NationStates Jolt Archive

I wanna propose this meeting to have a full view of the Post Fascist/National Socialist party groups in this game.
I'll propose some main themes and i would your honest belief about the submitted case, camrades i would you full cooperation!

:!: Camrades, if we want to have this debate we must omit the discussion about the RaHoWa(for whom knows what it means). :!:

The themes i propose are:
1) Religion and State.
2) Capitalism, Socialism, Corporative Entreprise and Welfare(Economy).
3) What about our historical socialist origins? Are we socialist too?
4) Education, what educative system is better to be used in a right society?
5) Oppression or Freedom?
6) What about the democratic capitalist system?
7) German National Socialism or Italian/Spanish/Ungarian Fascism?

I hope you'll answer to these themes with your hearts this is the first thing to do to adfirme a true Post Fascist party.
We must see to the future without forget the past.

:!: Please introduce yourself before answering. :!:

I'm Marcel, the Leader and Chancellor of Marcelonia.

1. there is no need for religion since people only have to believe in the state, the leader is the state and therefore the leader is the law. Worshipping anyone but the leader is forbidden in Marcelonia.

2. in exchange for contributions to my party fund corporations may experience that everything is allowed in Marcelonia, as long as corporations are not trying to upstage the party.

3. socialism? :evil:

4. education means indoctrination from a young age, the leader and the party are one with the nation state. If u got money u can buy better eduation, because this must be stimulated of course as we don't want to be a nation of retards.

5. all the freedom the party allows.

6. democratic :lol:

7.probably the germanic version, but we do not discriminate between people of different races, simply because Marcelonia is a one race state, and that's the bottom line cuz Marcel said so 8)

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1) Religion and State.
2) Capitalism, Socialism, Corporative Entreprise and Welfare(Economy).
3) What about our historical socialist origins? Are we socialist too?
4) Education, what educative system is better to be used in a right society?
5) Oppression or Freedom?
6) What about the democratic capitalist system?
7) German National Socialism or Italian/Spanish/Ungarian Fascism?

The Patriarch of Interamnia, region: "Xen Team"

1)No Religion in the State, people must have his pure instinctual religion. The pure religion is simply the Mos Maiorum of our ancient.
2)I think maybe a welfare economy could be better in this new world but an old Corporative system is always a good solution.
3)I think if we hope in a better world we've the same hope of a better society where money is not the most important think but the honor and the loyalty. So we can be called Socialists too.
4)Educative system must be all public. Private Entreprise have to get out of this, all citoyens have the same possiblity of a good instruction. Obvius there will be some selection, but all this in full justice feeling.
5)Freedom and loyalty. Obvius all perversions are banned!
6)Too much perverted and false! :evil:
7) :twisted: Italian fascism is the first for of Fascism in this world so i think there's some thing better then in German National Socialism.
:twisted:
Thanks to all who answer!

1. Religion is neccesary for the people and can give credibility to the staate
2. Capitalism, laissez faire
3. irrelevant
4. Public and private education where the will of the government is rigoruisouly enforced
5. A little bit of both, you want your people to be able to live life but you dont want them thinking they can jsut do whatever they want and protest the government.
6. Gives the people too much power.
7. a combination of German and Italian.

This travesty cannot continue. You feigned-socialists are imbeciles and iniquitous tyrants. You are desecrating moderate socialism with your "national socialism." The result of which will be a disinsentive to the mass populace to convert to socialism. Aside from this, fascism doesn't work. Ever wonder why there aren't any fascist states???

This travesty cannot continue. You feigned-socialists are imbeciles and iniquitous tyrants. You are desecrating moderate socialism with your "national socialism." The result of which will be a disinsentive to the mass populace to convert to socialism. Aside from this, fascism doesn't work. Ever wonder why there aren't any fascist states???

it works, as long as you don't start a war you can't win. And there are plenty of fascistoid 'democracies' around even now in the 21st century.

I am Chief Socialist President Thomas Alexandri Ha'Goth, and I come on behalf of falsness on a Socialist Democracy.

Our Nation is a Socialist Democracy, not Communism, Facism, Capitalism, or other Imperialistic Regimes. You see, to us a Socialist Democracy is a Nation led by Its People, for Its People, and in Defense of the Peoples Will and Voice and Freedom.

Our People enjoy a long life of Freedoms set by those before them, the People before, the People whom shed their blood to create these lands from an Imperialist Empire. Freedom and Independence, Will and The Voice of The People, Long and Prosperous Life, and a Government founded and led by The People of the USSNR.

That is all I have to say, for we are not evil, just a Nation whose Government obeys the Peoples Will and Voice, Defending thier very Freedom, Independence, and Lives.

I would suggest the drafting of an anti-comintern pact to stand united versus the evils of communism/bolshevism.

Furthermore I'd like to quote from a speech I recently held at the Marcelonia City capital dome in front of 400000 party faithful:

before us, is Marcelonia
in us, marches Marcelonia
behind us, shines Marcelonia

one nation, one vision, one leader

I'm happy coz someone in this site answered to my query. This is important coz it gives me more hope to realize something better.
Now it's important to build the bases for a new mouvement in this game. The first thing to do it's to realize a new alliance!
Your propose was accepted!

I'm happy coz someone in this site answered to my query. This is important coz it gives me more hope to realize something better.
Now it's important to build the bases for a new mouvement in this game. The first thing to do it's to realize a new alliance!
Your propose was accepted!

Now it's important to build the bases for a new mouvement in this game. The first thing to do it's

I half expected you to launch in a tyrade about butchering the English language... :roll:

"Great...more Nazi's..."

"Isn't this like the 3293842389 meeting of Nazi's on NS?"

"Yeah...it's getting rather old..."

Who the flying Fart you calling a Nazi?!??!

national socialism = Nazi

go look it up

Facism isn't far off either

........I'm not a National Socialist State, I'm a Socialist Democracy, FAR from Nazism. Please don't call me a Nazi, I do not wish to....say bad things to a respectable Veteran Role Player! :shock:

........I'm not a National Socialist State, I'm a Socialist Democracy, FAR from Nazism. Please don't call me a Nazi, I do not wish to....say bad things to a respectable Veteran Role Player! :shock:

"Great...more Nazi's..."

"Isn't this like the 3293842389 meeting of Nazi's on NS?"

"Yeah...it's getting rather old..."

"Great more, ignorant stereo typing of political beliefs"

"Isnt that the infinite thing to do on NS?"

"Yeah kinda of annoying isnt it."

"Aye, it got old the first time it happened."

Now to my IC reparations.

Although Iraqstan doesnt truly embrace the national socialism of the nations listed it follows some of the basic fundamentals of National Socialism. Nature laid down the groundwork for which man must survive (As depicted in many many many National Sociliast documents I've read of late.)

Racial superiority is expressed in every way possible against the minority citizen state of the Um Lizaan peoples. Iraqstani born peoples are granted government favor above those of non-iraqstani descendance. Education is a tool for indoctrination and compulsion to serve the motherland until death makes service unattainable.

Economic growth is managed solely by the state. Corporations are run and goverened by the state, private enterprise is legal only in rare cases (IE money applied to the right people.) Policing of the masses rests solely on the military and government funded police agencies. Capital punishment is authorised for all crimes should it be found grevious enough.

The Iraqstani people enjoy limited civil freedom in return for security and economic power. Their standards of living are high and the work force is strong. Welfare is virtually an unknown since every Iraqstani household can support themselves through subsidisations in return for giving the state 100% of their income.

Democratic capitalism is something not discussed or known in Iraqstan and as such all other government ideals are outlawed. Religious wise Iraqstan is one of the oldest recorded nations to embrace sirithilism. The state sponsors the worship and has outlawed any other religious worship.

Of late there was a small but strong cult to the leader of the Immortal Shogunate of Reploid Productions but after an uprising by the peoples of Um Lizaa that worship was swiftly outlawed and the nation is now on Iraqstan's blacklist and currently in a state of conflict approaching war..

There's the basic break down of Iraqstan and on top of it all a proposed facist/National Socialism alliance pretty much already exists in the form of the Reich but it doesnt seem to do much. I also think too much in the way of violent aggression towards above states would cause the alliance to crumble which is also sad.

Carlos Quil'Raya
Führer of Iraqstan.

OOC: Also SB go look up National Socialism yourself. BEtter yet go read the whole reason behind the word nazi. It was a slurr name for the German National Socialist party. Let me retype that, for you. GERMAN National Socialist Party. AKA NAZI.

Kindly atleast find out where Nazi comes from before you begin sprouting the OMG NOEZ NAZI NATIONAL SOCIALISTS AAAAH. It gets quite annoying. I am by no means a Nazi since I wasnt around in the 30s and 40s when the german party was alive.

The wonderful nation of Vegana and the rest of the Great Region of The REICH will abstain from this meeting since it doesn't handle the most important issue; That of the subhumans. Until the important issue of species come into the agenda we don't believe that this fora matters.

the nation of Marcelonia concurs with Vegana that the future of the subhuman must also be addressed. it is inevitable in our struggle.

OOC: Also SB go look up National Socialism yourself. BEtter yet go read the whole reason behind the word nazi. It was a slurr name for the German National Socialist party. Let me retype that, for you. GERMAN National Socialist Party. AKA NAZI.

Kindly atleast find out where Nazi comes from before you begin sprouting the OMG NOEZ NAZI NATIONAL SOCIALISTS AAAAH. It gets quite annoying. I am by no means a Nazi since I wasnt around in the 30s and 40s when the german party was alive.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=National+Socialism

If you don't feel like clicking on it:

One entry found for national socialism.

Main Entry: national socialism
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized N&S
: NAZISM
- national socialist adjective, often capitalized N&S

So, following directions, one would click on Nazism

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=nazism

Once more...

Main Entry: Na·zism
Pronunciation: 'nät-"si-z&m, 'nat-
Variant(s): or Na·zi·ism /-sE-"i-z&m/
Function: noun
Etymology: Nazi + -ism
: the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the National Socialist German Workers' party in the Third German Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, state control of all industry, predominance of groups assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer

Merriam-Webster defined National Socialism as a synonym for Nazism. Now, you're telling me that both Merriam-Webster and I are wrong, but you're right?

Also, even if I was wrong, I by no means said/typed "OMG NOEZ NAZI NATIONAL SOCIALISTS AAAAH" or anything near that.

From what I hear, Iraqstan, you're a rather respected RPer around here. There's no need to get into a bitch-fest. Wouldn't you agree? I was merely commenting on the abundance of Neo-Nazi's on NS, and because I will never show any Nazi respect, I did not do so in my original post. Although, if you or whoever are not Nazis (or national socialists since we've already established that they are one in the same) then I have no problem with you.

Have a good day.

Whee I lost my cool apologies.

You supplied well researched stuff, kudos to that!

Again apologies for the jumping to the abuse but if you hadnt gathered I do quite often get annoyed with generalisations that go on. Admittedly alot of sources correct as they be do not take into account national socialism that happened before the nazi germany stint from which the word nazi sprung.

It was a slurr used to annoy the national socialist party yeah it also stuck and people categorise people into it when they hear national socialist. Admitted alot of people out there herald hitler as a hero to the idealology.

It's muclike the labels of stalinist and maoist people use to categorise communist believers, it's just one example of a core belief. I oocly am not so much a national socialist as people might think. I must admit some parts seem terrifingly appealing but the person I am cannot accept them as just. (If that makes sense)

Some days I'll say I'm a national socialist in no way connected to the German national socialist party or the nazi party. Other days I'll be a socialist, most a hippy pacifist. It irks me when people jump to judge due to the plethora of stereo types out there.

Again I aplogise I was quick to jump when usualy I'm not but of recent I've had to defend myself from the exact same things from people I once considered friends so it gets quite frustrating. I've fallen prety to a problem most NSers suffer one time or another, I bought RL in to affect the game.

Again I'm sorry, relly I am.

No problem, just had to defend myself there. :P

heheh aight no more hijacks for j00! :P this thread is now free to return to usual broadcasting.

*hands SB a special candy and runs off before it explodes* :mrgreen:

I want to apologize for my english, i don't write good coz i never studied english at school and i don't live in a anglosaxon country.

First of all i would know why in this forum who is not Fascist/National Socialist wrote something... Did we trouble you? Did we offend someone with what we wrote?
I think not coz we wrote only about our personal internal politics and i don't think ther's someone so stupid to be offended by a political discussion.

I would answer to whom don't want to take part of this forum coz here we don't speak about razism... I would to say that here it isn't possible to chat about these things coz our great "moderator staff" don't want we offend persons. Obvius they permit to other people to trouble us (if you want to know when it happened look up to National Socialist Europe and Vanguards tree mounts ago) but this is another matter...
I wanna advise the persons in these regions that our democratic rules don't allow any kind of discussion about razism in regions too.

Coming back to intruders, someone of you wrote that between National Socialism and Fascism ther's too much difference. I wanna say it's not true... this is a "Commune Locus"(latin) cause 1)if you see good Fascism used, in italy, racial laws only in 1938 and it went to power in 1922!
2) Fascism is older then National Socialism and used different economical/educational systems.
3)Differenty then National Socialism Fascism used not a the party as a governament above the governament, infact Fascism used directly the state and controlled all kind of Frei Korps.

If you don't want to accept this historical Truth it's the same.


However i would this forum to speak about the present and the future NOT THE PAST! I wanna understand why everytime we want to make a assemby we can't coz some person (who hates us without knowing us) want to chat about some bullshits.

About the present i repeat we must build new bases of a new international mouvement. Yes now all national(old sense) particularism must be forgot. This is my will so i ask a little bit more of seriusness!

I wanna say to all White Power nord amercan grups which say they are "nazist" that they are only a band of asshole coz they have not the suitable culture to be nazist. Infact they are loyal to their old protestant religious culture and democratic rules and they don't believe in nothing. They assemby themselfs in grups to be more strongs not to fight for a ideal! they are the shame of Neo Nazist jung mouvement of XXI century.

If you want to answer later what i wrote, proceed!