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Today the Emperor has decreed for two new laws to be put on the books. These laws ensure the purity of the people of Belem and to prevent our great civilization from degrading into godless barbarians.


First Law:
Ban on Marriage between Belemians and Foreigners
In order to ensure the Racial Purity of all Belem Citizens marriages between Citizens and non citizens shall henceforth be banned. All previous marriages between the two shall be brought to an advisory review board made up of three Inquisitors a physician and a pschyatrist. After they are tested thorougly the board will rule whether the marriage can stay legally or state that it is no longer legal. If a marriage is found between a Human and a Non Human both will they and there cursed offspring will be put to death.

Second Law:
As of today the courts reserve the rights to decree any prisoner unfit to reproduce. These prisoners will be sterilzed before there release in order to make Belem safe for future generations, for filth breeds filth.

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"Obviously a racist policy, dictated by a person with no background in science... Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as 'race' - there is often more genetic variation within the population of a single 'race' than there is across racial boundaries. It's amazing how pigments in the skin and some other minor features can turn people into fanatics..." mumbled the Enlightened Despot of Exonerate, as he read the news.

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"Obviously a racist policy, dictated by a person with no background in science... Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as 'race' - there is often more genetic variation within the population of a single 'race' than there is across racial boundaries. It's amazing how pigments in the skin and some other minor features can turn people into fanatics..." mumbled the Enlightened Despot of Exonerate, as he read the news.

My belief is that we are different species. A very accurate theory.
OOC: If you can interbreed with something else, and produce fertile offspring, then you're part of the same species.

OOC: If you can interbreed with something else, and produce fertile offspring, then you're part of the same species.No. That means your genetic structures are compatable enough for breeding, not that you are the same species.

IC: This is extreme. Even for us.

-Overlord Oran

Nazi's!

OOC: If you can interbreed with something else, and produce fertile offspring, then you're part of the same species.No. That means your genetic structures are compatable enough for breeding, not that you are the same species.

IC: This is extreme. Even for us.

-Overlord Oran
That's what I was taught in Bio... The keyword there is fertile. Obviously, Tigers and Lions aren't the same species, but they can interbreed. However, their offspring is infertile. Same for mules.

Nazi's!

Belem is not a Nazi state, Nazis were a specific branch of Facism. If anything Belem government is more like Facist Italy then Nazi Germany.

Nazi's!

Though I suppose I would have made it a little more subtle, ditto.

Nazi's!Exactly. This is what Hitler would have done today, I think...

OOC: If you can interbreed with something else, and produce fertile offspring, then you're part of the same species.No. That means your genetic structures are compatable enough for breeding, not that you are the same species.

IC: This is extreme. Even for us.

-Overlord Oran
That's what I was taught in Bio... The keyword there is fertile. Obviously, Tigers and Lions aren't the same species, but they can interbreed. However, their offspring is infertile. Same for mules.

I believe different species of wolves can interbreed with fertile offspring.

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you don't have a leader thinking he is the next ceaser no?

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OOC: If you can interbreed with something else, and produce fertile offspring, then you're part of the same species.No. That means your genetic structures are compatable enough for breeding, not that you are the same species.

IC: This is extreme. Even for us.

-Overlord Oran
That's what I was taught in Bio... The keyword there is fertile. Obviously, Tigers and Lions aren't the same species, but they can interbreed. However, their offspring is infertile. Same for mules.

I believe different species of wolves can interbreed with fertile offspring.
Sub-species then, which IIRC, are often created because of physical, environmental, etc limitations. Family != species.

All humans are humans. All humans can interbreed with each other. Dogs are all one species, and are able to interbreed and produce fertile offspring, except for their physical limitations (Meaning A German Sheperd won't exactly be getting jiggy with it with a poodle)

Nazi's!

Belem is not a Nazi state, Nazis were a specific branch of Facism. If anything Belem government is more like Facist Italy then Nazi Germany.

Italia invented it in 1919! Germany and Italy were two different ideologies and two different forms of fascism.

OOC: Belem is based off Italian Facism mainly.

Italy was not as extreme as Germany. Italy didn't exactly have anythign against jews and by the way Italy is a mixed nation.

Italy was not as extreme as Germany. Italy didn't exactly have anythign against jews and by the way Italy is a mixed nation.
OOC: Of course, almost everything else pales in comparision to Nazi Germany...

Italy was closer to pure facism more then Germany actually.

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Wolfs and domestic dogs are different species of dog, but overall, are both in the dog family. It would be logical to think that we have other species of human, every other mammals do.
There /were/ different species of human, but they are now all extinct. Homo habilus, Homo erectus, Neanderthals (a subspecies, actually, since some think they could breed with Homo sapiens), etc. By definition, a species is a group of individuals who can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, and just believing otherwise isn't going to change that.

OOC: Mussolini wanted to bring back the good ol Roman days. I bet eventually he would wear purple robes and re-open the colloseum.

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OCC: Italy is unified but its made up of many differen't peoples. Northern italy is bound to have Austrians while Sicily has arabs among them.

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OOC: Italy isn't so diverse actually there are a few minorities in Certain parts i.e. in the alps they have a small area with germans and with french.
Mainly the non unification in Italy is Northerners hate the Southerners. The Southerners hate the Northerners, the only thing they agree on is they both hate the Sicilians and the Sicilians hate everyone.

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OCC: Im Roman mixed with Northern Italy. North thinnk that south are a bunch of simple farmers. North are more modernised. Sicily well thats differen't.

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OOC:
The nation of Belem is in S. America, right?

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OOC:
The nation of Belem is in S. America, right?

OOC: no Pacific. We have holdings in South America

OCC: Im Roman mixed with Northern Italy. North thinnk that south are a bunch of simple farmers. North are more modernised. Sicily well thats differen't.


OOC: Not all Southern Italians are farmers. Neopolitans are schemers(thats where my family is from) no one works because they are on disability or on strike and they all have a scheme to make money.

OCC: Northern Italians...But im also Southern.... Oh no im a mongrel :P.

OCC: Im Roman mixed with Northern Italy. North thinnk that south are a bunch of simple farmers. North are more modernised. Sicily well thats differen't.


OOC: Not all Southern Italians are farmers. Neopolitans are schemers(thats where my family is from) no one works because they are on disability or on strike and they all have a scheme to make money.

OCC: I love Italians... Such chaotic people.

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OCC: Italians were never good fighters too.....

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OOC: We beat France. Its just in the last wars we were never motivated. Oh we also beat the Holy Roman Empire when Barborossa tried to Invada Venice and Genoa.

OCC: Italians were never good fighters too.....

They had bad leadership. And don't forget, you're italian.

Napolean was Italian.

OCC: Italians were never good fighters too.....

They had bad leadership. And don't forget, you're italian.

OCC: Shit happens.... Oh well im still proud.

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OOC: We beat France. Its just in the last wars we were never motivated. Oh we also beat the Holy Roman Empire when Barborossa tried to Invada Venice and Genoa.

Germany was no allie to us, i would have declared neutral!
Before that we beat France when they tried to invade the Alps.

Actually if Italy stayed neutral it would of been a Regional power in Europe after the war since it would be the only country not to have all its industry destroyed.

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OCC: Italians were never good fighters too.....

They had bad leadership. And don't forget, you're italian.

Napolean was Italian.

I always thought he was french. How so?

Napolean was born in Corisca. Corisca was sold to France in the 18th century and Coriscans were Italian they were just ruled by France.

No offense but the French don't even want to fight until they have SS officers drinking Champagne in Paris :twisted:

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OOC:
www.albinoblacksheep.com

French Military Defeats Galore. Some humour on France. Sorry if you're offended.

- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."

Zvarinograd, I am sending that to my English Professor---Its funny to me how many people attempt to defend the French. I think I'll send a copy to my GrandMother-Outlaw just to piss her off, she likes the French, obviously her sense of smell has been degraded by the coke she sniffs:D

Today the Emperor has decreed for two new laws to be put on the books. These laws ensure the purity of the people of Belem and to prevent our great civilization from degrading into godless barbarians.


First Law:
Ban on Marriage between Belemians and Foreigners
In order to ensure the Racial Purity of all Belem Citizens marriages between Citizens and non citizens shall henceforth be banned. All previous marriages between the two shall be brought to an advisory review board made up of three Inquisitors a physician and a pschyatrist. After they are tested thorougly the board will rule whether the marriage can stay legally or state that it is no longer legal. If a marriage is found between a Human and a Non Human both will they and there cursed offspring will be put to death.

Second Law:
As of today the courts reserve the rights to decree any prisoner unfit to reproduce. These prisoners will be sterilzed before there release in order to make Belem safe for future generations, for filth breeds filth.

Believing in "racial purity" is heretical, Satanic, diabolical, beastial, sinful, damnable, prejudicial, immoral, and palin out wrong.

SYSKEYIA- FLUNKING RACIAL PURITY TESTS SINCE THE MIDDLE AGES AND PROUD OF IT!!!

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Today the Emperor has decreed for two new laws to be put on the books. These laws ensure the purity of the people of Belem and to prevent our great civilization from degrading into godless barbarians.


First Law:
Ban on Marriage between Belemians and Foreigners
In order to ensure the Racial Purity of all Belem Citizens marriages between Citizens and non citizens shall henceforth be banned. All previous marriages between the two shall be brought to an advisory review board made up of three Inquisitors a physician and a pschyatrist. After they are tested thorougly the board will rule whether the marriage can stay legally or state that it is no longer legal. If a marriage is found between a Human and a Non Human both will they and there cursed offspring will be put to death.

Second Law:
As of today the courts reserve the rights to decree any prisoner unfit to reproduce. These prisoners will be sterilzed before there release in order to make Belem safe for future generations, for filth breeds filth.

Believing in "racial purity" is heretical, Satanic, diabolical, beastial, sinful, damnable, prejudicial, immoral, and palin out wrong.

SYSKEYIA- FLUNKING RACIAL PURITY TESTS SINCE THE MIDDLE AGES AND PROUD OF IT!!!

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

And thats why Syskeyia is not a great empire.

And thats why Syskeyia is not a great empire.

No, we're not an empire because we CHOOSE not to be. Besides, in a 1-on-1 war, the Republic could wipe Belem out.

*Hits Belem on the head with Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 1935 (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c2a3.htm#1935)*
1935 The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:

Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God's design.


God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

And thats why Syskeyia is not a great empire.

No, we're not an empire because we CHOOSE not to be. Besides, in a 1-on-1 war, the Republic could wipe Belem out.


Only if we let you.

Only if we let you.

I just did some calculations, and:

Syskeyia
Population: 2.202 billion
Average tax rate: 50%
Defense budget: $8.3 trillion

Belem
Population 1.558 billion
Average tax rate: Unheard of
Estimated defense budget: $23 billion- $46.7 billion

Larger population, bigger budget- I'd say you'd "let" us win. :D

Oh, and you still haven't responded to the fact I pointed out that your eugenics laws are against Catholic doctrine.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

being made up from the private sector. I dont have exact figures on what the tax rate will be basically because I dont have enough information for the industries in the country and such and its extremely tedious making those figures(its actually tedious just trying to dechiper premade figures.) But the figures will probably be a little below the average tax rate in the U.S. Say about a 20% tax rate would be a resonable estimate give or take a few points.

So my GDP is approx 63 trillion
25% goes to the budget
Belem devotes half its Budget to the military which comes to just short of 8 trillion dollars.

So our budgets are basically the same with me spending about half of my mine and according to my calcs u spending about 40% of yours.

being made up from the private sector. I dont have exact figures on what the tax rate will be basically because I dont have enough information for the industries in the country and such and its extremely tedious making those figures(its actually tedious just trying to dechiper premade figures.) But the figures will probably be a little below the average tax rate in the U.S. Say about a 20% tax rate would be a resonable estimate give or take a few points.

So my GDP is approx 63 trillion
25% goes to the budget
Belem devotes half its Budget to the military which comes to just short of 8 trillion dollars.

So our budgets are basically the same with me spending about half of my mine and according to my calcs u spending about 40% of yours.

being made up from the private sector. I dont have exact figures on what the tax rate will be basically because I dont have enough information for the industries in the country and such and its extremely tedious making those figures(its actually tedious just trying to dechiper premade figures.) But the figures will probably be a little below the average tax rate in the U.S. Say about a 20% tax rate would be a resonable estimate give or take a few points.

So my GDP is approx 63 trillion
25% goes to the budget
Belem devotes half its Budget to the military which comes to just short of 8 trillion dollars.

So our budgets are basically the same with me spending about half of my mine and according to my calcs u spending about 40% of yours.

blah blah blah private sector blah blah blah taxes that NS doesn't recognize blah blah blah

Just look at your nation's official description:

The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem is a massive, devout nation, remarkable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 1.558 billion are ruled with an iron fist by the corrupt, dictatorship government, which oppresses anyone who isn't on the board of a Fortune 500 company. Large corporations tend to be above the law, and use their financial clout to gain ever-increasing government benefits at the expense of the poor and unemployed.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt, moralistic, pro-business government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Defence, Commerce, and Religion & Spirituality. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Gambling.

A National Academy regulates grammar and usage, cititzens who fail to follow the official national religion are executed*, sex offenders find themselves 'cut off' from any ability to repeat their crimes**, and punitive tariffs protect local industry. Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force. Belem's national animal is the wolf, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the dollar.



Belem is ranked 5th in the region and 112,005th in the world for Most Liberal Nations.

*Against Catholic doctrine (I think).
**Definitely against Catholic doctrine. See Dignitatis Humanae (http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html).

So you have little, if any taxes, while I've got a tax rate of 50% (oy).

My average income per capita is $50,000. Multiply that by my population, and you get my GDP, multiply that by make taxt rate, and you get my government's budget. Mulitply that by 15%, and you have my defense budget.

Therefore, I've got a bigger military than you. :P

But you still haven't discussed the morality of your "eugenics" program.

Admit it. Your "eugenics" program contradicts Catholic doctrine and you know it.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

the tax rate doesnt matter because its still 25% of the gdpf or the budget. 50% tax rate means ur citizens support the government more then corporations. If you had 50% of the GDP as a budget then you would have to spend a fortune on social services since your population wouldnt be able to afford to buy most things they need.
And the size of the military itself doesnt matter its based more on the equipment and tactics basically I have a rather small standing army compared to most people on NS who have 10 million infantry, I only have 2 million infantry but I can support a vast amount of armored support to the point I have 1 tank per squad.

the morality of the eugenics movement is for the first law 1. it is just regulation of the state of marriage the state is allowed to regulate marriage laws. 2. Non humans were not created in Gods image hence the rules dont apply to them.

the second law 2. Prisoners are a threat to society and mostly people who are arrested for crimes parents and relatives also commited crimes in the past this prevents the generational crime.

the tax rate doesnt matter because its still 25% of the gdpf or the budget. 50% tax rate means your citizens support the government more then corporations. If you had 50% of the GDP as a budget then you would have to spend a fortune on social services since your population wouldnt be able to afford to buy most things they need.
They have about $25,000 to buy the stuff they need. They can do that.

And the size of the military itself doesnt matter its based more on the equipment and tactics basically I have a rather small standing army compared to most people on NS who have 10 million infantry, I only have 2 million infantry but I can support a vast amount of armored support to the point I have 1 tank per squad.
200,000 tanks? Riiight... :roll:

the morality of the eugenics movement is for the first law 1. it is just regulation of the state of marriage the state is allowed to regulate marriage laws. 2. Non humans were not created in Gods image hence the rules dont apply to them.
1) But it's racial discrimination, which is wrong
2) They are made in God's image. You konw what that image is? The rational intellect, the soul. The ability to be rational, and not a slave to our instincts and desires. You know what the classical definition of a human is. A rational animal. What are these sapient non homo sapiens? Rational animals, created by God. So they are in God's image and thus the rule do apply to them.

the second law 2. Prisoners are a threat to society and mostly people who are arrested for crimes parents and relatives also commited crimes in the past this prevents the generational crime.

You are not supposed to sterilize people.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

the tax rate doesnt matter because its still 25% of the gdpf or the budget. 50% tax rate means your citizens support the government more then corporations. If you had 50% of the GDP as a budget then you would have to spend a fortune on social services since your population wouldnt be able to afford to buy most things they need.
They have about $25,000 to buy the stuff they need. They can do that.

And the size of the military itself doesnt matter its based more on the equipment and tactics basically I have a rather small standing army compared to most people on NS who have 10 million infantry, I only have 2 million infantry but I can support a vast amount of armored support to the point I have 1 tank per squad.
200,000 tanks? Riiight... :roll:

the morality of the eugenics movement is for the first law 1. it is just regulation of the state of marriage the state is allowed to regulate marriage laws. 2. Non humans were not created in Gods image hence the rules dont apply to them.
1) But it's racial discrimination, which is wrong
2) They are made in God's image. You konw what that image is? The rational intellect, the soul. The ability to be rational, and not a slave to our instincts and desires. You know what the classical definition of a human is. A rational animal. What are these sapient non homo sapiens? Rational animals, created by God. So they are in God's image and thus the rule do apply to them.

the second law 2. Prisoners are a threat to society and mostly people who are arrested for crimes parents and relatives also commited crimes in the past this prevents the generational crime.

You are not supposed to sterilize people.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Russia had 80 thousand tanks during the cold war the U.S. had 40k.

Still God created humans as his chosen people.