klonor, empires rise and fall, they seldom rise again...

Wow, what a cooincidence. I to plan to re-enter Nationstates around that time, if a little earlier - about July 7th (which is when my exams finish). Perhaps we could work out something that involves both of us? Anyway, looking forward to seeing your old glory days come back... and mine too, hopefully.

Klonor, i'd appreciate if you posted on the ESUS forums your territorial claims (or what will be yours) - they can be found at http://esus.illspirit.co.uk/ - look in general and then in the appropriate topic. I'm finally going to finish that program I planned.

OOC: If the Klonor people could be whipped into extreme nationalism (It's time to restore the empire and kick out these foreign devils!), then they could possibly rally behind the Duke. The Duke has already come back from the dead once, I'd wager that the people revere him almost as a god. There is a good chance that they'll rally behind the Lazarus like Duke. If that happens, Klonor will likely have enough power to retake his systems.

He'll have to go for Deneb first for his shipyards, but after that he'll probably begin a bloody war of revenge against all the space powers that are holding a peice of Klonor territory right now. (Including *gulp* me. All I can say is that you aren't getting my moons without a fight Klonor! :twisted:)

Anyway, I was under the impression that when Klonor was 'killed' much of his fleet was intact. I thought that his government fell due to the Duke's killing (as all monarchies do without a clear line of succession.) So while his government is no more, all of his infrastructure (and fleet) should be reasonably intact.

Lastly, Revolutions at home don't necessarily need to be stopped with a fleet. Secret police, ground military forces, and especially the creative use of terror can all discourage uprisings almost as well as a fleet overhead.

I'm confident that Klonor will find a way, or pull a rabbit out of his hat. He always does. :wink:

He'll have to go for Deneb first for his shipyards, but after that he'll probably begin a bloody war of revenge against all the space powers that are holding a peice of Klonor territory right now. (Including *gulp* me. All I can say is that you aren't getting my moons without a fight Klonor! :twisted:)

Considering his FTL, he'd have to go through... Well, if Lil Miss has a sucky fleet, he might just need what's in Regulus. He'd have to go through Sirius to go there. But for reinforcements, he'd have to go, if they're coming from Gamma Draconis, through Capella, and from there through an unstable node of Vega-Capella or the unstable node that goes through hostile territory of Epsilon Pegasi, then to Vega or Polaris... From Ross, it'd be a bit better, but still bad. Delta Serpentis, Beta Aquilae, Vega, Deneb. His systems are too far apart for the alliance to coordinate its attacks perfectly.

And he'd never be able to completely remove Ermor's "touch" from Epsilon Pegasi.

(And there's one space nation that's currently in absolute, insane frenzy against Klonor.)

So while his government is no more, all of his infrastructure (and fleet) should be reasonably intact.

Considering that they have extensively fought with each other, those bits of Klonor, and Lil Miss, obviously, took some of it, I must say that his fleet must be in a pretty damn bad shape. Yes, his Duke was killed, but you did not take the internal strife to consideration.

Lastly, Revolutions at home don't necessarily need to be stopped with a fleet. Secret police, ground military forces, and especially the creative use of terror can all discourage uprisings almost as well as a fleet overhead.

You'd be bankrupt if you went that far. Somehow I guess local ground troops would be the first to revolt anyway, so that doesn't work. You'd need people who you can trust to be loyal, and thusly, the fleet is required. You're obviously forgetting that the current dictatorship spans THREE systems, not North Korea. ;-)

By the way, this thread is OOC in its entrity, so you don't have to make the OOC sign here.

You're quite right about the logistical difficulties of Klonor's systems. I didn't take subspace technology into consideration.

I'm not too sure about the fleet being in bad shape. The Klonor capital ships are built to last, I'd expect that outright losses would be fairly small. Granted they've been fighting each other for quite some time, but those seem to have been minor skirmishes and not large scale battles where capital ships are likely to be rendered inopeable en masse.

About the civilian infrastructure, you're probably correct. I didn't take civilian strife into consideration. I'd imagine the first day would be one of near constant rioting and looting.

Finally, I wasn't proposing that all three ideas be used to maintain order. (That would be, as you say, very expensive.) But rather, just one or two. Have a secret police force for each system, and publically execute a few dissenters. The people will usually be pretty cowed quickly.

The DRA government could have other ways of convincing the people to keep in line. (Appealing to nationalism, fear, coercion, trickery, etc.)

Nanakaland, I was joking. I hold you in to high a regard to declare a war on you for no reason (besides, I'd get my ass kicked)

Ermor, the people who control Epsilon Pegasi are Taka and Vernii. You, and a few others, have been sold numerous amounts of moons and asteroids. Yor claims will not be challenged in any way, and Vernii and Taka have known about this for a long time (not that I was setting a specific date, but that I was planning on reforming the KE) They're fine with it. Hell, we've even drawn up the conditions for Taka having its homeworld in EP. So, what are the problems there? I'm not going to invade (at least I don't think I will) and if you declared war on me for taking over the system, you'd be doing so for absolutely no reason.

The Mindset: I have long since left the ESUS, but I'll post anyway (since I really do want that map) Funny thing: I still have the telegram you sent me over 200 days ago with a link to an early version of the map

Central Facehuggeria, you're correct on almost all accounts. The entire government was brutally murderd, but just the government. At max, it's 1,000 people dead. The only ships even damaged would be Elsysium transports who might have been carrying senators or the like. Of course, in the many wars and revolutions that happened afterwards there have been many ships destroyed (Even three Achilles. That was a major loss. I probably should not have made them blow up), but in the actual Fall there wouldn't have been any fleet damage.

And that rabbit was dead before I put him in the hat!

Ermor (a second time), I have a few surpirses on the FTL front :twisted:

If I do chose to invade any of the systems there wont be any problems do to distance or Jump-Node connectivity.

And I really did think this would be a happy thread. I got along with almost everybody OOC (except for a few people) and I was expecting joy at me coming back to power. Well, I guess I wasn't as well liked as I thought.

I need a hug

Hmmm... the question on everyone's lips is, why would anyone ICly let you put yourself back together, Klonor? As it is, you're weak. No one is going to allow you to pull yourself back together unless there will be benefits for themselves.

I'd like to think it's because I did more good than bad IC'ly. Well, that's if you forget the time General Salm killed the Duke and attacked Capsule Corporation for no reason. Oh, and the time I conquered Bobaria for no reason. Ah, and when I declared war on a modern tech nation that settled on some uninhabited and worthless islands I had on Earth.

Well, at least I have pretty ships

I'd like to think it's because I did more good than bad IC'ly. Well, that's if you forget the time General Salm killed the Duke and attacked Capsule Corporation for no reason. Oh, and the time I conquered Bobaria for no reason. Ah, and when I declared war on a modern tech nation that settled on some uninhabited and worthless islands I had on Earth.

Well, at least I have pretty ships

Ah... tell me, would you object if I invaded you and stomped you to the ground, before annexing your planets?

After killing every man, woman, and child and salting the ground so that nothing can ever grow again, of course. That's preferrable than to you resuming your imperialist bent.

May I ask what imperialist bent you are referring to? Except for the afore mentioned events (All of which were the ideas of those who I attacked) I have done nothing imperialistic.

May I ask what imperialist bent you are referring to? Except for the afore mentioned events (All of which were the ideas of those who I attacked) I have done nothing imperialistic.
I need to test my new Fuel Air Explosives... still, I suppose I could just use my prison population. If you need a hand in getting your empire back together, ICly contact us. Might as well assist you, it's now more in character than attacking you.

The Mindset: I have long since left the ESUS, but I'll post anyway (since I really do want that map) Funny thing: I still have the telegram you sent me over 200 days ago with a link to an early version of the map


Oh no, I wasn't asking you to join ESUS. I was asking you as an ally to post your territory so it may be incorporated into the ESUS map.

Well, if I was a future tech nation, I'd support your claim, simply because it would make the whole thing more interesting (+ I like Freespace tech wars, with that little bit extra)

Mindset, I posted, but I had to make a membership account to do it

Yor claims will not be challenged in any way, and Vernii and Taka have known about this for a long time (not that I was setting a specific date, but that I was planning on reforming the KE) They're fine with it.

The last time you spoke of this you said you're bent on conquering Epsilon Pegasi, so I wouldn't call my post unjustified nor unprovoked, as I obviously assumed that you'd do what you said you would do. The joke card works only so many times. You can't say every time that you were just joking when you said it.

Of course, in the many wars and revolutions that happened afterwards there have been many ships destroyed (Even three Achilles. That was a major loss. I probably should not have made them blow up), but in the actual Fall there wouldn't have been any fleet damage.

DUH, like this wasn't what I spoke of. CF mostly just agreed upon the stuff that I brought up. The fall was the *cause* of the many wars and revolutions that should have caused your fleet to become weak. Considering that Lil Miss now controls much of your shipbuilding capacity, the Draconian-Rossian alliance should be weak, for reasons stated before.

Ermor (a second time), I have a few surpirses on the FTL front :twisted:

Your COLONY has them. That colony != "Draconian-Rossian alliance". It's the damn alliance that I would see invading systems and I have spoken of, not the people in yer colony. Unless you suddenly claim that the alliance has all the same tech your colony has.

And I really did think this would be a happy thread. I got along with almost everybody OOC (except for a few people) and I was expecting joy at me coming back to power. Well, I guess I wasn't as well liked as I thought.

Well, considering that this is the SECOND TIME you're doing the same thing with a bit more thought put into it this time, I would have expected, if I were you, people to not be all that happy. You see, people have a tendency of gettin tired of seeing the same thing happen again and again. You could've done something REALLY surprising, but no, you brought your ancient duke back. Back to the old and safe in a few months, but with better technology!

