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I'm quite frankly off my rocker because of all the storefronts nowadays selling Boeing aircraft. Why? I bought Boeing. Yup. Before Foe Hammer was deleted for inactivity, Foe Hammer bought Boeing for a couple trillion dollars. Therefore, all Boeing copyrights are now under the name of Foe Hammer Weapons.

I'll try to remain calm and keep my composure during this little warning.Right...

So, what to do... what to do...

Ahh. I've got it.

Any and all nations and corporations selling Boeing aircraft MUST drop the product lines within the next 24 hours, or face copyright infringment charges and/or a fine in the trillions of dollars, the exact amount depending on willingness to cooperate, the amount of copyrighted items produced by that nation, and even the quality of said items. Why? 'Cause I can.

And if that doesn't send the jitters down your spines, you might even be visited by a fewmillionElite combat soldiers.

So, let's run through that one more time, shall we? M'kay.


Cease ALL production of Boeing products
Pay a huge-ass fine for copyright infringments
-OR-
Get the snot kicked out of you.


Seems like an easy decision.

OOC: I have personally gotten sick and tired of lets buy real NS companies. And f*** it was decided that any nation over 500 milion could build their own RL weapons platforms several months ago.

So, it's okay for me to steal someone else's designs? You wouldn't mind if I started building your spaceships, and selling them at nearly half the actual cost, therefore diverting business from you?

kills double post...

OOC: :lol: Steal all of Alcona's spaceship designs....He only has Titian VII resusable rockets!

I would agree with you if they started stealing your designs. But my understanding is that these are just pics and stats off the internet that everyone has equal access to. You have not used any intelletual capacity to actually conceive of anything. (If you have, then using the name Boeing is really just ridiculus) Not even attempt to generate some godmod design aircraft.

Actually, none of you should be attempting to make money off RL designs or sell production rights for RL equipment. You strutting around and making a fuss is somewhat pathetic.

The same goes for NBC and MSNBC. Before Nanakaland was deleted for inactivity, we bought up the NBC network. We even own the two puppet nations NBC and MSNBC. If anyone uses an NBC or MSNBC report without my permission, I will either invade them or sue them.

[OOC: I just realized how similar our situations are, Foe Hammer.]

OOC: :lol: Steal all of Alcona's spaceship designs....He only has Titian VII resusable rockets!

I would agree with you if they started stealing your designs. But these are just pics and stats off the internet that everyone has equal access to. You have not used any intelletual capacity to actually conceive of anything. (If you have, then using the name Boeing is really just ridiculus) Even attempt to generate some godmod design aircraft. Your just attempting to gain revenue by bulling Noobs and newbs who don't know better. Hell even TROUSRS stopped this behavior.

Fires I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon....I have no care to waste my time with arrogent bullies....

And I have no time to waste with those who can't even spell arrogant.

I'm not bullying anyone. I bought Boeing, fair and square, for TRILLIONS of dollars. Now all these n00bs come in and start selling the equipment that I bought the copyrights to, and they sell it at half the price, pulling all the business away from MY store, and my legitimate Weapons manufacturer, which is the only corporation Foe Hammer has!

How would you feel if you owned a car company, and some arrogant jackass came in, took your designs and sold your product at half the price? Anyone in their right mind would be pissed, and they would have a right to, because those designs are THEIR property.

And about your "equal access" statement... so, any Joe Schmo with enough money can grab the designs for a jet off of Google, build it, and it's suddenly alright? Doesn't seem fair, does it?

The same goes for NBC and MSNBC. Before Nanakaland was deleted for inactivity, we bought up the NBC network. We even own the two puppet nations NBC and MSNBC. If anyone uses an NBC or MSNBC report without my permission, I will either invade them or sue them.

[OOC: I just realized how similar our situations are, Foe Hammer.]

OOC: Aye. In fact, I have a wonderful idea.

Why don't we create something like Interpol, except have it deal with copyrights, and copyright infringment?

Well now I'm waiting for some obscure nation to try and kick my @$$ because they think they had some prior claim to the Andromeda tech and ship designs I use.

Really, claiming RL aircraft and designs as your own and saying only you can build them is ridiculous. If you designed it yourself, yes, scammed it off the net, or some RL corporation, no.

Even though I use space tech, I think I might build an F-22 at this point just to annoy you. :twisted:

Well now I'm waiting for some obscure nation to try and kick my @$$ because they think they had some prior claim to the Andromeda tech and ship designs I use.

Really, claiming RL aircraft and designs as your own and saying only you can build them is ridiculous. If you designed it yourself, yes, scammed it off the net, or some RL corporation, no.

Even though I use space tech, I think I might build an F-22 at this point just to annoy you. :twisted:

You do, you die. :evil:

OOC: I would suggest you learn more about what constitutes copyright infringement, first. 8)

The same goes for NBC and MSNBC. Before Nanakaland was deleted for inactivity, we bought up the NBC network. We even own the two puppet nations NBC and MSNBC. If anyone uses an NBC or MSNBC report without my permission, I will either invade them or sue them.

[OOC: I just realized how similar our situations are, Foe Hammer.]

OOC: Aye. In fact, I have a wonderful idea.

Why don't we create something like Interpol, except have it deal with copyrights, and copyright infringment?

[OOC: Nice idea.]

Oddly enough, before Foe Hammer's creation, I BOUGHT THE RIGHTS TO FOE HAMMER!

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!!


RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

:roll:

So, it's okay for me to steal someone else's designs? You wouldn't mind if I started building your spaceships, and selling them at nearly half the actual cost, therefore diverting business from you?Except the problem with your arguement is that you're using a company that actually exists and is known the world over.
To claim that you have sole use of the Boeing name and designs, in a game with 10's of thousands of players is just foolish.

In summary, some of my corporations (meaning the one's that were already doing so) will continue to buy products from companies like BoeingMars, through various allies.

So, it's okay for me to steal someone else's designs? You wouldn't mind if I started building your spaceships, and selling them at nearly half the actual cost, therefore diverting business from you?
Boeings' products are Real-life designed weapons, not custom-designed ones.

I wonder if you could get sued for claiming to own Boeing. :P I furthermore wonder why you think you can claim an entire global corporation. Why don't you just make your own little corporation, use Boeing models, modify them, and say "booyah, all yall bitches! they mine now!"

I'd rather do that, but that's just me. :wink:

Wow...this is one of the dumber arguments posted here...I mean Christ, your gonna flip over somethign has stupid as people selling RL stuff that you CLAIM to own is just BS. Calm down.

Foe Hammer, we shall give you a fair and honest warning. We like boeing Military Designs, especially the F-22, and we will build them, we will not sell them, but build them, when we have gotten ourselves back up from our recent situation.

You cannot attack us, for we are in the Nova Kretani System. If you dare insult our right to build such weapons, AS WE DID ONCE BEFORE, you will be claimed as a Nation to be Watched, and our ICBM Satellite will watch every move of your nation, not attacking, just spying.

DO NOT insult the Komodren, nor Birthright Humans, nor anyone from Acient Rudavia. We are willing be allies, but shall not stand idely by when threatened falsely.

Foe Hammer, we shall give you a fair and honest warning. We like boeing Military Designs, especially the F-22, and we will build them, we will not sell them, but build them, when we have gotten ourselves back up from our recent situation.

You cannot attack us, for we are in the Nova Kretani System. If you dare insult our right to build such weapons, AS WE DID ONCE BEFORE, you will be claimed as a Nation to be Watched, and our ICBM Satellite will watch every move of your nation, not attacking, just spying.

DO NOT insult the Komodren, nor Birthright Humans, nor anyone from Acient Rudavia. We are willing be allies, but shall not stand idely by when threatened falsely.

I don't LIVE on Earth, smart-ass. I live in my OWN system. And guess what? I can decimate your nation ANY TIME I WISH.

Jesus-F*cking-Christ. Don't assume hostile responses to EVERYTHING. All you have to do is ask, "Can we produce, but not sell, Boeing aircraft?" and I will say yes. God damn.

Wow, FutureEngland caused all this? 'Lil guy must be proud.

No, it wasn't just FutureEngland. It was every single n00b who sold F-14's, F/A-18s, S-3B's, EA-6B's, etc, WITHOUT asking me for production rights, et cetera.

This thread was simply to make it known that I DO own Boeing, and I'm willing to kick some ass to make a profit.

But, yes, FutureEngland really lit the fuse.

What a silly thread. Grow up.

What a silly thread. Grow up.

Butt out. I payed $4.2 Trillion for Boeing, and I WILL get SOME profit out of it. I'm tired of working my ass off to get people to at least LOOK at my storefront, then some n00b starts selling MY items at half price.

Personally, I don't think that storefronts should sell RL tech, there are way too many storefronts selling the exact same stuff, it very boring, and makes it hard to find original storefronts. Therefore I am very tempted to agree that Foe Hammer should have all rights to Boeing designs, as it might cut down on the amount of pointless storefronts and get some more people to make their own companies and designs.

Foe Hammer, please calm down, we mean no harm. Besides, if we did, we would of already died a fair Role Playing death by your hands, is that not correct?

Shall I say, indeed, we had YF-22 before we knew it was in your rights. So, intern, we have no cause for alarm, or stress, or anything hostile with you. For all are Comrade Brethren, we ask forgivness for our mistake, yes, but ask that you, Comrade Brethren Foe Hammer, accept the possibility that we knew not of your production rights, thus building our own so long ago, which we might never do again.

Thank you.

Personally, I don't think that storefronts should sell RL tech, there are way too many storefronts selling the exact same stuff, it very boring, and makes it hard to find original storefronts. Therefore I am very tempted to agree that Foe Hammer should have all rights to Boeing designs, as it might cut down on the amount of pointless storefronts and get some more people to make their own companies and designs.

I sell custom stuff in my modern storefronts.

I never opened a Store-Front for these reasons, and many more. :x

Lesse, this is free-form RP.

Has it occured to you that no one has to honor your claims?

Of course not. And even if he goes hunting, he'll never find all the people selling Boeing products. I make my own ship specifications, but I take pictures from TV shows. Naturally I'll share my spaceframes with other nations due to the fact that they are popular designs. I only get mad when somebody rips off the whole ship.

Personally, I don't think that storefronts should sell RL tech, there are way too many storefronts selling the exact same stuff, it very boring, and makes it hard to find original storefronts. Therefore I am very tempted to agree that Foe Hammer should have all rights to Boeing designs, as it might cut down on the amount of pointless storefronts and get some more people to make their own companies and designs.

I sell custom stuff in my modern storefronts.

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the massive number of generic storefronts out there. :wink:

Foe Hammer, for starters, making just about any 'absoloute' claim over anything you didn't create yourself, and expecting others to respect it, is stupid; most of the people here probally haven't even heard of you, much less spotted that one obscure little thread back befor most of them even existed.

Aside from the logistical aspect mentioned above, it's also stupid and arrogant, leading to the kind of 'land grab' scenarios where people are making rediculous claims in a rush to get what they can befor someone else does; I've seen it happen several times.


Secondly, to address the whole 'copyrights' issue, I hope you all realise that, legally, there is nothing stoping another country's government or companies from making and selling something you've copyrighted, unless they're requiored to by some treaty or other binding agreement that they actually signed? Yup! You see, international law is arrived at by mutual agreement(well, that, and force of arms).

If you want to protect your coyprights, start the International Coyprights Protection Orginization or something, but be aware that only those who sign up will be bound by it's rules.


So, in conclusion, if you continue this I'm going to open a storefront selling boeing aircraft at less than cost just to piss you off, because I can, it's stupid, and I'm a big fish that you can't push me around as easily as the newbs.

So, in conclusion, if you continue this I'm going to open a storefront selling boeing aircraft at less than cost just to piss you off, because I can, it's stupid, and I'm a big fish that you can't push me around as easily as the newbs.

You may be a big fish, but I've got bait and a hook, and I'm craving Fish Filets.

You may be a big fish, but I've got bait and a hook, and I'm craving Fish Filets.

Foe, knock it off; you're being anal about the whole issue.

Poor little baby..gettin all mad over the dumbest thing on the planet.

Stop being selfish, cynical, and just plain "I am Sam." If we wanted Sean Penn to run a country, we'd have begged him to come to NS a loong time ago.

I will continue to use Boeing products, without buying them from you. And I should start a storefront thread selling nothing BUT Boeing products, but I'm too lazy. :P I'll do what I like, thank you very much.

You keep talking about n00bs, but the only n00b I see is YOU. "I 0wnz Boeing!!!1 j00 d0nt!1!!11 itZ MINEZZZZ!!111"

Uh, no. :roll:

You're all a bunch of pretentious f*cknuts. It wasn't a simple claim, you overdramatic load of crap. I bought Boeing for $4.2 trillion, I publically announced it, and NO ONE had any problems with it. You had your time to bitch, piss and moan, and now, the POLLS ARE CLOSED.

Sorry that you hesitated.

And you are going to be the victim of a unreal number of IGNORE cannons, but thats your call. :roll:

And you are going to be the victim of a unreal number of IGNORE cannons, but thats your call. :roll:
Quiet down, newb. If you're truely ignoring me, STOP TALKING TO ME.

I existed before you, idiot... :evil:

I existed before you, idiot... :evil:

Oh, really? Would you like to see my Nation Page to clarify a few things?

W/e, I'm not getting involved a flame war, not enough spare time... :?

Foe, I, like most others who were around at the time, never even saw that thread; it's the nature of the boards and the sheer amount of traffic going on. Had I, I would have objected just as I, and numerous others, are doing right now; saying that our opinions are meaningless now, because we didn't object back then in some obscure thread, which I'm sure only a few hundred people, at most, ever even read, is as absurd as holding a national election, without telling anyone who doesn't happen to wander by your front lawn, and expecting everyone to respect the results.

And yes, saying you bought it, even if you anounced it, is just a 'simple claim'. Everything in freeform RP is, by it's nature, just a claim. And as such, the opinions of other RPers are always paramount; the entire system depends on people respecting each other's claims, and OOCly declaring your nation exclusivly owns any RL company in it's entirity, or, really, all of pretty much anything you didn't create yourself, is not something most people are going to respect, especially if you try and force your claims on others.

especially if you try and force your claims on others.

I can force my claims all I f*cking wish, with any force I feel necessary.

And the thread was on the front page for some time. It was a rather long thread, with only one complaint (by Sephirus, who said that the price wasn't high enough).

Hmm.. ok.. yes we use images and data of craft that actually exist, or are inventions for a nover or video game.

NationStates is FANTASY... MAKE BELIEVE.. ROLEPLAY.. not hard to understand concepts..

So.. if a Nation ROLEPLAYS his Nation's corporations, research centers or mad scientis development of some device or craft it is that, ROLEPLAY, and if you use those images and data to represent what your nation developed and copyrighted it should be respected, that does not mean the actual RL person has Copyright to some RL craft or devices.
Yes, you can skim the internet for images and data that is available to the public, nobody is denying nobody to cruise the Internet for images.

Lets say your Nation develops a chewing gum with eternal flavor and you begin marketing the product to the rest, would you like some other Nation to say they invented it and start selling it without giving you credit or asking for permission??

REAL LIFE Copyrights and IMAGINARY Copyrights are two very different things..

People.. lets not forget one thing: NationStates is a Fantasy, Sci-Fi or whatever universe, and i think that bringing RL issues over to an imaginary world is rather pointless. We are here to have fun.

My two cents.

especially if you try and force your claims on others.

I can force my claims all I f*cking wish, with any force I feel necessary.

And the thread was on the front page for some time. It was a rather long thread, with only one complaint (by Sephirus, who said that the price wasn't high enough).

Foe Hammer,
No you can't, you can threaten ICly but if people don't want to respect that claim they can ignore you. I for one would be willing to accept that claim but you must realize you are not the only one who can claim that. I have the same feeling about RL territory threads where some nations claim to control vast areas of the globe, you cannot enforce it OOCly, only ICly and people can ignore you and the claim if they do not accept. That is how Free-Form works.

So? I never saw it, nor did most people. And if no one objected, it was probally befor the first few 'land/space/corperate/etc grabs'.

And I'm talking about trying to force your claims on others OOCly; you are familiar with the concept of IC/OOC seperation, right? Aside from that is the fact that you're a future-tech nation wanting to inforce claim over an RL, modern-tech company; I suspect you'd probally get ignore-cannoned by most modern-tech nations you threatened, for both the absurd claim and the tech defference.

But really, this is like claims to the U.S., parts of Europe, or anything else; no one makes a claim to RL property and realisticly expects that noone else will RP a nation on the same piece of land. It's simply impossible to coordinate claims.

Sure, you can claim to own a company named Boeing, just as someone can have a country encompasing, say, Russia; you have to realise, however, that other people will make similar claims. You can either have a hissy fit about people not respecting your claims, or shrug and decide that they're living in 'the other russia' or own 'the other Boeing', etc. Hell, if people did OOCly respect the kind of claims you're making, the planet would have been bought up in it's entirity within a few months of the game starting.

So? I never saw it, nor did most people. And if no one objected, it was probally befor the first few 'land/space/corperate/etc grabs'.

And I'm talking about trying to force your claims on others OOCly; you are familiar with the concept of IC/OOC seperation, right? Aside from that is the fact that you're a future-tech nation wanting to inforce claim over an RL, modern-tech company; I suspect you'd probally get ignore-cannoned by most modern-tech nations you threatened, for both the absurd claim and the tech defference.

But really, this is like claims to the U.S., parts of Europe, or anything else; no one makes a claim to RL property and realisticly expects that noone else will RP a nation on the same piece of land. It's simply impossible to coordinate claims.

Sure, you can claim to own a company named Boeing, just as someone can have a country encompasing, say, Russia; you have to realise, however, that other people will make similar claims. You can either have a hissy fit about people not respecting your claims, or shrug and decide that they're living in 'the other russia' or own 'the other Boeing', etc. Hell, if people did OOCly respect the kind of claims you're making, the planet would have been bought up in it's entirity within a few months of the game starting.

Simple point of fact:

F/A-22 is primarily built by Lockheed Martin, not Boeing, as is the S-3. Northrup Grumman built the F-14 and builds the E-2. Thus, whomever claims to have bought Lockheed-Martin or Northrup Grumman can sue you and whomever else for lost revenue from unlicensed production and sales.