NationStates Jolt Archive

Lead Rain have heard of the nuke ban for nations less than 100,000 population. But in an efort to not make waves we need to know what other forms of wepons have been baned from NS.

Everything is banned: small arms, tanks, aircraft and ships... pretty much anything more threatening than a piece of string. Dictators don't get string though, we don't trust them with it.

No chemical, biological or nukes are generally allowed until that magical 100mil mark. Some exceptions have been made.

you can have bio, chem, and nuclear weapons anytime in the game, but you must be mature when using them in RPs, same rule applies with future tech.

if you say you have bio and chem weapons, nations in the UN might get angry at you

In addition, usage of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons have been known to elicit massive responses from other nations...

Everything is banned: small arms, tanks, aircraft and ships... pretty much anything more threatening than a piece of string. Dictators don't get string though, we don't trust them with it.

*plays with his string*

PlanetKiller weapons (Weapons built for destroying planets), and nukes owned by nations under 100million in population.

Other than that, anything is allowed.

In addition, usage of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons have been known to elicit massive responses from other nations...

Not true, I've lost count how many times I have used Nerve Agents and Thermonuclear weapons in the past on civilian populations and not once have I gotten responses out of the attacks.

No weapon is banned, except for the aforementioned prerequisite for nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs

Any grandiose weapon has to be researched IC and justified

You can just up and decide you have a cyborg mutant assassin, I heard that GenEn (genetic engineered) soldiers are ignored, but maybe not. Also, Past, Modern and Future tech nations don’t normally interact with each other in a wartime bases, as a modern tech nation would be slaughtered by orbital bombardment, and a pasty tech nation would die by a modern tech nations jet fighters. There’s exceptions tot his too

Any attempt to Godmod, see sticky announcements for explanations if you need it, is ignored, so that’s “banned” you can have it, but no one will pay attention to it

It depends son a case-by-case situation. Anything that’s ignored is “banished” not “banned” and just try and keep it realistic and you’ll be fine

In addition, usage of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons have been known to elicit massive responses from other nations...

Not true, I've lost count how many times I have used Nerve Agents and Thermonuclear weapons in the past on civilian populations and not once have I gotten responses out of the attacks.

yoou just have to scare people into thinking youll nuke them if they do anything about it and not be like "OMG I JUST TERROR ATTACKED SO AND SO WITH NUKES!"

yoou just have to scare people into thinking youll nuke them if they do anything about it and not be like "OMG I JUST TERROR ATTACKED SO AND SO WITH NUKES!"

I never had to scare people since no one has ever said anything about my attacks on large cities, I once wiped out 25 million civilians in one go and all it got me was lots of money from that nation so I wouldn't do it to them again.

AND WHO GAVE YOU THAT STRING?

LOL. I wiped out 3 countries with nukes and threatened everyone who said they would intervene with nuclear annilahation.

Oi! I need my arsenal.

Question i dont really nkow the answer to

Who REALLY follows the UN resolutions?

Question i dont really nkow the answer to

Who REALLY follows the UN resolutions?

Well, I don't... Is there anyone who actually does?

Actually, there are far more factors then just your population. While that is a quick rule of thumb, there are many exceptions.

Attacks and uses that are extensively well roleplayed are more likely to be accepted as valid IC actions.

Limited attacks are much more likely to be accepted as well, no one wants to loose their entire nation....

Basically, more effort = more acceptance as valid. HOWEVER, acceptance by players (OOC) does not mean acceptance by characters (IC). This is the "OK, I recognize your attack, but now I'm going to do something about it IC" response.

Generally speaking, you get more massive responses for who you attack.

Example: NYNJ (a respected player) recently launched a full 1600 tactical (1 kiloton) fusion warheads at ADK (a less then respected but known player). Who complained? No one. This was partly because of who NYNJ is (a recognized good RPer) and who ADK is (a recognized godmoder and numberwanker).

Be carefull hitting people alligned with respected players too. Hitting Aelosia or Tor Yvresse wouldn't be ICly acceptable to nations like Menelmacar because both are allied elf nations. Neither Aelosia nor Tor Yvresse are truely "superpowers" in NS, but attacking them still has serious consequences.

So you could use nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons no matter your size...as long as you RP well, do not put the entire target nation in jepordy, and pick your target carefully.


Personally, I've only ever used nuclear weapons once, and completely shun biological and chemical (other then tear/sleep agents) weapons...though like most nations, I am always ready to use them in defense.

Best of luck!

-The Cardboard Avenger


EDIT: Note that basic chemical weapons are very easy to make. You or I could easily make Chlorine or Cyanide gas in real life. It isn't a nation killer, but could certainly kill many in a crowd or be used to assassinate a target. Also, terrorists in the real world have already used both biological and chemical weapons (in the form of Anthrax in the US, nerve gas in Japan, and even smallpox durring the US's western expansion...with churches giving infected blankets to Native Americans....).

Question i dont really nkow the answer to

Who REALLY follows the UN resolutions?

Well, I don't... Is there anyone who actually does?


thats what i thought :D

would anti matter weapons be allowed? i was told that they were illegal.

i dont think so, not for modren tech, maybe future tech, i dont know though......they're like UBER nukes really, but im really sure they wouldnt be allowed for modren tech

i dont think so, not for modren tech, maybe future tech, i dont know though......they're like UBER nukes really, but im really sure they wouldnt be allowed for modren tech

Yes, only to future-tech and nations above 750 million...

not even small anti matter beams? :(

i didnt know about the population requirement there...

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...
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Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...

:roll: :shock: :D :lol:

lead rain has great respect for the elves and would never start a war aginst them

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...
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LOL DOOD! *gives foe hammer award for best post ever*

Hmm... reading that post, Foe Hammer, made me want to nuke an Elven nation! Anyone willing? :D

The UN is powerless. And Siri only decends if it is uncalled for. Let's say an elf kills 10-20 people. He/She deserves to be put to death, just like every other sentient being. But if you kill elves for being elves, her wrathe shall be swift in the form of ortillery strikes.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...
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Nice! Long time no see, where have you been?

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...
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Nice! Long time no see, where have you been?

Away. Streetracing season ended a few months ago, so I decided to come back.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...
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Nice! Long time no see, where have you been?

Away. Streetracing season ended a few months ago, so I decided to come back.

Awesome, welcome back

Isn't this free-form RP? Do typical players really need such strict rules to have fun by? Wazzu makes sense. And anyone attacking Parmisia is getting hit in the head with a crowbar whether or not they think we can afford to mine the iron-like ore! ;)

Lol, thank me for that image :D, even read the small text if you do not believe.

Isn't this free-form RP? Do typical players really need such strict rules to have fun by? Wazzu makes sense. And anyone attacking Parmisia is getting hit in the head with a crowbar whether or not they think we can afford to mine the iron-like ore! ;)
I sometimes wonder that...

But I guess since the stuck-up asshole/Reasonable, imaginative RPer ratio is about 800:1. That makes the odds kind of unfair.

would anti matter weapons be allowed? i was told that they were illegal.

Anti-Matter weapons sound neat and all, but in reality they would be less efficient then fusion weapons. Why?

1: AM bombs need continual magnetic (or gravitic) confinement. Basically, you use a LOT of energy to prevent only a very small amount of anti-matter in a large/heavy bomb. So your bomb is bigger, heavier, takes lots of energy, and if you loose containment it blows up in your face.

2: AM is both extremely difficult to make and (as a result) extremely expensive (not to mention time consuming).

So anti-matter sounds neat and all, but it doesn't work too well.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...

DISCLAIMER: The following is not meant to flame anyone. It is meant to help guide lead rain and is directed at that player.

Actually, its people like Foe Hammer you have to worry about. Siri's ships are killable. Foe Hammer (as well as Angelus, Klonor, Xanthal, and a few dozen others) all like to make multi-kilometer long superships that are indestructable, can destroy everything, and cost almost nothing (I've literally seen ships priced as low as a few tens of thousands of dollars).

The only one of those three who can even RP well is Angelus. It is unfortionate that that player has such a large "numberwank" desire.

I suggest you stay away from those players, they are about as respected in NS as ADK (the one I told you just got carpet-nuked by NYNJ with the approval of most players on NS, respected and not).

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...
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what are resonable prices on there super ships and why dont they cost that for them?

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These ships cost coupla of trillion depending on the size of the warship... The biggest probably cost several hundred trillion...

Ships like that would cost TRILLIONS and upwards, not to mention an entire asteroid belt or planets worth of materials to make the hull and bulkheads, the manufacturing coats would be outrageous...so the sale price would be EVEN MORE outrageous, outside almost anyone price range, if you're gonna make ships like that, make 1, justify it, and don’t sell them! You put a nice little dent in your budget with the 1st one

I have built a single ship in space. Can't remember, but I think it cost me somewhere around 500 billion dollars. And it's not even all that big.


But I'm modern.

would anti matter weapons be allowed? i was told that they were illegal.

Anti-Matter weapons sound neat and all, but in reality they would be less efficient then fusion weapons. Why?

1: AM bombs need continual magnetic (or gravitic) confinement. Basically, you use a LOT of energy to prevent only a very small amount of anti-matter in a large/heavy bomb. So your bomb is bigger, heavier, takes lots of energy, and if you loose containment it blows up in your face.

2: AM is both extremely difficult to make and (as a result) extremely expensive (not to mention time consuming).

So anti-matter sounds neat and all, but it doesn't work too well.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...

DISCLAIMER: The following is not meant to flame anyone. It is meant to help guide lead rain and is directed at that player.

Actually, its people like Foe Hammer you have to worry about. Siri's ships are killable. Foe Hammer (as well as Angelus, Klonor, Xanthal, and a few dozen others) all like to make multi-kilometer long superships that are indestructable, can destroy everything, and cost almost nothing (I've literally seen ships priced as low as a few tens of thousands of dollars).
The only one of those three who can even RP well is Angelus. It is unfortionate that that player has such a large "numberwank" desire.
I suggest you stay away from those players, they are about as respected in NS as ADK (the one I told you just got carpet-nuked by NYNJ with the approval of most players on NS, respected and not).
***NOT A FLAME, MERELY STRESS RELEASE***
Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

And as a side note: My ships cost hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars to produce. And all my vessels and my technology is thoroughly explained. Why do people hate me? BECAUSE I USED TO GODMOD WHEN I WAS ABOUT A MONTH OLD.

ouch! that would hurt my poket book.

Well, future tech natins claim that they have "special" equipment, such as nanotechnology, that allow them to build them cheaply, plus they have hyperdrives, slipstream drives, and other what not to get all the raw material...

would anti matter weapons be allowed? i was told that they were illegal.

Anti-Matter weapons sound neat and all, but in reality they would be less efficient then fusion weapons. Why?

1: AM bombs need continual magnetic (or gravitic) confinement. Basically, you use a LOT of energy to prevent only a very small amount of anti-matter in a large/heavy bomb. So your bomb is bigger, heavier, takes lots of energy, and if you loose containment it blows up in your face.

2: AM is both extremely difficult to make and (as a result) extremely expensive (not to mention time consuming).

So anti-matter sounds neat and all, but it doesn't work too well.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...

DISCLAIMER: The following is not meant to flame anyone. It is meant to help guide lead rain and is directed at that player.

Actually, its people like Foe Hammer you have to worry about. Siri's ships are killable. Foe Hammer (as well as Angelus, Klonor, Xanthal, and a few dozen others) all like to make multi-kilometer long superships that are indestructable, can destroy everything, and cost almost nothing (I've literally seen ships priced as low as a few tens of thousands of dollars).

The only one of those three who can even RP well is Angelus. It is unfortionate that that player has such a large "numberwank" desire.

I suggest you stay away from those players, they are about as respected in NS as ADK (the one I told you just got carpet-nuked by NYNJ with the approval of most players on NS, respected and not).
Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

Foe Hammer, I am sorry that you feel that way... I probably wasn't around then, but I would have definitely supported you. I detest popularity, so I'm not afraid to get attacked by bigger nations, such as Russian Forces (when we had an argument) and Aust (when he was a godmodding arse)... Foe Hammer, if you have to go, my last words to you will be, "Goodbye... I'm sorry your experience at NationStates are this bad..."

These ships cost coupla of trillion depending on the size of the warship... The biggest probably cost several hundred trillion...

That would be a reasonable price. Unfortionately, these nations often claim having several times that amount of money, and claim the ships cost several hundreads (or more) of times less then that. The result? These nations typically have many such ships when they are recognized by other players as having neither the resources nor the technology to produce any (much less 1-2).

If your going to space, your best bet is to build up slowly over a period of months. Towards this end you can:

1: Start and SDI and armed shuttle program, develop that into space fighters and gunboats, then later corvettes, then later frigates...and keep slowly increasing the size and complexity of your ships.

2: Start modern or near future tech, and slowly RP (and I do mean role-play) the technological developments.

3: Snuggle up to a respected player (doesn't have to be Menelmacar or Melkor) to get technology and funds from that nation.


No matter what, if your starting out, your a small fry. Everyone starts out small, and it will take a long time (probably over a year) to become one of the larger players (and even then, probably not a superpower).

I've been playing since the end of December '02 and am still not a superpower, don't expect to be one overnight.

But the better your RP, the faster your name will be recognized, and the faster you'll gain a good reputation.

Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

word,

also, this is my thing, people who are respected cna post the word "hi" and get all sorts of praise, about how wonderful they are andthe phrase "good RP" will be found in there

then theres those of us wh put work into whatw e go, and get ignored, cause we arent big enough, or no one knows our name

Man, I know how that feels, Foe Hammer, where popularity determines all...

It was back when I was a newbie, roleplaying with the nation Pergatorio. I was being nice and honorable back then before my dictator mean-streak, but anyways, Resi Corporation was pushing around Harding Beach Island and trying to keep him in an alliance he wanted out of. Almost everyone sided with him, and I sat by their as a 25 million populace nation and was ready to fight to the bloody death... and did anyone bother to help? No... they all loved Resi. They all were ready to help Resi. And then people came in with their negotiations, and that was the end of that.

would anti matter weapons be allowed? i was told that they were illegal.

Anti-Matter weapons sound neat and all, but in reality they would be less efficient then fusion weapons. Why?

1: AM bombs need continual magnetic (or gravitic) confinement. Basically, you use a LOT of energy to prevent only a very small amount of anti-matter in a large/heavy bomb. So your bomb is bigger, heavier, takes lots of energy, and if you loose containment it blows up in your face.

2: AM is both extremely difficult to make and (as a result) extremely expensive (not to mention time consuming).

So anti-matter sounds neat and all, but it doesn't work too well.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...

DISCLAIMER: The following is not meant to flame anyone. It is meant to help guide lead rain and is directed at that player.

Actually, its people like Foe Hammer you have to worry about. Siri's ships are killable. Foe Hammer (as well as Angelus, Klonor, Xanthal, and a few dozen others) all like to make multi-kilometer long superships that are indestructable, can destroy everything, and cost almost nothing (I've literally seen ships priced as low as a few tens of thousands of dollars).

The only one of those three who can even RP well is Angelus. It is unfortionate that that player has such a large "numberwank" desire.

I suggest you stay away from those players, they are about as respected in NS as ADK (the one I told you just got carpet-nuked by NYNJ with the approval of most players on NS, respected and not).
Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

Foe Hammer, I am sorry that you feel that way... I probably wasn't around then, but I would have definitely supported you. I detest popularity, so I'm not afraid to get attacked by bigger nations, such as Russian Forces (when we had an argument) and Aust (when he was a godmodding arse)... Foe Hammer, if you have to go, my last words to you will be, "Goodbye... I'm sorry your experience at NationStates are this bad..."

it is nice to hear someone say that, though, its a pity mroe people dont think like you

***NOT A FLAME, MERELY STRESS RELEASE***
Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

And as a side note: My ships cost hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars to produce. And all my vessels and my technology is thoroughly explained. Why do people hate me? BECAUSE I USED TO GODMOD WHEN I WAS ABOUT A MONTH OLD.

I've yet to see much in the way of RP from you. If you would get involved in one or more character RPs with respected nations, you might do well. But you would have to avoid using superuberpsychicninjavampiredemondragongodmages....

Popularity in NS all depends on the "good 'ole boy" system. To get popular, you have to play with the popular players. And right now, what the popular players want is good, solid character oriented role play.

Pray that that does not change.

would anti matter weapons be allowed? i was told that they were illegal.

Anti-Matter weapons sound neat and all, but in reality they would be less efficient then fusion weapons. Why?

1: AM bombs need continual magnetic (or gravitic) confinement. Basically, you use a LOT of energy to prevent only a very small amount of anti-matter in a large/heavy bomb. So your bomb is bigger, heavier, takes lots of energy, and if you loose containment it blows up in your face.

2: AM is both extremely difficult to make and (as a result) extremely expensive (not to mention time consuming).

So anti-matter sounds neat and all, but it doesn't work too well.

Whatever you do, don't create weapons that are big and powerful, otherwise Sirithil and her Gravship full of suckups willing to fulfill her every wish will descend on your nation with their ub3r-hoverships. :P

And don't do anything that would even SCRATCH an elf, or Sirithil will, again, descend on your nation with her Gravship full of suckups with their ub3r-hoverships with ub3r-weapons and ships with ub3r-magnets on the ub3r-bottom, which is nuke proof, laser proof, bulletproof, armageddon proof...

DISCLAIMER: The following is not meant to flame anyone. It is meant to help guide lead rain and is directed at that player.

Actually, its people like Foe Hammer you have to worry about. Siri's ships are killable. Foe Hammer (as well as Angelus, Klonor, Xanthal, and a few dozen others) all like to make multi-kilometer long superships that are indestructable, can destroy everything, and cost almost nothing (I've literally seen ships priced as low as a few tens of thousands of dollars).

The only one of those three who can even RP well is Angelus. It is unfortionate that that player has such a large "numberwank" desire.

I suggest you stay away from those players, they are about as respected in NS as ADK (the one I told you just got carpet-nuked by NYNJ with the approval of most players on NS, respected and not).
Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

Foe Hammer, I am sorry that you feel that way... I probably wasn't around then, but I would have definitely supported you. I detest popularity, so I'm not afraid to get attacked by bigger nations, such as Russian Forces (when we had an argument) and Aust (when he was a godmodding arse)... Foe Hammer, if you have to go, my last words to you will be, "Goodbye... I'm sorry your experience at NationStates are this bad..."

it is nice to hear someone say that, though, its a pity mroe people dont think like you

I've already written a long speech-post on how unimaginative most of the RPers here are, and I'm more than ready to write a speech-post on how f*cked up this place is.

also, this is my thing, people who are respected cna post the word "hi" and get all sorts of praise, about how wonderful they are andthe phrase "good RP" will be found in there

then theres those of us wh put work into whatw e go, and get ignored, cause we arent big enough, or no one knows our name

I hear ya.

The worst is in the war threads when they make 5 page long posts about the general combing his hair and then when they finnally get to the attack it doesnt even have numbers in it or what the weapons are targetted at or what they do you just get something like this "The fleet unleashes a barrage of missiles against the enemy force"

***NOT A FLAME, MERELY STRESS RELEASE***
Approval in NS is a load of SHIT. Why? Because it all comes down to your f*cking popularity. Slag, Angelus and the Trium were seconds away from blowing the shit out of my country because Slag claimed that I had sold pirates some ships (He apologized later and said that what he did was bad form). But did anybody step in to help me? NO. The only person who backed me all the way was The Imperial Navy, god bless him. Why did nobody jump in and try to stop this uncalled-for murder of hundreds of millions of citizens, you ask? It's simple. BECAUSE ANGELUS, SCOLO, SLAG, KARMA AND THE REST OF THE TRIUM ARE POPULAR AMONG THE NS COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. And that, in my opinion, is F*CKED UP. I keep having to remind you all that NS is turning into HIGH SCHOOL. The popular people get away with anything and the reputationally challenged are stopped in their tracks when they try to do ANYTHING. I swear to f*cking god, one of these days I'm going to leave Nationstates behind, my final post on this forum being a hearty, "F*CK YOU ALL."

And as a side note: My ships cost hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars to produce. And all my vessels and my technology is thoroughly explained. Why do people hate me? BECAUSE I USED TO GODMOD WHEN I WAS ABOUT A MONTH OLD.

I've yet to see much in the way of RP from you. If you would get involved in one or more character RPs with respected nations, you might do well. But you would have to avoid using superuberpsychicninjavampiredemondragongodmages....

Popularity in NS all depends on the "good 'ole boy" system. To get popular, you have to play with the popular players. And right now, what the popular players want is good, solid character oriented role play.

Pray that that does not change.

Well, then I have a message for the NS community.

Taggy while I write it up.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards.

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer

I've already written a long speech-post on how unimaginative most of the RPers here are, and I'm more than ready to write a speech-post on how f*cked up this place is.

Instead of ranting, how about trying to change that? Show us what good RP is.

I'm serious, make some new, origional, character oriented RP threads.

OOC speaches won't help. Actually playing the game can.

I think Belem is right, sometimes it seems like to much time is spent on char development and less time on the real purpose of the RP. We arent wirtting books here. Nothign wrong with a char RP, but, when it comes down to the fight, you got to describe THAT as well as the chars in it

I think Belem is right, sometimes it seems like to much time is spent on char development and less time on the real purpose of the RP. We arent wirtting books here

What is the purpose of the RP? To take over other nations? To "numberwank" each other to death? Where is the fun in saying "I have a better economy and more people, so I have 50billiontrillion more uberz-tr0uperS then U!!! I win!"

Thats all fine and good if you want to do that with other people (like Belem), but it won't earn you any respect from the character-oriented (read: actual RP) group.

I think Belem is right, sometimes it seems like to much time is spent on char development and less time on the real purpose of the RP. We arent wirtting books here

What is the purpose of the RP? To take over other nations? To "numberwank" each other to death? Where is the fun in saying "I have a better economy and more people, so I have 50billiontrillion more uberz-tr0uperS then U!!! I win!"

Thats all fine and good if you want to do that with other people (like Belem), but it won't earn you any respect from the character-oriented (read: actual RP) group.

No, its VERY IMPORTANT to not reduce this to an elaborate risk game, and important to have chars involved. But all i think we're, or at least im trying to say, is that people spend TOO MUCH time on char development and not enough time on their actional posts. The chardev is great in a thread, then war comes and its nothing but mindless ":uhhh i attack, err die" describing an attack, numbers, whats happening, whats being hit, is as important as introducing ands building up a char

*sees yelling going on*

*notices Foe Hammer ready to burst a blood vessel*

*takes out piece of string and plays with it*

Hehe.....string...........I can rule the world with this!

*goes back to being delusional*

I think Belem is right, sometimes it seems like to much time is spent on char development and less time on the real purpose of the RP. We arent wirtting books here. Nothign wrong with a char RP, but, when it comes down to the fight, you got to describe THAT as well as the chars in it

Then the problem is people spend so much time developing the character they wont let anything happen to him.

And then everyone copies each others characters so pretty much every character RP now is just a cookie cutter mold.

heres how every war RP goes now:

*nation A gets blockaded by say 300 ships by Nation B*
*Nation C comes to the rescue of nation A with 20 ships*

Nation C demands Nation B stand down turn over all officers, and the leader of there country for trial or they will attack

Nation B refuses and launches 800 missiles against Nation Cs fleet

Nation C's <insert whatever political or military figure here who is giving orders here> thinks about how he should of <shaved, combed hair performed some function during the day> he walks around, ask for a status report <thinks about family, or country or both> asks for another status report <speaks or thinks about futility of war>, finnally orders a defense, orders an extremely small counterattack i.e. 20 missiles.

Nation C claims no losses or very small losses from Bs attack.

Nation B claims say 3 ships damaged. Calls Nations Cs losses too small for the barrage of attack

Nation C claims that Bs losses were too small and that he should post higher losses because C spend more time roleplaying what his commander felt, and that since he did that he doesnt have to post heavy loses in order to advance the RP.

Argument ensues then ignore.

*pulls out my own CONN 8D French Horn and began to play the Franz Strauss Horn Concerto*

That should help soothe you people...

I think Belem is right, sometimes it seems like to much time is spent on char development and less time on the real purpose of the RP. We arent wirtting books here

What is the purpose of the RP? To take over other nations? To "numberwank" each other to death? Where is the fun in saying "I have a better economy and more people, so I have 50billiontrillion more uberz-tr0uperS then U!!! I win!"

Thats all fine and good if you want to do that with other people (like Belem), but it won't earn you any respect from the character-oriented (read: actual RP) group.

No, its VERY IMPORTANT to not reduce this to an elaborate risk game, and important to have chars involved. But all i think we're, or at least im trying to say, is that people spend TOO MUCH time on char development and not enough time on their actional posts. The chardev is great in a thread, then war comes and its nothing but mindless ":uhhh i attack, err die" describing an attack, numbers, whats happening, whats being hit, is as important as introducing ands building up a char

I suggest you take a look at Belem's "RPing", that is not what he is saying at all.

I agree that there is a place for numbers, but taken away from characters it has no context.

In war (in those few instances where I join one), I try to involve most. Optimally (but not always realistically), I try to show my actions through my characters eyes.

If a ship is leaving port, I make up a character on the spot to show his emotions, her thoughts, their actions in making the whole thing work. I put the numbers inside the story. Only at the end of the story do I put a summary (and only when one is needed).

Afterall, it is those characters (many of whom I keep in a txt file) who shape the future of Wazzu. Literally, what happens to them changes the course of my nation, and my nation's course changes them.

For a war, you need both the numbers and the story. Without numbers, it is impossible to play (but possible to play other diplomatic, buisness, and small military actions). Without the characters, the story, the numbers mean nothing.

I think Belem is right, sometimes it seems like to much time is spent on char development and less time on the real purpose of the RP. We arent wirtting books here

What is the purpose of the RP? To take over other nations? To "numberwank" each other to death? Where is the fun in saying "I have a better economy and more people, so I have 50billiontrillion more uberz-tr0uperS then U!!! I win!"

Thats all fine and good if you want to do that with other people (like Belem), but it won't earn you any respect from the character-oriented (read: actual RP) group.

No, its VERY IMPORTANT to not reduce this to an elaborate risk game, and important to have chars involved. But all i think we're, or at least im trying to say, is that people spend TOO MUCH time on char development and not enough time on their actional posts. The chardev is great in a thread, then war comes and its nothing but mindless ":uhhh i attack, err die" describing an attack, numbers, whats happening, whats being hit, is as important as introducing ands building up a char

I suggest you take a look at Belem's "RPing", that is not what he is saying at all.

I agree that there is a place for numbers, but taken away from characters it has no context.

In war (in those few instances where I join one), I try to involve most. Optimally (but not always realistically), I try to show my actions through my characters eyes.

If a ship is leaving port, I make up a character on the spot to show his emotions, her thoughts, their actions in making the whole thing work. I put the numbers inside the story. Only at the end of the story do I put a summary (and only when one is needed).

Afterall, it is those characters (many of whom I keep in a txt file) who shape the future of Wazzu. Literally, what happens to them changes the course of my nation, and my nation's course changes them.

For a war, you need both the numbers and the story. Without numbers, it is impossible to play (but possible to play other diplomatic, buisness, and small military actions). Without the characters, the story, the numbers mean nothing.

Then we're arguing the same point. Cause thats pretty much what i said

Re:Belem's lengthy post that I don't want to fill the page by quoting-

Hey, Dra-pol's beloved Director Kurosian (a.k.a. The Butcher of Hamhung) was beaten to death in a Chinese toilet not long ago! He was one of the nation's two most important characters. Poor chap. And our entire fleet was destroyed shortly prior to that. No one came to our aid with anything more than a crate of AK47s for which we had no ammunition. -dramatic sigh-
Now Hamhung belongs to someone else.


..'twas was fun!

Re:Belem's lengthy post that I don't want to fill the page by quoting-

Hey, Dra-pol's beloved Director Kurosian (a.k.a. The Butcher of Hamhung) was beaten to death in a Chinese toilet not long ago! He was one of the nation's two most important characters. Poor chap. And our entire fleet was destroyed shortly prior to that. No one came to our aid with anything more than a crate of AK47s for which we had no ammunition. -dramatic sigh-
Now Hamhung belongs to someone else.


..'twas was fun!

That was random ;)

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

I shall, since no one saw my letter to the NS community, post it again.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

And now, for the pleasure of those who have opressed me and tortured me during my time here, I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards (Directed to those stated in the last sentence).

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

they want to know what ur admiral ate for breakfast whether he shaved what color his tie is.

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

I shall, since no one saw my letter to the NS community, post it again.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards.

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer

Not everyone is a snotty elitist bastard, man... A lot of people are supportive of you and your treating them as the same as the people you hate... You are not distinguishing between your enemies and your friends... No offense, but your words prove that you are an arse...

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

they want to know what ur admiral ate for breakfast whether he shaved what color his tie is.

lol

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

they want to know what ur admiral ate for breakfast whether he shaved what color his tie is.

Forget the Admiral. Posting orders is OK, but what about the little guy? What happens to the tank crew offloading from an amphibous ship? What happens to the surviving members of a family of refugees? Why is the Damage Controllman aboard your ship so worried? What are the effects of the war on your people at home?

An admiral or national leader is the perfect way to give orders and not show what is really going on. They are OK for some situations, but for the human story (ie. not whether he shaved that morning or what he had for breakfast), you need to use other characters.

And make them characters, flawed but with some area in which they shine, non-superbeings but able to handle what they were trained for (at least until bad luck overtakes them). Characters, not mindless automatons through which you spout your real rants (though sometimes that is fun too. :) ).

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

I shall, since no one saw my letter to the NS community, post it again.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards.

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer

Not everyone is a snotty elitist bastard, man... A lot of people are supportive of you and your treating them as the same as the people you hate... You are not distinguishing between your enemies and your friends... No offense, but your words prove that you are an arse...

I really dont think hes an arse, per se, but he is rather pissed, and that'll make anyone seem liek an arse, if you'd calm down a bit......people here arent ALL bastards.....5cn(can i call you that?) is right, some of us are just as disrespected as you are, or are respected and still pay attention to everyone, ro try to (not one of those myself)

I DO USE CHARACTER RPS!

Christ, every goddamn time I'm in a battle, I ROLEPLAY WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS ON THE BRIDGE OF ONE OF THE SHIPS!

I ROLEPLAY the Admiral receiving damage reports! I POST THE F*CKING DAMAGE REPORTS!


WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM ME?!

I shall, since no one saw my letter to the NS community, post it again.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards.

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer

Not everyone is a snotty elitist bastard, man... A lot of people are supportive of you and your treating them as the same as the people you hate... You are not distinguishing between your enemies and your friends... No offense, but your words prove that you are an arse...

I directed the words "Snotty elitist bastards" to those who are the true arses, not to you or anyone else supporting the oppressed.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards.

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer


When it appears that it is everyone else who has the problem, maybe it is time to take a look in the mirror.

Dear Nationstates Community,
I apoligize that my style of writing is different than yours. I also realize that you are so clouded in your judgement of others that you do not see past that could to view your own faults. I apoligize for pursuing my intrests. I also apoligize for not being interested in writing about boring, middle aged assholes sitting in a mansion sipping tea. I apoligize for the fact that I am interested in Combat stories. I am sorry that my style of writing is so inferior to your own. Perhaps I should perform my Seppuku now, for I have dishonored the "perfection" of Roleplaying.

I am sorry that you keep your eyes focused on my past history at Nationstates, even though those posts are no longer visible due to my resurrection. I am sorry that my resurrection was not the fresh start I was hoping for. I am sorry that I do not spell words exactly as they appear in the f*cking dictionary. Perhaps I should also type out the pronunciation, as well?

I apoligize for disrupting the flow of boring, dull unimaginative roleplaying with my fast-paced, creative action writing. I am sorry that my characters do not sit around in plush chairs in silk robes speaking with other national leaders on new financial plans.

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.

I shall now perform my Hari kiri, you snotty elitist bastards.

Your worst nightmare,
Dan Clough, owner of Foe Hammer


When it appears that it is everyone else who has the problem, maybe it is time to take a look in the mirror.
YOU look in the mirror. I've checked my reflection, and I've made the necessary changes, without completely altering my views, and my style of writing. As I said in my letter, I'm SORRY that my style of writing isn't perfect in your oh so humble eyes.

Everyone calls me 5CN anyways and even I use it sometimes, so its fine... Sorry about the name calling Foe Hammer... :oops:

To the matter of being respected, my nation is respected by many, but I still try to help out the little guy and help pull him along, i.e. that time Aust decided to conquer Shinoxia...

I'm not jumping in this argument, but I am throwing my .02 in.

Characters are what make or break a nation, not the stats. I do believe that stats should be used as guidlines for such things as nation on nation affairs, but it's the individual characters that are remembered the most.

Characters like Lord Alkanphel (Melkor Unchained), Bastien the Bronze (Pantera), Siri (Menelmacar), Damien Dreadfire (Automagfreek {shameless plug}) are the ones that live forever, for they stand out with their flavor and emotions. The passion that goes into characters like Bastien the Bronze can have an OOC impact on somebody, he certainly did on me. This is why I brought Damien back, because I missed RPing him, for he is not only my most famous/infamous character, he's the only reason I stay on NS.

*realizes he's ranting.....quitely leaves*

I think a balance of both must be involved, both logistics and CharDev

To the matter of being respected, my nation is respected by many, but I still try to help out the little guy and help pull him along, i.e. that time Aust decided to conquer Shinoxia...
And for that, you have my endless respect.

whoa, new topic...5cn, what was that about Shinoxia?

I am sorry that I take pride in taking my roleplaying to the limit, yet not going past said limits. I apoligize that I prefer large weapons to defend my nation, mainly due to the fact that you assholes take pride in destroying those who are less gazed-upon and idolized in the Nationstates community.


This is the problem with NS. As soon as a little guy does something controversial the big hulking "respected rper" comes down on his ass and wipes him out takes over his land and makes him a new state.

Im not going to say Ive never been guilty of the above. But before you go and say "Belem is the big bad guy who crushes nations that say anything he doesnt like" I have never completely wiped out a new nation for doing something stupid or something im against unless they were jackassish and resorted to insulting me as a player or doing insane Godmodding.

In fact most of the time when a little nation does something like slave trading or trying to RP a terrorist attack and everyone comes down on him ill actually try to help him.

whoa, new topic...5cn, what was that about Shinoxia?

Its past now... But Shinoxia was attacked by Aust... Luckily he had support from the nations in his region or he would have been conquered. Besides that, Aust was godmodding and acting like a n00b as hell and he was then a 1.6 billion nation, which is deeply embarrassing for us bigger nations...

To the matter of being respected, my nation is respected by many, but I still try to help out the little guy and help pull him along, i.e. that time Aust decided to conquer Shinoxia...
And for that, you have my endless respect.

Thanks, that means a lot... (does it? j/k)

YOU look in the mirror. I've checked my reflection, and I've made the necessary changes, without completely altering my views, and my style of writing. As I said in my letter, I'm SORRY that my style of writing isn't perfect in your oh so humble eyes.

You claim to have made the necessary changes and sarcastically "appologize" for your (unchanged) style of writing in the same 2-sentance paragraph. Thats contradictory.

I'm going to bed soon, it has been a long day (I've one more (long) post to write, but for another thread). Thanks for the flame and feel free to keep shoveling the manure on me while I'm gone. I don't mind the mudslinging, really! Even if I really do ride a high-horse....

Hope that "RP style" works out for you.

*step in, looks around*

Just gonna point out to everyone here that this thread is now very off-topic.

*steps out, avoiding the shower of rotten produce heading his way*

*step in, looks around*

Just gonna point out to everyone here that this thread is now very off-topic.

*steps out, avoiding the shower of rotten produce heading his way*

*throws anthrax laced tomato at Sketch*

YOU look in the mirror. I've checked my reflection, and I've made the necessary changes, without completely altering my views, and my style of writing. As I said in my letter, I'm SORRY that my style of writing isn't perfect in your oh so humble eyes.

You claim to have made the necessary changes and sarcastically "appologize" for your (unchanged) style of writing in the same 2-sentance paragraph. Thats contradictory.

I'm going to bed soon, it has been a long day (I've one more (long) post to write, but for another thread). Thanks for the flame and feel free to keep shoveling the manure on me while I'm gone. I don't mind the mudslinging, really! Even if I really do ride a high-horse....

Hope that "RP style" works out for you.

I have made the necessary changes that I feel I need to make, without completely altering my style of writing. I refuse to be persecuted for my writing style, I refuse to be persecuted for my intrests, and by god, I refuse to be persecuted for my beliefs.

heh....yeah, we kinda strayed just a wee bit

I only asked 5cn cause Shin is a (sorta RL) buddy of mine, and I didn’t hear about that, or I, and my allies, would have been right at his side too...and this came so close after the near disastrous Rebeland incident…. wonder why I never heard.

I will also be going to bed. I'll be on in the mornin'.

night Foe

heh....yeah, we kinda strayed just a wee bit

I only asked 5cn cause Shin is a (sorta RL) buddy of mine, and I didn’t hear about that, or I, and my allies, would have been right at his side too...and this came so close after the near disastrous Rebeland incident…. wonder why I never heard.

I wasn't going to intervene, until I read the stuff Aust wrote... It was so freaking childish and immature... And then, everyone in the Antartica region beat up Aust, while I was supplying Shinoxia with submarines...

5cn, did you ever read the Rebeland post I referred to, that entire region has each others backs...but they seem to get a little overzealous in their numbers...almost blew up into a full scale war, I'm the regional Intel director for my region, and if one of us goes to war, we all do, anyhow, I tallied the fleet numbers, there were over 800 ships in the area, and well over 2000 aircraft fielded by the ALLIES (us) alone...it was insane, would have been a bloody mess...thankfully, the entirely situation defused....and then the allies and enemies got in fight and ignored each other....go figure, it has good potental I've been building aircraft for Shin for years (NS years) now, half the stuff he uses i made for him :P

5cn, did you ever read the Rebeland post I referred to, that entire region has each others backs...but they seem to get a little overzealous in their numbers...almost blew up into a full scale war, I'm the regional Intel director for my region, and if one of us goes to war, we all do, anyhow, I tallied the fleet numbers, there were over 800 ships in the area, and well over 2000 aircraft fielded by the ALLIES (us) alone...it was insane, would have been a bloody mess...thankfully, the entirely situation defused....and then the allies and enemies got in fight and ignored each other....go figure, it has good potental I've been building aircraft for Shin for years (NS years) now, half the stuff he uses i made for him :P

Interesting, the amount of aircraft is only 25% percent of my air force and the ships is only 90% of mine...

yea, but you're huge, we're nothing

yea, but you're huge, we're nothing

good point... Anyways, I didn't need to intervene to help Shinoxia...

On Character RP's:
Ygghiri (2:04:28 AM): In the middle of a war no one CARES what a tank gunner is thinking
Ygghiri (2:04:32 AM): That's not f*cking important
Ygghiri (2:04:47 AM): I want my troops to be winning battles, not sitting around thinking about the meaning of life
Ygghiri (2:04:52 AM): LOAD THE F*CKING CANNON, SOCRATES

If the RP is meant for character development, fine, but character development and war don't mix unless you're having extremely small wars (ie, two or three squads, at the most) or you're doing a story without outside intervention. Even the Warhammer 40,000 novels (best fictional war novels, in my opinion) don't include EVERY character on the battlefield, only the ones that matter for the story, and only for like, a line or two, they're not characters with entire backstories and crap. Gotta draw a line between what you want and what's practical.

On weapons that are banned: Everything is, if you ask people who religiously numberwank with modern technology. I tried to post a test for a prototype (now mass-produced) multilegged tank about a month or so after my account creation and got called a godmoder for it; needless to say, that was the last time I ever informed the NS people about any technology updates that I achieved. That's why I don't really participate in RP's here (aside from the fact that threads go from one to eight pages in a matter of hours), I don't appreciate being called a godmoder because I use technology that isn't instantly defeated by an M16.

yea, neither did we really, oh well, its been ncie interacting with a more celebrated NS player, im going to bed, good night

On Character RP's:
Ygghiri (2:04:28 AM): In the middle of a war no one CARES what a tank gunner is thinking
Ygghiri (2:04:32 AM): That's not f*cking important
Ygghiri (2:04:47 AM): I want my troops to be winning battles, not sitting around thinking about the meaning of life
Ygghiri (2:04:52 AM): LOAD THE F*CKING CANNON, SOCRATES

If the RP is meant for character development, fine, but character development and war don't mix unless you're having extremely small wars (ie, two or three squads, at the most) or you're doing a story without outside intervention. Even the Warhammer 40,000 novels (best fictional war novels, in my opinion) don't include EVERY character on the battlefield, only the ones that matter for the story, and only for like, a line or two, they're not characters with entire backstories and crap. Gotta draw a line between what you want and what's practical.

On weapons that are banned: Everything is, if you ask people who religiously numberwank with modern technology. I tried to post a test for a prototype (now mass-produced) multilegged tank about a month or so after my account creation and got called a godmoder for it; needless to say, that was the last time I ever informed the NS people about any technology updates that I achieved. That's why I don't really participate in RP's here (aside from the fact that threads go from one to eight pages in a matter of hours), I don't appreciate being called a godmoder because I use technology that isn't instantly defeated by an M16.

hehe, nice post....is that AIM?

On Character RP's:
Ygghiri (2:04:28 AM): In the middle of a war no one CARES what a tank gunner is thinking
Ygghiri (2:04:32 AM): That's not f*cking important
Ygghiri (2:04:47 AM): I want my troops to be winning battles, not sitting around thinking about the meaning of life
Ygghiri (2:04:52 AM): LOAD THE F*CKING CANNON, SOCRATES

If the RP is meant for character development, fine, but character development and war don't mix unless you're having extremely small wars (ie, two or three squads, at the most) or you're doing a story without outside intervention. Even the Warhammer 40,000 novels (best fictional war novels, in my opinion) don't include EVERY character on the battlefield, only the ones that matter for the story, and only for like, a line or two, they're not characters with entire backstories and crap. Gotta draw a line between what you want and what's practical.

On weapons that are banned: Everything is, if you ask people who religiously numberwank with modern technology. I tried to post a test for a prototype (now mass-produced) multilegged tank about a month or so after my account creation and got called a godmoder for it; needless to say, that was the last time I ever informed the NS people about any technology updates that I achieved. That's why I don't really participate in RP's here (aside from the fact that threads go from one to eight pages in a matter of hours), I don't appreciate being called a godmoder because I use technology that isn't instantly defeated by an M16.

good point... that's why I haven't revealed to the world my plus 500 knots per hour torpedo, propelled by a solid-rocket fuel booster...

Yeah, that's me in the quote... I use AIM or IRC to rant about NS, particularly when an annoying issue like this comes up. :)

Edit: See, that's what I love about freeform RP, if you can explain it it's okay to use. It weeds out the stupidity of the "i haev antimatter" declaration because they can't explain how they refine the anti-matter particles or how they contain it for use in weaponry applications.
/me applauds Five Civilized Nations on his innovative torpedo technology

uhhh 5cn.....you just, err did

GODMODER!

:wink: j/k

Mega, AIM is DevDog01, if you want someone else to rant to

uhhh 5cn.....you just, err did

GODMODER!

:wink: j/k

Mega, AIM is DevDog01, if you want someone else to rant to

There are several nations, i.e. New Empire, The Macabees, Exonerate, and others, that know already, so its fine...

Mine is atreidesstorm, but I'm almost never on, so go looking for me...

OOC:

Yo, Foe. Take a break, okay?

To the rest of you all:

I don't do tons of "character development" since, well, I don't know. It's not exactly my forte but the real reason why is because I haven't thought of any characters to fully develop. I basically make up names for my people on the fly, e.g. Jacob Iryyt, Ambassador to Foe Hammer. See? Easy. As well, I kind of like to keep some mystery about my nation. I also try to build in some flaws - and believe it or not, I keep track of my characters in a file somewhere and try to make them somewhat realistic. For example, Ambassador Ipshi Hagwonak (the walrus who dealt with Kalessin waaaaay back in the World Court thread) is now Chief Ambassador of the Diplomatic Corps. So, he doesn't get out much but sits around drinking barrels of beer. He "runs" that place (well, the shadowy Intelligence Director has his hand in things) and send out others. That's one reason why I keep track of some of the more notable characters.

Also, I play my nation (along with all its reactions) as how a real nation would react. That is, OOCly, I might think some dude is an alright guy, but ICly, Vrak dislikes their guts. Case in point: the Drakonian Imperium.

Lastly, in an attempt to steer this back to the original topic ("What weapons are allowed") I think you can have "planet busters" as long as that's the same crowd you run in. However, it certainly seems that uber weapons have been correlated with, well, poor roleplay (which is somewhat subjective). If you're a modern tech dude, nukes are allowed but using them has serious consequences. Tech levels, which can be a bit blurry, does help to define what type of weapons are allowable. Once you've got that figured out, then I think you can proceed from there.

But this is starting to degenerate into yet another "How much can I use the NS stats to justify what I do with my nation" ranting. Egad.

lol, i lied when i said i was leaving, good point though

Yeah, that's me in the quote... I use AIM or IRC to rant about NS, particularly when an annoying issue like this comes up. :)

Edit: See, that's what I love about freeform RP, if you can explain it it's okay to use. It weeds out the stupidity of the "i haev antimatter" declaration because they can't explain how they refine the anti-matter particles or how they contain it for use in weaponry applications.
/me applauds Five Civilized Nations on his innovative torpedo technology

OOC:

Without casting aspirations upong 5CN, I think a person should be somewhat careful with this. Anyone can BS, but you put some of these "innovative" ideas past folks with a science background (I don't have one, but I have contacts that do), they noticeably wince. Why, from my own observations, do you think Wazzu has the Cardboard Avenger?

I agree... Maybe we should all log off and go to sleep... Its 2:43AM in New York now, so I think I should say, adieu, adieu...

Yeah, that's me in the quote... I use AIM or IRC to rant about NS, particularly when an annoying issue like this comes up. :)

Edit: See, that's what I love about freeform RP, if you can explain it it's okay to use. It weeds out the stupidity of the "i haev antimatter" declaration because they can't explain how they refine the anti-matter particles or how they contain it for use in weaponry applications.
/me applauds Five Civilized Nations on his innovative torpedo technology

OOC:

Without casting aspirations upong 5CN, I think a person should be somewhat careful with this. Anyone can BS, but you put some of these "innovative" ideas past folks with a science background (I don't have one, but I have contacts that do), they noticeably wince. Why, from my own observations, do you think Wazzu has the Cardboard Avenger?

(OOC: Only a few nations RP with submarines anyways, so it should be okay... In addition, everything I use is based off of something. My new torpedo is based on a weapon used in the book about a war between Japan and the US called Barracuda...

Yeah, that's me in the quote... I use AIM or IRC to rant about NS, particularly when an annoying issue like this comes up. :)

Edit: See, that's what I love about freeform RP, if you can explain it it's okay to use. It weeds out the stupidity of the "i haev antimatter" declaration because they can't explain how they refine the anti-matter particles or how they contain it for use in weaponry applications.
/me applauds Five Civilized Nations on his innovative torpedo technology

OOC:

Without casting aspirations upong 5CN, I think a person should be somewhat careful with this. Anyone can BS, but you put some of these "innovative" ideas past folks with a science background (I don't have one, but I have contacts that do), they noticeably wince. Why, from my own observations, do you think Wazzu has the Cardboard Avenger?

(OOC: Only a few nations RP with submarines anyways, so it should be okay... In addition, everything I use is based off of something. My new torpedo is based on a weapon used in the book about a war between Japan and the US called Barracuda...

OOC: I perhaps should clarify since I can see how my initial remarks can be misinterpreted. Doing research in that it forces you to think (I'm not a big military guy myself but have been visiting such sites as globalsecurity so as to get a grasp on things) is, of course, good. When I made the Titan guns (along with Edolia) we not only researched it but ran it past a few folks who know about artillery, physics, etc...(in that I made a "weapons testing" thread and some folks offered their valuable input - Calarca, where are you?) Now, I'm not saying I'm such a wonderful dude for doing this, but I think it doesn't hurt for anyone to run an idea past another to get their opinion on it. That's all I meant.

Vrak: I've only been stonewalled in my technology designs a few times by science; I don't follow a tech to conclusion unless it's physically possible... And let me tell you, there are a lot of things you can do with physics that would make you cry "godmoder" in a heartbeat. :mrgreen:

Vrak: I've only been stonewalled in my technology designs a few times by science; I don't follow a tech to conclusion unless it's physically possible... And let me tell you, there are a lot of things you can do with physics that would make you cry "godmoder" in a heartbeat. :mrgreen:

OOC: Again, I didn't mean to offend (looks like my reply to 5CN was going on at the same time). I think that if you can demonstrate it say, that it can be done, then why not? Personally, I'm more receptive to folks who take your approach rather than technowank, but I'm a pretty easy-going guy.

I hope this doesn't become another "I write better therefore it's cool" vs "the numbers determine all". It's like deciding who's style of RP a person likes, making a choice, and then telling everyone else that they are morons. I have a particular style of roleplay that I like and so far, it works out.

I know you meant no harm, Vrak, I'm just a little highly defensive when people look like they're bashing future tech... Since it seems like everyone bags on future tech sometimes. Sorry if I came across as hostile.

uhhh 5cn.....you just, err did

GODMODER!

:wink: j/k

Mega, AIM is DevDog01, if you want someone else to rant to

There are several nations, i.e. New Empire, The Macabees, Exonerate, and others, that know already, so its fine...

Mine is atreidesstorm, but I'm almost never on, so go looking for me...
Heh, toned it down from supersonic speeds underwater I see :wink:

Better explain how it works :)

I know you meant no harm, Vrak, I'm just a little highly defensive when people look like they're bashing future tech... Since it seems like everyone bags on future tech sometimes. Sorry if I came across as hostile.

OOC: No problem.

uhhh 5cn.....you just, err did

GODMODER!

:wink: j/k

Mega, AIM is DevDog01, if you want someone else to rant to

There are several nations, i.e. New Empire, The Macabees, Exonerate, and others, that know already, so its fine...

Mine is atreidesstorm, but I'm almost never on, so go looking for me...
Heh, toned it down from supersonic speeds underwater I see :wink:

Better explain how it works :)

That's my Raiden... My Raiden II will be able to 750 knots per hour. And I doubt that's supersonic considering sound travels slower underwater...

Faster, actually... Sound is a longitudinal wave that relies on the density of the medium to transfer the wave from point to point. Since water is denser than air.... :)

I think those who are against any sort of character development in a war thread are either grossly misunderstanding how some people enjoy this game or else have have very short attention spans. Some of us like novelizing a tread. Nothing against those of you who don’t: I ask you not to convert, but just not to poke fun at us.

After all, nothing, NOTHING we do in this forum will ever affect our nation’s actual stats, so what do you have after a three-hour war that was nothing more than “800 ships move into attack position” “I launch 500 [random airplane] to counter them. They launch 1000 anti-ship missiles” “I counter with [absurdly large number] counter missiles. 100 get through. 50 [note the even number again] ships are sunk.”

Myself, I like to have something to go back and read over in the future. I’d much rather spend my time, and note, it’s my time typing out something like:

“Vampire! Vampire!” shouted a young rating, pointing over [i]Superb’s starboard bow in a near panic. Almost before Captain Wexingford could run to the proper side of the bridge, the first one was diving in on his cruiser.

Its warhead tore through the ship’s waterline armor as if the steel weren’t even there. Below decks, Howard Cullman, a young engineer’s mate from the central Shield, was tossed like a rag doll across the engine room, impacting on the other side with a wet splat. Another rating went down screaming, clutching at a large shred of metal that had suddenly appeared in his abdomen. The blast left a hole nearly a foot wide and several yards long in the compartment, and Superb started to crash back down to starboard even as the first shocked sailors started to recover.

Officers and senior enlisted men started an orderly retreat out the hatch, but it was clear they’d never get everyone out it time. A warrant officer who had been trapped by a falling beam called desperately for help as the water bubbled up above his ankles.

“Seal the door!” ordered Lieutenant Bowers, the senior engineer. He was holding a bloody kerchief to his head.

“Sir, there’s still a half dozen men in there, most of them wounded!” called back the Chief Petty Officer, who was trying to drag a screaming rating from the compartment.

“You heard me, chief! If we don’t contain the flooding, it’ll be the whole bloody ship! Get out of there and close the damn hatch, that’s an order!”

The chief hesitated one more second. With a snarl, Bowers leaped forward and threw his shoulder against the heavy steel. The water was already half way up his shin and pouring from the engineering compartment with increasing speed. Quickly, it was obvious there was no way the lieutenant would be able to close it one his own. One by one, the nearby sailors, even the chief, joined in. The hatch slammed at last with a metallic clang and was spun locked.

A couple of men waited outside while the rest rushed off to combat a fire somewhere forward. They were transfixed by the sound of bubbling water. After only about twenty seconds, they could hear the distinct sound of a fist slamming against the inside of the door and tinny, distant screams. Another minute, and there was nothing but silence.

Elsewhere, the fleet was faring equally poorly. King James, Gurney’s flagship, had taken a missile to one of the forward 12”/50 mounts, and only avoided a magazine explosion by flooding it, the cruelest of measures. The light cruiser Andromache had not been so lucky; two missile hits had started fires that soon raged out of control and cooked off her bank of 18” torpedoes. Six separate pyres marked the death place of freighters carrying

The Beddgelerns must count themselves lucky: for twelve missiles fired, they had sunk the Andromache and a half dozen merchant men, including their cargo of men from the Fourth Rifles, incapacitated Superb, and dealt King James a heavy blow. Glorious, Odysseus, and the destroyers had escaped by having the good fortune not to be on the side of the attack.

You see? Only about 500 extra words, but wasn’t it a much better read than just that little blurb about casualties at the end would have been? Naturally, I don’t ask anyone else to elaborate this much - though it would be nice - but I do ask they have respect for those of us who take nation states as an excuse to experiment with literary techniques.

On the other hand, I think the problem most people have is that they tend to get in wars both in character and out of character. Hell, Der Kriegsmarine* and I have been at war since early August. We keep interested because we don’t insult one another (at least, not out of character ;)), we consult each other on the most realistic course of action and damage reports, and we’re both not afraid to lose every now and then.

So right. I lost whatever track I may have been on. Carry on, all.

* I also consider Beth Gellert, or Beddgelert as he was back in those days, (the aggressor of that sample post) a friend ooc. It makes everything so much easier!

Ah, Salvador. That was a proper battle. Over in a couple of salvos yet its remembered by both sides half a (real-time) year or some later and still influences characters, and as such future actions.

I tend to prefer the smaller military actions. I get a bit lost when expected to marshal (marshall?) million man armies in the field. In the entire Beddgelen revolution that lead to the battle of Salvador something like two thousand combatants and six hundred (and nine) civilians were killed, according to my record books ;) Iansisle's command realised the disaster unfolding and turned the fleet around, but as I remember it they didn't just vanish into thin air in one line. The whole thing actually ended in character and without anybody falling out, didn't it?

Er, my point.. oh yes.. wars are too damn big! Even when Salvador started to balloon a little I seem to remember retreating into the supreme commander and focusing on his..lunacy. Most international conflicts don't end in millions of deaths, and nations certainly don't sustain powerhouse economies by deploying multi-divisional forces at the drop of a hat.

I would like to see consistantly good examples of large scale battles/wars being fought out. The conflict in Dra-pol was pretty good for that, manouvering armies about with some real purpose and cunning, but when BG tried to get a fleet in... well lets just say a nice round number of (countless dollars worth) of missiles came flying in from relative stealth ships deployed by a nation that had little else to do with the whole RP and I turned around and went home, ending that avenue of contribution.

Good Lord, I keep failing to wrap this up. Ah well, who needs closure? I need a drink is what I need..