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This all started out as a post in a thread by Crimmond in Forum 7, but I decided to elaborate on the content of the post and turn it into a thread all of its own. This is the result.

And if you have no clue what the GDODAD is, bugger off. This is not for new nations in the first place.

GDODAD, as it was originally, can no longer work because when it was made it included nations of the billion or near-billion set. This was back in the day when NS classified a billion as "1000 million", before a mod (or modling) fixed that error. Anyway, my nation was in the 100 million bracket when I really feared GDODAD, and that's because it was made up of multiple nations that were ten times as big as I was. Now, with so many billion population nations and even some two billioners (I'll be one in a few days) running around, if GDODAD were to come up again they'd be stamped flat by several alliances of nations 3/4 of their size, just because there's simply so much power in the hands of so many. I remember back in the day when GDODAD invaded me, I was quaking. TST had his armada assembled over my capital, Melkor had three fleets of Sky Furnaces convirging on my nation, and a bunch of upstarts were picking away at the opposite shore from the one that Melkor was approaching. I was literally being attacked from all directions, and no one could or would help me. Eventually I had to treat with Melkor, which is the only thing that saved me from total annihilation. But now? I would just send wave after wave of Ravens until Melkor's invading armies were totally decimated. But holding my own isn't the clencher, it's the fact that people would actually JOIN ME now to beat him back to his homeland, and then seige Arda. Granted it'd be a huge-ass war, but it'd still be very likely if Melkor invaded. It's because so many people have so much power that no one can be imperalistic and get away with it anymore.

However, if one wanted to bring about the rise of a second GDODAD that won't fail like the Dominion did, then they need to bring together a large confederation of 2 billion+ and maybe some billion+ nations that can be actually managed by a single nation. There can be no differences of opinion, no dissention among the ranks, everything must be pulled off perfectly. They must have a sound military mind as their leader, someone along the lines of Melkor, Steel Butterfly, or AMF. Possibly NOD, but I haven't seen too much of him. In any case, everyone must follow this leader without question, and march on whomever he tells them to whenever he tells them to. Now, this is admittedly severely unrealistic, so I will offer an alternative: decentralization. Nations will be given ranks in a heirarchy of nations in this organization, a heirarchy that will be enforced strictly. The more charasmatic and largest nations will be at the top of this structure, followed by the less charasmatic, and then those who are less charasmatic than them, and so on and so on. The leader should have five underling nations, which will each have their own five underling nations, which will have five underlings each and so on and so forth. The number five is chosen because it's large enough to craft an efficent fighting force, and yet it's small enough to control easily. Every nation should see that its underling nations do exactly what it tells them to, and so forth down the line.

Obviously, this will require a massive ammount of nations, some of them new enough not to remember the original GDODAD, so this structure will have to appeal to them somehow. The offer of fighting alongside the greatest nations in NS history may account for something, but these nations may need a sizable ammount of money or technology as another incentive. Once the nations join, they should have it made known to them that life without this new GDODAD will be suffering incarnate for them, because not only will nations attack them for being ex-GDODAD, but GDODAD will attack them for betrayal. Have this betrayal clause in the contract they sign to get in, but have it in the ultra-fine print.

Promotions should also be promised, but given only seldom enough to keep the nations trying to please whoever is on top.

If you have anything at all to add, please do. I'd like to know if I'm wrong, right, or if you have something to say about such a structure.

OOC: Just a quick question...didn't you have several allies against the invasion of Melkor? Or perhaps I should say Eris has several allies agaisnt the invasion of Melkor...or am I thinking of a diffrent invasion?

OOC: Just a quick question...didn't you have several allies against the invasion of Melkor? Or perhaps I should say Eris has several allies agaisnt the invasion of Melkor...or am I thinking of a diffrent invasion?You don't have to post the word "OOC" here, this entire thread is OOC.

And yes, I did have allies. Allies who did nothing.

Ah, yes...well habits die hard sometimes don't they.

I do agree with most of what you are saying about GODADD and fear. But then I think it may also be a slight case of tunnel vision. It might be problematic for GODAD to attack you but what about say...Brazilliaco or Kravoli. Of course they are 'new' nations, without a rep that would gain them allies, but to them GODADD is still a serious threat.

Now I didn't come to your rescue, however I stayed in Eris Kristalli after everyone else bailed. And half of your problem was defending her rather than yourself. Didn't Siri intervene diplomatically on your/Eris behalf?

Ah, yes...well habits die hard sometimes don't they.

I do agree with most of what you are saying about GODAD and fear. But then I think it may also be a slight group of tunnel vision. It might be problematic for GODAD to attack you but what about say...Brazilliaco or Kravoli. Of course they are 'new' nations, without a rep that would gain them allies.I have a rep that gains me allies? Sweet.

But seriously now, there are a million powerful anti-imperialists these days that would rush to anyone's aid, not just my own. As far as I can see, this isn't tunnel vision. :wink:
Now I didn't come to your rescue, however I said in Eris Kristalli after everyone else bailed. Since half of your problem was defending her rather than yourself.Not really, I defended her quite nicely. So nicely, in fact, that Melkor turned around to attack me. That's where the trouble really started.
And didn't Siri intervene diplomatically on your/Eris behalf?Oh, no. Oh GOD no. You see, I was in the height of my nation-selling carear then. In fact, I even offered to buy off Melkor's attack with nation sale money. If there's one thing that Siri hates more than Melkor, it's nation sales. She wouldn't help me then even if Arda froze over.

*Thinks about things*

Actually, I think you have Siri for Melkor turning and attacking you. She always said Eris 'owed' her for saving her tail from Melkor...

IC: A woman in white and driving her 1932 Duesenburg convertable mumbles..."Little self-declared goddess elf bi** her day is comming..."

*Thinks about things*

Actually, I think you have Siri for Melkor turning and attacking you. She always said Eris 'owed' her for saving her tail from Melkor...Oh, she helped Eris if that's what you mean, but she had nothing to do with helping me. She only helped Eris because an elf was at stake.

Hey... your allies did lots of things.

Why, I myself led an attack... sure, it was against you. Both times. Um... err... nice post. Anyway, a link to that Unicon thingy?

You have a point, but I think not too many nations would voluntarily submit to such a hierarchical system. Getting everyone in GDODAD, Arda, the now kicked-out Reich and recently Greater Prussia to join Metus with Melkor as supreme commander was pretty hard already. It may be possible to force conquered nations into Metus with a pull-out-is-betrayal clause, but they should at least be into Metus voluntarily OOC.

I certainly agree on you about the size of nations. In the early days of NS, someone was considered large and all at 100 million, as you said. Since nations grow linear, independent of size (a 2.75 billion nations should grow faster in absolute numbers than a 50 million one), and since armies larger than, say, 500.000 are nearly impossible to manage logistically, invading a 100-million nation with a 2,5 or so billion nation is difficult because a 100-million nation could fend off 500.000 enemies itself, and sending more at one time is unrealistic.

Let's see here.

When I first came to NS, GDODAD was THE organization on the boards. What they said was law, and there were no two ways about it. If GDODAD told you to shut up, you did it or else. I remember when their roster had several hundred nations, BUT 8/10 of them were inactive.

Then one day something happened.

The WMNK was formed, and thus began one of the most bitter feuds in 2003. Steel Butterfly was a prominent GDODAD member, and he decided to join the WMNK (he was actually one of the first dozen or so). Through my infiltration of the GDODAD forums, I discovered SB's real plan: to use WMNK to the GDODAD's benefit. This started THE biggest OOC feud EVER in NS. For months me and SB flamed it out, ready to kill eachother if we ever met in RL. But then one day we got sick of fighting and we made up. Now we're great friends, and I'd go to bat for him both ICly and OOCly. If I ever made a mistake on NS, I can confortably say that I was wrong about Steel.

But getting back on topic....

Yes, the GDODAD was very big and nasty, and it tok 2 World Wars and the dissolving of the WMNK Coalition to kill it. I myself spearheaded many of the major operations into GDODAD and GDODAD friendly nations, and I was known as a major anti-GDODAD nation. But since then NS has changed abit. There are so many powerful factions/nations around now that the GDODAD may in fact be lost in time forever. I don't think we'll ever have a singular dominant organization ever again.

I agree, nations are just too big now to go through with this sort of alliance, i remember the first days of my tenure here, when steel butterfly and drum gods and others like them ruled the boards with an iron fist, but now? please, there is no one nations or alliance of nations that i fear, not melkor or menelmacar or really anybody, when you get to be 2 billion( :) ) things stop making you jumpy, and you start making things jumpy, hm, thi entire topic is really depressing me

Damn I miss those days.

This all started out as a post in a thread by Crimmond in Forum 7 That would be Nostalgia is a Bitch (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140287), for those interested.

Anyway... being among the highest ranked GDODAD members back in the 1000 million days, almost holding a COMA position.... Come to think of it... COMA is why I left. Steel, Nod and TST blocked my admitance repeatedly, whether they saw they were or not. After a month of waiting, I finally said 'let me in the COMA, or I'm gone.' By this time, the WMNK was breaking up, the Underwater Bubble fiasco was in full swing and every anti-GDODAD nation came out ion force, drawing us into war after war with threats, goading and pre-emptive strikes, then shouting that we started it. I must have recieved 30 TGs flaming me. All IC flames, so I couldn't do sh*t about it though. I think my leaving the GDODAD and making it VERY clear to the anti-GDODAD nations that THEY were the reason I left the alliance and almost NS altogether, that made the main ones see that this had escalated WAY beyond IC and toned it down a lot.

Wow... I didn't realise how long that was. But if I take any out it doesn't make sense. Oh well. Anyway... where was I? Oh, my perspective on the GDODAD is probably one not told a lot. I've seen the GDODAD from both sides. I was the fastest growing member(thanks to the pop bug from hell: six to eight issues a day), saw power shifts that I didn't even see, but now it's obvious as Nod grew more reserved, TST after him, leaving Steel in charge. That's what killed the GDODAD. Too much power with one nation. When Steel left the Dominion, he was the power behind the scenes. It left a gap the otehrs could not fill. The whole thing collapsed.

Then I saw it from the outside, as SAVIOUR and now as teh new GDODAD. The 'George Bush' GDODAD. Kinder, gentler, not on global rampages GDODAD. You guys all know why.

The world isn't as lopsided as it was six or eight months ago. One on one, I could take on any GDODAD nation. the APTO could take on all the GDODAD and still survive. Once you reach a billion, you're damn near impossible to crush. Two billion and you're invincible. Three or four? Hell, you could have your own planet! The age of military alliances for the purpose of active conquest of the planet is dead. It died with the Dominion. Hell, it died with the WMNK. We have entered the age of peace when it comes to alliances.

And the odd thing is, if two alliances go at it nowadays, only those alliances take part. I really think that there will never be another World War. Because when you have nations over a billion going at it with each other on a grand scale, it only takes two pages to utterly devastate a nation's military. Four to begin an invasion of their nation. Eight to seize the capital. In fifteen pages, you could lose your nation that you spent almost a year working on. Who in the hell is going to risk that if they don't have to?

I am a new nation that lies within the NP and I have heard of the rumors of the GDODAD and I also would liek to know if it ever rose again then would we have but to fight them out? I'm sure the North Pacific Army and the new NP delegate Blackshear will help if asked. But as far as the hierarchy of things goes it would be totally impossible to accomplish such a feat. With so many nations in the billions+ category adn so many still in the millions category then it would be hard to classify them all and declare a full leader of the entire hierarchy itself. It would take too long to organize being going through the chain of command would take absolutely too long because of the non-guarantee that the actual billion+ leaders will be on all at the same time and willing to support the cause that the hierarchy would support. I'm sorry, I may be new at this but one thing remains certain: All nations will have different views on different matters.

The hierarchy would thus fail due to the conflicting views on the matters themselves. At this point in time myself and 2 others are at war with another nation. I am a foreign nation in another's war. I was asked to help and responded with my armada and army all at once. If other nations at the time of the arrival of the second GDODAD were busy in other foreign affairs then it would take too long for them to fully un-RP themselves from one place and redivert their atention on another mroe pressing matter such as the one being developed. It would bee too hard to make such a powerful alliance, or hierarchy as it's called, to fight such a beast of a war machine. Not to mention it would be totally against all of the personal views of the seperate nations themselves and would take days maybe even weeks to organize such a massive project. It would call for national, delegate and even UN approval and would take too long to even get the approval from all of the UN delegates and also the UN itself. Being that there are too many nations now in NS it woudl take over 1,000 of them actually joining together to make this happen being there are over 700,000 nations total served in NS altogether. It is a good thought though but the one thing remains certain:

The Hierarchy would fail.

I am a new nation that lies within the NP and I have heard of the rumors of the GDODAD and I also would liek to know if it ever rose again then would we have but to fight them out? I'm sure the North Pacific Army and the new NP delegate Blackshear will help if asked. But as far as the hierarchy of things goes it would be totally impossible to accomplish such a feat. With so many nations in the billions+ category adn so many still in the millions category then it would be hard to classify them all and declare a full leader of the entire hierarchy itself. It would take too long to organize being going through the chain of command would take absolutely too long because of the non-guarantee that the actual billion+ leaders will be on all at the same time and willing to support the cause that the hierarchy would support. I'm sorry, I may be new at this but one thing remains certain: All nations will have different views on different matters.

The hierarchy would thus fail due to the conflicting views on the matters themselves. At this point in time myself and 2 others are at war with another nation. I am a foreign nation in another's war. I was asked to help and responded with my armada and army all at once. If other nations at the time of the arrival of the second GDODAD were busy in other foreign affairs then it would take too long for them to fully un-RP themselves from one place and redivert their atention on another mroe pressing matter such as the one being developed. It would bee too hard to make such a powerful alliance, or hierarchy as it's called, to fight such a beast of a war machine. Not to mention it would be totally against all of the personal views of the seperate nations themselves and would take days maybe even weeks to organize such a massive project. It would call for national, delegate and even UN approval and would take too long to even get the approval from all of the UN delegates and also the UN itself. Being that there are too many nations now in NS it woudl take over 1,000 of them actually joining together to make this happen being there are over 700,000 nations total served in NS altogether. It is a good thought though but the one thing remains certain:

The Hierarchy would fail.

First off: UN = useless

Secondly, I'm not sure if you're fully understanding what went on seeing as you are new here. Things were alot different back then, and back then GDODAD was the end-all-be-all of alliances.

NS nowadays is almost pointless to play due to the sheer size of some of these nations. Josifovich (sp?) for example is going on 4 billion.

Ah, 'twas fun in the good old days when my word was law...
However, an organistion as large an unwieldy as ours was bound to fall apart, and fall apart it did. What is it in, it's third, fourth incarnation now?
Our goal was possibly achievable near the beginning of NS, when no-one was over 500 million, but as has been said, now that there are hundreds (I think) of 2 billion+ nations, and others hitting their 3 billionth mark, it'll be impossible to do it.
Metus (and the current GDODAD) have a hierarchy of sorts similar to the one you described Resi. The problem with controlling an alliuance of dictators and the like, is that dictators don't like being told what to do.
The GDODAD fell apart for many reasons. One of them was the UWB incident, which resulted in us (GDODAD members) being called godmodders etc. When Steel left, most of the other major members drifted away soon after, leaving basically Nod, myself, LCS, Whispering Voices and a few others. We tried to reorganise, but it failed. Partly because Steel had sabotaged the forums. SAVIOUR never really got off the ground. AMF revived it eventually, and then left. And here we are; possibly more powerful than we ever were, due to the size of the members, and yet less feared, and overall less powerful, due to the equal invincibility of our main enemies, and our consequently fairly low publicity.
Now entering a phase of the post which is partly relevant to Crimmonds other thread, and partly a bit of bragging
I'm pleased people see the time when the GDODAD was at its height of its power as a golden age of NS, because as one of the founders (and inventor of the not-very-good-I-admit-but-still-now-(in)famous name) I feel I've made a mark on NS history.
(For the record: Resi, I'm sorry but I don't recall having fleets hovering over you... And Crimmond, the length of time it took for you to reach the COMA wasn't deliberate, or if it was again, I don't remember.)

TST, you don't? Maybe that was Nod. All I know is someone was ready to give us an assful of laser.

Did I? It might have been me but I don't really remember...not that that means I didn't; my memory is pretty bad :P

I should note to AMF that GDODAD was never "the" organization on the boards, and it never "ruled" NS. Even back to December 2002, everyone I ever RPed with pretty much considered them a joke.

~Siri

I should note to AMF that GDODAD was never "the" organization on the boards, and it never "ruled" NS. Even back to December 2002, everyone I ever RPed with pretty much considered them a joke.

~Siri
(how could it be considered a joke in Dec '02??? It didn't exist until Feb '03!!!)

Ah, Crimmond. I saw GDODAD from both sides, too. My first actions roleplaying on these forums were my little upstart nation declaring that GDODAD must be destroyed. It was a lot to risk for a new nation, going up against potentially hundreds.

And then later, joining GDODAD and the ranks of COMA.

(I think I'm the invisible former GDODAD nation. I never did much with GDODAD... cept for passing a UN resolution designed to perpetuate Evil. But the GDODAD never got me into any wars. :( The one or two chances of it, the war would end before my forces arrived.)

I disagree about the original point about GDODAD, or something like it, not really being possible anymore. First, there's Metus. But then, when you think about it, an alliance comprised of 1 billion-ish nations terrifies 100 million pop nations, sure... the numbers have just gone up, is all. An alliance of 2.5 billion nations could terrify 250 million pop nations. Or any single nation.

The thing is, NS is much more refined now. GDODAD was a sort of raw, primal sort of RPing that was intense, colorful, and, well, not usually very well written. Now it's all much more subtle. The politics are subtle. There's a balance of power.

But imperialism can always continue.

In fact, that's something I should get around to... now that I think about it. 8)

Wasn’t GDODAD destroyed when it’s members nations were nuked, and subsequently drowned inside their underwater dome?

Sorry if I seem out of the loop, I haven’t really been actively RPing for a while.

Hmm, nostalgia... quite tasty...

I would love, absolutely love to see the old GDODAD come back.

No, not because they were invincible (they were driven back from Arani and other places).

No, not because they didn't godmod (they did, but at least in those days godmoding had its own informal rules and usually came from misunderstandings, not as a tactic).

No, not even because they gave some sense of a plot to NS (although they did do this, there were also a number of other powerful undercurrents that made things fun).

And No, not even because they 'controlled' the forums (they simply didn't, although they were clearly a force to be watched if you were a small nation).

But rather because GDODAD made NS fun. Where else could you have 5 million troops thrown haphazardly to battle for some blackened, nuclear wasteland in a desperate battle to gain control of the generally worthless piece of rock (like Iwo Jima, aside from the tactical uses of that island)? Where else could a faulty diplomatic address lead to seven nations assaulting the homeland of the erring for the insult? When else could you really feel like there was a sense of good and evil on NS, when you could choose to take part on either side and we all knew that, OOCly, we were all just having fun?

GDODAD was good to have because it stirred the pot; it formulated devious massive schemes that it was always something of a treat to uncover. It was interesting to work among its enemies, sometimes taking parts of their forces head-on and othertimes negotiating to sneak up on them like assassins. It was a time when RPing wars was done not only for interest but to make the progress of Nationstates ICly more interesting...to create the atmosphere that generated a handful of world wars and battles that were realistically almost pointless.

Thanks to TST, NOD, SB, Crimmond and all of those old GDODADers for making NS fun to be a part of...when those 100,000 nations listed were 25% UN multis and 10% inactive.

The truth is that the technology that was once only available to a few is now copyable by the many (many of whom are still worthy of the title n00b, IMHO) and that certain technologies that were once the trademark of some group or nation are now spread by newbs that were never around when that identifying connection was made. In this environment, it is very difficult to support massive invasions and to use the superior technology to overcome lower-tech enabled opponents.

Resi, the theory is interesting, but there are several problems with the idea of such an organization.

As you mentioned, there would need to be very strict and immediate compliance with orders and the chain of command would need to be clear. Too many nations leave NS or die from inactivity to make that solid of a heirarchy possible. Even a camping trip or something during which someone was unable to post or log in would pose some serious problems if that person or their underlings were crucial to a time-sensitive operation of some kind.

All in all, I think that most standing military organizations are no longer as powerful as they once were, and aren't much of a force in NS anymore, partially due to fragmentation and partially because of (as you said) the sheer number of 1 billion + nations. Hell, I passed 2 billion a while back and it would not be hard for someone to muster together 8 to 10 400-500 mil nations and take me down. (I'd like to think that there are a few people that would lend me a hand, though :lol: )

I should note to AMF that GDODAD was never "the" organization on the boards, and it never "ruled" NS. Even back to December 2002, everyone I ever RPed with pretty much considered them a joke.

~Siri

But you and your RP circle do not represent the whole of NS, do they? It's wrong to say that because you and your RP buddies thought that they were nothing that they were indeed nothing. I'm willing to bet that you and your RP circle did not even account for 1% of the NS community, so therefore that statement is moot.

Face it, with a few exceptions most people feared or hated GDODAD at some level. It took months before nations actually mustered up the strength to fight them, and it took a gutsy few to motivate them.

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Wasn’t GDODAD destroyed when it’s members nations were nuked, and subsequently drowned inside their underwater dome?

Sorry if I seem out of the loop, I haven’t really been actively RPing for a while.

No. That was the most godmoddish post ever to grace GDODAD's history. Some nation said they nuked the edge of the dome from inside, though that was impossible. It was obviously BS, but some of the anti-GDODAD fanatics blew it up and spread the lie. The nation who did that was ignored by the whole of GDODAD, though we did tone down the bubble idea and eventually turned it to an island to stop the bickering from the anti-GDODAD flamers.
-Memories from an ex-GDODAD

I was a really small part of the GDODAD back in it's day. Even though I became an anti-GDODAD nations when I left, I have to admit it was the best time I had in NationStates. The best wars were in the day of the GDODAD.

If this idea comes together, with it's rickety structure system, I'd be willing to join up. I'm 2 bill plus now.

With a little (A whole hell of a lot) of work, we could restore this monster to it's full power.

OOC: Just a quick question...didn't you have several allies against the invasion of Melkor? Or perhaps I should say Eris has several allies agaisnt the invasion of Melkor...or am I thinking of a diffrent invasion?You don't have to post the word "OOC" here, this entire thread is OOC.

And yes, I did have allies. Allies who did nothing.

*Ahems* Granted I was a little inactive, but I jumped to both your and Eris' support. Me meaning my evil alter ego...CoVar.

With a little (A whole hell of a lot) of work, we could restore this monster to it's full power.Then why don't we? We have a lot of nations with a lot of clout for restarting a modernized GDODAD, and only one (Siri) against it. I'll lend my support, but as you all know I only have clout in certain circles of NS.

This is what I mean, there are so many nations with so much power campaigning for the restructuring of GDODAD, but they all have their own ideas of what to do. We should have a conferance, and if we want to build a new GDODAD we should decide what exactly it should be.

Let's be frank here: NS is going down the tubes, and ironic as it may sound, another GDODAD may just save it. The fate of NationStates is in our hands.

*Ahems* Granted I was a little inactive, but I jumped to both your and Eris' support. Me meaning my evil alter ego...CoVar.Oh yeah, forgot about that. Sorry.

But you have to admit, your help in the face of Melkor wasn't exactly the greatest comfort in the world. Granted it did take a lot of hutzvah, but it didn't exactly turn the tide. :wink:

Well, Resi... wish I could lend support, but... you know how it is. Besides, I'm paralysed from activity through fear of painful consequences for some crime I don't even know I committed.

*looks around for Siri*

Helping you is one of the worst ideas I've heard. However... find some way on MSN. I have a proposition for you, and it's not even a hostile one.

Well, Resi... wish I could lend support, but... you know how it is. Besides, I'm paralysed from activity through fear of painful consequences for some crime I don't even know I committed.

*looks around for Siri*I told you the elves hold grudges. : PHelping you is one of the worst ideas I've heard. However... find some way on MSN. I have a proposition for you, and it's not even a hostile one.Then don't think of it as helping me, think of it as helping NationStates. I would, at most, be somewhere in the middle management of all this. I don't want power, I want NationStates to be alive again.

But you have to admit, your help in the face of Melkor wasn't exactly the greatest comfort in the world. Granted it did take a lot of hutzvah, but it didn't exactly turn the tide. :wink:

Hutzvah is helpful, but yeah...CoVar wasn't exactly going to turn the tide. But, hey...hutzvah!

I remember the (good 'ole) days...when I created this nation and was so worried about GDODAD and invasion that I created a handful of puppets (most of which still exist after a couple resurrections).

Anyway, back on topic, it appears that for new feared uber alliances (and the average variety) to work they need to be highly active in getting their name seen (with multiple members spreading the name) and also have a highly active (or at least enough of one) membership that either makes them feared by small nations or dominated by them.

*Ponders supporting/creating an anti-evil uber alliance*

Hmm...restructuring GDODAD is not impossible within Metus. The councillor (TST) will ofcourse remain Councillor but will also be the top of the hierarchical structure. Only the organization below will have to be reorganized, which can be done without violating the Metus treaty.

However, in a hierarchical system, inactivity becomes more of a problem than it is now. If a nation is inactive, those below him can't do much either.

You could enlist a nation from that person's five nations to be his "second-in-command", taking over for him whenever he may be absent for more than five days. Then I'd suppose you'd need a third in command, and maybe a forth, but no more than that. No one likes to be defined as being on the absolute bottom.

Yeah, I suppose that could work.

*smiles wistfully in recollecting the good old days*

"Ah, GDODAD, what fun!! What memories!! What fantastic sources of material!!"

:lol:

WN

I'm tempted to blow up the WN headquarters, but I'm afraid that would be bad PR :twisted:

I'm tempted to blow up the WN headquarters, but I'm afraid that would be bad PR :twisted:

Nods.

:lol:

WN

GDODAD What a fantastic idea all imperialist should join forces and forge this alliance to tremble the forums. If it is ever formed again I would very much like to join.

I never feared GDODAD, but I loved them. They were an anti-thesis, a polar opposite to Chimaea, or at least Chimaea under Lord Bryce. It was like Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty, Doctor Who and The Master.

And you know the stupidest thing? We never actually faught!

Nope, never. Every time a war broke out, I'd be involved elsewhere. The second major war against GDODAD... or was it the first... broke out during the Chimaea-Clock Hill war. And so it went, I'd be rearing up for a fight, nothing would happen, I'd go back to something else and everything would go to hell behind my back.

It did indeed give NS a direction. But yeah... these days, so many nations chose to take sci-fi and fantasy powers than the original, gritty, 20-21st century tech. Pity :(

I would never be a member but I'd like to see GDODAD active again, anything to make things interesting.

I'd join it, i'm new but thought it would be fun to role play a facist regime. So i'd be perfect.

Hmmm....maybe the conflicts with the GDODAD are the reason this game was so great this time last year. I'm always active, bet on at least twice a day, and would do much to get this to work. I'm pretty cloutless in my own opinion, but hey, this could help build.

#tag#

I intend to resume RP after the server switch - Goobergunchia would ICly never be a part of GDODAD, but I would OOCly find this enjoyable....

Please, leave the GDODAD dead. They were a grand enemy in their day, but there day is now long since past. Ressurect not the dead, leave them to the realm of nostalgia.

Bring on the new threat.

Here's the problem. As mentioned earlier, there's simply too much in this game to allow for another huge conflict. Too many nations are too big, and the hordes of <500 million nations make it impossible to decipher the true dynamics of Nationstates.

In other words, people have spent years on their nations now, and they DO NOT want to lose them. This means cautious play from most, and godmoddery from others. No one wants to lose their precious nation. (Myself included, and I've only got about 6 months on mine!)

Also, because of the huge amounts of tremendous powers and the masses of moderate powers, any war could turn into a slugging match of gigantic proportions. To stop this, no one gets in wars, and nothing gets off of the ground. The days of an offensive alliance are gone. No longer can any alliance weild enough power to dominate, due to the sheer size of the NS community. The only alliances powerful enough to be threat have to be so large that they are unstable and unweildy.

But this is not the end of NS RP. In fact, it gives the players an opportunity for growth. Suddenly "small scale" RPs of a personal or diplomatic interest are of more import, and inter-regional and intra-regional politics becomes more important. Membership in alliances is no longer the sole point, but one of many for a nation to choose from. The RP has simply become more subdued, more realistic, and more character oreinted (which makes it stronger, overall).

*my two cents*

NS kind of has lost it's tast in big full-scale wars, hasn't it? So many damn alliances keeping order....the last major war I remember was the massive Ignore-fest that was the invasion of Melkor back on August/September/October (was it really that long ago?)

Then agian, I never rally noticed until now when I saw this thread (hardly even been in a war. I'm just too damn lovable :P )

A full-scale war in NS nowadays would absolutely suck in RP terms -- just look at all the crap numberwanking godmoders.

It would become a war of

I send 5 million troops to your land despite the logistical impossibilities!

Oh yeah? Well I send 5000 fighters to blow your @ss up, noob!!!1

And so forth.

GDODAD What a fantastic idea all imperialist should join forces and forge this alliance to tremble the forums. If it is ever formed again I would very much like to join.

and

Please, leave the GDODAD dead. They were a grand enemy in their day, but there day is now long since past. Ressurect not the dead, leave them to the realm of nostalgia.

Bring on the new threat.

You people don't seem to read the whole thread or my thread that started this one...

The GDODAD has been reformed. Not only that, but by one of the greatest anti-GDODAD nations ever, Automagfreek. He left a while after creating it though, so now the old leadership of Nod and TST are back.

What is the difference between this GDODAD and the GDODAD of old? This one has figured out that even with an alliance of nations over two billion, it isn't smart to start taking on nations of equal size.

Once you reach the billion mark, you have the ability to wipe anyone out, no matter what their size. It may take you with them, but you can do it...

This GDODAD is apparently more defense based and, from my old experiences with the secret side of the alliance, probably leaning more towards the subversion and infiltration of an enemy.

I think blaming the changing times for people godmoding is a bit silly. If people are gonna godmod now in their RP, they would (and probably did) so previously in NS history as well.

I personally think Kaukolastan hit it, not with the first point but the second. People don't want to lose their nations.

I'm not sure I really understand that viewpoint, though. Characters can survive. Stories can be written. Even fighting and losing in every single NS war would not mean that you could not RP, or that your RPs would suck, or anything.

But most players seem to be so obessesed with protecting their IC state of affairs by any OOC means possible, as if their nation/government's exact current state of affairs is the only thing on NS worth playing for or keeping. Totally unwilling to ever change or adapt or be creative and just keep going.

My opinion: we could have a large war. It's just that everyone's afraid they'd lose. (Not me though, nah nah nah!)

Let's be frank here: NS is going down the tubes, and ironic as it may sound, another GDODAD may just save it. The fate of NationStates is in our hands.

NS isn't going down the tubes. If you don't enjoy it, quit. The general roleplay, minus the tech-wanking, has actually improved over my year of existance. Wars have become more like English class, and not Math class, if you know what I mean.

I manipulated the GDODAD from the beginning, rising to power quite quickly and easily, and then left after my reform process was abandoned and taken over by others, mainly Lord Christopher Scott. I've gone deeper into this on many occasions, and I'm tired of doing so.

The new GDODAD, and Metus for that matter, is a joke and a dishonor to the GDODAD's legacy. There was a time when GDODAD was feared, and there was a time when 500 million people made you a superpower...but those days are long gone.

Now it seems that every n00b or newbie had a veteran friend, and everyone who's anyone is part of a huge or semi-huge alliance. There are also the differences in tech levels...which shield certain nations from the type of influence the GDODAD had.

The Global Dominion of Dictators Against Democracy can never be made into what it once was.

The one thing that gets to me though, is Siri's statement that her RP circle (Yut and her fanboys) has always thought of GDODAD as a joke. Siri, why do you feel you have to lie about the past? The obvious tensions between Siri and Melkor (a close ally of the GDODAD) were enormous. That being said, many people find Yut to be a joke, so I guess it's all in opinions.

After the 1st GDODAD fell, I never really considered any of its reincarnations powerful.

Once you reach the billion mark, you have the ability to wipe anyone out, no matter what their size. It may take you with them, but you can do it...

ain't uber-sized populations fun? :lol:

Here's the problem. As mentioned earlier, there's simply too much in this game to allow for another huge conflict. Too many nations are too big, and the hordes of <500 million nations make it impossible to decipher the true dynamics of Nationstates.

In other words, people have spent years on their nations now, and they DO NOT want to lose them. This means cautious play from most, and godmoddery from others. No one wants to lose their precious nation. (Myself included, and I've only got about 6 months on mine!)

Also, because of the huge amounts of tremendous powers and the masses of moderate powers, any war could turn into a slugging match of gigantic proportions. To stop this, no one gets in wars, and nothing gets off of the ground. The days of an offensive alliance are gone. No longer can any alliance weild enough power to dominate, due to the sheer size of the NS community. The only alliances powerful enough to be threat have to be so large that they are unstable and unweildy.

But this is not the end of NS RP. In fact, it gives the players an opportunity for growth. Suddenly "small scale" RPs of a personal or diplomatic interest are of more import, and inter-regional and intra-regional politics becomes more important. Membership in alliances is no longer the sole point, but one of many for a nation to choose from. The RP has simply become more subdued, more realistic, and more character oreinted (which makes it stronger, overall).

*my two cents*

I have to disagree, I think that NS RP will be adversely affected by the size crisis already wars are getting very problematic and I am wondering land-wise where we would put all of our citizens as a number of 2 billion+ nations use relatively small areas of land and RP with their NS Spotlight pop.

So, I have an Idea and I've posted it in tech. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141118) A realistic display size that would display the population divided by a number like five (Why five, we start at 5 million and I think It would make things more manageable and realistic if it would take 5 RL years to reach 2.5 billion and with the slower growth size differences exist but are less extreme) and a text that would say that nation is using the realistic display option would be added to the spotlight.

However for the idea to work properly a number of larger nation and big RPers would have to be willing to use and encourage the use of this option (or alternatively agree on system to make the numbers manageable if the tech idea is rejected) in RPs for base data. We're going to have a number of 3 billion+ sized nations out there soon and I think that this is going to be a major RP problem if we don't agree on a solution.

Once you reach the billion mark, you have the ability to wipe anyone out, no matter what their size. It may take you with them, but you can do it...

Yeah I disagree here, too. Having a billion people doesn't give anyone that ability. It would take a lot more than a big population to take me on, at any rate.

I would just like to say that i think that this forum has been the most benefitial for me. I have learned a lot about what was happening when I joined. All I had ever heard about GDODAD was a distant rumbling of thunder and that was it. I have learned a lot.


Thanks

My opinion: we could have a large war. It's just that everyone's afraid they'd lose. (Not me though, nah nah nah!)

you know, the week before NS2 opens, we should do that, just for the hell of it. Have a massive armogeddon war between most (if not all) of the major powers that decimates NS.

My opinion: we could have a large war. It's just that everyone's afraid they'd lose. (Not me though, nah nah nah!)

you know, the week before NS2 opens, we should do that, just for the hell of it. Have a massive armogeddon war between most (if not all) of the major powers that decimates NS.

I've been out of the roleplaying loop it seems, but to me, the GDODAD is quite dead, no matter how many times it is reformed. A defensive based GDODAD? Pfft, what a load of crap.

And yes, I did read all of this thread and the one that started it, though I may have misread it in parts. I assumed that the new attempt by Automagfreek had failed again.

My opinion: we could have a large war. It's just that everyone's afraid they'd lose. (Not me though, nah nah nah!)

you know, the week before NS2 opens, we should do that, just for the hell of it. Have a massive armogeddon war between most (if not all) of the major powers that decimates NS.

Except for the fact that only a handful of the good NS RPers will be going to NS2.

Personally, I'm not paying a cent for the game. I'd rather give money to games with actual graphics and the like. If they can get by charging $14 a month, than there is no reason for NS2 to charge anything.

I have to disagree, I think that NS RP will be adversely affected by the size crisis already wars are getting very problematic and I am wondering land-wise where we would put all of our citizens as a number of 2 billion+ nations use relatively small areas of land and RP with their NS Spotlight pop.

So, I have an Idea and I've posted it in tech. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141118) A realistic display size that would display the population divided by a number like five (Why five, we start at 5 million and I think It would make things more manageable and realistic if it would take 5 RL years to reach 2.5 billion and with the slower growth size differences exist but are less extreme) and a text that would say that nation is using the realistic display option would be added to the spotlight.

However for the idea to work properly a number of larger nation and big RPers would have to be willing to use and encourage the use of this option (or alternatively agree on system to make the numbers manageable if the tech idea is rejected) in RPs for base data. We're going to have a number of 3 billion+ sized nations out there soon and I think that this is going to be a major RP problem if we don't agree on a solution.

5 real life years? I'm sorry...that plan is stupid.

There is nothing wrong with nations getting bigger in general. Change isn't always bad. Personally I love my population and fail to see how getting 3 billion+ sized nations hurts RP.

imperialism is a very bad idea, unless you want another world war one, just think about it


the radical

My opinion: we could have a large war. It's just that everyone's afraid they'd lose. (Not me though, nah nah nah!)

you know, the week before NS2 opens, we should do that, just for the hell of it. Have a massive armogeddon war between most (if not all) of the major powers that decimates NS.

That might just be crazy enough to work. :twisted:

FYI: I used to think the GDODAD was powerful. I used to respect them. I remained officially neutral in World War 5, but I outsidedly supported the GDODAD (especially Drum Gods). One day, I woke up to find that Russian Forces and allies were invading me! Did the GDODAD help me? Only a few of their low ranking nations' armies and some support from Drum Gods came. - maybe because of Nod being invaded at the same time.... I think that almost all outside supporters of the GDODAD backed down after me getting invaded.

My point is, GDODAD may have been very good offensively (and may be if it is brought up again), but they have no clear defensive plans. They'd need a good defense if they were to be brought back. Even being positive to the GDODAD in public is enough to get a death threat at you.

~ The Resurrected Lands of Nanakaland

P.S. This incarnation of Nanakaland is diplomaticly neutral to GDODAD, has a non-aggression pact with Russian Forces, and is the head of a medium sized defensive organization (the LoD).

I have to disagree, I think that NS RP will be adversely affected by the size crisis already wars are getting very problematic and I am wondering land-wise where we would put all of our citizens as a number of 2 billion+ nations use relatively small areas of land and RP with their NS Spotlight pop.

So, I have an Idea and I've posted it in tech. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141118) A realistic display size that would display the population divided by a number like five (Why five, we start at 5 million and I think It would make things more manageable and realistic if it would take 5 RL years to reach 2.5 billion and with the slower growth size differences exist but are less extreme) and a text that would say that nation is using the realistic display option would be added to the spotlight.

However for the idea to work properly a number of larger nation and big RPers would have to be willing to use and encourage the use of this option (or alternatively agree on system to make the numbers manageable if the tech idea is rejected) in RPs for base data. We're going to have a number of 3 billion+ sized nations out there soon and I think that this is going to be a major RP problem if we don't agree on a solution.

5 real life years? I'm sorry...that plan is stupid.

There is nothing wrong with nations getting bigger in general. Change isn't always bad. Personally I love my population and fail to see how getting 3 billion+ sized nations hurts RP.

Seconded. The 1.792 billion population of Nanakaland is nothing. Nanakaland has colonies on the moon, in other places on the earth, and in other places in space. If you stress realism, Patoxia, then high populations for old and well developed nations is realistic.

Wow, intresting thread I feel like a newb all over again, I didnt even know the dominion fell

My opinion: we could have a large war. It's just that everyone's afraid they'd lose. (Not me though, nah nah nah!)

you know, the week before NS2 opens, we should do that, just for the hell of it. Have a massive armogeddon war between most (if not all) of the major powers that decimates NS.

Except for the fact that only a handful of the good NS RPers will be going to NS2.

Personally, I'm not paying a cent for the game. I'd rather give money to games with actual graphics and the like. If they can get by charging $14 a month, than there is no reason for NS2 to charge anything.

your such a party pooper :P

ok, how's this. An armogeddon war that we later ignore. I just think it would be fun to send everything we've made up in flames.

5 real life years? I'm sorry...that plan is stupid.

There is nothing wrong with nations getting bigger in general. Change isn't always bad. Personally I love my population and fail to see how getting 3 billion+ sized nations hurts RP.

indeed. Hell, I need more population to fill up my cluster of stars, not less...

NS kind of has lost it's tast in big full-scale wars, hasn't it? So many damn alliances keeping order....the last major war I remember was the massive Ignore-fest that was the invasion of Melkor back on August/September/October (was it really that long ago?)

Then agian, I never rally noticed until now when I saw this thread (hardly even been in a war. I'm just too damn lovable :P )

Notice the destruction of UnAPS? It is turning into a huge path, multiple threads and former allies now slugging it out with eachother. It is a textbook example that an alliance of massive nations cannot coexist...and they were all democracy based. Imagine an alliance of dictators all desiring/competing for power.

Large alliances with large nations create power vacuums, a vortex of competition, that drags many into this competitiveness and complete implosion, followed by an explosion.

As for Resi, I do remember coming to your aid on more than one occasion, but I did nothing. I do believe I was there, with a gathering of allies, to assist you and Eris, on more than one occasion.

GDODAD, I do not think it could ever work again. I was never a member, but if an alliance was to reform, it would be hard for nations over 2 billion to 'tilt' their flags to a higher command. See ref above with UnAPS.

And yes, I did read all of this thread and the one that started it, though I may have misread it in parts. I assumed that the new attempt by Automagfreek had failed again.

It worked for awhile, but without my leadership and motivation it kinda went down the crapper. It's still around, so I guess it's resurrection by me was a success on some level.

Yes, Auto...

bringing new life to GDODAD...then leaving...and then being responsible for its death...

...following in my footsteps once more I see :wink:

Yes, Auto...

bringing new life to GDODAD...then leaving...and then being responsible for its death...

...following in my footsteps once more I see :wink:

Heh. :)

Yeah, when I left everybody kinda lost their drive.

Yes, Auto...

bringing new life to GDODAD...then leaving...and then being responsible for its death...

...following in my footsteps once more I see :wink:

Heh. :)

Yeah, when I left everybody kinda lost their drive.

Right. And none of them post on the Metus boards at all. :roll:

[quote="Nanakaland"]FYI: I used to think the GDODAD was powerful. I used to respect them. I remained officially neutral in World War 5, but I outsidedly supported the GDODAD (especially Drum Gods). One day, I woke up to find that Russian Forces and allies were invading me! Did the GDODAD help me? Only a few of their low ranking nations' armies and some support from Drum Gods came. - maybe because of Nod being invaded at the same time.... I think that almost all outside supporters of the GDODAD backed down after me getting invaded.
[quote]

Yeah, I remember that. I believe noone in GDODAD really knew for sure whos side you were on :)

Well, I was on Drum Gods side. Now I brought up my political freedoms and am now a neutral "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy."

Man, i remember the wars with Russian Forces and Imperial Navy and all of the other huge guys when i first started. I supported what GDODAD tried to do provately, i wouldve got my a$$ kicked if i announced publicly, but then all of a sudden i missed the posts about GDODAD crumbling, and then they stopped posting. I didnt know what happened till a couple of months ago when i read some stuff about what GDODAD USED to do. USED to do, hell, i never knew they STOPPED doing that stuff. I thnik we wont know if they can come back unless a group of good RPers gets together and either revitalizes GDODAD or creates a new alliance group. Its worth a try, with all kinds of old RPers leaving recently, NS is going to the newbs. Somethings gotta happen.

Right. And none of them post on the Metus boards at all. :roll:

GDODAD is still a seperate entity outside of Metus, no? I still see activity from Adrda, but believe it or not, the new GDODAD has done nothing (this does not include any activity that GDODAD members have in Metus).

I've been out of the roleplaying loop it seems, but to me, the GDODAD is quite dead, no matter how many times it is reformed. A defensive based GDODAD? Pfft, what a load of crap.

Indeed. If the GDODAD is not aggressive, imperialistic, and just generally evil, it's pointless. I've heard such ridiculous things from members of the various "reformed" GDODADs as "We're not really evil, you're misrepresenting us!" and "Imperialist? What are you talking about?" The old GDODAD made NS a whole lot more fun than it would otherwise have been (despite my well-known IC hatred for the organization), but those days are over. Due to the changes in NS power dynamics that others have pointed out, the subsequent reincarnations of GDODAD have been too cautious for anyone to take them seriously.

I would love, absolutely love to see the old GDODAD come back.

No, not because they were invincible (they were driven back from Arani and other places).

No, not because they didn't godmod (they did, but at least in those days godmoding had its own informal rules and usually came from misunderstandings, not as a tactic).

No, not even because they gave some sense of a plot to NS (although they did do this, there were also a number of other powerful undercurrents that made things fun).

And No, not even because they 'controlled' the forums (they simply didn't, although they were clearly a force to be watched if you were a small nation).

But rather because GDODAD made NS fun. Where else could you have 5 million troops thrown haphazardly to battle for some blackened, nuclear wasteland in a desperate battle to gain control of the generally worthless piece of rock (like Iwo Jima, aside from the tactical uses of that island)? Where else could a faulty diplomatic address lead to seven nations assaulting the homeland of the erring for the insult? When else could you really feel like there was a sense of good and evil on NS, when you could choose to take part on either side and we all knew that, OOCly, we were all just having fun?

GDODAD was good to have because it stirred the pot; it formulated devious massive schemes that it was always something of a treat to uncover. It was interesting to work among its enemies, sometimes taking parts of their forces head-on and othertimes negotiating to sneak up on them like assassins. It was a time when RPing wars was done not only for interest but to make the progress of Nationstates ICly more interesting...to create the atmosphere that generated a handful of world wars and battles that were realistically almost pointless.

Thanks to TST, NOD, SB, Crimmond and all of those old GDODADers for making NS fun to be a part of...when those 100,000 nations listed were 25% UN multis and 10% inactive.

The truth is that the technology that was once only available to a few is now copyable by the many (many of whom are still worthy of the title n00b, IMHO) and that certain technologies that were once the trademark of some group or nation are now spread by newbs that were never around when that identifying connection was made. In this environment, it is very difficult to support massive invasions and to use the superior technology to overcome lower-tech enabled opponents.

Yes.... NS was much more fun back when the first GDODAD was around. There were obvious and definite sides in wars. Rarely ever were there third parties...

NS is much, much more refined now. Most major battles involve only 100,000 combat personnel total now.

Back in May and June of 2003 people were sending millions of troops against each other for insane reasons.....

But we've learned much since then, and there has been a serious change. Almost all major powers on the forums are space and/or future tech. 50% of nations exceed 750 million in population, and everything is increadibly subtle.

I'm in two major RP's now. One has been going on since January, the other since February..... Most of what has been done in these could have been summed up in two weeks back in the GDODAD days.

I miss the mayhem of summer 2003.

:cry: It brings back good (and bad) memories. Now I feel old.

The NS now is boring, the wars all seem the same and I see no real reason why I even bother to sign on....... If a few of us raised hell and started a major war it would be more interesting.........

The NS now is boring, the wars all seem the same and I see no real reason why I even bother to sign on....... If a few of us raised hell and started a major war it would be more interesting.........

unfortonetly, I'm not in a position to do that. Ususaly, one must be the head of a major alliance.


Oh, and major wars tend to get messy. Remember WW5? Or the invasion of Melkor? both flopped in an EXTREAMLY ugly fashion.

...Ususaly, one must be the head of a major alliance... :!:
...
I'm going off to scheme now, don't mind me...

...Ususaly, one must be the head of a major alliance... :!:
...
I'm going off to scheme now, don't mind me...

I've inspired :D my work here is done

For a major war, one would need a moderator who is fair, not involved in the RP, agreeable to all, acknowledged as the referee in said RP, knowledgable, fair, etc. Essentially, a GM.

Otherwise the mere lack of coordination in post-making will destroy the war. To say nothing of the first disagreement between players.

Your right Resi, that would be the only way that imperialism could actually make an impact. But nowadays most nations lack the time and effort. It would end up a group of die-hard old nations leading the way, it'd have to be.

I can understand nations not wanting to "die." I'm only a few months old, and I don't want Jordaxia to die. I think a huge war at the end of NS would be great though. It would let the newbies (me) know what they missed, and give us a fantastic exit to NS 2.

I can understand nations not wanting to "die." I'm only a few months old, and I don't want Jordaxia to die. I think a huge war at the end of NS would be great though. It would let the newbies (me) know what they missed, and give us a fantastic exit to NS 2.

Great Idea!! Now that would be an ending!! :D

Much as I want to take credit for it, look up.
It's not my idea, but I will champion it if nobody else will. Personally, I wouldn't mind when it came, but it would be the greatest possibility right at the end.

Back when I was known as The Sean Empire, I was a GDODAD member. The GDODAD was still feared back then. I was involved in quite a few wars as The Sean Empire. The GDODAD is what kept me addicted to NS. Then, I decided to change my style of RP. I wanted to be known as a good nation, not a target of every good nation in NastionStates. So I resigned. I joined up with an anti-GDODAD alliance. Can't remember the name or the members, but I knew the abbreviation started with a 'U.' Then, I resigned from that and rejoined GDODAD. I was suspected of being a spy, and kicked out. I never was a spy. Then, I decided to get drunk one night with some friends. After that, I was never same. My nation feel to OOC alcoholism. One night, I got drunk and got on NationStates. I decided to spam the forums. That led to my deletion. I then checked into rehab. I can proudly say I'm now sober and I've won the battle with alcoholism.

But, like I was saying, being in GDODAD gave you a sense of meaning. You weren't always respected, but you were known. It gave you something to believe in. It also gave you something to do.

Too bad those days had to end.

Congrats tasty.

If there is any way I could do it, I would personally, even given my small size, resurrect the days of old. They sound so much better than nowadays.
If this thread, in general, agrees, I'm going to spread the word to my allies and suchlike to support a big war, when the day comes to end NS many moons from now. Is there any way to get the old alliances back? Or is it the past.

Then, I decided to get drunk one night with some friends. After that, I was never same. My nation feel to OOC alcoholism. One night, I got drunk and got on NationStates. I decided to spam the forums. That led to my deletion. I then checked into rehab. I can proudly say I'm now sober and I've won the battle with alcoholism.

But, like I was saying, being in GDODAD gave you a sense of meaning. You weren't always respected, but you were known. It gave you something to believe in. It also gave you something to do.

Too bad those days had to end.

So thats what happened to ya(TSE)! Dude i had no idea! Well congrats on beatin it and i couldn't agree more, too bad those days have ended...

Thanks.

I remember you Trixia. I think I was almost in a war with one of your allies. Then we became friends. Good to see you again.

I think the old days a being glorified a bit too much ;)
When we were having the old days, they sucked. Everyone was shitty about godmodding, and things just tended not to work for whatever reason.
But in retrospect, everything was wonderful and great :D

*plots*

Then, I decided to get drunk one night with some friends. After that, I was never same. My nation feel to OOC alcoholism. One night, I got drunk and got on NationStates. I decided to spam the forums. That led to my deletion. I then checked into rehab. I can proudly say I'm now sober and I've won the battle with alcoholism.

But, like I was saying, being in GDODAD gave you a sense of meaning. You weren't always respected, but you were known. It gave you something to believe in. It also gave you something to do.

Too bad those days had to end.

So thats what happened to ya(TSE)! Dude i had no idea! Well congrats on beatin it and i couldn't agree more, too bad those days have ended...

Yea, TSE/TF...I think that you got a 9.5 out of 10 on the "Suicide by DEAT" rankings...up there with the greatest of the 'sploding nations.

It's good to have you back though and I'm glad to hear that you got over those issues. If you want to be in an RP just TM me sometime and we'll figure somethin' out.

I think the old days a being glorified a bit too much ;)
When we were having the old days, they sucked. Everyone was shitty about godmodding, and things just tended not to work for whatever reason.
But in retrospect, everything was wonderful and great :D

*plots*

Yeah, I agree. Back then everyone was whining about GDODAD being godmodders and warmongers (some were, many were not), and that is exactly why we enforced a stricter admissionprocedure and became more defensive.

Now that we aren't godmodders and warmongers anymore people say it was better back then :?

*Notes that he prefers the present over the time long gone*

So, errr... yes, I disagree.

Oh, btw...

ok, how's this. An armogeddon war that we later ignore. I just think it would be fun to send everything we've made up in flames.


Uh... Isn´t this... Errr... Pointless? You know, isn`t... Plotting over several months, slowly changing, slowly preparing for a particular target, and , more... [i]thrilling?

Maybe it is just me, but the idea is... silly.

* whines * ... it just isn't special to be a 2002 nation anymore...

i'd disagree, i treat 02 nations with alot of caution as not only are they big but they have alot of the other big nations behind them

i'd disagree, i treat 02 nations with alot of caution as not only are they big but they have alot of the other big nations behind them


That's not true. I don't want to get into any details, naming nations and such. The motherland is trying to treat the forces of Russia with a DR, but that entire story has a Twist.

Not all 2002 nations are strong lol

Back when I was known as The Sean Empire, I was a GDODAD member. The GDODAD was still feared back then. I was involved in quite a few wars as The Sean Empire. The GDODAD is what kept me addicted to NS. Then, I decided to change my style of RP. I wanted to be known as a good nation, not a target of every good nation in NastionStates. So I resigned. I joined up with an anti-GDODAD alliance. Can't remember the name or the members, but I knew the abbreviation started with a 'U.' Then, I resigned from that and rejoined GDODAD. I was suspected of being a spy, and kicked out. I never was a spy. Then, I decided to get drunk one night with some friends. After that, I was never same. My nation feel to OOC alcoholism. One night, I got drunk and got on NationStates. I decided to spam the forums. That led to my deletion. I then checked into rehab. I can proudly say I'm now sober and I've won the battle with alcoholism.

But, like I was saying, being in GDODAD gave you a sense of meaning. You weren't always respected, but you were known. It gave you something to believe in. It also gave you something to do.

Too bad those days had to end.

Ah. Now I know why TSE was one of the few GDODAD members who helped me when I was invaded.

OOC:

I don't remember that. :P

It appears as if the growth of the world is a cureless disease..The only real power now for anyone is ranks upon ranks of supporters.*sigh*And UOHN died too..

Firstly a statement:

One billion is one million million. That is: a bi-million (million to the power of 2). Similarly, a trillion is a tri-million (a million to the power of 3).

I assume NS uses this scientificaly correct version of a billion.

Now for a couple of questions:

What does OOC stand for?

Who or what is/are GDODAD?

Thanks in advance.

OOC=Out of Character

And if you don't know what GDODAD is by now than go away.

Who or what is/are GDODAD?

And if you have no clue what the GDODAD is, bugger off. This is not for new nations in the first place.

This has been an Ineffable post, to let y'all know the GDODAD top brass is watching this thread, and that he too would like to bring the old GDODAD back, but doesn't kn ow if it could work again.

The GDODAD is the Global Dominion Of Dictators Against Democracy, an alliance. Perhaps that'd clarrify it for you.

Who or what is/are GDODAD?

And if you have no clue what the GDODAD is, bugger off. This is not for new nations in the first place.

This has been an Ineffable post, to let y'all know the GDODAD top brass is watching this thread, and that he too would like to bring the old GDODAD back, but doesn't kn ow if it could work again.

I once tried to sign up one of my nations to the GDODAD. Apparantly, they aren't recruiting. That might be one of the GDODAD's problems.

I did too,Windom..didn't work though =D



Size ripoff ^ 8)

OOC:

I don't remember that. :P

But I do remember you abandoning NationStates Major League Baseball :evil:

I prefer it when people actually telegram me, rather than just signing up to the forums. Also, nations<50 mil aren't allowed in unless it's an older player, so evidence of that would've been helpful too

Yeah, I agree. Back then everyone was whining about GDODAD being godmodders and warmongers (some were, many were not), and that is exactly why we enforced a stricter admissionprocedure and became more defensive.

Now that we aren't godmodders and warmongers anymore people say it was better back then :?

This is a common misconception I've heard from GDODAD members: "People whined because they thought we were godmodders and warmongers." The truth is more complicated than that. People disliked the GDODAD OOCly because many members were poor roleplayers, and ICly because it was a warmongering organization. I doubt if anyone really had OOC problems with GDODAD's warmongering, because that's what an evil organization like GDODAD is supposed to do.

I prefer it when people actually telegram me, rather than just signing up to the forums. Also, nations<50 mil aren't allowed in unless it's an older player, so evidence of that would've been helpful too

Fine. Could you please allow The Underground Fort to the GDODAD? Oh and one question. Is the GDODAD part of Metus?

Uh... Isn´t this... Errr... Pointless? You know, isn`t... Plotting over several months, slowly changing, slowly preparing for a particular target, and , more... [i]thrilling?

Maybe it is just me, but the idea is... silly.

good god, you just can't please everyone, no matter what you do, can you?

aw fuck it...
* "Accedentaly" fires all doomsday weapons at random*

OOC:

I don't remember that. :P

But I do remember you abandoning NationStates Major League Baseball :evil:

Oh...that...yeah...you see what had happened was...umm...sorry. :shock:

You may rejoin for the 3rd season...we're in the 2nd World Series now...

You may rejoin for the 3rd season...we're in the 2nd World Series now...

Sweet. Thanks. :)

Firstly a statement:

One billion is one million million. That is: a bi-million (million to the power of 2). Similarly, a trillion is a tri-million (a million to the power of 3).

I assume NS uses this scientificaly correct version of a billion.

Now for a couple of questions:

What does OOC stand for?

Who or what is/are GDODAD?

Thanks in advance.

10^9 (1,000,000,000) is the "scientifically correct version" of a billion under the "American" and "French" systems (according to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/billion), with a million being defined as 10^6 (1,000,000). It is only the "British System" that defines a billion as a million^2 (10^12).

Most English-speaking countries reportedly define it as 10^9 with the rest of the world is said to be split between the two definitions. Even the British government uses the 10^9 accounting for internal government records (since 1974). For our accounting purposes, billion seems fine as defined by 10^9 (a thousand millions) as much of the market for NS.net understands that as 'a billion'.
(source: http://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge/lookup.cgi?title=Billion)

In the end, it's all dependant upon your location and the application. NS has run on 1,000 million for quite a while and its players mostly understand that value (all transactions that I've ever seen on NS involving 'billions' have meant 1000s of millions).

*watches the thread cheerfully degenerate*

Sweet. Thanks. :)

http://invisionfree.com/forums/NationState_Baseball/

OOC=Out of Character

And if you don't know what GDODAD is by now than go away.

Trailers:

If I don't know what GDODAD is "by now"?!? At the time I asked the question, I had been a member of NS for about a day. Do you really think that is enough time to have absorbed all the information and goings on and little acronyms..?

As for going away... I don't think so, thanks.

Thank you for your OOC explaination though.

Silver Turtle:

I can read, thanks. Your copy and paste served no purpose other than to waste your own time in basically telling me that you weren't prepared to answer my question. :roll: Actually answering the question probably would have been quicker. Not answering at all would have been even quicker than that.

Still ... its your time to waste. ;)

Is this thing still alive?

OOC=Out of Character

And if you don't know what GDODAD is by now than go away.

Trailers:

If I don't know what GDODAD is "by now"?!? At the time I asked the question, I had been a member of NS for about a day. Do you really think that is enough time to have absorbed all the information and goings on and little acronyms..?


If you read the rest of this thread you should have a pretty good image of what GDODAD is/was. I think that was his point.

The point is not that he knows what GDODAD is, it's that he hasn't experienced the GDODAD and therefore can have little to no useful input. It's like you can listen to someone drone on about the holocaust, but get no real feeling for how horrible the holocaust actually was.

It would indeed be interesting if another alliance happened. The problem is, what would unite them. As you said there are so many anti-imperialist nations that they would try and nip any such organisation in the bud. Political ideology perhaps? Although that isnt really followed too much in NS. I dont know. It probably will happen again, its just a matter of time.