Mindset, I posted, but I had to make a membership account to do it

I was under the impression that I had allowed guest posting... Thanks, anyway. I'll TG you when it's finished... unless you wish to beta test (when I finish the tile engine.)

Congratulations on your soon-to-be reformation. We hope that we will be allies for a long time.

Are you talking about the post that I made in the Auction thread? Cause I thought it was pretty damn obivous that I was joking. No matter what you say, if I was joking then I was joking (it doesn't matter how many times I joked before that)

No, my colony has Nexus technology. The DRA has that as well. I invented Nexus technology months ago. Hell, almost all my Achilles class Battleships are equipped with it. That's not what I'm talking about with my surprise.

What are you talking about "this is the SECOND TIME you're doing the same thing"? I take it you're referring to the time General Salm killed the Duke and then attacked Capsule Corporation, but that was a totally different situation. I had the Duke just pop back into power then because, if you didn't notice, that RP sucked. It made no sense. I, and everybody else, had no fun from that. The KE was still in existence, just with a different (and more evil leader). I just wanted to end that sad experiment.

This is just a way to open more RP possibilities. In case you didn't notice, I set the date for almost 3 months away. There will be RP's where the Duke takes over the DRA (or the colony of SR-2091, or some other thing), RP's where he goes after Deneb, where he goes after Epsilon Pegasi, where he attemtps to re-institute government. RP's where he negotiaties with you (and whoever else is in EP) for contro. RP's where he does this or that. This isn't just the Duke popping back into power and everything going back to the way it was.

Congratulations on your soon-to-be reformation. We hope that we will be allies for a long time.

Thanks TF.

I stand corrected on the technology bit then, although it sounds a bit too much like the Kanuckistani "We Insta Teleport Anywhere in teh UNIVARS!" technology. And about the auction thread, considering the past, I don't see how you thought it would've been obvious that you were just joking.

Yes, this IS the second time you're doing the same thing. And yes, I was referring to the thing with General Salm. To this point, this newer change in your... Empire has been exactly the same as that earlier one, with the distinct exception that this time you've actually thought it through a bit better. On my personal opinion, you should've let your Duke DIE already, and instead let his (bastard) son or something claim the throne. Isn't that Duke of yours, based on your own time, hundreds of years old? What is he, a Numenorian or a damn elf in human disguise? Or is he undead?-P

And everything I've said in this thread, as the topic suggests, has been OOC.

The Duke is sterile, he has no children. All his relatives are dead (killed each other in a contest to see who would be the next Duke after this Duke died). There are no heirs to the throne.

Anyway, as I said in the other thread, the Duke is immortal. He's been immortal since September (I think). No matter what happens, he'll come back to life. The only question is how long before he comes back, and under what conditions.

And no, this is entirely different. Unless you missed it, last time the Empire just got a new leader. That was it. This time: The Empire is gone. How is this the same thing?

Just looked back, and he's been immortal since October, not September

So, he was really frikkin old before becoming immortal, too? Interesting... But I guess I don't really care about what's happening in your empire, so you do what you do, and the undead of Ermor shall continue their dark quest. This'll be enough.

So, he was really frikkin old before becoming immortal, too? Interesting... But I guess I don't really care about what's happening in your empire, so you do what you do, and the undead of Ermor shall continue their dark quest. This'll be enough.

I think you'll find many leaders have reigned for several hundred IC years simply because it's easier to keep track of them. My own will be celebrating his 750th year in office soon, and the only reason he can do this is because of cloning technology and memory trasnfer. However, there are other nations besides Klonor that claim immortality. As long as it doesn't reduce the overall quality of RPs, then it doesn't matter to me. Nor should it to you.

It's just the Duke who's immortal. I always thought that total immortality for a nation is kinda pointless.

It's just the Duke who's immortal.

And I never said anything in the contrary.

Aah, the great Klonor is coming back... can't wait, it better be good.

It's just the Duke who's immortal. I always thought that total immortality for a nation is kinda pointless.

As is only our Prime "immortal."

It's just the Duke who's immortal.

And I never said anything in the contrary.

I never said you did. I was just stating a fact.

I was impressed with the whole, getting destroyed thing, but doing this so soon afterward seems to make it on the whole, less impressive. I'm a space empire, now I'm not, now I am again.

:shrugs: just my 2 cents

I set the date for nearly three months from now! I started the collapse back in Early April (if not late March).

April (1 month) May (2 months) June (3 months) July (4 months).

When all this ends, I will have had my nation in a collapsed ruin for almost 4 months. Most nations don't live for that long. How is that to fast?

(Sorry if I sound harsh, it's just that I expected much different feedback as a whole and I have really soured on the whole thing)

There's a new threat to Klonor's reformation:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144171&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Oh, I didn't see the "July" part in the thread title. My bad. :oops: :lol:

No problem. I'm glad that's one less person yelling at me :wink: