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Knootoss leaves UnAPS, withdraws from Allanea

Knootoss
13-04-2004, 20:38
Statement in an emergency press conference by Prime Minister nos Cirdan
Nieuwspoort Press Centre

“Good day, ladies and gentlemen,

I have a rather… surprising announcement to make.

Several influential UnAPS members have plans to divide and annex parts of Allanea after the war. They claimed our ambassador Visser the lone voice of dissent against such actions. When it was revealed that a majority of UnAPS members actually opposes annexation, they claimed that it was not an UnAPS matter what their troops did to Allanea after the war. Our diplomats where insulted repeatedly when they sputtered.

We were opposed to a planned counter invasion of the Republic in the first place because it is foolish. The millions of casualties that will no doubt ensue are unneeded. The DDR has presented numerous alternatives, receiving support from many members, yet the matter was ignored and our people were mocked by Scandavians as unpatriotic.

The Scandavians have also dismissed the notion that the alliance is against their Imperialism, yet the Metus alliance was constantly portrayed as an enemy because they are doing this very thing. I would like to make clear today, as Prime Minister, that we have no ill intentions towards Metus. We condemn certain aspects of certain regimes, especially in the field of sentient rights. However instead of starting a cold war we would like to work together with the Metus alliance to address these issues in an open, friendly way. This is also why we do not have any sanctions against Greater Prussia, even though it is a part of Metus.

In the Knootian governments view, to even consider annexation of the sovereign Allanean Republic as a viable option is a flagrant violation of the charter. To quote its lofty words: we as an alliance “are brought together in the pursuit of universal human rights and for the promotion of progressive social and/or economic policies.” We have pledged “to respect the rights of all sentient beings and not to discriminate against such beings based on race or ethnicity” We have also pledged “ to oppose tyranny, aggression and imperialism wherever these vices make themselves known.” We still uphold those ideals and we believe a majority of the alliance also does.

Conquering a nation, splitting up its people and replacing a democratic government with small colonial ones is unacceptable to us. If UnAPS, in the end, allows this to happen they will have betrayed their ideals and ruined reputation. Because several member nations have decided to pursue these policies unilaterally, regardless of discussion, we will withdraw from this alliance immediately.

Knootian forces are also pulling out of Haven at this very moment. In my term, there will be no deaths of our boys and girls to facilitate land grabs. I also ask that the Allaneans allow our planes to leave peacefully, giving us time to withdraw from –the Prophet- without incident.

I personally implore the Allanean government to cease its invasion of Edolian lands and seek a peaceful settlement. We do not support the Allanean attack; it is the behaviour of several of our supposed allies who have, in our opinion, betrayed the alliance. Should any invasion happen, however, we will morally support Allanea in their defence against the imperialist aggressors should a planned annexation go through. Our nations have much in common, not in the least a passionate love for freedom.

I also hope to retain good relations with all UnAPS countries who still oppose imperialism, and share this love of freedom I mentioned, and have a respect for multilateralism, sovereignty and equal rights for all. We wish them well in their political struggle with their allies who, in our opinion, are not worthy of membership. I hope they will realise that this is not an act of treachery, but a moral necessity for our people. We do this because we believe it is the right thing to do, and because we are left no other option. We hope for peace on the Haven continent.

Thank you for your time.
I am, as always, ready for questions should they be there.
Iuthia
13-04-2004, 21:05
[tag as I sort things out, maybe post tomorrow with the way I'm feeling]
Scandavian States
13-04-2004, 21:07
Very well, we had hoped that you would actually show respect for an ally's form of government, former ally now. Let us make some things perfectly clear. First, when we joined it was with the understanding that a policy of peaceful imperialism by our government would be tolerated by the leadership of UnAPS, it was the duty of the Knootoss ambassador to speak up then if they had objections to such policy. Second, we had no intention of forcing any Allanean citizen to join our nation. We proposed a referendum be held and monitored by a third party on our behalf. This was to take place after a five year period of occuaption by all participating UnAPS members, after which UnAPS involvement would officially end and any foreign troops withdrawn. This childish outburst is merely the result of a nation who failed to force their flowery and idealic ideology on an entire alliance, we breathe a sigh a relief that they left of thier own will.

Now, onto the diplomatic consequences of this... betrayal. First, the Knootian ambassador is hereby expelled and has twenty-four hours to vacate our territory before he is arrested for espionage. Second, we hereby permanently withdraw our ambassador from Knootoss, we cannot in good faith recognize a nation who will recognize a Metus one. Third, all Knootian assets within Scandavian States have been siezed and liquidated. Fourth, a permanent import ban has been placed on Knootian goods, and likewise an export ban on any good to Knootoss. Any person caught violating the former will be charged with espionage and any the latter treason. Both charges carry mandatory death senteces except in very special cases (like you ambassador.) We had hoped that the leadership of Knootoss would grow some perspective and maturity, but that hope has been in vain. We wish you luck as our enemy.
Edolia
13-04-2004, 21:13
"I shall not make a long speech on this matter as I do not believe that the Knootians will listen to what we say. They have not seemed to wished to listen in the past. Their resignation from the United Alliance of Progressive States is coming as a great suprise to us, however. We were in the process of a debate regarding what is to be done with Allanea once it is occupied. Certain members within the alliance have expressed the wish that they be annexed to keep them from acting against us again. We have not made any moves to unilaterally go about this and all parties interested in annexation have offered compromise solutions, one of which was accepted by the Knootian representative as fair! Why then are the Knootians withdrawing from an alliance whose members have shown that they are all willing to work to come to a consensus and compromise? If it is because of temporary disagreements over what should be a general policy, then I will suggest that the Knootians not get involved in an alliance in the future. This inability to compromise and discuss matters reasonably is a very large problem. We shall say no more on this matter. Discussions are still under way as to whether or not we will continue our large soda pop importation from Knootoss or choose a new supplier."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs
imported_Ilek-Vaad
13-04-2004, 21:25
Ilek-Vaad regrets that the Democratic Dutch Republic will be leaving the UnAPS. Ilek-Vaad supports the war against the Allanean aggressors and supports our allies right to defend their territorial integrity. We personally do not wish to have any piece of Allanea, but we do recognize the right of some of our allies to seize Allanean land in order to bolster their own security, if that is what they deem necessary.

We do not believe that the UnAPS has gone against it's charter. Allanea was the clear aggressor as it invaded Edolian territory in an attempt to take territory from Edolia. We do not believe that the Allanean government is capable in ruling in a cognizant, responsible manner. It may very well be best that UnAPS custodians take control of part or all of Allanea. This is the third time that Allanea has invaded Edolia and drastic steps agianst any more re-ocurrences.

We support our allies in the UnAPS and we do not believe that the UnAPS has been weakened by the loss of the Democratic Dutch Republic, however regretable that may be. We were unaware that the situation had come to this point, as it had appeared that a compromise had been reached within the UnAPS.

We did not wish to see the Democratic Dutch Republic leave the UnAPS.

First Republican, Ilek-Vaad

P.S. We do not view the Democratic Dutch Republics leaving the UnAPS as betrayal and we do not condemn them for it. They have a difference of opinion and have decided that it is best that they leave,We prefer to leave it at that.
The Island States
13-04-2004, 21:33
The Island States is upset that Knootoss has left in such a manner. We will follow suit by declaring the following:

1. Our embassy staff in Knootoss has been ordered to destroy all coding machine and code books. They are also ordered to burn any documents that are deemed sensitive by our guidelines. They will be gone before 12 hours is expired and leave peacefully. Knootoss can do whatever they wish with the property afterwards.

2. Knootoss has 12 hours to do whatever it needs to secure it's embassy for immediate and peaceful handing over to our government (including the removal of code machines, code books, documents and staff). We promise the safety of the Ambassador for 36 hours so he may leave, after which he will be thrown in jail for espionage.

3. All imports and exports to and from Knootoss are hereby cancelled. All Knootoss ships and planes are ordered to leave immediately and not to return.

4. Knootoss civilians are being asked to leave now while we can guarrantee your safety and ability to return home. If they refuse to leave, we cannot guarantee their safety. If they cannot leave in time, we will transport them to a neutral country for transport back to Knootoss.

EDIT: Major talking has led to a 'renegotiation' of terms.
The Angry Junkies
13-04-2004, 21:41
The Island States is upset that Knootoss has left in such a manner. We will follow suit by declaring the following:

1. Our embassy staff in Knootoss has been ordered to destroy all coding machine and code books. They are also ordered to burn any documents that are deemed sensitive by our guidelines. They will be gone before 12 hours is expired and leave peacefully. Knootoss can do whatever they wish with the property afterwards.

2. Knootoss has 2 hours to do whatever it needs to secure it's embassy for immediate and peaceful handing over to our government (including the removal of code machines, code books, documents and staff). We promise the safety of the Ambassador for 12 hours so he may leave, after which he will be thrown in jail for espionage.

3. All imports and exports to and from Knootoss are hereby cancelled. All Knootoss ships are hereby detained until further notice and will not be allowed to leave (although, Knootoss airplanes and airlines will be allowed to depart but not land). If any vessel violates this order, they will be boarded and/or further actions will be taken.

4. Knootoss civilians are being asked to leave now while we can guarrantee your safety and ability to return home. If they refuse to leave, we cannot guarantee their safety. If they cannot leave in time, we will transport them to a neutral country for transport back to Knootoss.

Knootoss is in Trouble, UnAPS is to be feared and UnAPS will not be denied.
TAJ is interested in long lasting relationships with such peoples, and will welcome commerce.

The Angry Junkies, serving democracy right since we thought of it yesterday
Hattia
13-04-2004, 21:43
Hattia believes our allies are overreacting. We are unhappy that Knootoss has decided to leave the alliance, but we respect their decision. We would like to continue to maintain friendly relations and hope they will do the same.
Scandavian States
13-04-2004, 22:07
Upon further deliberation, all parties subject to the siezure of goods will be compensated double their initial market value. If any party wishes to have the items themselves returned, they may pay for the fueling of a C-226 Ranger cargo plane, or they may pay for international shipping. We cannot guarentee the condition of the item(s) if they choose the latter. As a sort of compromise for the return of siezed goods, all people currently holding Knootoss visas are required to leave the country in twelve hours. Any person who fails to do so will be escorted to the closest border and told to walk. We cannot guarentee their safety past that point.
imported_Ilek-Vaad
13-04-2004, 22:31
Hattia believes our allies are overreacting. We are unhappy that Knootoss has decided to leave the alliance, but we respect their decision. We would like to continue to maintain friendly relations and hope they will do the same.

We fully agree with Hattia.
Copiosa Scotia
13-04-2004, 22:58
"We deeply regret the departure of the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss from the UnAPS. We see no need to discuss the politics of the situation before the world stage; the Allanean matter is one to be handled privately. At this time, we will only say that we intend to retain strong diplomatic and economic ties to the Dutch Democratic Republic."

Sophia Kahler
Secretary of Foreign Affairs
Free Provinces of Copiosa Scotia
New Genoa
13-04-2004, 23:40
New Genoa will follow suit and withdraw ourselves from the UnAPs. We feel the alliance's goals and its eagerness to war is in direct violation of the principles that New Genoa was founded on. It should also be noted that New Genoa will begin to gradually reduce military spending until the point of true pacifism. Thus, a war would totally violate our plan. In addition to this, we believe that the UnAPs can handle this situation themselves easily.

We still urge for Allanea to cease its unjustified invasion of Edolia, but we will not support an alliance against imperialism that is so eager to send men overseas to die as well as willing to set up colonial states.

Humanitarian aid volunteers from New Genoa have been given permission to travel to both sides of this conflict to assist injured or wounded civilians as well as wounded soldiers.

We regret that it has come to this. But what must be done will be done.

-Foreign Affairs-
Omz222
13-04-2004, 23:51
We strongly regret such event in which the DDR of Knootoss leaves from the UnAPS alliance, and although we are dissatisfied that the Knootoss government decides to leave the alliance, we fully respects their decision and the will to not tear the alliance apart. But as much, we also wish that the Allanean situation would be discussed and solved privately within the UnAPS coalition, although we much hope that the UnAPS' goals would be achieved within the situation and the charter obeyed.

As much as we believe that our allies in UnAPS are overreacting and the Allanean situation have caused some concerns within the internal sectors of our alliance, we hope to continue the strong economic and diplomatic ties with the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss, and we hope that the DDR would accept this. But we would also like to express our view that UnAPS' goals are not imperalism and great aggression, and as the Omzian Democratic Federal Republic is a pacifist nation which opposes to such annexation or any mass destruction of civilian property, we much would like to note that there are UnAPS members who are much to seek peace rather than concepts such as "peace through strength".

Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
Omzian Democratic Federal Republic
Doujin
13-04-2004, 23:53
Statement in an emergency press conference by Prime Minister nos Cirdan
Nieuwspoort Press Centre

?Good day, ladies and gentlemen,

I have a rather? surprising announcement to make.

Several influential UnAPS members have plans to divide and annex parts of Allanea after the war. They claimed our ambassador Visser the lone voice of dissent against such actions. When it was revealed that a majority of UnAPS members actually opposes annexation, they claimed that it was not an UnAPS matter what their troops did to Allanea after the war. Our diplomats where insulted repeatedly when they sputtered.

We were opposed to a planned counter invasion of the Republic in the first place because it is foolish. The millions of casualties that will no doubt ensue are unneeded. The DDR has presented numerous alternatives, receiving support from many members, yet the matter was ignored and our people were mocked by Scandavians as unpatriotic.

The Scandavians have also dismissed the notion that the alliance is against their Imperialism, yet the Metus alliance was constantly portrayed as an enemy because they are doing this very thing. I would like to make clear today, as Prime Minister, that we have no ill intentions towards Metus. We condemn certain aspects of certain regimes, especially in the field of sentient rights. However instead of starting a cold war we would like to work together with the Metus alliance to address these issues in an open, friendly way. This is also why we do not have any sanctions against Greater Prussia, even though it is a part of Metus.

In the Knootian governments view, to even consider annexation of the sovereign Allanean Republic as a viable option is a flagrant violation of the charter. To quote its lofty words: we as an alliance ?are brought together in the pursuit of universal human rights and for the promotion of progressive social and/or economic policies.? We have pledged ?to respect the rights of all sentient beings and not to discriminate against such beings based on race or ethnicity? We have also pledged ? to oppose tyranny, aggression and imperialism wherever these vices make themselves known.? We still uphold those ideals and we believe a majority of the alliance also does.

Conquering a nation, splitting up its people and replacing a democratic government with small colonial ones is unacceptable to us. If UnAPS, in the end, allows this to happen they will have betrayed their ideals and ruined reputation. Because several member nations have decided to pursue these policies unilaterally, regardless of discussion, we will withdraw from this alliance immediately.

Knootian forces are also pulling out of Haven at this very moment. In my term, there will be no deaths of our boys and girls to facilitate land grabs. I also ask that the Allaneans allow our planes to leave peacefully, giving us time to withdraw from ?the Prophet- without incident.

I personally implore the Allanean government to cease its invasion of Edolian lands and seek a peaceful settlement. We do not support the Allanean attack; it is the behaviour of several of our supposed allies who have, in our opinion, betrayed the alliance. Should any invasion happen, however, we will morally support Allanea in their defence against the imperialist aggressors should a planned annexation go through. Our nations have much in common, not in the least a passionate love for freedom.

I also hope to retain good relations with all UnAPS countries who still oppose imperialism, and share this love of freedom I mentioned, and have a respect for multilateralism, sovereignty and equal rights for all. We wish them well in their political struggle with their allies who, in our opinion, are not worthy of membership. I hope they will realise that this is not an act of treachery, but a moral necessity for our people. We do this because we believe it is the right thing to do, and because we are left no other option. We hope for peace on the Haven continent.

Thank you for your time.
I am, as always, ready for questions should they be there.

OOC: I would like to point out, that it was barely a majority.. and that the question you gave on the poll was "Annex part of Allanea" and "Knootoss leave UnAPS". Of course people are going to choose the latter question.

New Genoa, you claim the UnAPS to be 'eager to war', when this is the first war that the UnAPS has been in as an alliance. I find the said fact disproves your statement.

I may post later, with more arguments / less - but eh.

[*TAG*]
Scandavian States
14-04-2004, 00:16
[So, the score is one nation who was annoying me, one nation who was going to be forced out, and one that I can't really figure out. *sigh* Oh well, it had to happen eventually. I'd just like to note, that if a nation has Empire/Imperium in their name, it usually isn't just decor.]
Tarasovka
14-04-2004, 00:17
Taraskovyan Department of Foreign Affairs statement.

The Grand Duchy welcomes this wise and responsible decision by the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss to withdraw from a conglomerate of nations that seems to be either incapable or unwilling to handle efficiently interior disputes and to coordinate a joint effort in one single goal, instead of each entity leading its own policy.

The Grand Duchy also welcomes the withdrawal of Knootian military elements from an irresponsible and totally grotesque campaign led by the above stated conglomerate of nations.

The Grand Duchy hereby advises all participants of the above stated conglomerate to act with extreme care when dealing with the matter and reminds all parties that any retaliation against Knootian diplomatic staff will trigger a response from the part of the Grand Duchy.

The Grand Duchy also commends the governement of New Genoa for seeing the light of reason.

Thank you for your attention,
High Councilor of Duchy for Foreign Affairs,
Leib-Count Kenthadith Shekas
_Taiwan
14-04-2004, 01:26
The Republic of China is disappointed at this move by the Dutch Republic, but will respect their decision to withdraw from UnAPS. This incident has not affected the Dutch Republic's good standing from our point of view.

The Republic of China too shares the Dutch Republic's views on the war, but has opted for unity with the alliance. We hope our two nations can continue with the establishment of economic ties and greater links.

Chen Shui Bian
President of Taiwan
Vrak
14-04-2004, 01:26
++++
Intel scan - cycle 9028198
Type: press release
Summary: Knootoss leaving UnAPS due to differences over Allanea policy.
Reaction: Scandavian States harshest response.
Additional information: New Genoa also leaving UnAPS
Command: monitor
Priority: Medium-low
Full analysis due: 2 hours
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Vrak
14-04-2004, 01:27
Double post.
Isselmere
14-04-2004, 01:30
*tag*
Isselmere
14-04-2004, 01:30
*tag*
Iuthia
14-04-2004, 01:44
Official Iuthian Statement

Given the nature of all the recent events I must firstly state that I'm horrified that such a situation has got to the point where our allies have been treated with such hostility over their actions...

While I am on the whole disapointed with the statement made by Prime Minister nos Cirdan of Knootoss; I feel that it didn't warrent such a violent outburst from our allies.

We can understand why our friends in Knootoss feel that have to leave this alliance and we can even understand why they felt that should leave in such a fashion, thought we are not willing to go into specifics to avoid further "intel" leakage and claims that Iuthia is a traitor...

Despite the general UnAPS reaction to Knootoss, Iuthia will be keeping all diplomatic links with Knootoss and seek a new alliance between us to make up for the losses made from this inicident.


Meanwhile we are unsure about our own membership within the alliance; currently we feel that our membership should at the very least be frozen until we can fully grasp the situation. The idea that Knootoss's people are being rounded up in some UnAPS nations and being forced to leave is horrifying concidering they were allies only days before...

It's quite appalling behaviour in our minds, seeing as this nation has worked so hard for our ideals... perhaps I'm being too hasty, seeing as it is only a couple nations who feel that Knootoss citizens and embassies are a threat to them, despite Knootoss's work for the alliance, hell he checked all the nations coming into the alliance for us...

However it's yet to be seen where this will go. Mostly our reaction is due to our shock that allies can act in such a manner... however we accept that most nations within the alliance are good friends and we've worked hard in the alliance, it would be a shame to waste it.

So for the time being we would like to note that all UnAPS embassies and citizens and positions and what not are staying pretty much the same within Iuthia... we will not kick other nationals out nor will we burn bridges. However we feel this must be resolved, otherwise where is the trust?

We are sorry things had to go this way, but it's gone too far.

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OOC: I would of been happy to choose unity, hell I had the perfect idea for how I was going to deal with the situation without damaging my Ethos, but the truth is that the hostility I've been watching is just something I am really pissed off at...

The chances are that maybe, if UnAPS is willing, I can patch things up and stay friends with Knootoss while being a member of UnAPS and generally not worrying about what happens to Allanea (which deserves everything it gets). However the comments made on IRC just really weren't something I wanted to watch; especially after Knootoss left... I'm still tired and bothered with a million ailments I got camping in cold England... but hell, I do not want to see that crap again...
Chimaea
14-04-2004, 02:21
[code:1:8d903b9b86]**Security Dispatch, Scrambler 9153453256743695375489**

TO: Knootoss

FROM: Foreign Ministry, Chimaea

RE: Safety of DDR Citizens and Embassy Staff

TEXT: In lieu of the threats made against the safety of Knootonians abroad after your decision to leave this organisation, Chimaea has several passenger and military aircraft ready to extract said citizens from offending nations to Knootoss via friendly airpsace if necessary.

Any attack on DDR citizens will be considered an attack upon Chimaea. However, a peaceful solution to a possible emergency would be best and any transport requirements can be filled by us with no problems.[/code:1:8d903b9b86]
Scandavian States
14-04-2004, 03:31
There have been no threats against Knootian citizens by the Imperium. We have merely stated that their visas are cancelled and they are asked to leave by their own means. However, I'm sure the Knootian citizens would rather a free ride via Chimaea, so we'll notfy them as to your offer and expect the Chimaean aircraft to be at national airports by the deadline. We thank Chimaea for this reasonable offer.
East Islandia
14-04-2004, 03:41
"All of you, calm down. What say we all cool our heads and have a meeting somewhere to stop ourselves from acting irrationally? Islandia will be open for meetings if one is needed."
Vice Premier Park Hyemin.
Austar Union
14-04-2004, 03:42
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The Republic of Austar Union: Anatoba
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"We regret that our ally Knoostoss leaving the alliance. However we laud them for their lack of ability to solve problems peacefully.

Such disputes could have been RESOLVED, if only nations such as Knoostoss would not be so "trigger-happy". If Knoostos, and his counterparts who are leaving the alliance would have only waited to make diplomatic progress, this situation would have been resolved in its entire form.

However we ask, why should we care if such "trigger-happy" nations leave UnAPS?"

Richard Carson
Foreign Minister
Phyrric
14-04-2004, 04:45
"For one that preached the whole shit game of diplomacy, sure did find a way to shit on diplomacy. Well done Knootoss, well done."
"Bye"
Mintar
14-04-2004, 05:47
While we know that it is highly unlikely that Knootoss will go back on their decision to leave UnAPS, we must urge Knootoss to re-consider the wisdom of leaving an alliance based on the views of what you admit is a minority in the alliance. Furthermore, as Edolia has pointed out, no general consensus had been reached within the alliance.

This departure from UnAPS by the DDR deeply saddens us; we hope to at least maintain the ties with Knootoss that we held when Knootoss was in UnAPS, and we hope that Knootoss shares a similar opinion.

Furthermore, we urge our allies not to take action against the Knootian citizens and diplomats. Your actions serve no end other than aggravating this situation further, and no one wants that.

We hope that this situation can be resolved and possibly for Knootoss' return into UnAPS at a later time.

--President Edwardo Sanchez
Chimaea
14-04-2004, 05:49
There have been no threats against Knootian citizens by the Imperium. We have merely stated that their visas are cancelled and they are asked to leave by their own means. However, I'm sure the Knootian citizens would rather a free ride via Chimaea, so we'll notfy them as to your offer and expect the Chimaean aircraft to be at national airports by the deadline. We thank Chimaea for this reasonable offer.

OOC: I was referring largely to the very obvious threats made by the Island States... I think you've been fair enough. And btw, that was a scrambled and coded message to Knootoss, but meh, I'll let it pass ;)
Der Angst
14-04-2004, 10:59
From: Der Angst
To: Anyone who wants to read it
Subject: Knootoss leaving UnAPS

"This is laughable.

No, not laughable, it`s ridiculous.

The demands Scandavian States & The Islands States have made make us laugh. It is... amusing to see an alliance who wants to promote peace and human rights uses harsher sanctions against Ex- members than Arda, GDODAD, or The Reich do.

I have never seen members of aforementioned three so called 'evil' alliances demanding Ex- Members to remove their ambassadors, with the threat of their ambassadors being detained for espionage, shouldn`t the Ex- membernation comply.

So called progressive states immediately seize any and all Knootian assets in their nation just because Knootoss leaves the alliance!

Knootian citizens are threatened with the Capital Punishment!

Yes, yes, this makes us trust the so called Progressive States who, according to their reactions, are far worse than the so called evil nations and their alliances!

I would almost bet that a Knootian, or, for that matter, an Angstian citizen is much safer in The Silver Turtle or in Brotherhood controlled territory that they are in the territories of this progressive states. Progressive? No. They are a threat to world peace! A threat larger than Metus! Their ideals? 'Lets enforce them upon the rest of the world!' So they say, in their self- righteousness and ignorance.

Laughable, laughable at best.

Immediately, several UnAPS nations cut any and all ties with Knootoss, as if Knootoss had just declared war on them!

I can`t remember, say, SATO doing this with its leaving members.

Knootians are taken hostage by UnAPS members! Entire crews of entire ships are taken. Presumably to help economies weaker than the Knootian one.

Theft, this is. UnAPS? Nothing but a bunch of thieves. Worthless, ridiculous, warmongering fools that make GDODAD and Arda together look like peaceniks!

~ Mr. Morden

Attachements: Original statements from UnAPS members:

Now, onto the diplomatic consequences of this... betrayal. First, the Knootian ambassador is hereby expelled and has twenty-four hours to vacate our territory before he is arrested for espionage. Second, we hereby permanently withdraw our ambassador from Knootoss, we cannot in good faith recognize a nation who will recognize a Metus one. Third, all Knootian assets within Scandavian States have been siezed and liquidated. Fourth, a permanent import ban has been placed on Knootian goods, and likewise an export ban on any good to Knootoss. Any person caught violating the former will be charged with espionage and any the latter treason. Both charges carry mandatory death senteces except in very special cases (like you ambassador.) We had hoped that the leadership of Knootoss would grow some perspective and maturity, but that hope has been in vain. We wish you luck as our enemy.

1. Our embassy staff in Knootoss has been ordered to destroy all coding machine and code books. They are also ordered to burn any documents that are deemed sensitive by our guidelines. They will be gone before 12 hours is expired and leave peacefully. Knootoss can do whatever they wish with the property afterwards.

2. Knootoss has 2 hours to do whatever it needs to secure it's embassy for immediate and peaceful handing over to our government (including the removal of code machines, code books, documents and staff). We promise the safety of the Ambassador for 12 hours so he may leave, after which he will be thrown in jail for espionage.

3. All imports and exports to and from Knootoss are hereby cancelled. All Knootoss ships are hereby detained until further notice and will not be allowed to leave (although, Knootoss airplanes and airlines will be allowed to depart but not land). If any vessel violates this order, they will be boarded and/or further actions will be taken.

4. Knootoss civilians are being asked to leave now while we can guarrantee your safety and ability to return home. If they refuse to leave, we cannot guarantee their safety. If they cannot leave in time, we will transport them to a neutral country for transport back to Knootoss.

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Edolia
14-04-2004, 11:23
"We wish to make it clear that the alliance as a whole is not taking action against Knootoss, though I for one can understand the intense and justified feeling of betrayal. Though we do not condone the harsh actions taken by the Scandavian States or the Island States, we fully understand the feelings that they are feeling. The Knootian ambassador to the UnAPS had, in his last weeks, shown the Knootian governmental position to be quite aggressive diplomatically towards allies with whom they had a slight disagreement and this public announcement of private UnAPS discussions is nothing short of treachary. Though we will cease our importation of Knootian soft drinks and narcotics, we shall not place full economic sanctions on the Dutch Democratic Republic and will not withdraw our ambassador. We wish to remind the world that it is the Knootians who refused to compromise or discuss the matter, demanding that their own policy be put into place without considering others'. This is a dark day for the UnAPS alliance."
Matthew von Pickett
Minister for Foreign Affairs
Iuthia
14-04-2004, 13:42
"All of you, calm down. What say we all cool our heads and have a meeting somewhere to stop ourselves from acting irrationally? Islandia will be open for meetings if one is needed."
Vice Premier Park Hyemin.

Yes... perhaps that would help. There are issues I can't really discuss here.


Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
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Scandavian States
14-04-2004, 14:21
The Der Angst representative speaks from an inferior position of ignorance, and thus does not deserve a full response. We will remind the esteemed representative, however, that diplomats go to another country because they are invited, if the invitee government feels said ambassador has worn out his welcome and is asked to leave, s/he must do so after s/he is given a reasonable time frame from his hosts. As to the harshness of our actions, we don't hold lightly with people, or nations, that betray our trust.
Knootoss
14-04-2004, 15:18
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Schiphol Airport
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The Ambassadors from Scandavian States and The Island States were given a Royal treatment when leaving. They were allowed all the time they wanted and when they had finally packed their stuff an entire delegation was waiting for them at the airport.

As they stepped out in the open to get to their plane, a military band started to play their national anthem. Soldiers standing in an honorary positions along both sides of a red carpet presented arms. In front of the bottom of the stairs stood a frail brown-haired woman in a blue suit of Republican-KLM, the national airline. She bowed slightly with her head as she presented the Ambassador with a flower bouquet. Roses, in the brightest red imaginable. The thorns had not been removed, pricking the Ambassador. The dark red blood mixed with the bright red of the roses. With a soft, humble voice the Knootian woman spoke. “May you have a safe and pleasant journey back to your homeland.”

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Scandavian States
The Island States
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The Knootian ambassadors in Scandavian States and The Island States had little time to do much of anything, so outgoing statements were limited to those prepared by the Foreign Ministry. Movers were hastily packing in clocks, paintings, and tapestries as the lone Faxmachine continued to send prints in and out.

Amongst those fax exchanges were several communiqué’s relevant to the people hit by the sudden sanctions:


To: Knootian businessmen in SS, TIS, businessmen in SS or TIS involved in trading with Knootian firms

The Ministry would like to announce that it regrets the economic sanctions placed on the DDR by TIS and SS, and would like to make it known that we had no part in instituting them. We see this as a pointless move of revenge that will only serve to slow down economic growth in both nations.

Retaliatory sanctions will not be instituted, and Scandavians and Islanders (?) may, as always, do business In Knootoss without hinder from the authorities. No civilians will be expelled from our nation, and this includes businessmen.

Despite not being responsible for instituting this boycott, the ministry is is prepared to pay for direct profit loss incurred by businesses as a consequence of this new situation. Compensation is available to Knootian and Scanavian and Island States businesses. Knootian companies can also apply for temporary export subsidies for a period of up to thirty months, as a compensation measure for finding new markets to export to. This also holds true for any profit loss due to not-yet-announced sanctions that may be set on Iuthia, New Genoa or Barentsburg following their leaving of the Alliance. These subsidies are also available to SS or TIS export firms who choose to move their base to Knootoss or any of its dependencies within the next two years in order to avoid the boycott.

For applications call the hotline the ministry has instituted on this subject, number attached with this message.


Ironically, embassy diplomatic exchanges has never been so busy as worried civilians called with all sorts of questions. Sensitive documents and codebooks were all put in filecabinets which were hidden between the other shitload of paperwork that accompanied the move. The DDR sent its own diplomatic planes to pick the ambassadors up.

Civilians were evacuated, by plane, in a joined effort of Chimaea and Knootoss. Chimaea was compensated for its incurred costs (for the planes) and civilians were also generously compensated using a fund was instituted for the purpose.

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Foreign Ministry press releases
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In the diplomatic wake of the leaving of the Alliance, the foreign ministry answered the vast majority of replies
from UnAPS governments that did not include sanctions. Notably those from Hattia, Akiros, Ilek-Vaad, Copiosa Scotia, Omz222, Taiwan and Mintar. Others chose to follow the DDR in leaving, and were commended. A general press release was, well, released, summarising the Knootian intentions.

The same press release also dealt with the first strike use of nuclear weapons in the Allanea conflict by Phyrric. Most Knootians were released that they had gotten out a day before that happened. The people were abhorred with the mass-slaughter, but now at least the shame and burden conscience of f this would not be theirs to carry. Had the Knootian government known of these intentions and tried to stop it? The press was spinning the story madly and all papers from the Telegraaf to the Volkskrant saw the move as wise, with the satellite picture of a huge explosion filling the front pages.



Regarding the use of thermonuclear weapons in a first strike

The government of the DDR utterly condemns the use of a nuclear weapon against the forces of the Allanean Republic by Phyricc forces yesterday.

We are abhorred by the use of a weapon of around 20 megaton against heavy concentrations of forces. As it stands now, casualties will be in the millions, including hundreds of thousands of UnAPS troops. This mass murder… this genocide… has on excuse. When the DDR was still in UnAPS we pleaded for nuclear sanity in this war; at least it was extended until now. It appears the alliance has now lost all its restraints.

Out hearts and minds are with the victims of this act, which is a heinous crime against sentience and against all international agreements. I implore the Allanean government to govern their emotions, and react in moderation. We support the Edolian call for an immediate ceasefire.

The DDR will respond swiftly to this move, by enacting a complete weapons embargo on the Phyrric Republic. Any Military Arms Exports Businesses victimised by this move will be extended the same courtesies as usual. ((See above with TIS and SS.)) Further sanctions will be considered as the situation unfolds depending on who exactly authorised firing the weapon and how the matter is dealt with internally.

Regarding future intentions towards UnAPS memberstates
A majority of those members that remained members of UnAPS have fortunately understood and respected the decision of the DDR to leave UnAPS. It is truly unfortunate that, in standing for our principles, we have also had to part with some good friends in the international scene. In particular, we regret resigning from an alliance boasting members such as Hattia, Akiros, Ilek-Vaad, Copiosa Scotia, Omz222, Taiwan, Mintar, and other UnAPS nations that chose not to impose sanctions on us. We still hold a belief that a majority of UnAPS is not of the war party. In our view, a minority of nations has betrayed the goals and purposes of the alliance. We simply can no longer take the moral responsibility for the actions of these nations.

We chose not to fight the sovereignty of these member nations in their decision making, but instead we chose no longer to associate us with them. We understand the decision made by these nations, however, to remain in the United Alliance of Progressive States and attempt to reach the goals we share inside this alliance. In this spirit of shared goals, we are still keen on relations with the aforementioned nations. ((I may have forgotten someone)) We offer them a continuing of diplomatic and economic ties as the existed at the time of the alliance, and a gradual improvement of mutual understanding of our respective peoples through cultural exchange projects. As always, the Knootian government promotes economic development and an intertwining of relations in the interest of long-term peace and prosperity.

Regarding nations who chose to join Knootoss in leaving the Alliance
Four nations have so far left the UnAPS alliance: Barentsburg ((As I’m told will be announced later)), New Genoa, Iuthia ((Ok, more or less)) and Knootoss. We applaud the moral decision made by the governments of New Genoa, Iuthia and Barentsburg in these trying times. In the same spirit as always, we would like to continue to work together to promote peace and stability with the nations who have proven to be friends in external and internal struggle. The Knootian government would like to invite these nations for trilateral talks on how our ties can become even closer in all imaginable aspects.



Statement regarding Taraskovyan support.

The Knootian government and its people appreciate the support expressed by the Grand Duchy in this matter. We must, unfortunately, share your conclusions about the function of UnAPS at present time. The recent use of nuclear weapons by Phyrric only serves to underline this.

Again, we are glad for the support offered by Leib-Count Kenthadith Shekas, but for now it looks like retaliation against Knootian diplomatic staff has been called off. With special efforts, we are attempting to evacuate within the set time in the hope that further diplomatic aggravation can be avoided.
~Minister van Mierlo


[code:1:fb1965b807]
**Security Dispatch, CLASSIFIED SATCOM 8382 – Scrambler pattern Delta-32

TO: Foreign Ministry, Chimaea

FROM: Foreign Ministry, Knootoss

RE: RE: Safety of DDR Citizens and Embassy Staff

Your offer of help is appreciated. We will be extracting citizens ourselves with a full-scale effort but help is appreciated to extract all civilians in time. You will, of course, be compensated for all the costs incurred.

We share the resolve for a peaceful solution and expect to be able to pursue this. The DDR takes the safety of its citizens very seriously.

We hope to be able to repay you fully for your friendship some day.[/code:1:fb1965b807]

((As per above post, I am assuming this already happened.))

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Silly Messages department
Foreign Ministry
The Hague
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At the words of the Austar Union on Knootians being “trigger happy”, the civil servant in charge of ‘strange and confusing messages’ just frowned and threw the printout in the bin. “What in Eru’s name are they talking about?”, he wondered. “Well, its my job to read this stuff”, he told himself.

He then turned to the message from The Angry Junkies. A nation he had had to process strange and confusing messages from before.

Knootoss is in Trouble, UnAPS is to be feared and UnAPS will not be denied.
TAJ is interested in long lasting relationships with such peoples, and will welcome commerce.

The Angry Junkies, serving democracy right since we thought of it yesterday


“Riiiight”

The threw it in the bin also, pleasantly pondering how easy his job really was.

He then turned to something more pleant… a cup of coffee and a newspaper. He skipped the first pages of De Telegraaf describing the recent nuking in all its gory details, he had seen too much of that stuff already in his life. His eye caught a printout of Mr. Mordens statement and chuckled heartily. “Now… that man speaks truth! Yeah… I really should get an Angstian paper some time. If only I understood the language. Heck, we should get this guy over here as an advisor!”

OOC: Douijn.
Yes, you are right. 11 to 6 votes is barely a majority. [/sarcasm]
Syskeyia
14-04-2004, 15:22
OOC: So it looks like UnAPS is not going to put an embargo on Syskeyia, is it? :D

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia
Knootoss
14-04-2004, 15:25
OOC: So it looks like UnAPS is not going to put an embargo on Syskeyia, is it? :D

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

OOC: Nope, well, I presume not. Good for you. :wink:
Well, it doesn't overly hurt us. It is not as if you are cracking and about to give in on your little boycott. *ponders terrorist attacks*
Scandavian States
14-04-2004, 15:37
[If I were to acknowledge what Phyrric did, which I won't given the reason that he did it, I would agree with you on the embargo. I assure you we as an alliance weren't consulted on this and are quite pissed, he'll be losing his membership over it, whether it's acknowledged or no.

Syskeyia: No, why would we?]
Knootoss
14-04-2004, 15:41
((Can we keep this In Character please. This attack was not a godmod and as such recognised. Discussion about it --> telegrams. But I don't think that will be neccecery. If you want to make clear that the alliance wasn't consulted about it and all: do it IC.. ))
Phyrric
14-04-2004, 16:06
OOC: So it looks like UnAPS is not going to put an embargo on Syskeyia, is it? :D

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

OOC: Phyrric has not placed a trade embargo or bad relations with any Nation that UnAPS had boycotted. To ban business is bad business. There are only 3 nations that Phyrric ignores and does not even recognize and they know who they are.
Vrak
14-04-2004, 16:32
++++
Intel scan - cycle 109192
Type - press release: Knootian foreign affairs
summary: reasons for withdrawal from UnAPS
item - Phyrric use of nuclear weapons
command - monitor. Await threat classification of Phyrric.
Priority - medium
Full report - one hour
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The Island States
14-04-2004, 17:57
The Island States will not pursue other sanctions or impose any on any other country for this incident. We are asking that Knootoss citizens leave because our streets are beginning to fill with angry crowds, many of which were not pleased with Knootoss revealing sensitive information at a very inappropriate moment in order to create chaos within the Alliance.
Iuthia
14-04-2004, 18:12
Clarification - Iuthia has frozen it's membership of UnAPS, not actually left as such... mostly because we still recognise most of our allies as nations we would like to have relations with.

However the issue remains that we would prefer to have private discussions as to both our own future and the future of the alliance.

Our reasons are purely due to offencively manner our allies are being treated; however we assure you that Iuthia isn't going to release any intel without prior permission.

Some may question our indecisiveness about such... but frankly we don't give a damn. Clearly there will be no return if the majority of UnAPS feels we have done something terrible like being publically offended at their actions to a previous ally; who hasn't actually given anything too vital... lets face it, who care's yet happens to Allanea seeing as they government declared war on us first and then invaded without provokation.

The real damage has been done by the hostile actions against our ex-member... no one cares about Allanea. However the action against Knootoss will offend many and speak more then Knootoss could have revealed.
Scandavian States
14-04-2004, 18:37
Iuthia is free to choose its own course and will not be punished by any UnAPS member for doing so. However, we must clear up this misconception about our reaction being merely because Knootoss left. This is not so, in fact we are glad that Knootoss left of their own free will. The sanctions happened because of the manner in which the nation of Knootoss chose to leave, they went out without grace and dignity and made what was effectively an internal squable a matter for international review, as well as laying out time-sensitive information and misrepresenting the case of those who didn't agree with them. The cancelling of visas and the expulsion of his diplomat was the result of a far more grave faux pas, Knootoss has in escense, if not in actual word, said they no longer wish peaceful relations with the Imperial governments of UnAPS. We can only include ourselves in that short list and once we did we saw no reason to have further positive relations with the Dutch Democratic Republic.
The Island States
15-04-2004, 05:01
The Island States is cancelling it's earlier sanctions. All Knootoss citizens still in The Island States may remain, and we will resume trade. Relations will return to basic status, BUT the Knootoss embassy will remain closed and it's ambassador only allowed in when Knootoss wishes to address our government.

We apologise to the people of Knootoss for our actions and we regret having to practically deport them. However, we will not apologise to the government for their actions and jeopardizing our war efforts.

That is all.
Scandavian States
15-04-2004, 05:16
We are currently considering replacing a complete embargo with extremely high tarrifs on all Knootian goods. Any remaining Knootian citizens will still be asked to leave, but the expenses of their chosen mode of travel will be covered by the Imperial government. We cannot fathom any reason to reopen either embassy any time soon, if the Knootian government has need of our ear, they may go through an acceptable mediary such as Menelmacar, who is both an ally of Knootoss and is an empire.
Akiros
15-04-2004, 07:06
Akiros is lowering tariff rates for all Knootian import products bound for the City-States Dominion. This move was approved by Trade and Industry Council as a reaction to the high tariff rates of SS.

"Let's keep the Haven economy strong" comment by the TIC secretary.
Knootoss
18-04-2004, 12:01
The Knootian government welcomes an end to some of the sanctions imposed unilaterally by the Scandavian Empire and the Island States. However at this time we feel we should still pursue our economic programme to ensure a fair compensation for businesses who lose profit as a result of these unilateral sanctions.

Furthermore we’d like to announce that the (already minimal) temporary tariffs towards Akiros have been lowered in several sectors including a revoking of the Temporary Protection of Financial Services Act for Akiros. We greatly value free competition and believe this will stimulate ties between Akiros and the DDR, and eventually benefit the Haven region.

~Ministry of Economic Affairs Press release

((IF economic policies stay the same at this point, there will be a significant shift of trade away from SS and TIS towards other states. Trade with Haven as a whole will decrease somewhat, but nations who have not imposed sanctions would actually be benefiting of this move in terms of increased trade. Several billions of private investment that I am assuming in both SS and TIS will be withdrawn with the aforementioned subsidy programme. This will probably hurt their respective economies somewhat.

Note also that there has been no request to reopen embassies in those nations by the Foreign Ministry. Internally, SS has been reclassified as a 'diplomatically unstable state')))