NationStates Jolt Archive

Alright, so Attica doesn't have to go in and hijack other threads because he doesn't like how they RP or what forces they post, (even if he's NO INVOLVED!!!) I am making this thread so that he can post his disagreements/arguments/"questions" here...

Now, to continue on with his disagreement w/ my forces I posted that I was mobilizing (which you had nothing to do with... nor were you planning to join into that thread IC), well, sorry if you think I godmodded, but hey, since my nation, my homeland, was possibly going to be invaded by multiple nations with 1-2 billion pop (which was only PART of the whole reason we mobilized...), I was going to mobilize what I could... and, I think if you were expecting to enter into a war with multiple 1-2 billion population nations, you, too, would mobilize all your forces you could at the time...

This thread is stupid. You cannot have 3 wars and have 3 huge armies fighting all 3. That is simple godmodding. You can't mobilize more forces then you actually have.

Well, if you figure on war alert ViZon has 4% of his 1.422 billion citizens in the military (about 56 million people) , and say 1/4 is combat personell, thats around 14 million combat personell, more than enough to fight three major wars and provide home defense. While logistics would be a nightmare, an economically gifted nation like ViZon should be able to deliver at least 2 million troops to wherever in a reasonable amount of time, depending on enemy sea/air/land activity.

Well, if you figure on war alert ViZon has 4% of his 1.422 billion citizens in the military (about 56 million people) , and say 1/4 is combat personell, thats around 14 million combat personell, more than enough to fight three major wars and provide home defense. While logistics would be a nightmare, an economically gifted nation like ViZon should be able to deliver at least 2 million troops to wherever in a reasonable amount of time, depending on enemy sea/air/land activity.

Agreed. If you're desperate there is no reason you can't fight 10 wars with ten armies at once. Again, logistics would be a nightmare, the economy would suffer and public sentiment would probably plummet but it's more than possible if you're desperate.

That doesn't explain his 40,000 fighters, 20,000 tanks, and large numbers of naval vessels dedicated to EACH war.

That doesn't explain his 40,000 fighters, 20,000 tanks, and large numbers of naval vessels dedicated to EACH war.

Maybe you can explain how Russia had 27,000 Tanks with a pop of only around 250 Million? his tank numbers are Respectable, but i am a little concerned of the Aircraft numbers they MIGHT be a little high.

Well, Russia also had a collapsing economy. He doesn't seem to have a collapsing economy.

Well, Russia also had a collapsing economy. He doesn't seem to have a collapsing economy.

He also is 6 times bigger then Russia and has a lot more powerful Econmy then Russia, his tank Numbers are respectable for his nation.

Capability and Size/Population/Economy are not linearly related.

Capability and Size/Population/Economy are not linearly related.

Yes they are, because if you have more people earning the same amount of money in a 1.5 Billion Pop Country compared to a 250 Million pop Country, there is more money to spend because there are more tax's collected, and if there are more taxes collected means he can spend more money on certain things, like his army

To add some more.

The more people you have in your nation the cheaper things to produce become, because there will be more people working in cretin industries, which means there is a higher demand for things which means things can be build more cheaply because there more demand for something, say it takes 2 years to build an aircraft carrier’s but you only get an order for 1 aircraft carrier every year in a nation of say 200 Million, in a larger nation the demand for aircraft carriers go up and so does the tools to build the aircraft carriers and things become cheaper because they don't need to be special made items because they are build in bulk, so you can build even more aircraft carriers you will have even more aircraft carrier construction builds and ports, So you see the larger the nation is the higher the demand for more special products is which push's down prices of product's.

So the more people living in 1 nation the Cheaper things become, Example tanks, Ships planes and so on.

I could care less about purchase price, it is maintaining the equipment that costs money.

Basically, you are saying, that if two countries have equal economies, but one has 200mill and the other 400, that the one with 400 can support twice as much of everything that the 200mill has, and I am saying that is BS.

I could care less about purchase price, it is maintaining the equipment that costs money.

Basically, you are saying, that if two countries have equal economies, but one has 200mill and the other 400, that the one with 400 can support twice as much of everything that the 200mill has, and I am saying that is BS.

OMG you are so Ignored its not funny :roll: that’s like Saying a 5 Million nation has the same as a 10 Million nation and then that same 10 Million nation would have the same as a 20 Million nation then that same would have the same as a 40 Million nation, and so on, you are such a NOOB, you are completely Ignored :roll:

That doesn't explain his 40,000 fighters, 20,000 tanks, and large numbers of naval vessels dedicated to EACH war.

Maybe you can explain how Russia had 27,000 Tanks with a pop of only around 250 Million? his tank numbers are Respectable, but i am a little concerned of the Aircraft numbers they MIGHT be a little high.
thats debatable because russia is a whole different situation because of their collapsng economy, inability to feed all their people, and partially communist government.

Well out of russia's huge pile of tanks very few of them are ever used or even seen, now why is this?

because most of them are stored underground i huge complexs where they get fueled up and thier engine turned over once a year by small groups of trainee mechanics and conscripts.

It is easy to purchase huge amounts of gear but it very very difficult to aquire the crews and support personnel to keep that huge number going in a defensive posture never mind in offensive deployments...

also the vast majority of them are now very very out of date

Huge numbers of aircraft are even worse as not only do you have to consider how on earth you are actually gettign your aircaft there (if you have 4000fighters you will likely need that many again in tankers to deploy them at anythign greater than a strictly regional level) but also the massive manpower required to keep them flying (2-3man hours of maintianance per flight hr is very good...)..

Then you have the fun job of creating daily air tasking orders... (if you want to deploy thousands of aircraft be prepared to asked for these)

This is why most of my military is used to maintain equipment, while only 2 million infantry and 600,000 pilots. As well as 50,000 for homeland security.

This is getting insane... Ok, here, to straighten things out... A=(larger population=lower prices and more people); B=(more money coming in=more money to spend); and C=(able to produce more and keep them up)... So, A+B=C...

Since ViZion is a good example of A+B=C (ViZion has both a large population [1.427 billion] and large sum of money coming in due to that and a very productive economy [thriving economy]) we can, though as mentioned before that legistics would be hell, enter into multiple wars and have a large military for all of them.

btw, we're now only in 1 war (I think?), and that's with Attica. The mobilization wasn't a war... and I'm not sure what this "third" war is (unless I somehow "entered" one while I was not even home yesterday or up until about 30 min ago... So, ya... only 1 war.

That doesn't explain his 40,000 fighters, 20,000 tanks, and large numbers of naval vessels dedicated to EACH war.

Maybe you can explain how Russia had 27,000 Tanks with a pop of only around 250 Million? his tank numbers are Respectable, but i am a little concerned of the Aircraft numbers they MIGHT be a little high.
thats debatable because russia is a whole different situation because of their collapsng economy, inability to feed all their people, and partially communist government.

I would like to ponit out During WW2 Allied forces construted over 120,000 tanks 90k of them in the USA, and they only had a pop of 123 Million at the time, He is only claiming 40,000 Tanks he is 6 times Bigger then the USA, the USA has 8,000 Tanks (today in RL) 6 x 8,000 = 48,000 OMG HE HAS WAY TO MANY TANKS SAVE US ALL :roll:

That doesn't explain his 40,000 fighters, 20,000 tanks, and large numbers of naval vessels dedicated to EACH war.

Maybe you can explain how Russia had 27,000 Tanks with a pop of only around 250 Million? his tank numbers are Respectable, but i am a little concerned of the Aircraft numbers they MIGHT be a little high.
thats debatable because russia is a whole different situation because of their collapsng economy, inability to feed all their people, and partially communist government.

I would like to ponit out During WW2 Allied forces construted over 120,000 tanks 90k of them in the USA, and they only had a pop of 123 Million at the time, He is only claiming 40,000 Tanks he is 6 times Bigger then the USA, the USA has 8,000 Tanks (today in RL) 6 x 8,000 = 48,000 OMG HE HAS WAY TO MANY TANKS SAVE US ALL :roll:

ok :shock: