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Nanite Diffuser - Nuke defense at its finest

The Resi Corporation
18-04-2004, 06:21
CNN Headline News
A Resi Media Company

In a surprise release today, CEO Jai Resi of the Resi Corporation announced the creation of the finest this world has ever seen in nuclear defense, but it comes at a price. Let's listen in on his speach, already in progress.

The word "live" appears at the bottom of the screen, as the camera cuts to Jai at a podium.

"Men... women... robots... and catpeople," Jai begins his speach, "fellow Resians all. Today I bring forth an important and crucial step in the history of our nation. By using the great scientific achievement of nanomachines, we shall be free of the threat of nuclear terror or strikes from other nations. Let it be known that henceforth we will be impervious to a nuclear attack!"
*applause, chearing*
"Now, I know some of you are skeptical to our claims, so I have something to show you. Feast your eyes upon the fruit of science and the good of the people!"
A covered cylindrical box rises from underneath the ground up onto the stage, and a large screen over the podium allows everyone to watch as Jai turns and whips the cover off of the box, reveiling what appears to be a food processor.
"This machine," Jai began again, returning to the podium, "releases a stream of nanomachines into the air that will search for and devour any weapons-grade plutonium/uranium that they may come in to contact with. These machines test the air around them, and if nanomachine content isn't satisfactory, then they produce more. Should any material they find unsatisfactory come within 1,000 miles of the device in any direction, nanites will consume it. It doesn't matter if the substance is in an enemy nuke, a suitcase, or..."
A whir and a clank is heard. On to the stage rises a foreboding shape.
"...one of our own nuclear bombs. Which is why, here today, I bid farewell to our ten remaining nuclear warheads, of which this is one. And now, to turn on the device."
Jai presses a single button on his watch, and the machine whirrs to life.
"I'll be back in two minutes," he says to the crowd, "Please, use this time to watch our highly entertaining commercial features!"
*fade out*
*fade in*
Female voice: Sleek... sexy... and makes you twice the man you think you are...
*cuts to a car flying down hairpin turns, with the engine blasting and a heart thumping in the background*
*cut to black*
The new R-150... you need it.
*SpeedResi logo displays*
*fade out*
*fade in*
Jai, back at the podium, waves to the crowd.
"Well that was entertaining, wasn't it? Now that we've given the nanites time to proliferate, we can have some fun with nuclear missile #104 here."
Reaching behind the podium, Jai picks up a sledgehammer one-handed.
"Amazing what a little work at the gym can do, isn't it?"
*smattered laughter*
"Anyhow, many of you can guess what I'm about to do with this hammer here, and the others can just sit back and watch."
Jai, carrying the hammer, walks up to the nuke and gives the hammer a full, heavy swing, right into the nuke.
The crowd watches in awe. Even those who guessed this were surprised to see it actually happen.
The nuke wobbled a bit, and fell over on its side. It began to roll off the stage in the direction of the audience.
"Sweet Eris!" Jai exclaimed. With a bound he jumped in front of it, then smacked it with the sledge again, stopping it before it had time to squash the onlookers. "Well now," Jai said to the audience, gasping for breath, "THAT wasn't supposed to happen."
Returning to the podium, Jai straightened his tie and took a deep drink of water from a glass he kept under the podium. "In any case, I believe my point has been illustrated perfectly. We are not dead from a nuclear explosion, and the Diffuser works. Good night, and goddess bless!"
*fade to commercials*
Kanuckistan
18-04-2004, 06:42
I have difficulty beliving that an airborne(thus low-density, if you're going to avoud making the air hazardous) nanite swarm can eat an incoming hypersonic nuke in the handful of time it takes to reenter the atmosphere and detonate. Should work great against most less overt delivery methods, however, and you probally already have the ICBM aspect covered by other systems.
The Resi Corporation
18-04-2004, 06:49
I have difficulty beliving that an airborne(thus low-density, if you're going to avoud making the air hazardous) nanite swarm can eat an incoming hypersonic nuke in the handful of time it takes to reenter the atmosphere and detonate. Should work great against most less overt delivery methods, however, and you probally already have the ICBM aspect covered by other systems.((Indeed I do, which is why we tend not to worry too much about said hypersonic nukes. :wink:
If it goes through space, it gets OWNED. We have an international SDI, a regional SDI, and a national SDI to protect us.))
Alcona and Hubris
18-04-2004, 06:50
OOC: You can wack on a sledgehammer on a nuke all day if you want RL. Espcially most thermo-nuclear weapons which use an outside shape of Uranium while the detenation works are inside.

It takes a special chain reaction in neutron production rates to actually go through a nuclear explosion. Now if resi's bombs are contact nukes (which seems a bit unusuall and tactically misguided) then I'd be cringing.

Now some nukes, say a Pu based bomb incased in a shpere of shaped charges would go boom!...but that might just be a 'dirty' explosion or a full blown nuclear reaction since your detonating it untimed.

With that explination I now give you my resident nuclear physists response:

Landgravine Hubris eyes the T.V. report. "What exactly is Resi trying to prove? That he can whack all day on a uranium shell and get no response? And where is Wazzu anyway?" She looks at her advisors.
The Resi Corporation
18-04-2004, 06:53
OOC: You can wack on a sledgehammer on a nuke all day if you want RL. Espcially most thermo-nuclear weapons which use an outside shape of Uranium while the detenation works are inside.((OOC: Oh, I know that. And this "Jai" is actually a robot. You can check, the real Jai is in Eris Kallisti. So what? This entire occasion was just for show. The common person thinks that a sledge to a nuke means instant death.))
Landgravine Hubris eyes the T.V. report. "What exactly is Resi trying to prove? That he can whack all day on a uranium shell and get no response? And where is Wazzu anyway?" She looks at her advisors.((OOC: Washu! Washu! Not Wazzu! That's like the fourth time you've made that mistake.

As for where she is, she's currently making a new custom Raven for an upcoming RP. I probably said too much, but hey, this is OOC))
Xanthal
18-04-2004, 06:54
The Resi Corporation: Your common people must not be too bright.
The Resi Corporation
18-04-2004, 06:57
The Resi Corporation: Your common people must not be too bright.((OOC: The common person doesn't have a Ph'D in nuclear physics, if that's what you mean.

Besides, half the people out there suspect that this Jai's a robot, but don't really care. A robo-Jai got exposed as a robot when he presented the Phoenix Machine, so people are suspicious. But this is all like 1984, where people know one thing to be the truth, but intentionally think another.

Besides, I severly doubt the average American knows a nuke won't blow up if you smack it.))
Xanthal
18-04-2004, 07:01
The Resi Corporation: Wow. I hope that my countrymen aren't that dumb. Not that I give America major IQ points as a whole. Sometimes I feel like Einstien (and yes, to add irony, that's probably mis-spelled) compared to some of the other people I know.
Alcona and Hubris
18-04-2004, 07:02
OOC: Sorry Washu...
Well if his people are that guliable I feel better. Maybe I can sell them Klatchian Kitties...
The Resi Corporation
18-04-2004, 07:06
OOC: Sorry Washu...
Well if his people are that guliable I feel better. Maybe I can sell them Klatchian Kitties...((OOC: It's not that they're gullible, per se, it's that they're gullible only to certain sources. If you were around advertising that said how great the company you worked for was, and how much the competition sucked, all day every day, you'd believe your boss no matter what he said. It's ingraned into you, in a way.))
Kanuckistan
18-04-2004, 07:06
((Indeed I do, which is why we tend not to worry too much about said hypersonic nukes. :wink:
If it goes through space, it gets OWNED. We have an international SDI, a regional SDI, and a national SDI to protect us.))

OOC: SDI? We just put up what amounts to a planetary-grade shield. :D
Crimmond
18-04-2004, 07:09
Whether the nuke would blow or not if he smacked it... it takes a pair to whack a nuke with a big hammer. In any case, we are pleased to see another nation destroy it's nuclear arsenal as we did years ago.

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Zvarinograd
18-04-2004, 07:40
OOC:
Can you smell a lawsuit? This is from Civilization: Call to Power, isn't it?!

EDIT:
In the game, the Nanite Diffuser is a wonder of the world you can construct, it destroys all nukes.

It's a sattelite which releases a nanite swarm all over the world, land, sea, air. The nanorobots have only one specific function, to consume all weapons grade nuclear elements.
The Resi Corporation
18-04-2004, 08:02
OOC:
Can you smell a lawsuit? This is from Civilization: Call to Power, isn't it?!

EDIT:
In the game, the Nanite Diffuser is a wonder of the world you can construct, it destroys all nukes.

It's a sattelite which releases a nanite swarm all over the world, land, sea, air. The nanorobots have only one specific function, to consume all weapons grade nuclear elements.((OOC: Actually, it's from the second Call to Power. Got you there. :wink:

That's besides the point, though. The fact is, CtP2's is a satellite and mine is a city improvement. However, if you want to see where we ripped it off like a bastard, cruise over to our store (http://members.cox.net/resicorp/) and check up on Crawlers, FARQs, and Empaths.

EDIT: And the Plasma Tanks. AND the Plasma Power Plant picture.))
The Resi Corporation
19-04-2004, 05:09
BUMP for responses.
Komokom
19-04-2004, 05:30
* Blink a few times ...

" I wonder when they'll "perfect" the "National Shield" project ... "

* (Wry smile)

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS.
Crimmond
19-04-2004, 05:34
* Blink a few times ...

" I wonder when they'll "perfect" the "National Shield" project ... "

* (Wry smile)

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS.OOC: Was that the big laser thingie? :lol:
The Resi Corporation
19-04-2004, 05:48
* Blink a few times ...

" I wonder when they'll "perfect" the "National Shield" project ... "

* (Wry smile)

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS.OOC: Was that the big laser thingie? :lol:((OOC: We tried that a while ago as a primary defense, what with the lasers and all, but some hacker got in the systems and used the laser to write expletives on an uninhabited island to the south of us. Now he's in jail, our lasers are secondary and have high system security, and a certain island to the south is "with stupid" with an arrow pointing north.))
CoVar Corporation
19-04-2004, 05:56
OOC: *Vaguely Remembers being south of the Resi Corporate Islands...wonders if the CoVar Corporate Island(s) are said "With Stupid [Arrow North]* Of course then it was uninhabited...but CoVar has semi-abandoned the islands. As I remember their currently semi-owned by the Paradise [Front] Corporation, with most/many CoVar assets being transferred to Asia.
The Resi Corporation
19-04-2004, 05:59
OOC: *Vaguely Remembers being south of the Resi Corporate Islands...wonders if the CoVar Corporate Island(s) are said "With Stupid [Arrow North]* Of course then it was uninhabited...but CoVar has semi-abandoned the islands. As I remember their currently semi-owned by the Paradise [Front] Corporation, with most/many CoVar assets being transferred to Asia. :shock:
:shock: :shock: :shock:
*acts like he's seen a ghost*
C-C-C-CoVar! You're back from the grave!
Drakonian Imperium
19-04-2004, 06:49
OOC: Oops wrong nation.
The Resi Corporation
19-04-2004, 06:51
((OOC: I've got your s/n, feel free to edit it out now.))
Clairmont
19-04-2004, 09:32
Hmm, ok i can somehow digest these nanites defusing a suitcase nuke or something similar slowly transported. So this removes that threat. Altough even the most basic physics behind the operation of this system are a bit shaky IMHO.
The Scr00d
19-04-2004, 09:52
On another note, The Holy Empire of the Scr00d has just armed itself with an arsenal of 360 thermonuclear missiles, as well as various chemical and biological weapons, not the least which are Anthrax and Nerve Gas. And will use them even against their own populace if they uprise.
The Scr00d
19-04-2004, 09:54
We have also established a network of Cold Fusion Generators, that shall provide us with power for eternity, and have instituted Metallica's Blackened as the National Anthem.
The Gothic Underworld
19-04-2004, 16:42
IC: King Louis, the King Vampire of The Gothic Underworld, watches the latest news flash from the Resi Corporation. His eyebrows were furrowed in thought. Presently, he sent for his Defense Minister, Mirko Grabowski.

Grabowski: Your Majesty.
Louis: Enough of that, how many times do I have to tell you. Anyway, what do you make of this?"
Louis pointed to the screen.
Grabowski: Quite a cheap promotion, even for the Resi Corporation. But if it is for real, I would like to have one of those toys for myself......for the good of The Gothic Underworld, that is.
Louis: I'm sure you do. So how exactly would this affect us?
Pause. Then,
Grabowski:I'm not sure, if this is for real, it shouldn't affect us, as we don't have ICBMs per se, but what about our tactical nukes? It could decrease our firepower severely.....not that we want a war, that is.
Louis: Of course. I say we call his bluff.
Grabowski:What?
Louis:Call Jai Resi. Ask him if he's interested in a real test. A tactical nuke, fired from one of our WarriorHawks, and see if the nanites are for real. If he's bullshitting, we'll know, won't we?
Grabowski:And if it is for real?
Louis: If so, get one of our negotiators to negotiate a price for one of these. And make sure he's good, I heard those at Resi are real SOBs......

OOC: Resi, if you're interested, t-gram me.
The Resi Corporation
20-04-2004, 00:22
Hmm, ok i can somehow digest these nanites defusing a suitcase nuke or something similar slowly transported. So this removes that threat. Altough even the most basic physics behind the operation of this system are a bit shaky IMHO.You don't understand, the air will be saturated with these nanites as the air of some cities is saturated with polution. They will literally be everywhere.
On another note, The Holy Empire of the Scr00d has just armed itself with an arsenal of 360 thermonuclear missiles, as well as various chemical and biological weapons, not the least which are Anthrax and Nerve Gas. And will use them even against their own populace if they uprise.

We have also established a network of Cold Fusion Generators, that shall provide us with power for eternity, and have instituted Metallica's Blackened as the National Anthem.((OOC: We don't care. If you want to let this crap out, start yourself a new thread. Just don't clutter up mine.))

The Gothic Underworld: Check tgs.
Clairmont
20-04-2004, 05:54
Hmm, ok i can somehow digest these nanites defusing a suitcase nuke or something similar slowly transported. So this removes that threat. Altough even the most basic physics behind the operation of this system are a bit shaky IMHO.You don't understand, the air will be saturated with these nanites as the air of some cities is saturated with polution. They will literally be everywhere.


I wasnt talking about the deployment method of this thing, i was talking about the physics, as in how it in laymans terms work. Not simply "it digests the fissionable fuel in a nuclear weapon" in particular, where does the "digested" fuel of the nuclear weapon go?
The Resi Corporation
20-04-2004, 06:03
I wasnt talking about the deployment method of this thing, i was talking about the physics, as in how it in laymans terms work. Not simply "it digests the fissionable fuel in a nuclear weapon" in particular, where does the "digested" fuel of the nuclear weapon go?It only digests the material in appearance. In actuality, in deassembles it atom by atom and disposes of it back at the main Nanite Diffuser.
GMC Military Arms
20-04-2004, 06:06
Um...

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Myths/Nanotech.html

Say it all, really...
The Resi Corporation
20-04-2004, 06:15
Eh, not really. These nanobots are basically another part of the air Resian people breathe now. While they may not work fast, the shear quantity of them is enough to get the job done.
Guanyu
20-04-2004, 06:16
Resi, TGs.
GMC Military Arms
20-04-2004, 06:17
Um, except you're asking them to dismantle a missile who's casing is superheated from reentry. As it says:

Rates of heat transfer are correlated to surface area, while heat content is correlated to volume. Obviously, the ratio of surface area to volume is much larger for a microscopic object than it is for a macroscopic object, which means that microscopic objects are extremely vulnerable to heat. This is why a piece of hull armour might survive an intense radiation bombardment while a thin antenna made of the same material might melt away (it's also why a bunch of ice chips will melt faster than one big ice cube). In other words, the normal radiative heat flux on the tiny shell of an exposed nanobot in space (depending on its proximity to the nearest star) might very well be enough to fry its innards (this is a problem for the idea of solar-powered nanobots in space; their fuel source may destroy them). It goes without saying that the heat flux in the vicinity of a pitched battle involving nuclear-yield weapons would certainly fry an exposed nanobot (unless you carefully manufacture a thickly shielded casing for each nanobot, which would make it much larger, thus defeating the purpose and decreasing the ratio of useful machinery to dead weight).

They'd never have time to dismantle it before they got fried.
The Resi Corporation
20-04-2004, 06:21
Re-entry? The plan is for my multiple SDI systems to take it out before then.

This measure is merely for suitcase nukes and nukes fired via submarine. At least now it is, at any rate.
The Gothic Underworld
20-04-2004, 07:52
OOC: Resi, i've got your t-gram, TG me.

IC: Later in th evening, at approximately 2 AM in The Gothic Underworld (GU), Graobowski came running up to the King Vampire, who had just come back to the Ebony Palace from his nightly walks in the heartland of the City of Darkness.

Grabowski: "Your Majesty....."
Louis: "Just Sire! Dammit!"
Grabowski: "Yes, er, Sire, you better look at this."

He hands King Louis a telegram. Louis opens up and reads.

[code:1:48602c5e3a]
To the potentate of the Gothic Underworld:
While allowing nukes to be launched at our nation is seriously bad PR, we agree that the device needs to be tested. Therefore, in a month we will have built the second of these devices for placement in our island colony of Bandonia. Before it is shipped to Bandonia, we will send it to another offshore island to the east of us that is only sparsely populated, and will allow you to launch a nuke at that after, of course, we power up the device. We trust that you will find this satisfactory.

CEO Jai Resi
Resi Corp
[/code:1:48602c5e3a]

Louis folds up the letter, and thinks. Presently,

Louis: "Hmm, so they are serious, are they?"
Grabowski: "Sire I'm pretty sure they're pulling our bluff......."
Louis: "Shhh. I need to think."

Grabowski stops. Louis thinks for a while, then,

Louis: "How far is the Resi Corporation from our nearest aircraft carrier?"
Grabowski: "Ermm...... *looks at his PDA* The nearest naval group to Resi is the GUS Vision, our Archon-class aircraft carrier. They are now at a distance of...."
Louis: "Forget the numbers, can a Warriorhawk squadron make it there by itself?"
Grabowski: "Well.....*looks at PDA again* no. They don't have the legs for that, but a Peregrine squadron might make it to that offshore island Resi highlighted."
Louis: "Hmmm......Colonel James Venger is attached there, right?"
Grabowski: "Yes, sir, he's the squadron leader of our ace Vengeance Squadron, and one of the best......
Louis: "And yadayadayada. I know. Send word to Resi that i will take up his challenge."
Grabowski: "Sire, I don't think....."
Louis: "And why not?"
Grabowski: "It wastes our resources which can be...."
Louis: "Rubbish, a tactical nuke is cheap. And i'm sure we have enough to spare. Contact Resi, and put the Vision on standby."
Grabowski: "Er, of course, Your Ma...."
Louis: "SIRE!!!"
Grabowski: "Yes, Sire."

He scoots off.

[code:1:48602c5e3a]
To Jai Resi,
CEO of the Resi Corporation,

I, King Louis, of The Gothic Underworld, takes up your offer. I accept your terms. The Gothic Underworld does not have ICBMs per se, but tactical nukes, fired from one of our locally-researched ASF-10 Peregrine fighters should suffice. Take note that if you accept, the Vengeance Squadron will scramble from the GUS Vision in international waters, and enter Resi airspace to engage in the target you set. I trust that you will guarantee the safety of our nation's ace squadron during this test.

I thank you for this chance to test your technology, and for this chance to test the technology of my country as well.

Your Sincerely,
The King Vampire
City of Darkness, Gothic Underworld[/code:1:48602c5e3a]
Clairmont
20-04-2004, 12:43
Um...

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Myths/Nanotech.html

Say it all, really...

Muahaaahaaha. Heheh, fellow SDnet man eh :D

Anyway. The problem with speed for one is quite real, as is where you dispose the "digested" fission fuel. It would take quite a while for these nano-bots to completely disable a nuke and since they would need to dispose of the nuclear fuel they are taking away from the weapon, they would also need to transport it away from the weapon.
The Territory
20-04-2004, 13:58
I note with some amusement that this is the sort of thing that Drexler himself thought was overoptimistic.
The Resi Corporation
20-04-2004, 18:18
Anyway. The problem with speed for one is quite real, as is where you dispose the "digested" fission fuel. It would take quite a while for these nano-bots to completely disable a nuke and since they would need to dispose of the nuclear fuel they are taking away from the weapon, they would also need to transport it away from the weapon.Yes, but it's not like the nanites will come back for a second load or anything. They grab what they can and deposit back at the Diffuser, while the rest of the nanomachines simply do the same without going back for a second helping. The Diffuser them breaks down the material, forces the exchange of a few particles within it, and turns it into something that the corporation can use. It's simple, really. Requires a lot of energy, yes, but it's still very simple.

((OOC: Besides, this was only really ment to be a healthy IC alternative to the "I ignore nukes!" stance chosen by so many people.))
Automagfreek
20-04-2004, 18:20
OOC: Resi, TM.
The Resi Corporation
21-04-2004, 08:51
OOC: Resi, TM.((OOC: Received, check yours.))
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