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Everyone that is a major Super Power please post in this Thread.

So i can make a list.

No doubt, Credonia is one

No doubt, Credonia is one

OOC: Sorry bro, but you're not.

IMO, there are only 2 superpowers, Menelmacar and Melkor Unchained.

18,000 nuclear warheads and counting, along with abotu the same amount of biochemical weapons, i believe we are... "BRO"

18,000 nuclear warheads and counting, along with abotu the same amount of biochemical weapons, i believe we are... "BRO"

OOC: Could you beat Menelmacar? Melkor? Scolopendra? Angelus? Pantera?

To be the man, you gotta beat the man.

Besides, AMF's nuclear arsenal will soon dwarf even your number.

Nah, im a major producer of ICBM's. Were going to begin production of more soon. besides, just bwecause i dont have the MOST WMD's doesnt mean im not a super power. It jsut means im one of the super powers, just not the TOP super power.

Nah, im a major producer of ICBM's. Were going to begin production of more soon. besides, just bwecause i dont have the MOST WMD's doesnt mean im not a super power. It jsut means im one of the super powers, just not the TOP super power.

I wish to point out an old stickied thread (that is no longer sticked I believe) that talked about being a power and a superpower. One of the things that you should not say is "Im a p0wer cuz 1 g0t 191902190834785918273 n00ks!!11ONE!" Everyone has nukes.

I'm not really sure that there are any superpowers in NS. Just powers. People like Melk, Menelmacar, AMF, EOTED, Iesus, etc. Maybe then some 'lesser powers,' a list that would include Edolia. Trying to come up with a list of superpowers in a game played by thousands of people is a pointless exersize.

Nah, im a major producer of ICBM's. Were going to begin production of more soon. besides, just bwecause i dont have the MOST WMD's doesnt mean im not a super power. It jsut means im one of the super powers, just not the TOP super power.
If you're a super power, well then I'm a f*cking demigod. In terms of nukes, anyone can make a ton. We make systems that can deliver them silently, secretly, and quickly. Nothing like using a EB-1C to put the hurt on without even having to deal with those pesky Anti-missile systems.

EDIT-I am not trying to say I'm a super power. Just saying what I would be by Credonia's standards.

Nah, im a major producer of ICBM's. Were going to begin production of more soon. besides, just bwecause i dont have the MOST WMD's doesnt mean im not a super power. It jsut means im one of the super powers, just not the TOP super power.

OC:Sorry to play Mr. Politically correct, but that would make you a nuclear power of sorts.

As for the definition of superpower, I think this is the most accepted definition:

To be a superpower, you have to be able to whoop anynbody's ass, and I mean anybody. I'm not talking this 1 vs a coaltion shit, I'm talking about a 1 on 1 fight. To be a true superpower, you have to be able to pound anybody into the ground regardless of who they are. Having lots of n00kZ dosen't cut the mustard. Very few can do this, hence why there are few superpowers (and hence why they call them "superpowers").

AMF is pretty damn strong, but there are some nations out there that would kick the living shit out of me. Like I said, to be the man you gotta beat the man.

I could do that ;-), in fact i challenge someone to a wargame

When you all blow yourselves up with pointless nuclear warfare, I will sit there and laugh. Before the shockwaves destroy the planet and I am killed horribly and painfully that is. :( Oh dear...

I could do that ;-), in fact i challenge someone to a wargame

Like I said, n00kZ won't cut it though. If you really want to see what you're made of, challenge Melkor. I'm not just saying that because I'd like to see you stomped, I'm just saying that he's a good person to test your skills against because he's not easily beaten.

We are thinking of accepting Credonia's offer. We do not believe in the use of nukes, or ortillery, yet we could still 'whoop ass', so to speak.

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We are thinking of accepting Credonia's offer. We do not believe in the use of nukes, or ortillery, yet we could still 'whoop ass', so to speak.

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in the war game, nukes can be banned. Just conventional warfare. What do ya say? I DARE you to accept the challenge.

:? Lol I dont think the Fedral union is a super power yet maby an econmic one but not a milltary one.

You would be wise to hold your tongue against your betters, whelp. Your economy is inferior to ours, your technology and training is second-rate, and your hygiene leaves much to be desired, smelly ape-thing.

OOC: This is known as baiting, not flame-baiting.

Hm... personally I've always viewed Iuthia as something of a power of sorts, I should be able to give most nations a beating without trouble...

Of course, most nations don't count the 2 billion plus ones... Iuthia is now in the minority of nations in NS that are 2 billion in size, the thing you have to remember is that invading someone else is alot harder then defending...

So for example, I wouldn't be able to invade AMF without an alliance behind me, however I doubt that AMF could invade Iuthia for the same reason... we're both huge and we both have huge militaries, invasions are really hard because of logistical limitations as well as tactical issues.

I'm not saying we are equal... chances are at in a striaght fight I would lose (but not without causing a hell of alot of damage first) but in a invasion scenario it is the invader who would loose.


So is Iuthia a superpower? Well, I don't think I'm known well enough to be a super power, but I would say that numerically I am a super-power. Alot more so then Credonia at any rate.

I would also like to note that Nuclear arsenal is a pretty limited way to judge superpower status... Iuthia has no nucear arsenal because we don't ever see the need for one, we have a NAFDA system set up just in case some tinpot dictator tries to nuke us but otherwise I don't see the point in glassing another nation because it doesn't achieve much.

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Fedral Union? An economic power?

Hardly. There are many nations, including ours, with such an economy rating, but of much larger size. You are but a mere lemonade stand building child compared to the economic might of thousands of other nations.

Check my GDPmy tech is also standing high and my hygiene is fine tank you .

now credonia is an economic super power, we rake in tons of oney from our storefronts AND our national economy is great

So for example, I wouldn't be able to invade AMF without an alliance behind me, however I doubt that AMF could invade Iuthia for the same reason... we're both huge and we both have huge militaries, invasions are really hard because of logistical limitations as well as tactical issues.

Exactly, I'm glad you said that.

It's really hard fighting any nation over 2 billion, because if 200 million people grabbed steak knives and ball bats and charged the invaders, they'd eventually be overtaken. You only have so many bullets, right?

OOC: Fedral Union, I speak to Credonia. Unless you are the same?

now credonia is an economic super power, we rake in tons of oney from our storefronts AND our national economy is great

Erm....how are you an economic superpower? Your economy is only "Thriving"! Mine is "Frightening" which is 3 levels above yours!

(occ ohh ok thanks )
To new empire
Hey don’t waddle me out of my 15 Minutes in the spot light I still think my economy is pretty good i have a GDP higher then The USA's my tech is high and I have one of the best healthcare systems that any one can get.,

Credonia, if you're an economic super-power, then we are economic gods. Whiole you have a 'thriving' economy, there is room for improvement. We suggest you strengthen yourselves before rattling your tin-foil sabre.

"Hey, who's that out there in the spotlight?"

"The Fedral Union."

"Is he authorized?"

"No."

"Pull him off with a cane 'round his neck then! Doubletime!"

j/k. Sorry though dude, you aren't an economic superpower. Hell, I'm larger then you and I have a Frightening economy (had it for a few months now, actually...) and even I can't be considered an economic superpower.

(occ ohh ok thanks )
To new empire
Hey don’t waddle me out of my 15 Minutes in the spot light I still think my economy is pretty good i have a GDP higher then The USA's my tech is high and I have one of the best healthcare systems that any one can get.,
That doesn't make you an Economic power. My GDP owns your GDP, so don't try and pull that one. The USA is nothing compared to most NS nations, you probably aren't in the top 10,000 of economic powers. Trust me, you aren't half as powerful as you think you are.

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No offense to anyone here, but being a super power isnt all listed as how much on the battlefield you can destroy. There are political supports, political reputation hell there's even economic factors to weigh in.

And to be frank AMF I'd rather bow and pay respect to credonia than you and your continual bluster. Sorry dude but all you ever seem to do is the "Raar I'm AMF I'm hooge fear me I am teh power" For all your 'rp' there's really not much there.

A few threads with pantera here, a few 'beat downs' of someone there maybe some torturing here just so you can bark more about how cruel you are. But you remind me of some nations in the reich. Little poodles that wont stop barking.

Alot of other nations do it as well so dont think I'm singling you out. I've been known to do it from time to time it's something that nobody is immune too.

Now in regards to power status I would be hesitant if I was anyone to label themselves a superpower. Our reputations are made by comments from our peers and enemies not what our propeganda writers put out. Nobody should decide if they are a superpower or not.

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May be because you haven’t asked any one if you are considered one .
I’m a sizable economic super power I might not be one of the extremely bahemoth ones but I’m still a moderate economic superpower.

now credonia is an economic super power, we rake in tons of oney from our storefronts AND our national economy is great

judjing by your prices you should be bankrupt. People should really find out how much it costs to build planes etc. and then you have to add a profit margin

Hey don’t waddle me out of my 15 Minutes in the spot light I still think my economy is pretty good i have a GDP higher then The USA's my tech is high and I have one of the best healthcare systems that any one can get.,

Healthcare doesn't mean diddly squat to me, Iuthia has a crap healthcare system becayse we spend most of our money on the military... however, because our culture is naturally healthy the UN has reckonised it and we've got really healthy citizens (there are two health based polls, one based on healthcare, the other on actual health...)

As for economy... storefronts do not count they are part of your normal economy and are there to RP your economy some how. You can't make more money then your nation can have through your economic status... I ignore all claims otherwise.

Meanwhile I would like to point out that the GDP calulator has been found to be very dodgy... it doesn't take enough into account. However there are alot of nations with huge frightening economies...

So basically put, I don't recognise any "economic superpower" unless it is at least 1 Billion in size and has a "frightening" economy.

New empire I don’t se any one else trying to put me down buy saying things I might not be as economically power full as you but i still have a hell of a power full economy and I might be on the "10 thousands list ".

And to be frank AMF I'd rather bow and pay respect to credonia than you and your continual bluster. Sorry dude but all you ever seem to do is the "Raar I'm AMF I'm hooge fear me I am teh power" For all your 'rp' there's really not much there.

A few threads with pantera here, a few 'beat downs' of someone there maybe some torturing here just so you can bark more about how cruel you are. But you remind me of some nations in the reich. Little poodles that wont stop barking.



Wow..I'd never disrespect you like that.

First off, I could honestly give two shits and fuck what you have to say. I work hard on my RPs, and I'm satisfied with them. That's what matters to me, not what YOU think. If my RP's are so "not there", then how come people in the General forum who never touch RP know who I am when I post there? How come newbies say "hey, I've heard alot about you" when I post in their threads? I could preach about how you yourself really don't do that much around here, but I'll allot you that courtesy.

As for myself, of course I'm going to hype myself at every turn, everybody does it! Of course I'm going to try and seem all big and tough, duh. You think anybody would be where they are without hype?

And to be frank AMF I'd rather bow and pay respect to credonia than you and your continual bluster. Sorry dude but all you ever seem to do is the "Raar I'm AMF I'm hooge fear me I am teh power" For all your 'rp' there's really not much there.

A few threads with pantera here, a few 'beat downs' of someone there maybe some torturing here just so you can bark more about how cruel you are. But you remind me of some nations in the reich. Little poodles that wont stop barking.



Wow..I'd never disrespect you like that.

First off, I could honestly give two shits and f--- what you have to say. I work hard on my RPs, and I'm satisfied with them. That's what matters to me, not what YOU think. If my RP's are so "not there", then how come people in the General forum who never touch RP know who I am when I post there? How come newbies say "hey, I've heard alot about you" when I post in their threads? I could preach about how you yourself really don't do that much around here, but I'll allot you that courtesy.

As for myself, of course I'm going to hype myself at every turn, everybody does it! Of course I'm going to try and seem all big and tough, duh. You think anybody would be where they are without hype?


well said, and i totally agree.
OOC: yes i know im not a SUPER SUPER POWER, but id like to think that i am.

Well, Myrth was about 70 in the world for defense forces last time it came round, and about the same for arms manufacturing. Together with our population of 2.367 billion and Frightening economy...

Take a look at the USA ... They are an economic super power or were or still is just a little weekend .
I’m bigger than the USA and have a more power full economy so I might be a moderate economic super power . Not as high as new empire or any of the super 1 billion pop nations but a moderate Super power .

OOC:

The is silly. There are several reasons why nobody I've seen on this thread deserves the label superpower:

1) In a world where everyone and their dog has a billion people and a frightening+ economy, it takes a little more to stand out. Two billion is a start, though it's not necessary. Even though The Federal Union could beat the living crap out of the RL United States, he, frankly, a mid-range political entity here.

2)Individual nations do not hold superpower status in NS. NS politics are much more akin to turn-of-the-century Europe, when everyone was allied to everyone else. That said, Alliances hold power, not nations. Yut, Arda, and the Menelmacar empire (plus a few fringe groups, like SATO and DOODAD) are the forces to be feared. OMG, U HAEV TEH MILLON NUX! OMG! You and everyone's grandmother. Individual nations could be considered regional or world powers, but no nation so clearly dominates the political, economic, and military landscape as the US and Russia did when the term "superpower" was coined.

It doesn't matter how large you are, or how many F-666 Uberfighters you have/sell. It matters how well you dominate the world - how many people you can get to do what you want them to, by force if necessary. Most of you couldn't convince a May nation to crush you like little bugs, nevermind do what you want. So, sit down, and don't get excited, plzkthx.

New empire I don’t se any one else trying to put me down buy saying things I might not be as economically power full as you but i still have a hell of a power full economy and I might be on the "10 thousands list ".
The whole point is the only Economic powers are the guys up in the Two billions with frightening economies. I'm not even an economic power. So how about all you October and November nations sit down and accept that you're nowhere near the top dogs. Just because you're better than the US or have more nukes doesn't mean you're a superpower, or even a power. Economic powers are probably in the multibillion range with frightening economy, and Superpowers even higher than that, with good civil rights (Improves GDP).

Well, in any case "Superpower" is in the eye of the beholder... to some nations Iuthia is great and huge and ect. Where as others hardly take a notice.

Superpower is something which probably relies on your influence as well as your military, economic and political power (going back to influence again)...

As for Federal Union... I doubt your in the top 10'000 Economically powerful nations, there are pver 100'000 nations in NS, about 20'000 are at least a billion in size and it's really easy to get a frightening economy... most of my allies have it. I'm only "Very Strong" because I wanted a specific type of nation. But even my puppets have a Frightening economy.

I'm not trying to put you down, but you need to realise that alot of nations have a Frightening economy and alot of nations (they may not RP much, but they exist) are larger.

I've 2 out of 3...lacking only the "multibillion" part :P

I've 2 out of 3...lacking only the "multibillion" part :P

Well i still think im sizble not as big as the people with one or 2 billions but sizeble and also i dont htink that rule is varr fair i compare my self to being better than the us at an econmic stand point ..

Well i still think im sizble not as big as the people with one or 2 billions but sizeble and also i dont htink that rule is varr fair i compare my self to being better than the us at an econmic stand point ..

Yes, you're stronger than the US. Very nice. There are mid-range nations twice as strong as you. Please understand that. Melkor > You > USA.

Yep that's me there.



Yep, that's you

It seems you missed the content of the thing entirely. Unlike most people I dont sit and continue to rant. I was actually quite civil in how I addressed you, it could of been anyone of the people here and if you notice I did make comment on others as well.

Of course that being said, defensive replies come and go, your choice really it is, enjoy it I know i do. The same freedom that lets you continue as you do lets me sit back and shake my head in dismay at the complete...... meh screw it. You'd miss the message entirely again.

Enjoy yourself AMF the game is for fun iyou seem to enjoy the self-hand motions. As for the lack of me posting, well hmmm lesse I'm stuck outta being mostly lazy to plot some things out with reploid productions as well as waiting for some sort of reform on the melkor thing before I can atually do anything.

I've actually tied myself up nation wise with those two plots to the point all I can do is some little news threads here andthere or a trade deal with lavenrunz. My some what lessened posting state is purely due to there's nothing else I can do that would be IC for Iraqstan.

On the other hand I do have a RP going that is entirely outside of national stuff that's just waiting for me and Gehenna Tartarus to get 'round to doing more RP of.

I dont know why I explained myself to you, but there you have it. Scorn me for my lack of posting if it makes you feel better but know I've legitimate reasons to not posting and running around blustering like a bad ass.

Iraqstan, the hippy-state of national socialism with the mystery of the time/space continum!

EDIT fixed some typos.

Yep that's me there.



Yep, that's you

It seems you missed the content of the thing entirely. Unlike most people I dont sit and continue to rant. I was actually quite civil in how I addressed you, it could of been anyone of the people here and if you notice I did make comment on others as well.

Of course that being said, defensive replies come and go, your choice really it is, enjoy it I know i do. The same freedom that lets you continue as you do lets me sit back and shake my head in dismay at the complete...... meh screw it. You'd miss the message entirely again.



No, I understood your mesage completely, and I replied accordingly. I noticed you made your comment broad as to not intentionally single me out, I understood that.

Instead of understanding my rebuttal you claim I didn't comprehend your post, which is untrue. I also made that a general statement about hype and how it is neccessary on NS. The same thing I'm doing to hype AMF is what Melkor, Siri, EOTED and other have done before me. It's nothing new.

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To put it this way...Alcona and Hubris is a middleweight in all factors of both military and ecconomy. On a nation to nation basis you need to be
1.older than I am
2. Better at Rp than I am

To even be considred a power let alone a superpower.
Call it the "June rule"

To put it this way...Alcona and Hubris is a middleweight in all factors of both military and ecconomy. On a nation to nation basis you need to be
1.older than I am
2. Better at Rp than I am

To even be considred a power let alone a superpower.
Call it the "June rule"

And next month it will be the july rule...


Persoanlly i would like to think that soemone out there regonises that Crookfur actually exists but in the end Crookfur will end up just shuffleing along doing its own thing and saying hi to the odd person now and then.

And maybe one day i will find the time to to do massive individual threads on each new unit i dream up and soemone might actually notice those ideas i post which might actually be new and different...

In the end super power status really depends on who reconises you and what they think: in a region of mostly Jan/Feb nations a nov/dec nation is god...

I suppose i could try and Rp as a true power but being a middle of the road UK/european power nation siuts me fine (i have a little bit of influence and is seen as the all round freindlier alternative to the big boys).

Hmmm this post seems to ahve rambled, my appologies.

What am i N00b, Minor Power, Power or Super Power?

??? :?

What am i N00b, Minor Power, Power or Super Power?


None of the above, from what i can recall of your posts and Rp you are a fully respectable junior nation.
your voice is probabaly loud yet resonable enough to gather some attention and have some influence

Sheesh, AMF, what are you on? Who here can kick your ass? From what I know, in the past you went to war with a Dec '02 nation and won...I'd say Automagfreek, but I don't really know too many others. I know Pantera and Atlantian Outcasts, though...

TFU...no, you're not a superpower any more than I'm a superpower.

Sheesh, AMF, what are you on? Who here can kick your ass? From what I know, in the past you went to war with a Dec '02 nation and won...I'd say Automagfreek, but I don't really know too many others. I know Pantera and Atlantian Outcasts, though...

TFU...no, you're not a superpower any more than I'm a superpower.

Sheesh, AMF, what are you on? Who here can kick your ass? From what I know, in the past you went to war with a Dec '02 nation and won...I'd say Automagfreek, but I don't really know too many others. I know Pantera and Atlantian Outcasts, though...

TFU...no, you're not a superpower any more than I'm a superpower.

Sheesh, AMF, what are you on? Who here can kick your ass? From what I know, in the past you went to war with a Dec '02 nation and won.

OOC: Plenty of people can kick my ass easily! :)

As for facing '02 nations and winning, yeah, I've done that.

I personally feel that a true superpower should not only be counted by the size and power of its military, but also its internation appeal. A superpower should be supported in their actions, because if it wasn't for the smaller nations looking up to them, they wouldn't be much of anything.

I have puppets larger than half of you, I also have puppets larger than me!

Well, according to our propaganda posters, Hattia could destroy any nation here without much thought, and our posters are always right. :)

Anyway, I'd say I am somewhere a bit above the median of power. I can probably destroy slightly more nations than those that could destroy me. But if you factor in alliances, I have a very large network of them...

I think no one here is a superpower. Anyone on this game could be overpowered if enough nations banded against them. Some people may be pretty close, but not yet.

I have puppets larger than half of you, I also have puppets larger than me!

You have puppets larger than yourself? Wouldn't that make Garrison II the puppet then?

I'd say anybody that is April 2003 or older is pretty much a VERY POWERFUL power, and undoubtably 2002 nations, and mods, and postmaster-generals all probably qualify for something.

I'm nowhere NEAR a superpower, but I intend on becoming one.

IC: I am going to have to agree with AMF, Credonia, you are not a superpower, if you were then every other nation on NS would be a superpower. In order to be a superpower you must rise up above all the rest. Not just a midsized fish in a friggin huge pond.

OOC: Despite having fewer ICBM's than Russia, the US is the only superpower left in the world. China can't attack a nation that they can not reach VIA and overland route, Russia has too little control over their military and most of their Navy has been sitting in port rotting for a decade, and once France, Spain, and Great Britain lost their colonies they lost pretty much all of their ability to support the needs of their people (Great Britain especially as they have the least amount of land for agriculture and manufacturing). The EU is being organized because Europeans feel the need to challenge the US as the only superpower left in the world. Slowly we are laying the seeds for a new Cold War. (How did the US get so lucky, they never lost a war until Vietnam, even then that was a political loss due to President Johnson's reluctance to carpet bomb Vietnam and sending troops into Laos and Cambodia).

Since this list mentions "UNDENYABLE" super powers, a real easy way is to simply put all 2002 and January 2003 nations...

I would put myself in the same position as AMF, we are both very large Nations, i anit as well known though, But we could never invade each other because of all the allies i have to call on and so does he, nations like ourselves are near impossible to invade without massive backing from alliances, and then it will still be very hard to do.

I would have to say sorry Credonia, but you are not a superpower. You are a major part of the world however. Sort of like how Australia takes part in a hell of a lot of stuff, but in actual fact we dont have a huge military...

I would not consider the Austar Union to be a superpower. However I might consider myself to be a power lying in waiting however...

You are all mere smoldering embers when compared to the great bonfire that is Sketch! Given the extremely loose standards of "superpower" here, I can accurately state that I PWN veryone and anyone here in this category. Who else can say that they:


are just plain, friggin' huge
are one of the most recognized names (oocly if not icly)
have dominated the UN rankings for 3 consecutive months (maybe more)
still dominates the UN rankings (from time to time)
have successfully attacked and damaged that WorldDisc thingie
required a combined coordinated assualt by 6 ToY nations to bring down
are still carefully watched despite being "put down" (like the rabid dog I am)
are still friggn' huge


That was just a humble list of reasons. If that for some reason does not suffice, then I dunno what will. Really, if you have to call yourself a superpower, then you are most definitle not one. Those who are let others bestow such titles upon them. It's much more satisfying that way.

While we are not a "superpower" we are a power of some sort. I think we are aleast a economic power? What do you think?

I know RPGing has a lot to do with. You are consided one if you RP a lot. That is imporant. Another is your rankings.

If anybody is a "superpower" I think Seocc belongs there.

:)

OOC: I think Raem touched upon an interesting point earlier about how in the entire real-life world, there are only two (now one) superpowers. Certainly earlier it was the European powers (circa WWI and WWII) and before that Spain was quite a power long ago, if we start going by centuries.

Really, Menelmacar and Melkor are perhaps the only two most universally recognized "super" powers, but it does not mean other nations out there would give them a run for their money. But fights are never mano a mano and it would be foolish to expect that, especially if you are planning a war. I mean, would AMF and Vrak really duke it out by ourselves? Not only are there little to no IC reasons not to, it just wouldn't make sense. It's not boxing. Did Germany say "Okay, I'll leave out all my allies and fight just you France. You can't get the UK and the USA to help since, well, that would be unfair."

Being how the NS universe is fairly multi-polar, I would say that Sketch, Iesus Christi, The Silver Turtle, Kalessin, Angelus, a couple more Yut members (such as Scolopendra) may also be in that category, and I'm most certainly leaving many, many other worthy contenders out since there are literally thousands upon thousands of nations.

Perhaps a better question would be, and I'm sure this has already been done to death as well, which are the most powerful regions/alliances?

now credonia is an economic super power, we rake in tons of oney from our storefronts AND our national economy is great

judjing by your prices you should be bankrupt. People should really find out how much it costs to build planes etc. and then you have to add a profit margin


Im well aware of my low prices, but the quantity that people buy my aircraft makes up for the cost to produce them. Its called cost and demand, perhaps you should refresh on the basics of economics

OOC: im in a bad mood so dont upset me

IC- International Forces: I noted in an earlier post that i know i wasnt one, but who says its wrong for me to try to boost my ego so to speak. AMF pointed out that its what drives people to do what they do on NS. So sue me if i want to think that i am. I dont see any harm in it, and nothing further needs to be said.

now credonia is an economic super power, we rake in tons of oney from our storefronts AND our national economy is great

judjing by your prices you should be bankrupt. People should really find out how much it costs to build planes etc. and then you have to add a profit margin


[ooc]
Uhm... point of order here? If you take out the Regulatory crap, and the padding of prices, Aircraft are actually quite inexpensive. It's only when you add the costs of regulatory compliance in, that the prices steepen up to the level you see on the RETAIL end. I know-I used to work in the industry. Did you know a floating drydock like they use at Norfolk costs less than a 747-400? You know why? the Drydock (big, moving thing, has ballast tanks and can support a container ship all by itself) doesn't have to be built with FAA-inspected components (right down to the rivets, and the exact manner of their installation...).
If Credonia's found a way to keep the cost of his Regulation under control, he could very well build his aircraft for a significant cost-savings.

OOC: im in a bad mood so dont upset me

ooc: threatening to invade for ooc reasons tut tut tut

ic: could you tell me how you can possibly produce the amount of planes you do? and seriously i may be small but dont think that i wouldn't take down a shitload of your military before i was defeated.

II'd class myself as a almost super power, I've got an All-Consuming econermy, a pop of 1.989 Billion and a millatary buget og $202.56732 Trillion, so yes I would class myself as a almost super power. Of course I'm not in the leauge with Pantera and AMF. I went up against Pantera a few months ago with a coalition of 10 nations over 500 million strong and he and one ally (Forgotten name.) wiped the floor with us.

I may not be a world wide NS super power, but I am in my region.

I may not be a world wide NS super power, but I am in my region.
So the second largest guy in my region is only 800million strong...

I believe that i am a lesser power.

What makes a nation as superpower? Certain levels of poulation? Or weapons? Sorry I am probably no wear near a superpower but I needed to ask this question.

I think everyone is forgetting one term to throw in the mix

Hyperpower. Thats what the UN now considers the United states.

(This is only if they have an All-Consuming or Frightening Economie)
I say all the 2 BIllion plus nations, that have been around forever be considered Hyperpowers. Especially if they have the influence to back it up.

the 1 Billion Plus should be the Super powers, etc. Now population shouldn't be the only factor. But there are varying degrees of each level of power.

On a good day (as in, we have not been disarmed) I would say that Thelas is a minor power, maybe just a power.... nothing like Melkor or any of the others.

Okay just checked, I am larger than AMF! *does the happy dance*

So, maybe when we have our millitary at full power Thelas might be considered a somewhat-not-really major power, not a supper power though.

We are thinking of accepting Credonia's offer. We do not believe in the use of nukes, or ortillery, yet we could still 'whoop ass', so to speak.

<Comm ends>

in the war game, nukes can be banned. Just conventional warfare. What do ya say? I DARE you to accept the challenge.

Sounds fun. Jiblea will take you on your offer. We'll consider it a sort of Olympic games, but on a more epic scale.

slow down, slow down! Seriously, there are more insults and degrations flying around here than in a classroom that just hit puberty.
It is, in my humble opinion, impossible to clearly define a "superpower" in NS.(in the real world too when you think about it). Being a superpower is not about kicking ass or having 342.674.22.34 ICBMs. Remeber that NS exists over multiple overlapping universes and dimensions, enclosing all aspects of space and time that will ever exist. There are no real superpowers in NS, only in the NS regions is it possible to define a superpower. So the best thing would be to convert this thread into a rant and raving thread about Regional Superpowers.


(as said, this is just my humble opinion)

We are thinking of accepting Credonia's offer. We do not believe in the use of nukes, or ortillery, yet we could still 'whoop ass', so to speak.

<Comm ends>

in the war game, nukes can be banned. Just conventional warfare. What do ya say? I DARE you to accept the challenge.

Sounds fun. Jiblea will take you on your offer. We'll consider it a sort of Olympic games, but on a more epic scale.

OOC: Hehe this could be interesting. *Runs off to book ring side seats*

I am most definately a super power. I mean, I have a nuke! Come on, how much more dangerous can you get?

OOC: im in a bad mood so dont upset me

ooc: threatening to invade for ooc reasons tut tut tut

ic: could you tell me how you can possibly produce the amount of planes you do? and seriously i may be small but dont think that i wouldn't take down a shitload of your military before i was defeated.


Just because my military has a lot of planes doesnt mean i produced them all, because the plain fact is I DIDNT. About 40% were bought from other sources.

It is my opinion that Credonia is a Powerful nation but not one that ranks SuperPower status. As in the real world Super Power status can only be given to a few (no more than 5 i think) nations that are beyond everyone else, who attempt to keep the peace and who help the smaller nations.

once again my innocent and neutral opinion.
Leave credonia alone! It's simple really. Allright, he claimed he was a superpower. Wrong, but everyone makes mistakes. And besides, it all depends what you compare him to. There is no "average level of power" scale. He does a lot of RPing, has his own website, and thinks he is more powerful than he is. All in all a good NS nation, just like a lot of other great nations around. So just stop stomping him.

This is not the real world though. This is NS, composed of over 100,000 nations, so I think there would be way more superpowers than just five.

This is not the real world though. This is NS, composed of over 100,000 nations, so I think there would be way more superpowers than just five.

One of the wonders of the world, everyone has their own opinion. But if you are a super power then at least 20,000 other nations must be who are stronger and bigger than you.

whats so wrogn with that though?

like I said earlier, focus on REGIONAL SUPERPOWERS!!!

There can be no superpowers in the entire NS. Because they would have to be multi-dimensional and multi-universal superpowers! And that! is not possible.

whats so wrogn with that though?

Wasnt saying there is. Im not getting at you like some others im just having a little arguement. I think you do a wonderful job. But now unfortunately i have to go for a while will check this when i next log in to watch the wargame :P.

You couldnt get a single nation as a superpower. A superpower would be a nation that could easily influence any other nation (or number of nations) throughout the world. Since the ns world is so large and there are just so many huge nations with massive militaries, this could never be possible. Superpower status could however be given to regions or alliances, but even then I'm not sure they would satisfy the definition of superpower entirely.

i'm feelin pretty "super"....yo.

i may be small, but i'm quick, too!

Meh. There can't really be any true superpowers in NS, though, because it's not the real world. There are one hundred and twenty thousand nations in NS...I suppose you could rename this thread, "Great big list of people you don't ever want to mess with" and put in nations like Melkor Unchained and everyone in APTO...

whats so wrogn with that though?

Wasnt saying there is. Im not getting at you like some others im just having a little arguement. I think you do a wonderful job. But now unfortunately i have to go for a while will check this when i next log in to watch the wargame :P.

:oops: Thank you :D 8)

Meh. There can't really be any true superpowers in NS, though, because it's not the real world. There are one hundred and twenty thousand nations in NS...I suppose you could rename this thread, "Great big list of people you don't ever want to mess with" and put in nations like Melkor Unchained and everyone in APTO...

That kind of thread would probably be better, but players would have to cite examples of why not to mess with said nations, not just "uh...because".

IIRC from soem random bits of stuff i've read over the years: wasn't the dfinition of a military super power a nation that could afford to fight 2 full scale regional conflicts at once (like America and Russia could thoeretically do during the cold war and the european powers could in the past)

Of course on NS that would have to revised to fighting 1000 regional wars at once...

**Arrgh** If you wish too be technical about it, who is the largest in Defense?

Even thats per capita, and may be subject to opinion. So as for Superpowers....there are many, and a smaller nation could get lucky,...ya never know....

Hell, I'm a superpower! Im like 1,200 in the 120,000 nations for Defense spending. I have a large population, and I have some of the strongest allies in the NSverse, but you know what? I can still fall, Superpowers dont exist in this game. RP ability does.

Just my two cents.

bUMP

Doujin is a multi-bigmega superulta power! Yea!

On a serious note, "Power" is not just through military might, but through political manipulation of people to do your bidding for you. If Doujin is anything, it is a struggling Naval power. Struggling in the sense that we are striving to become a big power on the waters, and thats our focus - and we are far from achieving that yet.

I wish to point out an old stickied thread (that is no longer sticked I believe) that talked about being a power and a superpower. One of the things that you should not say is "Im a p0wer cuz 1 g0t 191902190834785918273 n00ks!!11ONE!" Everyone has nukes.

Excepting of course those who decide to be different (like me). Who OMG don't have nukes, just lots and lots...and lots of ways to stop them.

Back to the topic...Menelmacar and Melkor, also Nathicana, Reploid Productions, Scolopendra, Pantera, and a couple of others.

2002 nation should get auto entry onto any list. I didn't stay here for over 2years for nothing.

Try finding another nation that has had over 2 years without a single revival.

Since it's not December 04
That wouldn't be you.

Or anyone
Since the site is only 17 months old.

So...yeah

there's a -02 nation here!

So the site must be more than 17 months

No doubt, Credonia is one

If you're a superpower well than I'm...uh...pretty damned strong, oh! :P

I doubt the Ancient Empire of Luporum can be considered a superpower, but we are up there.

The rank of superpower shouldn't be determained by sheer numbers, but by the nations frequency in international conflicts. But having sheer numbers and a powerful military doesn't hurt any :wink:

No doubt, Credonia is one

If you're a superpower well than I'm...uh...pretty damned strong, oh! :P

I doubt the Ancient Empire of Luporum can be considered a superpower, but we are up there.

The rank of superpower shouldn't be determained by sheer numbers, but by the nations frequency in international conflicts. But having sheer numbers and a powerful military doesn't hurt any :wink:

A powerful military WILL hurt someone if they're put into action.

Am I a super power?

YOU ARE THE SUPER POWER!!! :lol:

Zoogiedom is but a tiny speckle of dust, hoping to make some impact or influence and at the same time staying alive. By virtue of trade and alliance, we consider ourselves fairly safe and well-off; however, a superpower...far from it.

This whole thread is pointless, though, considering the NS world...which is very unrealistic; so many 2bil+ nations?

For reference, the US GDP per capita is 37,900 (or something like that).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA after the first 10 posts I couldn't stop laughing... Credonia you're a comedian

Yep.


+1

Some of you think Size=Military Manpower=Superpower.......If that is the case how come China and India aren't superpowers? Also, you can never have an actual thread on the "Superpowers of NS" noone ever agrees.

Some of you think Size=Military Manpower=Superpower.......If that is the case how come China and India aren't superpowers? Also, you can never have an actual thread on the "Superpowers of NS" noone ever agrees.

OOC:

If you mean in recent history, well, those two can't get their act together. Plus, being massive means you will have problems that smaller nations don't have. But remember, China was the most powerful country for a while long ago.

You should sit down and read up on your history, Watertest.

I think i can be considered a super power even though i don't warmonger anymore.

I regard Moontian as a power, but not on the level of a superpower. Numerically, I am superior to most nations here, and have the technology to simply laugh while the NS Earth is destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, since I have many colonies off Earth and even outside the Solar system. I don't like to get in war much, since with my tech, I generally have to pull my punches. I have a strong economy, but my colonies have better.

In short, I would consider Moontian as a decent technological power, and a middling economic and military power.

EVERYBODY IN KILEAN CAN SHOOT LASERS OUT OF THEIR EYES!


oh...uuh, the political kind of superpowers.

nevermind....

I honestly belive that being a super power doesn't mean you have the most weapons or man power. Nor is it how advanced you are, or how much money you have. I belive you need wisdom and understanding. A nation whose people can empathize fully with one another, I belive can rise up and form a harmonic unity, with goals of the preservation of humanity, can overcome any obstacle.
However, this 'power' is also dangerous, for if the collective have a distorted view on being human, then it could turn tragic for the entire world.

There really are no Single nations that really are superpowers, These days power lies Within Alliances, Alliances like GDODAD ARDA RBA (Sorry if i missed any 1 this is for example only) and a few other of the Worlds Major Alliances.

This is where The Power lays, There are a Few nations which have the Ability to bring one of these Alliances a good war becaues of there Alliances. But all the Power lays within ALliances these days.

Dr_Twist.

Menelmecar and Melkor Unchained are Superpowers. Anyone who RP:ed with them knows it. They are great RP:ers and they are powerful.

I wouldn't say i was, nor do i really want to be. Standing out makes you a prime target for one of Credonias little coalitions. I think larger nations can influence the world, but only a few of the Nov-Dec '02 nations are really superpowers, like Melkor and Menelmecar.