NationStates Jolt Archive

I think this may have been done before, but if so it appears to have been deleted in a purge. It seems like a good idea to me, anyway.

So (not including Earth territories), who lays claim to what worlds or bits of worlds or whatever in the Solar System?

Tsaraine has a three-kilometer asteroid, High Stone, at the Earth-Moon system's Lagrange Three point, and a 280-kilometer asteroid, Far Stone, in the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter.

I own the Orion Sector...or...

I solely inhabit the Orion Sector

We mainly live on earth, but we have a Colony on NOD Asteroid 11A2B-3A in orbit around Mars

OH! before i foget Kaderba recently supplied a Space Station Like DS9 From StarTrek-DS9 for us :D

It's in orbit around the Moon of Earth

I have some installations orbiting Venus.Annnd..A monitoring station around Sol.

I......well I am going to own Neptune's moon Triton, perhaps if I am unopposed in Peaceful Colony Marine Building and all.

The Planet of Neptune and its Moons might be mine, I have no idea. Right now I own Triton, thats all.

I own Phobos. All of Phobos.

There is no superlaser on Phobos.

I have a colony on the moon and im in the process of colonizing a part of Mars.

Mars colony, a few lunar shipyards and a stardock in orbit over europe.

I have a colony on the moon and im in the process of colonizing a part of Mars.

Mars is taken their,bub.Snel has owned it for a loooong time.

I own the Vahalla Impact Basin on Callisto. I think it should be rather obvious who owns everything around Saturn.

I have a colony on the moon and im in the process of colonizing a part of Mars.

Mars is taken their,bub.Snel has owned it for a loooong time.


Thanx for the info.

Mars is taken their,bub.Snel has owned it for a loooong time.Wrong. Look at the region: The Planet Mars

I have a colony on the moon and im in the process of colonizing a part of Mars.

Mars is taken their,bub.Snel has owned it for a loooong time.

http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/mapofmars.html

Mars is taken their,bub.Snel has owned it for a loooong time.Wrong. Look at the region: The Planet Mars

Well,I'm wrong.

Considering the quantum and astrophysical power that Rebeland holds, due to a manipulated inter-dimensional worm-hole, we are requesting ownership of the saturn moons.

Considering the quantum and astrophysical power that Rebeland holds, due to a manipulated inter-dimensional worm-hole, we are requesting ownership of the saturn moons.

I think you'll probably have to take that up with the folks over at the Triumverate of Yut...they seem to have cordoned off Saturn space for themselves.


Me.....I lay claim to own Europa, although apparently people have built colonies and outposts there....... :? But they'll be gone soon...... :twisted:

I own a good chunk of the Kuiper Belt.

I got a small colony on the extrem north of Mars and a colony on the extrem south of the moon

Most of Venus, currently in process of terraforming.
Other colonies on Mars, Titan, and Io
Mining outpost on Europa and on several asteroids
Two outsystem colonies on Baal IV and Delta Pavonis III (Vinyarda)
Three large shipards - Orbital Yards over earth, Daggerstar Transjovian Yards in Jupiter's atmosphere, and Ceres Fleet Yards inside the Ceres asteroid (where there is also a sizeable colony).
Several resource fleets mining asteroids and such in distant systems.

After this battle, check the Triton Thread, we own all of the Neptune Moons and itself. We are victorious.

Ownership:

Neptune and Moons after The Battle of Neptune NOD Renegades

Chiron, Rhadamanthus, Ixion, and various other icy bodies. A colony on Callisto, as well.

I have some installations orbiting Venus.
Unless you've worked that out with Menelmacar and/or Myself, you bloody well do not. If you have and I just don't know about it yet, nevermind.

South pole of Ganymede, a floating outpost in the ocean of Europa, shipyards/He3 mines in Jovian atmosphere, Neptune and Uranus's atmospheres, nearly all of Charon, literally all of Pluto below a depth of 1 kilometer, the Martian Space Elevator (aka, Yggdrasil, The World Tree), Pavonis, Argyre, dyson ring 'round Venus and a couple ground stations, and the Arkship.

I've been trying to work that out, Snel. Is Yggdrassil a real tree? Or is it a machine?

Kalyke and a few other asteroids, the Martian leading and trailing trojan asteroid fields, the Jovian trailing trojan asteroid field, several minor moons of Jupiter, and an unused bit of Venus (likely to remain so since most of my populace can't withstand high gravity).

I've been trying to work that out, Snel. Is Yggdrassil a real tree? Or is it a machine?
'Tis a real tree. With extra nanofiber cables on the inside, and machinery to run the cars added, but mostly living tree.

The Northrop-Grumman Corporation currently has colonies on the planets of P3X-719 and P4X-582.

John Northrop
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President
http://photopile.com/photos/TheQ/auctions/88299.jpg (http://republicofnorthropgrumman.50megs.com/)
Northrop-Grumman Corporation (http://republicofnorthropgrumman.50megs.com/)
Northrop-Grumman Modern Tech Storefront (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113695/)
Northrop-Grumman Future Tech Storefront (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119691)
The Northrop-Grumman Corporate Forums (http://s4.invisionfree.com/Northrop_Grumman/)

Kalyke and a few other asteroids, the Martian leading and trailing trojan asteroid fields, the Jovian trailing trojan asteroid field, several minor moons of Jupiter, and an unused bit of Venus (likely to remain so since most of my populace can't withstand high gravity).

Unless you're using a different standard of 'high gravity' than the rest of us, well, Venus' gravity'd be about the same as Earth; It's just the atmospheric pressure that's crushing(tho aparently the planet's being terraformed).

I don't have any signifigant holdings beyond Earth orbit within the Sol system; old base in the ort cloud, a few light-months out, is pretty much it at the moment, aside from the HomeCluster, which is 5000 lightyears beyond the galactic rim.. on the other side of the galaxy.

I......well I am going to own Neptune's moon Triton, perhaps if I am unopposed in Peaceful Colony Marine Building and all.

The Planet of Neptune and its Moons might be mine, I have no idea. Right now I own Triton, thats all.

After this battle, check the Triton Thread, we own all of the Neptune Moons and itself. We are victorious.

Ownership:

Neptune and Moons after The Battle of Neptune NOD Renegades

You mean a part of them, i presume? Since i have this shiny colony on Triton...

Which reminds me...

In the interest of fair RP, no one should own entire moons and/or planets. First of all, because NS is too large to see who is colonising what. You cannot know who is where, so clashes, when someone owns an entire moon or planet are guaranteed.

Second, personally, i think it`s unfair to have exclusive rights on entire moons and/ or planets. Yes, in the real world, the first to come has the rights. But NS is not the real world. It´s supposed to be fun, and thusly, I think that telling new nations 'YOU CAN`T BE HERE BECAUSE I OMG OWN THIS ENTRIRE PLACE!' is, simply, the behaviour of assholes.

This also means that IMHO, no one has any bloody right to demand that people ask before they start a colonisation project. One simply cannot know anyone who has something in sol. And claiming entire planets + the moons surrounding them is IMHO the worst possible behaviour one can show, short of stomping 5 mio nations because one doesn´t like their name.

(Btw, Steel Butterfly... Orion Sector == this shiny arm of our galaxy? You know, that one with earth in it...)

Ok, now for what this thread is intended:

1. Basic knowledge: All colonies on Moons or planets other than earth cover about 0.2% of their RL surface (I tend to believe that moons/ planets in NS are never full, quite like NS earth). The size of space stations/ shipyards differs vastly.

So...

1. A shipyard in geosynchrous orbit (36000km above the surface) above DA earth

2. Mars colony, about 4 mio citizens & A shipyard above the Mars colony (smaller than the Earth shipyard)

3. Colonies on the Moon (Earth subsystem), Callisto, Ganymede, Europa (Jupiter subsystem) Triton (Neptune subsystem), About 1mio citizens in each of them. Each one has it`s own shipyard orbiting the planet (smaller than the Mars shipyard)

4. Sisgardian Craftworld Project, Kuiper Belt (Still under construction). Of course, it just includes DA parts, and is basically property of the entirety of Sisgardia

5. A couple of mining outposts on smaller (less than 1000km in diameter) moons at Uranus & Jupiter. This outposts are just mining colonies and usually left after a couple of years, no serious defences or stuff. (Temporary) population varies between 10- 1000 people.

6. A couple of small space stations orbiting the sun between Earth & Neptune. Population usually around 100 people, minimal defences, and occasionally given up.

OOC:

Most of Venus, currently in process of terraforming.


In other news, the largest snowman ever was just completed in hell....

And apart from the fact that such is completely impossible, I completely agree with Der Angst. Claiming entire moons and / or planets is not only completely unrealistic in the NS world, it is also a clear indication of the fact that some players want to have an army of little ****riding worshippers in the first place, and good rp in the second. Nobody should have to ask permission from bigger nations to start colonization.

And as for me:

Sisgardian Craftworld Project, Kuiper Belt (Still under construction). Of course, it just includes DA parts, and is basically property of the entirety of Sisgardia


All the rest is located outside the system

Several LARGE bases in the Asteroid Belt, and several bases in the Comet sheild, we also have the Ortheri station (reminds Menelmacar she also has one), a moving mining space station.

OOC:

Most of Venus, currently in process of terraforming.


In other news, the largest snowman ever was just completed in hell....
Jesus Christ, guy, the damn thing's been in process for almost a year real time, and nobody, nobody in that time has made a serious IC challenge to Menelmacar's ability to hold the planet. So cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

~Siri

I might be overreacting indeed. Can I get a link or something where I can read how you're terraforming the planet? Pretty please?

Slutbum Wallah claims whatever our exploration satellite X3-17 encoutered during it's mission. We don't know what it encountered because as soon as we lauched it, it flew off course and plowed out of the solar system of full power. This is a bit of a pity, since it was originally intended as a way of getting Satellite TV for the government buildings.

Minister Doppenheim

Well, I've got Mercury.

Not because I'm ballsy enough to claim the whole planet, but because I appear to be the only one who's bothered with it.

If you want to get specific, however, the Caloris Basin is mine. There are also about 20 satellites in orbit around Mercury, however, they're getting old and tired, and really should be replaced.

But, basically, I don't care if someone mucks about on Mercury, that basin is the only thing I'm highly interested in protecting.

Oh, and a whole mess of satellites in orbit around Earth, but everyone's got those.

Considering the quantum and astrophysical power that Rebeland holds, due to a manipulated inter-dimensional worm-hole, we are requesting ownership of the saturn moons.

I think you'll probably have to take that up with the folks over at the Triumverate of Yut...they seem to have cordoned off Saturn space for themselves.


Me.....I lay claim to own Europa, although apparently people have built colonies and outposts there....... :? But they'll be gone soon...... :twisted:

That claim is disputed, and secondly, I'm going nowhere.

I have interest, OOCly so far, in Mercury. But I wouldn't lay claim to it, small as it is. It's only OOCly because I have yet to figure out what I can do with it (lack of astronomy knowledge. Hack, got a map anywhere of the thing?). And also at the moment I'm tied up with my annoying Mars colony.

Oddly I never bothered with the moon. ICly I suppose it would have been logical to do so but eh. Maybe I did? And it's just not important to mention? Hmm.

Anyway, I also lay claim to whatever planet the Ancient One came from. Luckily I have no idea where that is, so I'm pretty sure no one else has it either.

Unless you're using a different standard of 'high gravity' than the rest of us, well, Venus' gravity'd be about the same as Earth; It's just the atmospheric pressure that's crushing(tho aparently the planet's being terraformed).
8.87m/s^2, to be exact. And in this case, high gravity means anything more than 1/5 of g (about 1.9m/s^2). Also, atmospheric pressure is Earth normal at 49.5 kliks altitude. Oh, and those minor moons I mentioned: Sinope, Ananke, Adrastea, and Amalthea.

Dear Der Angst, One Whom Called Me A Asshole,

I now only own Triton, and in the intrest of FAIR Role Playing with my Fellow Role Players, I would just LOVE to say something to insult you, but can't, because, well, Jesus loves you Der!.

Thank you,

God Bless.

I have interest, OOCly so far, in Mercury. But I wouldn't lay claim to it, small as it is. It's only OOCly because I have yet to figure out what I can do with it (lack of astronomy knowledge. Hack, got a map anywhere of the thing?). And also at the moment I'm tied up with my annoying Mars colony.

Well, there's not much you can do, aside from research. I don't have any links handy. I got most of my information by doing a Google search for "mercury planet". I usually go for either university sites or NASA, of course.

1: 13km asteroid (Orbital Lab) "Seijoutai Island", Earth Orbit

2: 30 "Island-3" type colonies at Lagrange Point 3 (Lordinum Colony Cluster), Earth Orbit

3: 20 "Island-3" type colonies at Lagrange Point 1 (Wolfton Colony Cluster), Earth Orbit

4: 34km asteroid (Military Outpost) "Second Luna", Earth Orbit

5: Research Outposts & Factories on three small moonlets, Uranus Orbit, shared with Reploid Productions (S/2003 U1, S/2003 U2, and S/2003 U3)

6: Joint Research & Development Station and Service Port with Reploid Productions, Sedna, Edge of the Solar System

7: Self-Defense Force Space Forces HQ (Orbital Space Fortress), Earth Orbit

8: 4 SNRI Shipyard Facilities, Earth Orbit

9: 26km asteroid (Military Outpost) "Armory One", Earth Orbit

10: Ring Colony, Ring of Powerfulness, Saturnspace

Dear Der Angst, One Whom Called Me A Asshole,
I now only own Triton, and in the intrest of FAIR Role Playing with my Fellow Role Players, I would just LOVE to say something to insult you, but can't, because, well, Jesus loves you Der!.
Thank you,

God Bless.

Which is yet another example of the stupidity described by my esteemed collegue of Der Angst. A three weeks old nation owning an entire moon / planet? Please, the second that would happen, you'd have to fight of dozens of larger nations , because frankly: such a small nation owning such a big place is nothing less than a really big sitting duck.

Excuse me, I am not Three Weeks Old, more over a Month, Idiot.

Idiot? Was that stated IC-ly?

Anywho, Triton is entirely mine until so as another Nation takes claim of its parts, then another, and so on. Just another EXAMPLE of FAIR ROLE PLAYING in ACTION........you freakin Idi-.......Jesus Loves You Very Much, Indedd He Does!

OOC:

Vrak doesn't own a damn thing in space. Walruses in space? No way. But to pick up on Der Angst's comments:

I agree that it's hard to know who owns what in regards to the various satellites, but I see two possible ways out of this:

1) Just go ahead and claim it anyways. After all, when the dudes from Europe came over and planted a flag saying "I lay claim to this land in the name of God and King" the Indians must have been laughing. After all, one can claim but whether or not others recognize the claim is something else.

2) In interests of advancing a storyline, you could say you own a planet, moon, etc... in a different dimension. After all, we do that on NS earth.

Just my 10 won.

It is unlikely that Venus can be terraformed. Also quite impractical too. Actually, it would be a godmode if you terraformed Venus.

- Sovy K.

It is unlikely that Venus can be terraformed. Also quite impractical too. Actually, it would be a godmode if you terraformed Venus.

- Sovy K.

He's probably right

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I......well I am going to own Neptune's moon Triton, perhaps if I am unopposed in Peaceful Colony Marine Building and all.

The Planet of Neptune and its Moons might be mine, I have no idea. Right now I own Triton, thats all.

Before you even existed, we set up a gas mining operation on Neptune, and a Biodome colony on the Neptune moon Larrisa.

We own nothing else in the solar system, except our main Earth Nation.

After this battle, check the Triton Thread, we own all of the Neptune Moons and itself. We are victorious.

Ownership:

Neptune and Moons after The Battle of Neptune NOD Renegades

Sorry mate, but most of the Neptunian moons, including Triton, are MINE. I started a colony there way before your nation was created. I also own the Uranian moons, and have a colony on Dionne, a planet orbiting Wolf 359.

If you care to take me on Nodea Rudav, just remember that I have two nations that have been around for more than a year, with a third almost at the 2 billion mark as well.

Indeed! Venus has a retrograde rotation. In other words, Venus has some very long days. 1 Venus year is SHORTER than 1 Venus day, to be more direct.

- Sovy K.

After this battle, check the Triton Thread, we own all of the Neptune Moons and itself. We are victorious.

Ownership:

Neptune and Moons after The Battle of Neptune NOD Renegades

Sorry mate, but most of the Neptunian moons, including Triton, are MINE. I started a colony there way before your nation was created. I also own the Uranian moons, and have a colony on Dionne, a planet orbiting Wolf 359.

If you care to take me on Nodea Rudav, just remember that I have two nations that have been around for more than a year, with a third almost at the 2 billion mark as well.

how long have you owned the Neptune moons? Because I colonised Larrisa (A Neptune moon) In July last year.

Just assume you colonized part of it, so that you both can be there.

and regarding terraforming Venus:
http://yarchive.net/space/science/venus.html

So I would still like some link from Siri showing how she wants to pull it off

That's strange, since I remember putting in a thread about my taking those moons, and no one had challenged me then.

That's strange, since I remember putting in a thread about my taking those moons, and no one had challenged me then.

I'm not on NS 24 hours a day you know...

The Imperial Navy, I gave you Larissa, if you recall, and you decided to spend 40 RL days to terraform it.

The Imperial Navy, I gave you Larissa, if you recall, and you decided to spend 40 RL days to terraform it.

oh I know now-I just looked through my archives... it's done now, and has an artificial Heat source.

The following is a pictorial representation of what Zeronia claims in the Solar System. These claims were made between June 2, 1992 and September 24, 1995, several years before NS was conceived. As such, all nations based in the Solar System are actually provinces of the Solar System of Zeronia, which are under total control of, and are severely taxed by the duumvirate. You must have permission to exist. This "who owns the solar system" debate is over. Thank you. :?

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/zeronia/zeronian_claims.jpg

This post was made in jest.

Zeronia:

Quite a humerous post that accurately satires that argument.

*thumbs up*

- Sovy K.

I'd hate to see you try to plant a flag on the Sun... or maybe I wouldn't :twisted:

OOC: I'll do the laundry-list if someone really needs to know for some reason, but in brief: We're damn near everywhere. 8)

The really crucial claim is Deimos, though.

Deimos isn't all that much use to anyone, except for possibly as a military base. It's too small to house any major populations

ah... the old "I ownz you all!!!111!!" joke.

It's no longer funny.

Just assume you colonized part of it, so that you both can be there.

and regarding terraforming Venus:
http://yarchive.net/space/science/venus.html

So I would still like some link from Siri showing how she wants to pull it off
I shall try to unbury the old "Planetary Enginering" series of threads, detailing the plans for Martian and Venusian terraform. Basically, much atmosphere is being slowly carted away in cargo barges to Mars, a large sunshade is under construction and the ciscytherian point, there is a dyson ring generating an artificial magnetosphere, and hundreds of airships are busily soaking up sulphuric acid, converting CO2 into oxygen and C360/graphite/diamond, and reflecting/reradiating heat.

Just assume you colonized part of it, so that you both can be there.

and regarding terraforming Venus:
http://yarchive.net/space/science/venus.html

So I would still like some link from Siri showing how she wants to pull it off
I shall try to unbury the old "Planetary Enginering" series of threads, detailing the plans for Martian and Venusian terraform. Basically, much atmosphere is being slowly carted away in cargo barges to Mars, a large sunshade is under construction and the ciscytherian point, there is a dyson ring generating an artificial magnetosphere, and hundreds of airships are busily soaking up sulphuric acid, converting CO2 into oxygen and C360/graphite/diamond, and reflecting/reradiating heat.

The other way is to do to Venus what happened to Earth, mainly seed it with microorganisms that will slowly change its atmosphere. Of course, that's more following the Million Year Plan as opposed to being actually useful.

Incidentally, that's been done, too. And not just micro-organisms. The Snel bioengineers (aka me with biochem and physics textbooks) had fun coming up with giant atmospheric jellyfish and other wierd creatures.

The following is a pictorial representation of what Zeronia claims in the Solar System. These claims were made between June 2, 1992 and September 24, 1995, several years before NS was conceived. As such, all nations based in the Solar System are actually provinces of the Solar System of Zeronia, which are under total control of, and are severely taxed by the duumvirate. You must have permission to exist. This "who owns the solar system" debate is over. Thank you. :?

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/zeronia/zeronian_claims.jpg

This post was made in jest.

LMAO.

In other news, it´s amusing to see this thread degrading to exactly the kind of thing i ranted about on page two...

*Is seriously pondering ignoring any and all people claiming entire planets/ moons*

OK. I'm going to have a little rant here, so y'all listen up, hey?

This thread was meant to be a nice, peaceful listing of everybody's space assets. It was not meant to be a festering, General-esque cesspool of "OMG NOES U CANT CLAIM TAHT! I CLAIMED IT FIRST!" and so on.

If you have arguments over a claim being justified or not, take it up in TG, or over IRC, or somewhere that's not this thread, OK?

If I see this argument perpetrated further in my thread, I shall not be happy. At all.

Thankyou for your attention.

Oh, and Ravenspire: I would appreciate knowing where your colonies and so on are. That's what this thread is for, after all.

Note the retrograde spin of the planet. Getting rid of the atmosphere is probably only 1/3rd of the battle. You also have to deal with the proximity to the sun/lack of a magnetosphere issue as well as the fact that the planet needs to start spinning.

All in all, it is godmoding.

Nuff said on that matter.

- Sovy K.

Note the retrograde spin of the planet.
Please explain why you think that's a problem.
Getting rid of the atmosphere is probably only 1/3rd of the battle. You also have to deal with the proximity to the sun/lack of a magnetosphere issue as well as the fact that the planet needs to start spinning.
Also please explain why you think the planet has to spin. Proximity to the sun is/will be taken care of by near-100% water cloud cover and a ciscytherian sunshade, and the magnetosphere is temporarily being taken care of by a dyson ring, until the mantle convection currents can be restarted in a similar fashion to what's being done on Mars.

Personally I don't recognise most claims of an entire planet/moon due to the sizes involved.

Lets face it, there are so many nations in NS it is pretty impossible to find a nation that hasn't claimed a RL nation, moon, planet, system or galaxy...


I can accept RL nation claims I guess, though it does show IMO a certain lack of imagination to claim Russia over and over again.

I can also accept a colony on any planet, providing the entire planet isn't claimed...

But generally I will ignore claims of entire planets or moons, there arn't enough to go round and not everyone will know who owns something before building on it.

[/two pence]

Please explain why you think that's a problem.

I misunderstood the word retrograde. However, that is not to say that having a retrograde spin on a planet would not cause problems on its own.

Also please explain why you think the planet has to spin.

Are you being serious? I think the statement speaks for itself. Well, think of what Earth just might be like if it did not spin.

Proximity to the sun is/will be taken care of by near-100% water cloud cover and a ciscytherian sunshade,

So you are basically replacing one greenhouse element for another? What is "ciscytherian", I popped it onto dictionary.com and google, and I did not get any results.

You have to deal with the fact that one side of the planet is dark, which will undoubtfully affect the ecosystem on the otherside of the planet.

and the magnetosphere is temporarily being taken care of by a dyson ring,

MmmmmHmmm. So, if we are alreadying pumping out Dysons like that, why are we even bothering to terraform Venus again in the first place?

until the mantle convection currents can be restarted in a similar fashion to what's being done on Mars.

I am unaware that Mars' mantle is being restarted. I do not know why you would want to 'restart' the Venus mantle convection currents since it appears to be doing quite well for a planet that is lacking in tectonic plates. Feel free to inform me of otherwise.

- Sovy K.

Also please explain why you think the planet has to spin.

Are you being serious? I think the statement speaks for itself. Well, think of what Earth just might be like if it did not spin.
The sun wouldn't move, and one side would get hotter than the other. If you've got the technology to pull off the rest of a terraforming operation, you can certainly fix the heating problem artificially (as with microwave sats, mirrors, etc.).

So you are basically replacing one greenhouse element for another? What is "ciscytherian", I popped it onto dictionary.com and google, and I did not get any results.

You have to deal with the fact that one side of the planet is dark, which will undoubtfully affect the ecosystem on the otherside of the planet.
The ciscytherian point is the lagrange point directly in between Venus and the sun. And no, we're not replacing one greenhouse element with another, we're replacing a greenhouse element (an extremely heat-rentive atmosphere and internally reflective cloud cover) with a cooling agent (semi-retentive atmosphere and increased visual albedo due to high percentage water cloud cover). And as an entirely new ecosystem has to be introduced anyway, accounting for dark/light biomes is trivial.

MmmmmHmmm. So, if we are alreadying pumping out Dysons like that, why are we even bothering to terraform Venus again in the first place?
Like what? At a rate of one torus with an average minor radius of only 1.5 kilometers every RL year? 'Cuz that's how long it's taken to build the ring 'round Venus.

I am unaware that Mars' mantle is being restarted. I do not know why you would want to 'restart' the Venus mantle convection currents since it appears to be doing quite well for a planet that is lacking in tectonic plates. Feel free to inform me of otherwise.
There are convection currents, but they don't go deep enough or strong enough. About a billion years ago, if I remember correctly, the entire surface of Venus melted, venting enormous amounts of internal heat and significantly reducing the heat difference between the mantle and outer core. The surface went way past the curie (sp?) temperature, eliminating any residual field, and the reduced temperature differences don't produce a powerful enough geodynamo effect to generate an Earth-like field. The solution is to dig Very Deep Holes straight through to the bottom of the mantle and drop Big Enormous Nukes into them. Mind you, the length of time required before it begins to have a noticeable effect is likely on the order of yet another RL year.

The sun wouldn't move, and one side would get hotter than the other. If you've got the technology to pull off the rest of a terraforming operation, you can certainly fix the heating problem artificially (as with microwave sats, mirrors, etc.).

We have not even figuratively scratched the surface of Venus and already it is appearing to be quite the high maintenance planet. And why would you want to heat the otherside? God knows what kind of havoc that could happen with the weather. Not to mention that one side of the planet will be under darkness for 180 days straight, or will light reflect on the planet too, I suppose?

And no, we're not replacing one greenhouse element with another, we're replacing a greenhouse element (an extremely heat-rentive atmosphere and internally reflective cloud cover) with a cooling agent (semi-retentive atmosphere and increased visual albedo due to high percentage water cloud cover).

Wikipedia says otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Care to elaborate?

And as an entirely new ecosystem has to be introduced anyway, accounting for dark/light biomes is trivial.

Indeed a new ecosystem would have to be put in, considering that most of the planet will be under cloud cover. How that ecosystem will actually thrive is up for debate.

The surface went way past the curie (sp?) temperature, eliminating any residual field, and the reduced temperature differences don't produce a powerful enough geodynamo effect to generate an Earth-like field. The solution is to dig Very Deep Holes straight through to the bottom of the mantle and drop Big Enormous Nukes into them.

Why would you want to drop nukes there? Wouldn't it be by far more efficient just to carve a bunch of tectonic plates into Venus, which would increase the temperature differential.

Mind you, the length of time required before it begins to have a noticeable effect is likely on the order of yet another RL year.

Liquid time and real life time don't mix too well. I do not know the ratio of real time there is to 'game time' or whatever you call it. You seem to know what this ratio is, hm?

- Sovy K.

OOC:

News.

I'm selling Pinnacle Base to Mallberta, in a new thread. So... yeah.

Oh, and Ravenspire: I would appreciate knowing where your colonies and so on are. That's what this thread is for, after all.

Fair enough.

The national capital is on Earth.

Colonies, outposts, and/or unmanned stations exist on: Luna, Mars, Deimos, several asteroids (mainly just mining stations, and so unimportant -- but notably Ceres), Ganymede, Lysithea, Io (although this one may have been destroyed; I'm not entirely up on the situation there), Titan, Phoebe, Europa (abandoned/destroyed, IIRC), Callisto, Oberon, Titania, Ariel, Umbriel, Triton, and Despina.

I'd have to dig around in my archives a bit for more detail on what's where, but at least half of those are unmanned or negligibly-manned.

And yup, I'm pretty heavy on the sci-fi.

I have a planet in the system of Andromana, called Keelth.

Thank you, Ravenspire - it's much appreciated. Knowing who has what is why this thread exists, after all.

It does not exist for debates about terraforming, arguments about who can or can't claim what, or anything else of that nature. If I see any more of that I shall be very, very upset; for heaven's sake, I already asked you lot to quit it once!

I call all dog territory, or at lease some place starting with dog...

Beeker got delete?!