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Bit new to this...but how can you govern an entity state that has 100 % income tax?? :shock: - what residual earnings does an inhabitant live on for god's sake?

Bit new to this...but how can you govern an entity state that has 100 % income tax?? :shock: - what residual earnings does an inhabitant live on for god's sake?None. Zip. Zero. Nada. It's the 'Nanny State' taken to the extreme. COMPLETE dependance on government, as you have no other way to support yourself.

Mhm, generally communistic and fine, so long as you intended it. I just spent weeks getting income tax down to seventy-odd percent only for it to leap back up to 100% over night. Gah! How the economy is supposed to cope with a change like that over night, completely obliterating a pre-existing consumer base I don't know. As if the Al Khali government can be bothered to make sure that seven hundred million people get fed!

Well considering that they didn't have that much to spend after a seventy percent tax rated I'd say that most of your ecconomy was government based anyway.

Can't see any incentives with that policy...Might as well gather roots in the forest, grow your own food and become a government of...err...one?

Would you earn $/£ 260 for a 40hr week for it to be taken away in its entirety? :(

Are all jobs equal? does the division of wealth encourage any personal progression -?

No! Can't see that working at all!

Well if you raised your populance right you could get them to accept it.

The wealth doesn't need to be distributed evenly just because it is collectivised. There's organisation involved in a national economy... people don't just walk in off a communist street and say, "hey, I live in your country and I'd like my fifty quid back."

(Oh do you now? Well lets see your work papers and maybe we can get you that blender you wanted..oh, movie star? Sorry, no, have a spoon or contribute something important.)

Well if you raised your populance right you could get them to accept it.

One would have to have a totally isolationist state...what about media beamed in from other states/continents that could destabilise your population knowing there are others with a better standard of living?

Can't see any incentives with that policy...Might as well gather roots in the forest, grow your own food and become a government of...err...one?

Would you earn $/£ 260 for a 40hr week for it to be taken away in its entirety? :(

Are all jobs equal? does the division of wealth encourage any personal progression -?

No! Can't see that working at all!

Ah you sound like a free trader. The reality of the situation would be 'work or don't eat...' which would work quite effectively. Work and the government will take care of you...

If you don't meet your perfomace standards, well...pain can and will be administered....

Don't work at all, and we will seperate your sex organs from your body and use it as dog food. Second offence we will seperate your head from your body.

Well if you raised your populance right you could get them to accept it.

One would have to have a totally isolationist state...what about media beamed in from other states/continents that could destabilise your population knowing there are others with a better standard of living?

Works well for North Korea doesn't it? They have a million people who want to march across the sea and burn down the white house. Hell they even blame their power outages on the Americans...

Looking at the U.K. WE had it to good for too long, along with the Spanish and the Portuguese...We explored the World- raped much of the raw materials, 'colonised' and forced our religions upon those we gave beads and guns in exchange for gold..when even at home we were adopting one Christian religion..i.e. Protestantism as opposed to Catholicism and burning the 'heretics' at the stake!

What we reap we sow! - When we shat on Ireland in the 19th C and before that Scots in the clearances apres the uprising they all pissed off too America/Canada....The opportunity was there...Only rotten potatoes in Ireland and the banning of plaid in Scotland meant the emergence of the US of A as a major power... :wink:

Bit new to this...but how can you govern an entity state that has 100 % income tax?? :shock: - what residual earnings does an inhabitant live on for god's sake?You think that's bad, I have a 100% income tax and "much higher for the wealthy". I mean, what are some of my citizens paying 120% income tax? Let's also go on to the fact "guns are outlawed" and "all guns must be registered" Or the fact I have the largest gambling sector in my region, even though gambling is illegal and I have no crime.

Simple you have seized all private property...
And they are not gambling for money...they are gambling for sex, drugs, food, toilet paper...etc.

