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The Space Empire of Foe Hammer, working with Foe Hammer Shipyards, currently producing the Eagle GravCarrier, has begun working on a new model of high-capacity, durable and well-armed Dropships for planetary operations.

The Hammerian GravVessel Project, codenamed Operation Cypher, vows to make Foe Hammer's armada the strongest on the Sea, in the Air and in the void of Space. These vessels of Operation Cypher have the ability to sail the seven (million) seas of Earth, soar through the skies of any planet, and cruise through the infinite void of Space.

The Zion-class Anti-Gravity dropship is nearly twice the size of current Foe Hammer Dropships. This Dropship is powered by a rather small Plasma Power Generator, which powers both the Weapons system and the Anti-Grav device along the bottom of the ship. Its powerful engines put out a couple hundred thousand pounds of thrust combined. Fueled by Xenon gases, the Ion engines work to propel the vessel in the Air, and in Space. How does this vessel work in the sea, you ask? Simple. Small devices along the bottom of the vessel are designed to contain a column of Ionized air. This provides more than enough support, even with the Dropship at maximum operational capacity.

And, as usual, a section for those who hate to read long posts -
http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload7/drophover.jpg
Length- 120 Feet
Width- 100 Feet
Height- 30 Feet
Defense- Five .50 Caliber Autocannons, Two Archer Missile Pods (12 Missiles per Pod)
Capacity- 8 M-5 Main Battle Tanks (If no troops), 80 Fully-armed Foe Hammer Marines (If no Tanks)
Armor- Carbon Nanotube Sheeting, 3 inches
Engines- F-93 Pulsejet Thrusters (Four)
Power Systems- One Plasma Power Generator

meh... BUMP.

Could I have one of thems?

lol

Join the Hammerian Protectorate and you will.

:shock: ...can I touch it?

Lol.
Join the Hammerian Protectorate and you can.

People, this is the type of technology that Protectorate members receive regularly.

Lol.
Join the Hammerian Protectorate and you can.

I mean Can I have one?

lol

Join the Hammerian Protectorate and you will.

But I'm, like, a few months older than you. Why do I need your protection?

You don't have to join just for my protection. You can join for the benefits, and to aid in defense of younger, weaker nations.

And by the way, I'm a 1.6 billion April Nation.

LRB, you can get my protection, seeing as im in the protectorate. hey, foe hammer, check your t-grams.

Nearly looks like a match for the Talons or the Overlords we have.

-Kurita Clan Council

Yes, however, the Overlords do not require the everybody to blatently disregard all laws of physics. Or heck, at least he could have actually made up something that made sense.

This Dropship is powered by a rather small Plasma Power Generator

Uhhh... Okay. Do you even know what PLASMA is by any chance? Do a wee bit of research before spouting off such nonsense. If you do not know what plasma is, it is basically highly ionized gas, much like fire or lightning.

Fueled by Xenon gases, the Ion engines work to propel the vessel in the Air, and in Space.

This deserves a hearty round of laughter. The reason why NASA just lurvs the ion engines is because of how effecient it is. Ion engines are snails compared to todays thermochemical rockets. Not something you want to put into your dropships. Imagine what Normandy would be like if the soldiers had to use wooden paddels instead of actual engines in order to smash into the beaches.

Small devices along the bottom of the vessel are designed to contain a column of Ionized air.

Say what...? Why would you want to go into the sea at all, if you could just hover in the air?

Oh well, be a nice target for the Mr. Nukey.

- Sovy K.

I guess I will join, then. I need all the help I can get to destroy dozle. And I plan to kill him so thoroughly........

Yes, however, the Overlords do not require the everybody to blatently disregard all laws of physics. Or heck, at least he could have actually made up something that made sense.

This Dropship is powered by a rather small Plasma Power Generator

Uhhh... Okay. Do you even know what PLASMA is by any chance? Do a wee bit of research before spouting off such nonsense. If you do not know what plasma is, it is basically highly ionized gas, much like fire or lightning.

Fueled by Xenon gases, the Ion engines work to propel the vessel in the Air, and in Space.

This deserves a hearty round of laughter. The reason why NASA just lurvs the ion engines is because of how effecient it is. Ion engines are snails compared to todays thermochemical rockets. Not something you want to put into your dropships. Imagine what Normandy would be like if the soldiers had to use wooden paddels instead of actual engines in order to smash into the beaches.

Small devices along the bottom of the vessel are designed to contain a column of Ionized air.

Say what...? Why would you want to go into the sea at all, if you could just hover in the air?

Oh well, be a nice target for the Mr. Nukey.

- Sovy K.

LOL!

1) Shut up, you arrogant n00b. Of course I know what the fuck Plasma is. I suggest you think before you shoot your mouth off again. Such ignorance to common sense will get your nation stomped into the sand one day.

2) Let's see, NASA's Ion engines, as used on a deep space probe which only recently (A year or two ago, I believe) completed it's mission, were built sometime around '96-'98.

My Ion Engines, used on this dropship, were built some time around 2580 A.D.

Yeah, hmm... I think about 500 years of technology would make a substantial difference in the way things work.

3) It doesn't go IN the sea, you arrogant twit. It simply hovers above the water level, allowing for all sorts of rafts, and possibly even a small Hovercraft cruise up into the hold. Therefore, we classify it as being used in Sea operations.

I suggest you begin to respect your elders, and see that there is a substantial difference in technology levels. I'm using Gravships, for christ's sake, I have one of the largest Space Vessel Armadas in Nationstates, I regularly colonize other planets, and you're saying my Ion Drive Systems are limited to '90's technology?!

Shut up, you arrogant n00b.

I'd suggest rewording that. Sovy has been around a much longer time than you. Not to mention that he's been RPing in another NS board and has more than twice the number of IC posts than you do.

Sov was merely suggesting facts that would make the ship follow the laws of physics.

So perhaps you should follow what you preach and begin to respect your elders you arrogant twit.

Comrade Brethren Hammer, we, the USSNR, wish to ask that we recieve one Dropship for testing purposes. In return, we shall give you a prototype of a Space Battleship, in which is our second construted.

As we are a Modern-Tech nation, we have experimented with Near-Futuristic tech in hopes that we will help the survivability of our warships, which is mainly the only type of chassis mounted with experimental technology, HIGHLY experimental, so far. Submarines are no expection, we have successfully used a Hydrogen Fuel Cell reactor on a sub constructed after the Russian/Soviet Project 641 Foxtrot, and is called the XS-02 Foxtrot-II Experimental Submarine.

If you would like one of these submarines, warships, or anything else in return for a trade for a dropship, please telegram me and we shall discuss in time the problems and solutions of this.

Thank you,
Chief Socialist President Thomas Alexandri Ha'Goth

Foe Hammer:

I'll ignore the rude commentary from you. However, I would recommend that you read up on what plasma is, and the applications of plasma, before you spout off any more falsehoods about our 4th state of matter.

My Ion Engines, used on this dropship, were built some time around 2580 A.D.

Then why are you still operating with ion engines? 500 years of work would have surely made the ion engine obsolete.

Yeah, hmm... I think about 500 years of technology would make a substantial difference in the way things work.

If that were the case, we would still be using vacuum tubes to run our personal computers. Refer to my previous point about developping better ways to travel. Oh, and read up on how ion engines actually work before spouting off lies like that.

Therefore, we classify it as being used in Sea operations.

So, we should be classifying aircraft as land vehicles since they can taxi now? Your scheme of classifying vessels is obviouslly skewed.

I'm using Gravships, for christ's sake, I have one of the largest Space Vessel Armadas in Nationstates, I regularly colonize other planets, and you're saying my Ion Drive Systems are limited to '90's technology?!

That is nice. Still doesn't change the fact that you are making up lies and blatently disregarding all laws of physics, or heck, thermodynamics even. You obviouslly should get an education in such fields if you wish to be taken even remotely seriouslly.

And yes, there ARE limits to the application of technology. It is the reason why we are not still using vacuum tubes in our computers.

- Sovy K.

Shut up, you arrogant n00b.

I'd suggest rewording that. Sovy has been around a much longer time than you. Not to mention that he's been RPing in another NS board and has more than twice the number of IC posts than you do.

Sov was merely suggesting facts that would make the ship follow the laws of physics.

So perhaps you should follow what you preach and begin to respect your elders you arrogant twit.

What he said, especially since Sovy knows what he's talking about in regards to science 95% of the time.

Foe Hammer:
My Ion Engines, used on this dropship, were built some time around 2580 A.D.

Then why are you still operating with ion engines? 500 years of work would have surely made the ion engine obsolete.

Yeah, hmm... I think about 500 years of technology would make a substantial difference in the way things work.

If that were the case, we would still be using vacuum tubes to run our personal computers. Refer to my previous point about developping better ways to travel. Oh, and read up on how ion engines actually work before spouting off lies like that.


- Sovy K.

Okay, let me first start off by noting that I did NOT point out that advances in technology are spread out evenly throughout the 500 years. After a few years, you may have invented a COMPLETELY different system for Ion Engines, and you may end up with nothing but failure for the next 200 years. And who gives a damn if we use Ion Engines? It's a feasible form of propulsion, our Ion drives are MUCH different than current standards, and you do nothing but assume that our technology is somehow inferior because it's based off of modern technology, with a few exceptions.

I AM informed on how an Ion Engine operates. I must respectfully ask that you quit assuming that everyone is inferior to you in knowledge.

And I did NOT lie. Ion engines work by ejecting positive ions of the Xenon gas out of the back of the engine, propelling the object forward, at a rather low speed, about equal to a piece of paper in your hand. Ion engines may be slow Acceleration-wise, but they'll get you going pretty farking fast in the long run. And this is simply a BASIC MODEL, outlining the design features. The current GravDropships we're constructing are testbeds for possible engines, some being fitted with SSME Rocket Engines, the type used on the US Space Shuttles, Nuclear Fission, Nuclear Fusion, etc.

Now shut up and get out of my thread.

*Grabs broom* Go on!

Shut up, you arrogant n00b.

I'd suggest rewording that. Sovy has been around a much longer time than you. Not to mention that he's been RPing in another NS board and has more than twice the number of IC posts than you do.

Sov was merely suggesting facts that would make the ship follow the laws of physics.

So perhaps you should follow what you preach and begin to respect your elders you arrogant twit.

What he said, especially since Sovy knows what he's talking about in regards to science 95% of the time.

That still leaves a 1/20th (5%) chance of "Sovy" being wrong.

Antigrav is one-hundred-percent feasible.

Shut up, you arrogant n00b.

I'd suggest rewording that. Sovy has been around a much longer time than you. Not to mention that he's been RPing in another NS board and has more than twice the number of IC posts than you do.

Sov was merely suggesting facts that would make the ship follow the laws of physics.

So perhaps you should follow what you preach and begin to respect your elders you arrogant twit.

What he said, especially since Sovy knows what he's talking about in regards to science 95% of the time.

That still leaves a 1/20th (5%) chance of "Sovy" being wrong.

Antigrav is one-hundred-percent feasible.

I could use a few of those butes

I could use a few of those butes

Hear that? It is time to discuss ion engines and other technological fables with our dear guest, Foe Hammer!

After a few years, you may have invented a COMPLETELY different system for Ion Engines, and you may end up with nothing but failure for the next 200 years.

Completely different? Then wouldn't it be safe to say that your 'ion engines', are infact, no longer ion engines? Face it, there are limitations to technology. There is absolutely no possible way to create an ion engine that could be used in such operations like dropships. Furthermore, ion engines cannot work in the earths atmosphere. Yes, this is infact true at the most basic levels.

It's a feasible form of propulsion, our Ion drives are MUCH different than current standards, and you do nothing but assume that our technology is somehow inferior because it's based off of modern technology, with a few exceptions.

Actually, the principle behind the ion engine dictates that it would be a poor form of propulsion for carrying out short bursts, as such would be the case with dropships. Infact, you'd need:

1. A big, big engine to keep pressure low.
2. A power supply and electrical system that can handle the stress.

Aw, heck, since you won't understand by explaining it to you, I guess I'll have to do the math.

In today's engines, a 40 cm diameter xenon ion engine carries out 20 millinewtons of thrust. 20,000ths of a pound, if you want to say that. The area that the engine takes up is 1256 cm^2.

Now, we'll say that your engine is soooooo powerful. Infact, it is so powerful that for 1256 cm^2 of engine that you have, you can come up with 2 pounds of thrust. This is 40,000 times more powerful than todays ion engines. We're pumping out those ions at an estimated 1.2 million KM a second!

Now

120*100*30 ft = 360,000 ft square of estimated body. However, I'll be fair and carve that down to 150,000 ft square.

The density weight of the craft would be about 0.5 pounds per square foot. So the craft would weigh about 75,000 pounds. A very generous number, to say the least.

Now, the DS1, the craft using today's modern xenon engines, if at maximum thrust would be able to go from 0 to 60 mph in 40 hours. The craft weighs 1000 pounds.

Doing some quick math, if the craft was using the uberIon engine that I though up, it would be able to go from 0 to 17 mile per hour in one second.

However, calculation the extra 74,000 pounds, the calculations come up to being a total acceleration of 0.8 miles per hour.

So, of course, we have to increase the size of these engines! With an additional 3 engines, the speed is bumped up to 3.2 miles per hour acceleration.

Awwww... Well, in order to make a feasible dropship that can at least dodge and maneuver, it would need to have at least a 500 miles per hour acceleration. So this calls for a 155x increase in size per engine.

Now, in our previous calculation where we calculated the size of the engine to be 1256 cm^2. So, times that up to 196,250 cm^2 sized engines.

Doing some reverse calculations, the size of EACH of the engines that are needed to at least dodge incoming weapons would be 5 metres wide in diameter. Or, in other words, 18 feet wide. Lets not even get into the fact that I am not even including the payload on the craft. Heck, the Boeing 747 weighs around 100,000 kilograms, which is around 220,000 pounds.

So, yes, after all of that, I still have my doubts.

Oh, another thing.

Antigrav is one-hundred-percent feasible.

Prove it.

- Sovy K.

I love Sovy and his numbers!

Its true, Ion Engines are horribly in-effective thrust per pound wise. Sure they are feasible, but they are in-effective and completely useless for a dropship.

My suggestion is that you use perhaps some sort of turbofans as secondary engines for athmospheric operation and then perhaps some plasma thruster or simply pseudo-scientific drive as primary drive system.