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I've always wondered what kind of power i am.
Please be serious with the voting, and please comment you votes.

you are NOTHING compared to the older players :o

How about this, you are powerless.

I gotta be something, i've got over 40 000 nukes.

I gotta be something, i've got over 40 000 nukes.

you do not

Yes i do, i'm increasing my arsenal. I'm doubling my original number

I gotta be something, i've got over 40 000 nukes.

Irradiated?

Yes i do, i'm increasing my arsenal. I'm doubling my original number

you are barely old enough to have any WMD at all

huh?

huh?

that is correct

Yes i do, i'm increasing my arsenal. I'm doubling my original number

you are barely old enough to have any WMD at all


You are g**, i'm four months old. When i started, they said that i can build WMDS after 1 month.

Yes i do, i'm increasing my arsenal. I'm doubling my original number

you are barely old enough to have any WMD at all


You are gay, i'm four months old. When i started, they said that i can build WMDS after 1 month.


one more comment like that and you will be reported to the mods

ok, i'll back down.

But my point is, i'm well over the recommended age of havin' a WMD.

ok, i'll back down.

But my point is, i'm well over the recommended age of havin' a WMD.

the point is you may have WMD at 1 month old, but it will be really crappy things like low yield nukes or forms of dirty bombs

are no age requirements for anything, and 587 million people, an all consuming economy and a high rating in defense are enough to claim a lot more than just 40k nukes.

*slaps theatheistsreality and Zvarinograd with laser guided trouts*

However, since there are 1. vastly more powerful nations (Economy, size, military) out there, like, say, from december 2002, with 2.9bn people, aforementioend stats don´t mean much, and since almost everyone has either WMDs or wanky orbital defences (Or both, like I do), nukes only work as deterrence. To be an influential power, you need:

1. allies
2. a significant economy
3. a significant conventional force,

with 1. apparently not existing, 2. being there (but outmatched in comparison to older nations) and 3. probably there, but again outmatched by older nations.]

OOC:
*slaps Der Angst back*

mIRC, not here. Besides, I am openminded enough to realize my mistakes. How dare you.

Nukes are useless in NS anyways, none will R/P them.

Nukes are useless in NS anyways, none will R/P them.

No, but nations will RP that their lands have moved 2000 km to the left of ground zero....

Despite pros and cons,I doubt that he can call himself any kinda power..Oh,and 40k nukes are a pointless outdated muster..

NUKES LOL LOL LOL LOL


My 2.4 billion pop nation has 0 nukes. I dont even consider myself a power

NUKES LOL LOL LOL LOL


My 2.4 billion pop nation has 0 nukes. I dont even consider myself a power

I don't see why not, 2.262 billion is quite a lot (taking that 2002 nations are getting rarer to find).

I'm a 2002 Nation with 2.8billion, I do consider myself a power, though I don't R/P that power much these days.

bump

Heh, you make me look like a power.

I've never considered myself one, but I suppose I could be if I bothered to be so militaristic.

Well a power doesnt have to be militaristic, you could be an economic power

You're a what.

I have good economy, it has been for a long time. And I've got some age.

Now all I need is a crazy dictator to take power and I can begin a campaign for world domination. :twisted:

You're shit on the bottom of my boot :lol:

Frankly, I've never even heard of you...and the fact that you're an 04 nation...makes you pretty much nothing in the big scheme of things...

Have you never heard about me?!?!?!!?!?!

No you've not.

But i'm peaceful.

I think i should begin a quest to global domination.

Have you never heard about me?!?!?!!?!?!

No you've not.

But i'm peaceful.

I think i should begin a quest to global domination.

You'd be crushed fairly easily... there's what, 100,000 odd other nations out there?

I HAVE TEH POWER111!!!!1!1!!!

Have you never heard about me?!?!?!!?!?!

No you've not.

But i'm peaceful.

I think i should begin a quest to global domination.

You'd be crushed fairly easily... there's what, 100,000 odd other nations out there?

So says the World page of NS:

"The world contains 123,080 nations"

Of those, something like 17,000 have posted......so.....

Have you never heard about me?!?!?!!?!?!

No you've not.

But i'm peaceful.

I think i should begin a quest to global domination.

I'll tell my Millitary Minister of your plans, I'm sure he'll have some fun with you.

bump

lol the only power you are is the kind that powers my computer when the hampster running in the wheel dies

Having a 1337 military or MASSIVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION doesn't make you a power. Anybody can (and most people do) claim that. What makes you a power as far as I'm concerned is your influence in the international community. Who do you know, who will stick up for you and who are your enemies? What happens if you decide to move against someone? Do they notice, or do you get ignored like an irritating gnat?

To me, that's what constitutes a Power. Given that I've never heard of you or had reason to interact with you, I'd call you Unranked. After watching you wave 40,000 nukes around, I'd say you're a non-entity.

You're shit on the bottom of my boot :lol:

Frankly, I've never even heard of you...and the fact that you're an 04 nation...makes you pretty much nothing in the big scheme of things...

And you're somehow a better person for this post?

Young Nation =/= less of a person than you.

You've been warned once already this week about your posts. Should you EVER post this kind of crap again, you're nation will be deleted. Consider this your final warning.

It's obvious that you value your "bigger" status over the newer nations, should you desire to keep this 'superiority' it would be VERY wise of you to knock it off.

Conan: The riddle...of steel.

Thulsa Doom: Yes! You know what it is don't you boy. Shall I tell you? It's the least I can do. Steel isn't strong boy, flesh is stronger! Look around you. There, on the rocks; that beautiful girl. Come to me my child... That is strength boy! That is power! What is steel compared to the hand that wields it? Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart, I gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe. Crucify him!

====

OOC: Who says you can't learn stuff from movies? :) 8)

Having a 1337 military...doesn't make you a power. Anybody can (and most people do) claim that. What makes you a power as far as I'm concerned is your influence in the international community.

Hrmm. Well just because anyone can claim that, doesn't mean that anyone can claim it truthfully. I daresay having teh uber military can make you a power, although merely claiming to have one seems to, as well.

The problem with measuring IC power by whether a nation is ignored or not is that ignoring is usually an OOC thing. Based on style, or whether the player gets along with the other, or preferences and taste, etc.

Were my posts to get ignored like gnats (and they tend to), that would not make me less of a power ICly, just makes me pissed off OOCly.

NUKES LOL LOL LOL LOL

My 2.4 billion pop nation has 0 nukes. I dont even consider myself a power

[OOC: I don't worry about where I am in the world and I wouldn't even if I were a superpower.

I'd say Swedish Dominions are a minor power, but they need to keep their internal house in order or that distinction will fall apart before long.]

Having a 1337 military or MASSIVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION doesn't make you a power. Anybody can (and most people do) claim that. What makes you a power as far as I'm concerned is your influence in the international community. Who do you know, who will stick up for you and who are your enemies? What happens if you decide to move against someone? Do they notice, or do you get ignored like an irritating gnat?



Word.

And SD, do you know what one of the things that makes a "super power" or "power" is?

Fear factor.

One classic example of this is Melkor Unchained. While there are nations on NS that could snuff Melkor quickly, over the past years it's been commonplace to say that Melkor is big and scary and hence should be left alone. This is one quality along the lines that Treznor mentioned that I don't think you have---in fact, it's hard to get something like "fear factor", so hard in fact that only a select handful of nations have it.

Mention names like Melkor, Menelmacar, Pantera, Angelus, etc. and people immediatly know what you're talking about.

SD, if you want to be known as a power, you'll have to work long and hard at it. Nobody's saying you'll always be a bottom-feeder, but you have to work hard to earn your stripes.

-Peace-

NUKES LOL LOL LOL LOL


My 2.4 billion pop nation has 0 nukes. I dont even consider myself a power

same here dude, except replace 2.4 with 2.85 ;)

but yeah, if a Swedish Domino is a superpower i dread to think what Audioslavia is :/

and if you thought my country was big, you should see my double post!

You have angered me, Swedish Dominions.

Now you must dance for me.

why?

Hrmm. Well just because anyone can claim that, doesn't mean that anyone can claim it truthfully. I daresay having teh uber military can make you a power, although merely claiming to have one seems to, as well.
Well, the very nature of politics is not what is true, but what you can make people believe. I agree with the notion that "fear factor" (brought up later) as determined by military standing and reputation helps to determine whether or not a nation is a Power, but I balk at using it as the only measure. I'm in the top 1% for military standing (although still a thousand ranks short of Santa Barbara) but nobody knows me as a great military Power.

The problem with measuring IC power by whether a nation is ignored or not is that ignoring is usually an OOC thing. Based on style, or whether the player gets along with the other, or preferences and taste, etc.
I consider Scolopendra a Power (even a Super Power), but no one is particularly afraid of them. They're just very influential. People respect them for who they are, who they know and what they can do. They also happen to be militarily powerful, but not in the same way that you or Melkor are powerful.

Were my posts to get ignored like gnats (and they tend to), that would not make me less of a power ICly, just makes me pissed off OOCly.
Hey, it happens. Nobody gets all of the respect all of the time. If you weren't a Power, I wouldn't have attempted to manipulate you into that conflict. Furthermore, I wouldn't have ducked and kept quiet when it got screwed up.

I tend to think of myself as a major power. Not a super power, but a major one. I'm fairly known in the forums, most older nations recognize me from Operation: Righteous Smackdown.

But you, my young Swedish friend, are unranked.

OOC:

sorry, swedish friend, but I, for one don't consider you a power. To be honest, is the first time I hear about you. So, you get an unranked.
To be considered a major power, you need to have either a strong economy, great allies and recognisement and/or a strong military.
In a world that has thousands of nations, having the population you have is not impressive.
My suggestion for you would be to stick around the forums, participate in RPs and, with time, you'll get a name for yourself.
And remember, there's more to this game than just war. try other type of rps, they will prove themselves funny.

BTW, I don't consider myself a major power, but a sort of "diplomatic power", as I 've managed to gain a handful of allies and getting myself known since I've joined a year ago. Lately I haven't been participating much (have a life, y know?) but I really miss this place, so I'll make a bit of time for it in the future.
Regards to all,

HB

I tend to think of myself as a major power. Not a super power, but a major one. I'm fairly known in the forums, most older nations recognize me from Operation: Righteous Smackdown.

But you, my young Swedish friend, are unranked.
Ah yes Op: RS. Where Melkor and the Trium joined forces.

We should do it again, could rule the world and such.

It hurt very much. My nation is entirely desert as an effect of that little conflict.

Non-Ranked - I've certainly never seen any of your RP's. However this doesn't really mean much. People tend to gravitate into specific circles and RP only with those nations. While occasionally the circles cross and people move through another RP circle you tend to get noticed as a power only within a certain circle.

Just as an example my 'circle' is pretty much those in the Triumvirate of Yut, those who hang out on #nationstates on esper.net, and those who frequent the The Planet Mars regional forums. Three circles if you will, though fortunately those three circles include what seem to be considered the more notable players of NationStates.

BRAWR!!! OMG NOES!!11!! I hav3 t3h p0wah!!11!!shiftone lololololol <smilie spam>

*ahem*

Anyways, that's what saying you have X number of nukes sounds like to most of the people around here. Although it could just be me.....*shrugs*

some of you consider me as a minor power.

I've got Many colonies. So my total pop is over 1 bill.

Oi... having colonies is great pal. But you cannot merge the populations of other countries you control and think that's going to fly with everyone. If I were to merge populations of "the three California's" I'd be well over four billion... people won't let things like that fly.

Now listen here, I have had this nation (California and Alaska) since May 2, 2003... and I only consider California an economic and military power, but that doesn't mean that I am a superpower. I have 2.09 billion people... big whoop, there are some out there that could top me by at least a billion.

One thing you need to learn is make your allies and learn the ropes, get into roleplaying and learn the guidelines...

First rule... when you create your nation don't go claiming an army of several millions and having nuclear weapons out the yin-yang... its annoying.

Second rule... start small and work your way up, Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was your empire.

Third rule... gain some allies, one of these days you're going to need someone to hold your ass up and if you have no one you're going to become someone's landfarm.

Fourth rule... Don't go trashtalking everyone you don't disagree with and don't go declaring war on anyone the first chance you get. DO NOT do something like this: "Nuh-uh! My giant space mirrors deflect your missiles/shells/whatever... and I launch 4,784,612,647,354,234 nuclear weapons at you at the push of a button!" when sh×t don't go your way.

Fifth rule... last but not least wait some time until your nation is in the hundreds of millions or at least well on its way (try 600-750 million population) to a billion before getting really adventurous... and getting involved in real RP's in the likes of war, etc...

Now... did you get all of that?

He does have 601 million people.


One of the main reasons nobody considers you a power is that you don't post in the forums very often. This is the only way to get people to recognize you.

And, of course, pretty much any nation made after the summer doesn't have too much power status around here.

If you have to ask....

This has been an OOC post.

I gotta be something, i've got over 40 000 nukes.

I've got more than that between my toes alone! I'm HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

*resumes lurrkeing*

He does have 601 million people.


One of the main reasons nobody considers you a power is that you don't post in the forums very often. This is the only way to get people to recognize you.

And, of course, pretty much any nation made after the summer doesn't have too much power status around here.

You talking to me... or Swedish here?

bah, he's no power

Nope. Never heard of you til this thread. (And this nation is posting out of semi-retirement for this?)

Hm... Then am I considered a power?

You are at least known, 5CN.

some of you consider me as a minor power.

I've got Many colonies. So my total pop is over 1 bill.

Yes, I thought as much. You don't know me, SD, but be assured I know you...

Just kidding with you

:D

Seriously, I wouldn't get too worried about categories such as power/superpower, they are pretty meaningless after all since there is no overall rules umpire measuring everyone's standing against each other. As such, it really comes down to RP, and a fool with a Dec 2002 nation is still a fool (and could probably be outmanoevered by a skillful politician with a nation half as old)

Personally I wouldn't consider my main nation a power these days, mainly because I spend most of my time RP-ing within certain regions

What the hell are you going to do with forty thousand nuclear warheads? That's enough to destroy your own nation about 8000 times over, you nutbar!

At least that's the opinion from over here in my more or less powerless country.

He does have 601 million people.


One of the main reasons nobody considers you a power is that you don't post in the forums very often. This is the only way to get people to recognize you.

And, of course, pretty much any nation made after the summer doesn't have too much power status around here.

You talking to me... or Swedish here?


both. First is to you, the rest is to Swedish.

It doesn't matter how many nukes you have, someone will always have something to counter them.

Take my example, here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140262)

Hm... Then am I considered a power?

Compared to everyone but me, yes ;)

Hm... Then am I considered a power?

Compared to everyone but me, yes ;)

I'm only 3days younger then you and I have a stronger economy....

Having a 1337 military or MASSIVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION doesn't make you a power. Anybody can (and most people do) claim that. What makes you a power as far as I'm concerned is your influence in the international community. Who do you know, who will stick up for you and who are your enemies? What happens if you decide to move against someone? Do they notice, or do you get ignored like an irritating gnat?



Word.

And SD, do you know what one of the things that makes a "super power" or "power" is?

Fear factor.

One classic example of this is Melkor Unchained. While there are nations on NS that could snuff Melkor quickly, over the past years it's been commonplace to say that Melkor is big and scary and hence should be left alone. This is one quality along the lines that Treznor mentioned that I don't think you have---in fact, it's hard to get something like "fear factor", so hard in fact that only a select handful of nations have it.

Mention names like Melkor, Menelmacar, Pantera, Angelus, etc. and people immediately know what you're talking about.

SD, if you want to be known as a power, you'll have to work long and hard at it. Nobody's saying you'll always be a bottom-feeder, but you have to work hard to earn your stripes.

I was thinking about this thread for some reason and I think Treznor and AMF make some of the best points on here.

I may eventually get to be a power, but for now, I'll revel in my insignificance. :lol:

For ten years just now he was part of my Empire...for now hes a sort of protectorate, four more years.
I dont consider him anything, he surrendered before my forces (About 2,500 men) arrived at his cost :)
(No more gloating...no more gloating)
Anyway, meh, maybe a minor power.

Never heard of ya. Then agian, I hardly know whats going on Earth anymore.....too messy

the point is you may have WMD at 1 month old, but it will be really crappy things like low yield nukes or forms of dirty bombs

That rule is complete and utter nonsense and was devised by older nations for the sole purpose of enabling them to feel more important.

The age or population of a nation has no bearing whatsoever on what weapons it may possess, so long as it has a valid means of acquiring those weapons. Israel is barely 50 years old, has a population of only 6 million, and yet it supposedly has nukes. The UK has had nukes for years, and it is smaller than a 1 month old NS nation.

the point is you may have WMD at 1 month old, but it will be really crappy things like low yield nukes or forms of dirty bombs

That rule is complete and utter nonsense and was devised by older nations for the sole purpose of enabling them to feel more important.

The age or population of a nation has no bearing whatsoever on what weapons it may possess, so long as it has a valid means of acquiring those weapons. Israel is barely 50 years old, has a population of only 6 million, and yet it supposedly has nukes. The UK has had nukes for years, and it is smaller than a 1 month old NS nation.
Yes, but the UK has been around for some hundred years :)

Yes, but the UK has been around for some hundred years :)

What's that supposed to mean? Did the British begin their nuclear program in 1750 or something? :P

I don't think that nations just sprout up out of the sea, whereupon the population of 5 million yokels immediately appear out of thin air, and begin kicking their heels and wonder about inventing the wheel and discovering fire... A lot of people RP their nation's history going back hundreds of years, but none of them were here before 2002.

the point is you may have WMD at 1 month old, but it will be really crappy things like low yield nukes or forms of dirty bombs

That rule is complete and utter nonsense and was devised by older nations for the sole purpose of enabling them to feel more important.

I'd consider the rule to be no more than a basic guideline. It's designed to keep n00bs from being able to claim they have OMG!iNOOKUUUUUUSSSWITH!00BILLIONNOOKULRBOMBS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: and get away with it.

You can develop a nuclear program if you have just under 100 million if you RP it properly (Praetonia did so when it had 97 million population). Remember there's a HUGE difference between n00bs and newbs.

I'd consider the rule to be no more than a basic guideline. It's designed to keep n00bs from being able to claim they have OMG!iNOOKUUUUUUSSSWITH!00BILLIONNOOKULRBOMBS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: and get away with it.

There's no point setting an age limit for that kind of player, because they will always be a n00k-hurling idiot, regardless of how long they've been around for.

And you'll undoubtedly be I.G.N.O.R.E.D.

I'm a power now, i have reached the 1 billion barrier :twisted: (excuse the n00by emoticon.)

It's a testament of the NS population growth that you need 1 billion people to consider yourself as a power. :shock:

Me, I can't get my people to stop breeding... I discourage sex, I even incouraged gay marriage (you'd think that would slow down the birth rate a little, but no...)

I agree the "1 month nuke rule" is pointless. Think about it. Logically, a group of 3 men, 3 men, could obtain a dirty bomb and set it off sucessfully. Now think what a 5 million pop nation could do, with all the benefits of government backing, etc. It's feasible to create nukes almost right away (maybe a bit of time for development and so on). The big barrier is the nation's stupidity. If they do get through border security (not likely) and set off the bomb, they have signed their death certificate.

*sigh* remember when being a billion pop nation was a really big thing?

I've arbitrarily capped my population at 1.5 million for RP purposes... but nobody's taking away my nukes!

Then again, nukes are less of a big thing with future tech nations.

I believe the guidelines were the nation had to wait until they were 100 million and then undergo a 30 year R&D program to have the most basic nuclear weapons. After that, they had to develop the means to deploy them.

As a nation I ignored the NUKE BOMBS that other nations were so quick to build and hoard. I decided the future was in space, bit threatening to push a red button marked "NUKE EM". I put the resources of the nation to getting into orbit.

Don't take me wrong, I developed nuclear reactors and then fusion reactors but steered clear of the trap of the nuclear arms race.

The question of being a power nation is really moot. You are only as powerful as you make yourself out to be. It's all in the ROLE PLAYING, not the POSTURING.

I'm a power nowNo, you're not.
excuse the n00by emoticon.It's not n00by! :o
That rule [...] was devised by older nations for the sole purpose of enabling them to feel more important.No, it wasn't. :?

It's a testament of the NS population growth that you need 1 billion people to consider yourself as a power. :shock:

Me, I can't get my people to stop breeding... I discourage sex, I even incouraged gay marriage (you'd think that would slow down the birth rate a little, but no...)

[OOC: Either that or you need to sell someone else a bill of goods that your country or the country you don't want them messing with has 1 billion + population.

I heard that someone told Cam III I had a billion-plus population and I just cleared 500 million a few days ago...]

That rule [...] was devised by older nations for the sole purpose of enabling them to feel more important.No, it wasn't. :?

I've yet to see a credible alternative reason for such a rule, since it doesn't promote realism an any way.

I've yet to see a credible alternative reason for such a rule, since it doesn't promote realism an any way.How about the people who originally agreed upon it were willing to sacrifice some realism in an effort to inject more sanity into NS, or they weren't aware of its shortcomings?

I've yet to see a credible alternative reason for such a rule, since it doesn't promote realism an any way.How about the people who originally agreed upon it were willing to sacrifice some realism in an effort to inject more sanity into NS, or they weren't aware of its shortcomings?

Alright then, I'll admit that sounds more likely.