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In recent (NS) months, ViZion's Government, along with lawers, have been in a heated debate on rather to allow same-sex marrage, after a massive protect began in the capitol, ViZion City. Just days after that, people began to point out that this goes against our Constitution.

Today, it has been decided that on (RL time) Sunday, February 8th, 2004, same-sex marrages will become legal.

:shock: Ok,this is quite shocking,maybe not inmoral to you,but to us yes.

:shock: Ok,this is quite shocking,maybe not inmoral to you,but to us yes.

Our people gave is a very good question: What gives the Government the right to go against the Constitution (or, even if you don't have a Constitution, what gives the government the right) to arrest and prosicute people for having same-sex marrages.

To us, that is immoral, very wrong. We feel our people have that right to have same-sex marrages. Yes, to some religions, that may be a sin, but we will not restrict our people to whom they wish to marry due to love. They might not even belong to that religion.

Alright,just expressing my opinoin

Alright,just expressing my opinoin As we are (up for a debate?)

Alright,just expressing my opinoin As we are (up for a debate?)

No Thankyou for 2 reasons

1.You are more powerful than I and I dare not to godmod
2.Your a democracy right,do what the heck ever,just don't think you are going to get a pleasnt response about this,not with me tho

Alright,just expressing my opinoin As we are (up for a debate?)

No Thankyou for 2 reasons

1.You are more powerful than I and I dare not to godmod
2.Your a democracy right,do what the heck ever,just don't think you are going to get a pleasnt response about this,not with me tho lol, debate, not war (I was actually meaning an OOC debate)... Also, I know this is a contreversial issue... but, hey, we can sometimes be contreversial ;-) I wasn't exactly expecting a warm-welcome to this... which is partly why I posted it... interesting to hear what people say...

Population units exhibit a strange behavior known as "happiness" as a response to certain activities. It has been proven scientifically that population units afflicted with this "happiness" status have increased productivity, so by all means we encourage this status. However, its stimulii have proven to be varied, and one of said stimulii is a substatus of happiness known as "love". This "love" comes about due to different stimulii based on each individual population unit, some becoming afflicted with "love" upon meeting certain population individuals of gender 0, and others becoming afflicted with "love" upon meeting certain population individuals of gender 1. Individuals of gender 1 can either stimulate "love" from individuals from gender 1 or 0, or from both, and the opposite is true too. We see no reason to not allow "love" to occur, because that leads to "happiness" which leads to a higher production value. Nations that neglect this are simply illogical.

For rapists or child molesters or occasionally gay men, the criminal's limbs are tied so that their body is parallel to the ground and they are either facing the ground or the sky. Then, two speeders, with a huge metal spike attached between them, both hit top speed at the same time, ramming the blunt pole (7 inches in diameter) up the criminal's ass until it kills them.

Such marriages do not take place in the Empire. In fact, homosexuality is quite rare.

(Statement from the Ceremonial King of Aerion)

His Majesty King Wasterin VII applauds this development of human rights, and freedoms in ViZion. It is great for your people, and shows your preservation of principles in the face of ignorance.

Sincerely,
Riko Lan
His Majesty's Press Secretary

(No official statement from the Official Government of Aerion: The Prelacy, but it is rumored the King recently received an significant scolding from the Office of Royal Affairs (The official government office dealing with royal issues) concerning broadcasting his views on human rights)

In recent (NS) months, ViZion's Government, along with lawers, have been in a heated debate on rather to allow same-sex marrage, after a massive protect began in the capitol, ViZion City. Just days after that, people began to point out that this goes against our Constitution.

Today, it has been decided that on (RL time) Sunday, February 8th, 2004, same-sex marrages will become legal.

We support our friends, ViZion and are glad to see more nations allowing same sex marrage. We do not see this as a moral issue, but rather an issue of human rights. And it is the doctorine of the ANL that the people's civil rights must be protected and expanded.

My salutations to you, my friend.

Premier Quetzalcoatl
The Democratic Socialist Union of the Aztec National League

Well, since my people have little to no say in my "father knows best state" I decide almost everything. While I personally feel that relations with the same sex is disgusting and unnatural, it is merely my opinion. Being an atheist, there is no religious conflict to this matter.

If, or when, this matter comes up in my nation, I would, for once, allow the people of my nation to vote on the matter. Such a topic cannot be decided by a single dictator.

For rapists or child molesters or occasionally gay men, the criminal's limbs are tied so that their body is parallel to the ground and they are either facing the ground or the sky. Then, two speeders, with a huge metal spike attached between them, both hit top speed at the same time, ramming the blunt pole (7 inches in diameter) up the criminal's ass until it kills them.

Such marriages do not take place in the Empire. In fact, homosexuality is quite rare. I saw that in your post in the threat about crimes and punishment. Do you do that to all your homosexuals, or just those who commit crimes other then homosexuality?

Well, since my people have little to no say in my "father knows best state" I decide almost everything. While I personally feel that relations with the same sex is disgusting and unnatural, it is merely my opinion. Being an atheist, there is no religious conflict to this matter.

If, or when, this matter comes up in my nation, I would, for once, allow the people of my nation to vote on the matter. Such a topic cannot be decided by a single dictator. We would like to applaud you for that move. We are glad to see that not all rules will decide who can marry who.

In recent (NS) months, ViZion's Government, along with lawers, have been in a heated debate on rather to allow same-sex marrage, after a massive protect began in the capitol, ViZion City. Just days after that, people began to point out that this goes against our Constitution.

Today, it has been decided that on (RL time) Sunday, February 8th, 2004, same-sex marrages will become legal.

We support our friends, ViZion and are glad to see more nations allowing same sex marrage. We do not see this as a moral issue, but rather an issue of human rights. And it is the doctorine of the ANL that the people's civil rights must be protected and expanded.

My salutations to you, my friend.

Premier Quetzalcoatl
The Democratic Socialist Union of the Aztec National League Thank you. We are glad to see that nations support us, especially nations such as yours that we have become friends with.

(Statement from the Ceremonial King of Aerion)

His Majesty King Wasterin VII applauds this development of human rights, and freedoms in ViZion. It is great for your people, and shows your preservation of principles in the face of ignorance.

Sincerely,
Riko Lan
His Majesty's Press Secretary

(No official statement from the Official Government of Aerion: The Prelacy, but it is rumored the King recently received an significant scolding from the Office of Royal Affairs (The official government office dealing with royal issues) concerning broadcasting his views on human rights) We are glad to know there are fellow leaders supporting this, but we would like to hear what the Government in Aerion feels about this developement in ViZion.

For rapists or child molesters or occasionally gay men, the criminal's limbs are tied so that their body is parallel to the ground and they are either facing the ground or the sky. Then, two speeders, with a huge metal spike attached between them, both hit top speed at the same time, ramming the blunt pole (7 inches in diameter) up the criminal's ass until it kills them.

Such marriages do not take place in the Empire. In fact, homosexuality is quite rare. I saw that in your post in the threat about crimes and punishment. Do you do that to all your homosexuals, or just those who commit crimes other then homosexuality?

Homosexuality has long been considered a taboo of sorts in the Empire, and frankly it is rare that a native born homosexual lives in the Empire. He or she is either caught, and punished, or he or she already left. The people of the Empire do not have many civil rights as it is. Now, like I said in the other thread, most homosexuals caught are simply killed. However, if the Emperor wishes to make an example, he will order the public execution.

I know that's hard to fathom in the real world, but I didn't simply give my nation a new name and pretend it's another America. It has a culture and a history all of its own.

For rapists or child molesters or occasionally gay men, the criminal's limbs are tied so that their body is parallel to the ground and they are either facing the ground or the sky. Then, two speeders, with a huge metal spike attached between them, both hit top speed at the same time, ramming the blunt pole (7 inches in diameter) up the criminal's ass until it kills them.

Such marriages do not take place in the Empire. In fact, homosexuality is quite rare. I saw that in your post in the threat about crimes and punishment. Do you do that to all your homosexuals, or just those who commit crimes other then homosexuality?

Homosexuality has long been considered a taboo of sorts in the Empire, and frankly it is rare that a native born homosexual lives in the Empire. He or she is either caught, and punished, or he or she already left. The people of the Empire do not have many civil rights as it is. Now, like I said in the other thread, most homosexuals caught are simply killed. However, if the Emperor wishes to make an example, he will order the public execution.

I know that's hard to fathom in the real world, but I didn't simply give my nation a new name and pretend it's another America. It has a culture and a history all of its own. Alright

(Unofficial comment from an government official of Aerion)

The Prelacy holds no official stance on homosexuality. As long as a person is not traiterous to party principles, or threatens the government in any way then they are allowed to do as mostly as they wish in their personal lives providing they are productive, and pay their taxes. Public declarations that cause disruptions, or the formation of homosexuality rights groups (or any semi-political or idealistic groups for that matter) is discouraged.

Off the record,
Iden Kwl`Ask
Asst. Deputy Minister of Information

We of Sketch find this news to be very distressing. The very idea of "same sex marrigaes" goes against our moral grain. Homosexuality is considered to be un-natural, immoral, and just plain disgusting. We strongly advise any and all practitioners of deviant behavior to take care never to visit our lands. We likewise strongly encourage all those who have embraced homosexuality to repent their sins and renounce their evil ways. Our lawyers and counsolers are standing by to assist any who need help against this tide of twisted humanity.

ooc: don't even ask me anything oocly, I won't touch it with a ten foot long pole.

We of Sketch find this news to be very distressing. The very idea of "same sex marrigaes" goes against our moral grain. Homosexuality is considered to be un-natural, immoral, and just plain disgusting. We strongly advise any and all practitioners of deviant behavior to take care never to visit our lands. We likewise strongly encourage all those who have embraced homosexuality to repent their sins and renounce their evil ways. Our lawyers and counsolers are standing by to assist any who need help against this tide of twisted humanity.

ooc: don't even ask me anything oocly, I won't touch it with a ten foot long pole.
(In a message to Sketch)
"Hello Sketch. We know this is a contrevercial move we have made, as some feel that it is a sin. We feel differently. Yes, some religions may hey, 'Hey! You can't do that! That's a sin!' We feel it should be up to those whom are involved in these relationships to determine rather they wish to marry or not. Love is love. We will not get imbetween love. Who are we, the Government that is, to say that those who love eachother cannot get married, rather is be homosexual, same or different race, religion, etc.

As the protested shouted, 'Why should homosexual marrages be grounds for arrest and prosicution?!'

Thank you,

Chiefy,
Head of State of ViZion; Full supporter of this move"

(In a message to Sketch)
"Hello Sketch. We know this is a contrevercial move we have made, as some feel that it is a sin. We feel differently. Yes, some religions may hey, 'Hey! You can't do that! That's a sin!' We feel it should be up to those whom are involved in these relationships to determine rather they wish to marry or not. Love is love. We will not get imbetween love. Who are we, the Government that is, to say that those who love eachother cannot get married, rather is be homosexual, same or different race, religion, etc.

As the protested shouted, 'Why should homosexual marrages be grounds for arrest and prosicution?!'

Thank you,

Chiefy,
Head of State of ViZion; Full supporter of this move"

Controversial does not even begin to cover it, Cheify. This has nothing to do with religion, as Sketch has banned those a long time ago as well. In Sketch, the laws are based on a strict moral code. Any deviation from the code is considered to be an act of treason against the state. Homosexuality is just one of many such deviations. The concept of "love", while not foreign to our peoples, is very different than that of other societies. Those who "love" find a way to do so within the confines of our code. Those who cannot cope with our ways will be purged with the rest of the infidels.

(In a message to Sketch)
"Hello Sketch. We know this is a contrevercial move we have made, as some feel that it is a sin. We feel differently. Yes, some religions may hey, 'Hey! You can't do that! That's a sin!' We feel it should be up to those whom are involved in these relationships to determine rather they wish to marry or not. Love is love. We will not get imbetween love. Who are we, the Government that is, to say that those who love eachother cannot get married, rather is be homosexual, same or different race, religion, etc.

As the protested shouted, 'Why should homosexual marrages be grounds for arrest and prosicution?!'

Thank you,

Chiefy,
Head of State of ViZion; Full supporter of this move"

Controversial does not even begin to cover it, Cheify. This has nothing to do with religion, as Sketch has banned those a long time ago as well. In Sketch, the laws are based on a strict moral code. Any deviation from the code is considered to be an act of treason against the state. Homosexuality is just one of many such deviations. The concept of "love", while not foreign to our peoples, is very different than that of other societies. Those who "love" find a way to do so within the confines of our code. Those who cannot cope with our ways will be purged with the rest of the infidels.

Then I have an offer to you. Those who commit crimes such as love, rather homosexual or otherwise, we shall take them off of your hands and let them live their life the way they wish to here in ViZion.

Then I have an offer to you. Those who commit crimes such as love, rather homosexual or otherwise, we shall take them off of your hands and let them live their life the way they wish to here in ViZion.

While your offer is certainly generous and quite the humanitarian effort, it cannot be allowed. Non-conformist must be made into examples for all the rest of the world to see. Deviance will not be tolerated. Homosexuality is a sin, and like all sins, it must be exposed to the light and made pure. May the holy fire burn away all that is tainted.

ooc: I hope you don't mide me going off on a wacko bend :wink:

Then I have an offer to you. Those who commit crimes such as love, rather homosexual or otherwise, we shall take them off of your hands and let them live their life the way they wish to here in ViZion.

While your offer is certainly generous and quite the humanitarian effort, it cannot be allowed. Non-conformist must be made into examples for all the rest of the world to see. Deviance will not be tolerated. Homosexuality is a sin, and like all sins, it must be exposed to the light and made pure. May the holy fire burn away all that is tainted.

ooc: I hope you don't mide me going off on a wacko bend :wink: OOC: NP ;-)
IC:
"And I am assuming the example is by killing? If so, please explain to us how that cleanses the people of their sin, and how it does not sin your own government for doing just that? Is killing not a sin?"

"And I am assuming the example is by killing? If so, please explain to us how that cleanses the people of their sin, and how it does not sin your own government for doing just that? Is killing not a sin?"

You ask if it is a sin to purge all that is sinful. I shall ask this of you - is it not a greater sin to tolerate sin? To observe the sinful nature of man, and to do nothing about it - that is the greatest sin of all. Each passing moment brings mankind deeper into the clutches of darkness and depravity. We, Sketch, is the last bastion of defense against the endless hordes of all that is evil. We shall conquer all and deliver the masses from their plight. We shall cast righteous judgement upon all that we see. Soon, the day of rekonning shall arrive, and the holy light will rid this world of the vile filth.

ooc: last post for the night. Sorry to cut and run, but its 0200 here and I have an 0800 to go to :?

"And I am assuming the example is by killing? If so, please explain to us how that cleanses the people of their sin, and how it does not sin your own government for doing just that? Is killing not a sin?"

You ask if it is a sin to purge all that is sinful. I shall ask this of you - is it not a greater sin to tolerate sin? To observe the sinful nature of man, and to do nothing about it - that is the greatest sin of all. Each passing moment brings mankind deeper into the clutches of darkness and depravity. We, Sketch, is the last bastion of defense against the endless hordes of all that is evil. We shall conquer all and deliver the masses from their plight. We shall cast righteous judgement upon all that we see. Soon, the day of rekonning shall arrive, and the holy light will rid this world of the vile filth.
Is it a sin to purge these people. If they truly love each other, we feel there is no sin. We uphold the right of the people to love who they love, no matter their race, religion, gender, etc.

It may be in your view a sin, but to us, if two people love eachother, it is not a sin. What IS a sin, to anyone and everyone, is what you do to the people you believe are sinners.

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To the Nations of the World,

Ever since the formation of the Armed Republic of Khallaca III in the Year of Our Lord 1949 all homosexual activity has been declared illegal, execution is only used in the most extreme cases because as Christians we must show compassion in such a case (Love the Sinner but hate the Sin). Since the formation of the Homosexual Investigation of Possible Cures Board (HIPCB) they have worked day and night to understand the mechanics of Homosexuality and to find a cure for it. The means in which to find the cure are Eyes Only Material for HIPCB officials and for key government executives. We hope to one day find a cure for Homosexuality to save the benign souls of all those infected by it.


Grand Lady Claudia Wulf
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/e32003/silenthill3_thumb018.jpg
The Armed Republic of Khallaca III
The Protectorate of St Vroda

To the Nations of the World,

Ever since the formation of the Armed Republic of Khallaca III in the Year of Our Lord 1949 all homosexual activity has been declared illegal, execution is only used in the most extreme cases because as Christians we must show compassion in such a case (Love the Sinner but hate the Sin). Since the formation of the Homosexual Investigation of Possible Cures Board (HIPCB) they have worked day and night to understand the mechanics of Homosexuality and to find a cure for it. The means in which to find the cure are Eyes Only Material for HIPCB officials and for key government executives. We hope to one day find a cure for Homosexuality to save the benign souls of all those infected by it.


Grand Lady Claudia Wulf
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/e32003/silenthill3_thumb018.jpg
The Armed Republic of Khallaca III
The Protectorate of St Vroda

Well, if you find a "cure" for homosexuality, you would most likely have found a "cure" for love completely. That is one scary thought.

We've found a cure for homosexuality as well...


... .45 in the head is what the doctors prescribe.

We've found a cure for homosexuality as well...


... .45 in the head is what the doctors prescribe. As I said above... that's a scary thought... because, you have probably found a "cure" for love... that means people could not love... then, no more babies!

But... that's starting to get off topic a bit... more reactions from the Int'l Community please!

RomeW supports this. In fact, as a show of this support, we wish to send someone to take in the first ever gay marriage in ViZion.

RomeW supports this. In fact, as a show of this support, we wish to send someone to take in the first ever gay marriage in ViZion. We are honored by this. If they plan to get married first in ViZion, then let them. :-)

We applaud the enlioghtened stance of ViZion. Same-sex marraige is increasingly common in our country -- in fact, it is a leading attraction for foreign tourists!

To the government of Khallaca III, working on a "cure for homosexuality," we offer our research on the "cure for homophobia."

A bored Kell Lord turns on the video screen to some Terran entertainment form. He actually catches the news...

He seems confused mating is for procreation and alliance. How can two males or females of the Terran species procreate. As far as I understand none of our Terran's have been found to same-sex procreate. Or does the need of alliance between famlies demand such unions? This is quite intresting.
"Markark go fetch the two terran female servants that clean the dishes, I wish to see them mate!"

We applaud this act. One our nation's goals is to provide equality and tolerance for all different groups - and that includes homosexuals.

RomeW supports this. In fact, as a show of this support, we wish to send someone to take in the first ever gay marriage in ViZion. We are honored by this. If they plan to get married first in ViZion, then let them. :-)

Thank you. We shall send some couples over to ViZion to get married.

A bored Kell Lord turns on the video screen to some Terran entertainment form. He actually catches the news...

He seems confused mating is for procreation and alliance. How can two males or females of the Terran species procreate. As far as I understand none of our Terran's have been found to same-sex procreate. Or does the need of alliance between famlies demand such unions? This is quite intresting.
"Markark go fetch the two terran female servants that clean the dishes, I wish to see them mate!" OOC: lol, tooooo funny

We applaud the enlioghtened stance of ViZion. Same-sex marraige is increasingly common in our country -- in fact, it is a leading attraction for foreign tourists!

To the government of Khallaca III, working on a "cure for homosexuality," we offer our research on the "cure for homophobia." Yes, we've found that to be quite true, about tourism.

We applaud this act. One our nation's goals is to provide equality and tolerance for all different groups - and that includes homosexuals. We are glad to see fellow nations whom believe in this civil right.

RomeW supports this. In fact, as a show of this support, we wish to send someone to take in the first ever gay marriage in ViZion. We are honored by this. If they plan to get married first in ViZion, then let them. :-)

Thank you. We shall send some couples over to ViZion to get married. We have recieved many requests from your people for same-sex marrage in ViZion.