Xanthalian government doesn't give initial paychecks. All money circulates within the government and is closely tracked to make sure no one takes it for themselves (a class two offence in Xanthal, equivalent to manslaughter). The government pays for everything the people need, like food, water, a condo (houses would be inefficient, but the condos are nice), utilities, transportation, basic appliances, etc. Then it pays for itself. Then it takes 20% of what's left over and puts it in a "rainy day" account so when there're downturns in the economy they don't need to slash funding. What's left (about $2.4 trillion last year, 4.8% of the nation's GDP) gets devided among the population based on what they do and how well they do it monthly (between $40 and $200 a month per working/legally retired citizen). That "paycheck" is the citizen's to spend on whatever nonessential stuff they want; be it junk food, a new T.V., a poster of the latest supermodel, or whatever. Most of that stuff is sold by the government through retail outlets, most of the rest is circulated between citizens. About 0.2-1% of the nation's GDP leaves the country every year when citizen's make purchases from foreign visitors or companies, but Xanthal has a favorable balance of trade, so that loss is usually more than regained.

Not to be too pick but how do you distribute food Xanthal?

I can't really answer for Xanthal, but I would think it would be rations. You use food quotas, give citizens little tickets for x-amount of food, then have people distribute food in exchange for the ticket at various depots placed where a supermarket would exist in a capitalist country.

Not at all, AaH. I like answering questions. Proves that I know what I'm talking about. We don't distribute food in the normal sense of the word. Every residence has a replicator. Food and drink comes from that. There are supermarkets for those that prefer naturally-grown/raised food, but consumables bought at such markets must be purchased with money from the citizen's aforementioned paycheck. In case you hadn't guessed by now, we're a future nation.

Not at all, AaH. I like answering questions. Proves that I know what I'm talking about. We don't distribute food in the normal sense of the word. Every residence has a replicator. Food and drink comes from that. There are supermarkets for those that prefer naturally-grown/raised food, but consumables bought at such markets must be purchased with money from the citizen's aforementioned paycheck. In case you hadn't guessed by now, we're a future nation.

I know you are a future nation, remember who own all your old Earth property? That explains what those things were...

I didn't realize you had replicator technology...

Not only do I have it, my entire economic system is based on it. If something were to happen to the nation's replicators there would be an instant national crisis. There's just not enough traditional production facilities around anymore to support more than one or two percent of our population. Almost all of our production is done by replicator and simply assembled by hand/machine. Xanthal would have to call in every favor it ever had owed to it and go into heinous debt to even keep half its people alive.

THS is happy to have a 100% tax rate.... seeing as that provides a lot o money to the government to provide necesarry services... tho we focus on defense.... a lot....

So a bad case of hacking, or perhaps a corrosive chemical in the matter source and your population is staving in droves....Hmm...

Soleqalia is working toward for low taxes...I was down to 3% at one point, but rose to 25% because space is cool and education is fun. It's on its way back down, though. 17% or so, currently.

Bit new to this...but how can you govern an entity state that has 100 % income tax?? :shock: - what residual earnings does an inhabitant live on for god's sake?You think that's bad, I have a 100% income tax and "much higher for the wealthy". I mean, what are some of my citizens paying 120% income tax? Let's also go on to the fact "guns are outlawed" and "all guns must be registered" Or the fact I have the largest gambling sector in my region, even though gambling is illegal and I have no crime. :shock: You have a seriously messed up nation man...

So a bad case of hacking, or perhaps a corrosive chemical in the matter source and your population is staving in droves....Hmm...Theoretically. There are so many redundancies though that you'd have to essentially conquer the nation to ruin the system anyway. And if you get that far, why bother wrecking it?

I had gave my people 4 tax cuts to get itfrom 100 to 66 and then introducing a new language and building dams put it back up to 100%. -_- Ns is crewl.

Mhm, generally communistic and fine, so long as you intended it. I just spent weeks getting income tax down to seventy-odd percent only for it to leap back up to 100% over night. Gah! How the economy is supposed to cope with a change like that over night, completely obliterating a pre-existing consumer base I don't know. As if the Al Khali government can be bothered to make sure that seven hundred million people get fed!You think that's something? I used to have no income tax until the new issues were introduced. In the span of a week, the income tax jumped to 100%. 0 to 100 in seven days. :P

So a bad case of hacking, or perhaps a corrosive chemical in the matter source and your population is staving in droves....Hmm...

HEY! dont give anyone ideas! :wink:

Can't see any incentives with that policy...Might as well gather roots in the forest, grow your own food and become a government of...err...one?

Would you earn $/£ 260 for a 40hr week for it to be taken away in its entirety? :(

Are all jobs equal? does the division of wealth encourage any personal progression -?

No! Can't see that working at all!

Think of it like this: There's no rich-poor economical family gap lol! :twisted: