NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC - I hope this can become a starting point for the numerous bids to host the thirteenth World Cup, since right now, I'm quite lost in tracking down all the bids.

IC-
Hey, it's me again, Brazillico's delegate to the World Cup Committee, Steve Ribeiro. As you can see, I'm not in Brazillico right now and I'm coming to you from my private island. I'm quite torn as to which bids are the best and how they are different from each other, so I would really appreciate it if all involved could briefly outline their bids here. Remember:

-It can only be in one page
-Keep it concise
-No pictures please
-Explain why your bid is better than the others
-Explain how this bid will be different and hopefully improve upon past cups.
-If you have a different thread with additional information, please include a link to it.

Thanking you in advance,
Steve Ribeiro
Emperor of Steve's Island
Brazillican Representative to the World Cup Committee

LE/TBF (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123206&highlight=)
Why should we host:
Lemme put my case forward. ME and TBF have both been trying since what, WC6? WC7? And we've never made it. The closest either o us ever got was TBF/Errinundera in WC8 and TBF/Rejis in WC11. All we want is to have a go at hosting. Imagine then no more pestering from TBF or LE!

Differences from past cups: ALL scores will be telegrammed. RPing will be advised, but wewill keep RP bonus to a minimum to prevent people like Spaam from doing what he's doing now.

So please consider our bid!

I would just like to be IN the World Cup, but I do have some sugestions as to what the host could do.

-Somehow send the results of the games to the nations involved

-Maybe make a website dedicated to the NationStates World Cup

-Allow each nation to have a team nickname

Lynnwoode:
WC13 registration is somewhere on the boards. Do a topic search on me and you shoul find it.

1. Scores are going to be telegrammed to all nations if LE/TBF wins the bid
2. There was one, but it was taken down
3. Some teams do have adopted nicknames already.

Information on the Street and Island bid for World Cup 13

Since world cup 3, scores were generated by spreadsheets. Unfortunately, the size and the complexity of the world cup has increased, which poses the question if spreadsheets are still the best method to create scores and tables. We have decided that it is time for the perhaps biggest change since TnUI introduced spreadsheets. We use a program which automatically creates the scores and tables. That has several advantages:
Our tables are always right and will come out with the scores without delay (if you spot an error in the table, you'll get three points ;) )
Our scores aren't 'optimised' (as in 'result fixing'). It would be an awful amount of work to do it since we would need to change the cryptic input file.
Our formula can be easily adjusted in case of improbable results


Details on our bid:
Qualification is done by 10 groups of 10. The top three go through (no playoffs).
The formula we are using is an improved WC7 fomula, which not just takes into account rank and RP-bonus but also the average number of goals against and goals for of both teams. The RP bonus will be merely simple and in three categories: :eek:, normal and long. This criteria are based only on length and won't judge quality. Some people might not like this, but we see this as the only way to keep bias out of the bonus. We will not publish information about the criteria for the certain categories to avoid abusing the RP bonus (aka 'spaaming' ;) )
The opening ceremony will be in Cockbill Street, the final in Rejistania.

Stadia in Cockbill Street and Rejistania (http://www.geocities.com/versionizer/stadia.html)


Other reason to vote for the perhaps best (and at least 4th best) bid:
We plan to TG every participating nation the URL of the scores and the RP-thread, so they are able to find it. Hopefully, we will attract new RPers by this.
We are both established RPers
We have proved to be able to host a cup more than once (CS has hosted FHWC8 and HBWC1 and 2, Rejis FHWC4 and co-hosted HBWC3).
We live in the same timezone and because of this can cooperate better
We are frequent IRC users, you can find us in #wcc and #sport at irc.Esper.net if you want to get in contact with us

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i like both bids.

yes, that includes the TBFLE one

The Snub Nose 38 and Runaway Moose bid to co-host World Cup 13 is withdrawn without prejudice.

Please understand that we had been seriously considering this before yesterday's little tiff. And that's all we consider it to be. I am confident that I over-reacted to LE's post.

RM has a new part-time job, and just found out she must be away for about a week during the WC13 timeframe. She also has to devote a big chunk of time to Grad School Application (many of you know what a pain that is)

SN38 just lost a key employee (my deputy), and will be doing two full time jobs for an indeterminate time. Also have to be away (filling in for that same deputy) for a week in the WC13 timeframe.

We're sorry to have to withdraw, but would rather be sorry about withdrawing our bid than sorry we completely screw up a WC after accepting responsibility to run it (include an "if" in there somewhere).

No hard feelings. See the beginning of my response to LE yesterday. I was in a very bad mood, and probably should have wanted before I replied.

We're still in, just not as potential hosts.

Bedistan/Commerce Heights - World Cup 13 Hosting Bid

Qualifying
There will be 92 total teams (including hosts). Qualifying will consist of 15 groups of 6, just like in World Cups 7 and 8, with the top two teams in each group proceeding to the group stage. Results will be posted to the forums.

Finals
Both the group stage and second round will take place in eight stadia, four in Commerce Heights and four in Bedistan. Both nations will continue to host matches up through the semifinals. Both the third-place and championship matches will take place at Unity Stadium in the International City, which lies at the corner of Bedistan, Commerce Heights, and Lontorica. All finals matches, including those in the group stage, will be telegrammed first and then posted to the forums 24 hours later.

Rankings and RP Bonuses
Just as in World Cup 12, the KPB ranking system will be used by Bedistan and CH. Regarding RP bonuses, we currently advocate a formula-based RP bonus that includes a fixed fraction of a point for each RP and a bonus for total character count (subject to exceptions, for example, "Swaziland defeated Indonesia 3-1" isn't an RP, and Spaam's 'blah' paragraph wouldn't count towards the character count).

Stadia
Bedistani Stadia (http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/harleyt_1387/wc13/wc13_stadia.html)

Right, TBF, sorry if this ruins the bid...., and apologies to anyone it may offend.

MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THE OTHER BIDS
1. Rejistania and Cockbill Street - You could see that I was unhappy that Warnocks got the vote as host of WC11. You see, I DON'T APPRECIATE NEWBIES (or younger 'veterans') trying to host a cup. I feel they must get more ... 'involved' in the cup first. NOTE that I am not trying to make anyone look bad, it is just my personal opinion.

2. Snub Nose 38 and Runaway Moose - Just a single point here, who's going to do the other's scores? Cos as a father-daughter team it is hard to tell if you guys will cheat (NO OFFENCE, REMEMBER JUST OPINION)
Also the point that there isnt enough spreadsheet knoledge here.

3. Bedistan and Commerce Heights - I AM going to voice my displeasure that nowadays it seems to be a "must" for WCC members to re-host a cup. And CH has almost no experience (bar FHWC9, where he almost forgot to do the FINAL)....

AND MY OPINION ON MY OWN BID WITH TBF
Good: Experience, veterans
Bad: Tried to host every cup [voting for us would put us off your heels, remember], TBF's slightly unpopular, especially with Spaam...
Additional Notes: I will skip bidding for hosting for WC14 if I lose this bid, and will most likely boycott a Rejis-CS or Bedi-CH cup.

Excuse me, but is there still time to sign up for the World Cup?

Liverpool England: the most important thing is despite all this discussion to havce fun and I think you won't have fun when boycotting! I can only urge you and all other participant not to take it all too serious. Yes, we are no 'vets' but IMNSCO we are able to host in spite of this and other than WW, we'll have a good chance to have qualified.

Jagiellonia: Yes it is, the thread is here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121740&highlight=

~No official opinion of the CS/Rejis bid ~

Thank you, Rejistania.

If there is any dispute, I will be happy to do the results for SN38 and RM.

Additional Notes: I will skip bidding for hosting for WC14 if I lose this bid, and will most likely boycott a Rejis-CS or Bedi-CH cup.

Feel free. We have no use for people who will just bitch and complain the whole way through.

On another note, I don't recall you complaining about the current Lem-KP bid. Gotta love that hypocrisy. :roll:

If there is any dispute, I will be happy to do the results for SN38 and RM.

I'm pretty sure Snub could learn how to use the KPB/KPR system. RM seems rather inactive tho, so that could be the bids downfall. LE wouldn't dare boycott a WC, it would hurt his ranking too much. I also consider Rejis to be a vet.

LE: You caught an old man on a bad day. You've had your say. Here's mine.
MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THE OTHER BIDSThe amount of creedence attached to an opinion is indirectly proportional to the personal involvement of whoever is voicing the opinion.

1. Rejistania and Cockbill Street - You could see that I was unhappy that Warnocks got the vote as host of WC11. You see, I DON'T APPRECIATE NEWBIES (or younger 'veterans') trying to host a cup. I feel they must get more ... 'involved' in the cup first. NOTE that I am not trying to make anyone look bad, it is just my personal opinion.One could make the point that a new participant (or younger 'veterans') are trying to get more involved by asking to host. By the way, how many categories of participants are there? Newbies, Recently Newbie, Young Veteran, Veteran, Ancient Old Fool?

2. Snub Nose 38 and Runaway Moose - Just a single point here, who's going to do the other's scores? Cos as a father-daughter team it is hard to tell if you guys will cheat (NO OFFENCE, REMEMBER JUST OPINION)No offense, but How dare you!? I don't even see the point of cheating at a game. One wins, or one loses. If you cheat, you've already lost.

Also the point that there isnt enough spreadsheet knoledge here.I'm 52 years old. I was running spreadsheets on computers when they were a brand new thing, and you were in the process of being diapered. I learned to program (flow charts and the whole nine yards) in 1969. We can handle a spreadsheet that generates random numbers. Don't let my self-deprication fool you. Both RM and I are fully capable, and have Genius level IQs.

3. Bedistan and Commerce Heights - I AM going to voice my displeasure that nowadays it seems to be a "must" for WCC members to re-host a cup. And CH has almost no experience (bar FHWC9, where he almost forgot to do the FINAL)....So, it's not a good idea to put an experienced host with a "new" host?

AND MY OPINION ON MY OWN BID WITH TBFSee above re: the value of an opinion

Good: Experience, veterans
Bad: Tried to host every cup [voting for us would put us off your heels, remember], TBF's slightly unpopular, especially with Spaam...all true.

Additional Notes: I will skip bidding for hosting for WC14 if I lose this bid, and will most likely boycott a Rejis-CS or Bedi-CH cup.There's an old saying that has something to do with one's nose, and one's face, and biting. Wonder what it is?

Final Comment. Not so damn sure I have any interest in hosting anymore. I'm gonna think about it, and talk with RM, and we will post something within the next 24 hours either confirming our bid, or withdrawing it.

in short:

Congratulations Rejistania/Cockbill Street!

seriously tho, what the hell is up your ass LE? Rejistania and Cockbill Street have as many world cups behind them as Lemmy and i had for our WC7 bid so i dont see how thats a problem.

Also, whats this bullshit about having to have 'experience' by running a hockey/basketball/whatever world cup? Those events dont prove shit because they dont mean shit, in my view its just a means to get this pseudo-important 'hosting experience' so you can annoy people into letting you host the world cup.

Also, what’s this bullshit about having to have 'experience' by running a hockey/basketball/whatever world cup? Those events dont prove shit because they don’t mean shit, in my view its just a means to get this pseudo-important 'hosting experience' so you can annoy people into letting you host the world cup.

I can see where you’re coming from, I have heard the same comment on IRC. But the reason why we host the other cups is for fun (Yes, we feel that feeling like you do! :o ). The experience you often here us referring to is the proof that we can run a sound cup. If we can run 1 cup efficiently, it is a fair bet (though not certain in anyway) that we can efficiently execute a World Cup in a correct manner.

At this time The Belmore Family and Liverpool England would urge Snub Nose 38 to continue their bid as any host would feel rotten if they won, just because another bid pulled out (Don't you think Bedi/Ogle?).

Happy Antagonization Day, everybody! :D

At this time The Belmore Family and Liverpool England would urge Snub Nose 38 to continue their bid as any host would feel rotten if they won, just because another bid pulled out (Don't you think Bedi/Ogle?).

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic in your parenthetical comment or not, so I don't know what tone to use for this post...

Actually, I did feel bad when Errinundera pulled out of the bid to host WC8. As I recall, that one was a very close race, but TnUI prematurely put Ogle and I up as the hosts in the signup thread, which I noticed (believing it to be official) and pointed out. When it was discovered that TnUI was actually only showing who was ahead in the vote at that moment, Errinundera dropped out, citing that TnUI was basically playing around with us and felt that if he had won it would have been something of a stolen victory (not exact words of course, but that's the general idea). For the record, I believe Ogle and I did end up winning by like one vote anyway.

I am hereby IGNOREing any additional comments from TBF and LE in this thread, since they're obviously only here to turn us all against each other, and I refuse to play into that plan. I also strongly feel that SN38 and RM should continue in their hosting bid, as I seriously believe they would do a good job. At the same time, though, I shall continue in my bid.

Thank you, and good afternoon/evening/night/morning, depending on where you are.

Happy Antagonization Day, everybody! :D

At this time The Belmore Family and Liverpool England would urge Snub Nose 38 to continue their bid as any host would feel rotten if they won, just because another bid pulled out (Don't you think Bedi/Ogle?).

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic in your parenthetical comment or not, so I don't know what tone to use for this post...

Heh, I was joking, don't worry. TBH, TBF/LE has not a chance hense the motto "The F---wits that never host!", so no point in taking us seriously!

And CH has almost no experience (bar FHWC9, where he almost forgot to do the FINAL)....
For the record, I did not almost forget to do the final, and I don't see where LE gets the idea that I did.

As for the experience question, I agree with AS. Just because people don't participate in 9 million billion extra competitions doesn't mean that they aren't good enough to host the WC. Similarly, just because someone hasn't been in 7 or so WCs doesn't mean that they can't host the WC.

Also, I find it very hard to trust someone with a Cup who would boycott if certain other hosts were selected. I may not like LE or, to a lesser extent, TBF, but they certainly would not stop me from participating if they are selected as the hosts of World Cup 13.

Right, TBF, sorry if this ruins the bid...., and apologies to anyone it may offend.

This is not acceptable behavior.

MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THE OTHER BIDS
1. Rejistania and Cockbill Street - You could see that I was unhappy that Warnocks got the vote as host of WC11. You see, I DON'T APPRECIATE NEWBIES (or younger 'veterans') trying to host a cup.

Yeah. They should know their place, right?

Bah. Grow up. Both these teams have been around and active as roleplayers for several Cups. In fact, I'm willing to wager that they've been more active than you. I know they've been more active than me. They've got every right to place a bid.

I've noticed a growing strain of elitism in the World Cup. I used to consider it troubling. But this is just sickening.


2. Snub Nose 38 and Runaway Moose - Just a single point here, who's going to do the other's scores? Cos as a father-daughter team it is hard to tell if you guys will cheat (NO OFFENCE, REMEMBER JUST OPINION)


So when did you stop beating your wife? No offense, it's just a question.

Elitist and unsportsmanlike. I believe you've set a new low.

I can't imagine what you were thinking when you posted that. But you've just ensured that I, at least, will never again vote for any hosting bid you place.

Can't be bothered to antagonise anybody. Wouldn't look good for the bid, either.

Wow, TBF's chances are now being dragged down by a less popular co-host. That's a new one!

In all seriousness, i think that there are a lot of fine bids out there, and it's great that the days when the Cup had to go looking for people to host it are replaced with the problem of picking one of a lot of great prospects. Every bid is good and there is absolutely no need to build up your own by tearing down someone else's.

Chill Guys!

This was not meant to be an ultra serious comment. There's no point saying "Oooh, what a bad idea of Liverpool England to write that." WE ARE NOT GOING TO WIN! We know that, you know that so can't we just have fun (and a good old grumble from time to time)? Don't say, "Oh dear, my vote's not going to go to Liverpool England and The Belmore Family." Youur view of us is still the same you just think we're out to rob you of a good world cup, I'm fine with that, you don't HAVE to vote for me, just let me put in a bid for the fun of it and slag everyone else off.

I am looking for someone to host bid with me and if someone does here is what I would do.

*I would post the maps of the nations involved showing were the stadiums are, and post pictures of the stadiums

* i would incourage rping because it makes the competition more exciting

* I would give different rp bonuses for the quality of your rp so spamming would not get you any extra points.

* I would telegram the scores

* and I would rp a show giving a brief summary of all the matches kinda like a match of the day type thing

so please would someone experianced in calculating scores host bid with me because I am a novice, would like to learn and would like to make the world cup as good as it can and should be

I am looking for someone to host bid with me and if someone does here is what I would do.

*I would post the maps of the nations involved showing were the stadiums are, and post pictures of the stadiums

* i would incourage rping because it makes the competition more exciting

* I would give different rp bonuses for the quality of your rp so spamming would not get you any extra points.

* I would telegram the scores

* and I would rp a show giving a brief summary of all the matches kinda like a match of the day type thing

so please would someone experianced in calculating scores host bid with me because I am a novice, would like to learn and would like to make the world cup as good as it can and should be

I am looking for someone to host bid with me and if someone does here is what I would do.

*I would post the maps of the nations involved showing were the stadiums are, and post pictures of the stadiums

* i would incourage rping because it makes the competition more exciting

* I would give different rp bonuses for the quality of your rp so spamming would not get you any extra points.

* I would telegram the scores

* and I would rp a show giving a brief summary of all the matches kinda like a match of the day type thing

so please would someone experianced in calculating scores host bid with me because I am a novice, would like to learn and would like to make the world cup as good as it can and should be

The Snub Nose 38 and Runaway Moose bid to co-host World Cup 13 is withdrawn without prejudice.

Please understand that we had been seriously considering this before yesterday's little tiff. And that's all we consider it to be. I am confident that I over-reacted to LE's post.

RM has a new part-time job, and just found out she must be away for about a week during the WC13 timeframe. She also has to devote a big chunk of time to Grad School Application (many of you know what a pain that is)

SN38 just lost a key employee (my deputy), and will be doing two full time jobs for an indeterminate time. Also have to be away (filling in for that same deputy) for a week in the WC13 timeframe.

We're sorry to have to withdraw, but would rather be sorry about withdrawing our bid than sorry we completely screw up a WC after accepting responsibility to run it (include an "if" in there somewhere).

No hard feelings. See the beginning of my response to LE yesterday. I was in a very bad mood, and probably should have wanted before I replied.

We're still in, just not as potential hosts.

I'm sad to hear that Snub Nose. I hope we can see a World Cup hosted by you sometime in the near future....

Anyway, my opinion on the two remaining bids....

Rejistania and Cockbill Street:
Some new blood would be good, and I like how these two RP. They also seem to have some good hosting experience, and their ideas are very good. Plus they're using a tried and true formula. The only qualm I have is that they don't like my RPs :P and the qualifying would take too long/too many teams.

Bedistan and Commerce Heights:
These two have even better hosting experience, and some definite good RP experience as well. I like their use of the new formulas/ranking systems/RP bonuses, which I think have proven themselves admirably. My only qualm is that perhaps there are too MANY groups, and their World Cup mightn't be as exciting as R/CS.

I think it will be a very close race, and I will not be dedicating myself to either bid yet. I still would've liked to see a Snub Nose 38/Runaway Moose bid, but hopefully we'll see one soon enough.


Ahhhh.... almost forgot....
TBF, the whole putting yourself down/not jinxing yourself is not going to work. And its going to work even less with your behaviours lately. You want to know why people don't vote for you? We don't trust you. Why? Because you're arrogant beyond belief.

Very sad to see Snub Nose 38/Runaway Moose go - hope the work isn't taking too much of you, and we hope that you will consider bidding again some time in the future.

Rejistania and Cockbill Street:
Some new blood would be good, and I like how these two RP. They also seem to have some good hosting experience, and their ideas are very good. Plus they're using a tried and true formula. The only qualm I have is that they don't like my RPs :P and the qualifying would take too long/too many teams.


Heh, thanks. We were just using you as an example - personally (can't speak for Rejis here) I like most of your RPs...but some of it it's just plain obvious that you've stuck words in to get a bonus, don't you agree?

In the first RPs, it was IMNSCO a bit too obvious that you tried to enhance your RP-bonus, especially the pararaph full of 'blah'. when you RP normally, I like most of them. I'm sorry if I may have insulted you by the term 'spaaming' for extreme-RPing. (BTW: since our RP bonus isn't based on quality, it doesn't matter for it if we like them or not :wink: )

I also agree that it's sad to see SN38/RM withdraw their bid. Despite some differences between our ideas on the right formula I considered your bid a very good one and look forward to see another bid in the future.

Ok - missed this one happening, but want to put in a couple of thoughts.

All I want to say is that I think LE well overstepped the mark.
Personally I don't think any bidder should make comments on another bid(s) - at least none that would question the validity or strengths/weaknesses of anothers bid!

If you feel that there may be problems elsewhere thats your opinion, but you don't have to share - it stinks of trying to get one over on someone else. Fair enough you can point out your own +ves and -ves at least then you are showing that you know about them and will hence probably try and work them out.

Everyone sees things differently - on the SN38/RM bid (as it has been withdrawn i'll talk about it!) personnally i was quite looking forward to the possiblity of a 'war on the asteriod' starting up if results went wrong for one or the other. And from reading SN's rp's since wc5, you can tell that SN doesn't really care too much - its just a game! (you know what i mean by that yeah?) - there are some other folk i wouldn't be so sure about in that respect.

Hopefully IMO, SN38 and RM will be able to sort things in RL out and be able to devote enough time to running a cup in the near future

On the other bids - to be honest I haven't read through the proposals as yet, so i'll get back to you :wink:

Rejis/CS, I'm not insulted :) Its nice to cause some controversy :P

I agree with you that they early couple of matchdays, I was doing it for the bonus, as I didn't think it was possibly teh best idea. However, after that there was a lot of material in my group, and my ordinary RP's did become that long. Though there was a match fairly recently that I think I did rant on for too liong with.... I'll put that down to being tired :P

TBF, the whole putting yourself down/not jinxing yourself is not going to work. And its going to work even less with your behaviours lately. You want to know why people don't vote for you? We don't trust you. Why? Because you're arrogant beyond belief.

If I were to say "Comeone, were going to win, 'cos we're the best" I'd be lying. I don't want to do that, I just want to have fun ok! To be honest, this is the first time I have NOT enjoyed putting in a bid and trying hopelessly to give it a chance. And if all you're going to do is make snide comments at everything I write, why should I bother? I'm not enjoying having every other word I write destroyed for your menial pleasure. I doubt I will continue the bid now, or even continue RPing for that matter, I'll support KP for this cup, but after that it is doubtful.

TBF, the whole putting yourself down/not jinxing yourself is not going to work. And its going to work even less with your behaviours lately. You want to know why people don't vote for you? We don't trust you. Why? Because you're arrogant beyond belief.

If I were to say "Comeone, were going to win, 'cos we're the best" I'd be lying. I don't want to do that, I just want to have fun ok! To be honest, this is the first time I have NOT enjoyed putting in a bid and trying hopelessly to give it a chance. And if all you're going to do is make snide comments at everything I write, why should I bother? I'm not enjoying having every other word I write destroyed for your menial pleasure. I doubt I will continue the bid now, or even continue RPing for that matter, I'll support KP for this cup, but after that it is doubtful.
TBF: "Never Surrender! Never Give Up!"

Don't take it so hard
Don't take it so much to heart
It's all just a game
The advantage here is that in RL you have to take what get's dished out. In the confines of this game, you don't. You can pick and choose what you will accept, and change anything you've a mind to - ever so carefully
If someone really gets to you, after the initial burst of anger, use the great big IGNORE CANNON

Frankly, I will miss you if you drop out of the WCs. Stick around and have some fun.

"Never Surrender! Never Give Up!"

Well, I'm quite saddened to hear that SN38 and RM will be unable to go through with the hosting bid. However, I do appreciate the fact that since you know you won't be available the whole time that you've decided to put it off until a better day comes. You will certainly have my support in any future bid. :D

Also, I think I may've been a little harsh in my rebuttals from yesterday, and I'd like to make it clear that I don't want to see any of our regulars (TBF and LE included) leave the scene. Like everyone else has said, it's all about having fun. Kinda like me with WC11 -- sure, I didn't qualify, but I still had enough fun to come back and try it again. And I have to say, I'm still having a blast.

As the current host, I'll have my take now on each bid.

TBF/LE is now a non-contender, IMO, after the violence. Shame, as they've proven themselves in every competition short of the big one itself when it comes to hosting reliability (especially TBF).

Rejis/CS are looking good. They've also hosted other events, and have other things going for them. I don't see why their relatively recent entry into the Cup scene should count against them, besides the fact that CS (much like WW before WC11) haven't qualified yet (though CS could make WC12, probably via the playoffs) and hence could be seen as trying to sneak a free ride to the finals. But then, I can talk. I was 59th in the world for WC9, for which I made my first co-host attempt. (Of course, I made that Cup, in a group containing my co-host partners TBF and LE who also made it. :D)

CH/Beddy are also proven in hosting, and both would more than likely make the Cup anyway. I like the way they're using KPB rankings (and presumably, I guess, the KPB-based scoresheet used for WC12, though almost certainly in modified form). However, I think people see CH as an abuser of statistics, TnUI and TBF, and some may argue that compromises their impartiality.

As for SN38/RM; I wish them luck in a future bid. Though SN38, IMO, would be better off going with a stats freak and focusing on the RP bit, in much the same vein as I have with Lemmy (and I was originally planning just such a bid with him for WC13 but for getting WC12) - but the Dad thing sometimes has to be done, as he told me.

HEY HERE!!!
MY COMMENTS WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BIAS THE WCC FOR OR AGAINST MY BID WITH TBF. EVERYONE HAS THEIR PERSONAL OPINION, AS VOICED REGULARLY. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR TAKE ON THE OTHERS. IF YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THAT, I AM SORRY TO ANNOUNCE THAT......

I WILL PULL OUT FROM THE BID. SORRY TBF.

AND - I will have to make a decision on whether or not to stay in the WC on a whole. I will make that decision in 24 hours. And I will announce it.

Okay.... I'm probably staying but wont put in a bid till WC15.

Part of the reason I voted for KP & Lemmy to host WC12 was Spaams constant attacks on TBF, sure he's annoying, but he's just a kid, he'll grow out of it, hopefully. (Was that too many commas in one sentence?) LE is annoying as well, that's probably why neither has hosted, and probably why neither will in the foreseeable future. Like it or not hosting is at least practically a popularity contest, sure skill plays a part. So far every bid I've voted for has hosted. WC8 was a close one in which half of the WCC got together with me and decided on Ogle & Beddy. We only needed one more vote for them to host, so I changed the signup thread. Of course what I didn't know was the other half of the WCC had TGed Arry with Errie & TBF. I should probably of apologised for the confusion I caused, for that I am sorry, it was TBFs best chance of hosting. I wish Snub well with his WC16? Bid. This one like WC8 seems pretty close to call, while I don't get along with CH very much I don't normally let that be the deciding factor in these decisions. Rejis & CS seem equally strong, I really don’t know it seems 50/50 right now. Hmm that's more than I've written in RPs lol.

SN38, RM, I hope you'll be putting in future hosting bids.

In the meantime, since I'm not really following WC12 (I'm just keeping up to date with the hosting bids), send me your votes as usual when the final stages begin. :)

2P

How about this format?

All ex-hosts get a vote.

Bids can be put forward at anytime during the previous cups qualifying.

Voting starts on MD1 in the Group Stage and ends when the Group Stage ends.

All Votes must be TGed to Arry.

If there is a tie at the end of the First Round it goes into sudden death.

That way we find out who is hosting before the finals have finished.

Part of the reason I voted for KP & Lemmy to host WC12 was Spaams constant attacks on TBF, sure he's annoying, but he's just a kid, he'll grow out of it, hopefully.

Actually, you might notice that during the bids for WC12 I didn't attack TBF at all :P In any case, I voted for KP and Lemmy as well ;)

I'm curious on the abuse of statistics by CH.... what is that about?


In any case, I think voting should start now.

Since I am submitting a bid to host, I shall abstain from voting here. I think that's the fair thing to do.

Since I am submitting a bid to host, I shall abstain from voting here. I think that's the fair thing to do.

Well, no it isn't.... I think you should vote, but not for yourself....
Not voting only means your opponents get one less vote :P

Since I am submitting a bid to host, I shall abstain from voting here. I think that's the fair thing to do.Although that' s a nice sentiment/gesture, Beddy, I think you should vote. You earned a vote, and that isn't changed by the fact that you put in a bid.

I think WCC members should abstain from voting if they are bidding. Of course this has nothing to do with the fact that weither CS nor me are in the WCC ;) It is merely my experience with politics that makes me have this opinion. I know that a politician in my hometown got alot of trouble because he voted in a poll where in a way he would personally profit from. IMNSCO this is nearly the same situation here, Beddi is biased and should not be forced to support the other remaining bid.

~ Not an official statement of the Street and Island WC13 committee ~

As an American, where a candidate's right to vote for her/himself is considered fundamental, I don't see any reason why bidders should not vote for themselves.

But for the record, I voted Spaam/Audioslavia for wc12 host.

As an American, where a candidate's right to vote for her/himself is considered fundamental, I don't see any reason why bidders should not vote for themselves.

But for the record, I voted Spaam/Audioslavia for wc12 host.

Hehehe.... we voted for each other :D

I'm actually glad Lemmy and KP are hosting this cup.... I believe they are doing a better job than we would've. The only problem with voting for yourself, is that we would've won in that case.

But anyway, I think that hosts shouldn't vote for themselves, because you will then get an unfair representation of who should host a cup, if there are returning hosts. In an election, one vote doesn't matter much. But it matters a lot more here....

How about this format?

All ex-hosts get a vote.

Bids can be put forward at anytime during the previous cups qualifying.

Voting starts on MD1 in the Group Stage and ends when the Group Stage ends.

All Votes must be TGed to Arry.

If there is a tie at the end of the First Round it goes into sudden death.

That way we find out who is hosting before the finals have finished.

This sounds very sensible to me.

How about this format?

All ex-hosts get a vote.

Bids can be put forward at anytime during the previous cups qualifying.

Voting starts on MD1 in the Group Stage and ends when the Group Stage ends.

All Votes must be TGed to Arry.

If there is a tie at the end of the First Round it goes into sudden death.

That way we find out who is hosting before the finals have finished.

This sounds very sensible to me.Yes, it does.

I've updated my post with a link to the Bedistani stadia (http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/harleyt_1387/wc13/wc13_stadia.html) proposed for use in World Cup 13. Information on Commerce Heights stadia will come later.

:o - I'm changing my mind, again.

I've decided to put in a single bid, even if it is affected by the bad publicity which took place. This is how I'd work it -
1 TGs at every stage along the way
2 Delays of not more than 36 hours
3 Scores posted promptly on thread 24 hours after being sent out
4 Links included in TGs

5 At the current rate of signups for WC13, 96 teams (97 signed up including LE) = 24 groups of 4 (which would drastically cut qualifying time, and it would be a never-before-tested thing, to have only 4 teams in a group for qualifying), with the winners qualifying and the 24 runners up facing off in a second round of qualifying matches (there would be enough time because of the cut in time taken for the first round of qualifiers), 24 runners up = 6 groups of 4, with the winners also going through (now 31 teams qualified). The best second placed team will also qualify for the finals, making 32 teams.

This will be a new method of qualifying, which hopefully will reduce time taken for qualifying.

This has been an official WC13 hosting bid.

So, Arridia (or anyone else), do we vote now?

You can start sending in your votes, yes. I agree with TnUI it might be a good idea to set a voting deadline, to avoid confusion.

I think next time it should be the end of Qualifying, and decided once the World Cup draw is made.

Votes, votes, send in your votes!

HI HO - HI HO - Hi ho hi ho its off to ___________ we go, we train all day then at night we play hi ho hi ho HI HO!


please feel free to fill in the blank :wink:

HI HO - HI HO - Hi ho hi ho its off to ___________ we go, we train all day then at night we play hi ho hi ho HI HO!


please feel free to fill in the blank :wink:

'work'

heh.

Also lol@Lemmys 90 minute RP.

and a reminder to all the WC nations the U21 Championship is going on and all you need to post are two good RPs for the full RP Bonus in the next Cup.

*looks at*
Audioslavia
Mattigool
Bedistan
KOR3A
Kaze Progressa
Ravenspire
The Belmore Family
Cockbill Street
(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2903750#2903750)

Well, now that I have a link to the thread, I can do some RPing. :P With this server, I don't have time to manually search through the forum itself. And I have six hours every night. :evil:

Well, now that I have a link to the thread, I can do some RPing. :P With this server, I don't have time to manually search through the forum itself. And I have six hours every night. :evil:

Well, now that I have a link to the thread, I can do some RPing. :P With this server, I don't have time to manually search through the forum itself. And I have six hours every night. :evil:

heh.

Also lol@Lemmys 90 minute RP.

and a reminder to all the WC nations the U21 Championship is going on and all you need to post are two good RPs for the full RP Bonus in the next Cup.

*looks at*
Audioslavia
Mattigool
Bedistan
KOR3A
Kaze Progressa
Ravenspire
The Belmore Family
Cockbill Street
(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2903750#2903750)

When did that happen? Oh well, guess i'll have to look harder, hopefully i'll notice the second installment of the U-21.

TB: I started sign-ups, and it took so damn long to get 32 participants.

Did you post an Advert in the WC thread?

Did you post an Advert in the WC thread?

Most of the WC got to the thread...... but no. So maybe I was partially at fault.

excuse me for overlooking the U21 cup but i had to RP the biggest anti-climax in the world ever :) (damn Reh-ee-stayn-iyans or however they spell their names :P ;))

OFFICIALL WCC ANNOUNCEMENT

The votes are in! And the hosts will be...

*rolling of drums*

*more rolling of drums*

Rejistania and Cockbill Street!

Congratulations!

Should the hosts back down for any reason, Bedistan and Commerce Heights came second and would be invited to take over.

As Admiral of the Republic of Enloe, and head of foreign relations, I would formally like to request the privelage of hosting the World Cup. The tiny nation of Enloe, although small, prides itself in its fierce football, well, pride. The serene beauty of our nation, combined with the pristine condition of the fields as well as the FIFA certified referees that run wild through the land offers football opportunities surpassed by no other nation. Although our nation only has enough room to host 16 teams in the hotel, we would be honored to provide accomidations in the club suites of the stadium for the lower ranked teams. Might I add that our stadium comfortably fits 300,000 spectators, and provides complimentary oxygen masks for higher seats. As you can see, there is no better place than the Republic of Enloe to host the glorious display of football that is the World Cup.

As Admiral of the Republic of Enloe, and head of foreign relations, I would formally like to request the privelage of hosting the World Cup. The tiny nation of Enloe, although small, prides itself in its fierce football, well, pride. The serene beauty of our nation, combined with the pristine condition of the fields as well as the FIFA certified referees that run wild through the land offers football opportunities surpassed by no other nation. Although our nation only has enough room to host 16 teams in the hotel, we would be honored to provide accomidations in the club suites of the stadium for the lower ranked teams. Might I add that our stadium comfortably fits 300,000 spectators, and provides complimentary oxygen masks for higher seats. As you can see, there is no better place than the Republic of Enloe to host the glorious display of football that is the World Cup.

As Admiral of the Republic of Enloe, and head of foreign relations, I would formally like to request the privelage of hosting the World Cup. The tiny nation of Enloe, although small, prides itself in its fierce football, well, pride. The serene beauty of our nation, combined with the pristine condition of the fields as well as the FIFA certified referees that run wild through the land offers football opportunities surpassed by no other nation. Although our nation only has enough room to host 16 teams in the hotel, we would be honored to provide accomidations in the club suites of the stadium for the lower ranked teams. Might I add that our stadium comfortably fits 300,000 spectators, and provides complimentary oxygen masks for higher seats. As you can see, there is no better place than the Republic of Enloe to host the glorious display of football that is the World Cup.


1. 300 000 spectators? Godmodding, IGNORED.
2. You havent sgned up for the WC.
3. Newbies do not host the World cup in their first cup.
4. The host has been chosen.

1. 300 000 spectators? Godmodding, IGNORED.
2. You havent sgned up for the WC.
3. Newbies do not host the World cup in their first cup.
4. The host has been chosen.

1. LE- stop being so pedantic, do you want to force away new nations.

2.If you are going to mention it, you could at least post this link (WC13 signup-http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121740&highlight=

3. Well Done,

4. You know, theres's this rather interesting idea circulating, it's called "being nice".

1. 300 000 spectators? Godmodding, IGNORED.
2. You havent sgned up for the WC.
3. Newbies do not host the World cup in their first cup.
4. The host has been chosen.

1. LE- stop being so pedantic, do you want to force away new nations.

2.If you are going to mention it, you could at least post this link (WC13 signup-http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121740&highlight=

3. Well Done,

4. You know, theres's this rather interesting idea circulating, it's called "being nice".

Heh. I have now come all the way around from, at one time, finding TBF rather annoying to finding him amusing. And, nice use of the word 'pedantic.' Keep it up.

*grits teeth* i agree with everything TBF just said

is it me or is the ground getting cold? ;)

Enloe: There is 1 space left for participants in WC13. Go here and sign up.

World Cup Thirteen registration (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121740&start=240)

TBF: Nicely done! You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Hee hee. Sainthood agrees with Alan Belmore, i guess! :wink:

Congrats to Rejis and CS, I'd almost participate in WC13 since I'm sure it will be so awesome with you two hosting, but I'm too busy. And apologies to TnUI for being less-than-active in U21s and Speedball... Stuff came up! :oops: